S14.E02: A Sobering Separation

[snarts]

42 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Sutton and Erika getting a long so well really is jarring .. I mean am i glad the fighting is done with them yes .. but it just is a bit weird they kiki so easy now lol

I think Sutton's much more comfortable now having a real ally/friend with Jennifer. Her interview comments about not trusting Kyle likely apply to Erika as well. In the vein of "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type deal.

I enjoyed learning more about Boz. As someone who's spent 25+ years as a women in a male dominated corporate world, her experiences resonated with me. 

Just me, or does Dorit really look stunning? The hair color is working for her. Plus, I LOVED her no fucks left for Kyle attitude. Speaking of, I also appreciated Sutton's completely patronizing look when Kyle was trying to blame Dorit for the rift.

May this actually be the Kyle takedown season I've been waiting years & years for?

[Baltimore Betty]

7 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Kyle kind of looks like Brooke Shields/Jennifer Connelly in the opening group photo.

I think in some shots Kyle looks good (hair and makeup done) but that shot of her talking to Sutton at her pj and pizza party she looked horrifying, she used to be a naturally pretty woman but yikes the slippery slope of cosmetic surgery is real.

[hottesthw]

1 minute ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I think in some shots Kyle looks good (hair and makeup done) but that shot of her talking to Sutton at her pj and pizza party she looked horrifying, she used to be a naturally pretty woman but yikes the slippery slope of cosmetic surgery is real.

She talks funny now too. Between the fake teeth, lip fillers and injections it’s like her mouth doesn’t fully open when she speaks now. 

[Baltimore Betty]

Just now, hottesthw said:

She talks funny now too. Between the fake teeth, lip fillers and injections it’s like her mouth doesn’t fully open when she speaks now. 

Ha Ha! Neither does Morgan's!

[Pi237]

Dorit and Kyle both love being the victim. Nothing is ever their fault. They can’t both go through tough divorces and share that pity spotlight.  
 

But I side with Dorit on this one. Kyle dumped her like a bad habit for Teddy and then Morgan. She just always expects Dorit to be there when she’s ready to be best buds again. Her saying they weren’t really close was so mean. How did she think she could come Back from that?  Dorit was Obviously joking after Kyle spilled her drink on her and Kyle knows it. But she’s lonely now and needs Dorit to be her sidekick again.  and Nothing can ever be professional victim Kyle’s fault.  Kyle’s doing the same friendship gaslighting that she used to criticize Vanderpump for. Keeping score and getting even for imagined, petty slights.  She fits right in with her sisters. 
 

Watching two marriages implode, Oy. Not fun, sorry. So tense and not entertaining. Dorit looks like a skeleton. She’s soooo thin. It’s jarring. PK’s trying to blame her for their separation. His words stung her, you could tell.  She needs to lawyer up, too. His demeanor totally changed from that teary dinner with Maurice vs this dinner with Dorit. He’s been talking to someone who’s helping him create a defensive narrative. Time to protect yourself, Dorit. 
 

Got to love these men who get all sad when their always available wives become mothers and start making their own money and have opinions and other demands on their time.  Now, all of a sudden, they’re not the girl you married.  Sounds like PK will be dating 20 year olds asap if he’s not already. 
 

Boz is a force. She can be a lot. We’ll see.  Guess we’re just erasing ‘the only one I care about is Me!’ Ericka & pretending she’s just been understanding, supportive friend Ericka? Convenient for her Brand. But I’ll never forget how cold she was about their victims. I gotta say though, she looks amazing. Money is magic. 
 

Hope the season isn’t all awkward, non conversations about possible divorces that no one wants to admit or give details about, just hints and knowing looks because Boring and Annoying.  Talk about it or not, but dont endlessly hint and film long talks where no one really says anything.  
 

[Baltimore Betty]

11 minutes ago, Pi237 said:

Boz is a force. She can be a lot. We’ll see.

What was that talk she was giving to a room full of people that obviously paid a fee to be in that room, it was giving me a Michael Scott "Some How I Manage," vibes.

[amarante]

13 hours ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Hehe there’s fine then there is having Sutton’s forensic accountants and lawyers fine :p 

I don't think Sutton is wrong at all in advising Kyle to get legal advice stat. That is something that people do even prior to a separation in order not to screw things up inadvertently.

Also there is some degree of weaponizing the really good divorce lawyers as someone will proactively see a lot of divorce attorneys and that effectively eliminates them from taking on your spouse.

However I do think that Kyle and Sutton have slightly different economic pots that need to be "divided"

Sutton was a classic stay at home mother and wasn't involved at all in her husband's business. I am not negating the value she played in his ascension in terms of enabling him to be a power player but it is different than Kyle's situation. 

Also as I recall Sutton discovered that her husband had his major assets which were only discovered through the forensic accountant. I remember a sports team she knew nothing about.

Kyle is an owner of The Agency. Also her many years of being a visible housewife and providing a lot of promotional stuff - not to mention employment of their daughter.

This is not to say that Mo would not fight to keep as much as possible but only that Kyle has a somewhat different position in terms of the marital assets. Also California is a community property state. I am not sure what divorce laws are in the state where Sutton divorced. 

[Keywestclubkid]

20 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

What was that talk she was giving to a room full of people that obviously paid a fee to be in that room, it was giving me a Michael Scott "Some How I Manage," vibes.

IF you are successful there is a LOT of money in public speaking on how you did what you did .. think of them as mini Ted Talks ... a lot of professionals make BANK that way after retirement

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Ha Ha! Neither does Morgan's!

Ice picks in my ears!  Morgan has THE WORST voice.  When speaking and singing.  Equally bad. She also looks nothing like she used to.

[sugarbaker design]

26 minutes ago, Baltimore Betty said:

What was that talk she was giving to a room full of people that obviously paid a fee to be in that room, it was giving me a Michael Scott "Some How I Manage," vibes.

 

5 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

IF you are successful there is a LOT of money in public speaking on how you did what you did .. think of them as mini Ted Talks ... a lot of professionals make BANK that way after retirement

From what was shown, all I heard were mushy platitudes.  How much did these women pay, just to hear you gotta know when to pivot?

[RealHousewife]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

I think Sutton's much more comfortable now having a real ally/friend with Jennifer. Her interview comments about not trusting Kyle likely apply to Erika as well. In the vein of "keep your friends close, your enemies closer" type deal.

I enjoyed learning more about Boz. As someone who's spent 25+ years as a women in a male dominated corporate world, her experiences resonated with me. 

Just me, or does Dorit really look stunning? The hair color is working for her. Plus, I LOVED her no fucks left for Kyle attitude. Speaking of, I also appreciated Sutton's completely patronizing look when Kyle was trying to blame Dorit for the rift.

May this actually be the Kyle takedown season I've been waiting years & years for?

I thought Dorit is more beautiful now than when she first joined the show. She pulls both blonde and brunette very well.

[Keywestclubkid]

4 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

 

From what was shown, all I heard were mushy platitudes.  How much did these women pay, just to hear you gotta know when to pivot?

did a quick google search and

 

A former CEO can earn a wide range for giving talks, typically between $5,000 to $25,000 per speaking engagement depending on their industry reputation, the size of the audience, and the event's prestige, with high-profile CEOs with significant name recognition potentially commanding fees well above that range

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Industry expertise:

CEOs with expertise in highly sought-after industries like tech or finance can charge more. 

Public recognition:

Well-known CEOs with a strong public image can attract larger audiences and higher fees. 

Speaking experience:

Experienced speakers with a polished presentation style can command higher rates. 

Event type:

Major conferences or high-profile events usually pay more than smaller, local gatherings. 

Some examples of how much ex-CEOs might earn:

Mid-level ex-CEOs: May charge around $5,000 - $10,000 per talk. 

High-profile, well-known ex-CEOs: Can earn $20,000 - $50,000 or more per speaking engagement. 

[ivygirl]

1 hour ago, snarts said:

May this actually be the Kyle takedown season I've been waiting years & years for?

In the words of Kelly Dodd: the days of Kyle being the puppet and eeeeeeeeeeveryone else being the master may be over, LOL

[ZettaK]

4 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

How much is PK worth today?

Paul Kemsley has an estimated net worth of $50 million in 2024. Paul Kemsley's net worth in 2024 includes earnings from his successful career as a sports executive, real estate developer, and celebrity manager. He is most famous for his appearance on The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.Jul 24, 2024                                                                                                   

I don't know how accurate this is but I was kind of shocked.                                                          

These "estimates" online are false. Their house is in foreclosure. I don't think he would want his kids not to have a comfortable, nice house, the one where they lived for many years. 

Edited November 27 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

7 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

By waking up to whatever was going on with PK, she also now sees through Kyle and is angry about the last decade of mistreatment. Kyle has gaslit her and manipulated her eight ways to Sunday. I’m so glad someone is calling Kyle out on it.
I also can’t understand why Kyle sounds so hurt and sad about the marriage that she singlehandedly flushed down the toilet. She asked for the separation, she’s the one who was running around with someone else on camera, and she’s the one who made it very clear that there probably won’t be a reconciliation. What did she expect this guy to do?
I am truly amazed how she has painted herself as a victim in a scenario she handcrafted from soup to nuts. LVP looks like more of a genius every day and I’m sure she’s glad to be rid of Kyle too!

Kyle dumped her husband, but she was hurt he was seen in Mykonos kissing a woman a whole year after the separation. The flirting with the DWTS woman was more "promotional" for that show than anything (it's common, the competing couples are supposed to act like this from what I read). He put the photo on his desk to most probably annoy Kyle, although it was obviously not a nice gesture. He was waiting to see if she changed her mind until this summer. She better stop playing the victim. 

Edited November 27 by ZettaK

[Slider]

Wait a minute - So Kyle can film her workouts and post on IG over and over again, but Mo posts a workout pic on IG and Kyle's bothered by that?!

[IntrovertRed]

2 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Boz is a force. She can be a lot. We’ll see.  Guess we’re just erasing ‘the only one I care about is Me!’ Ericka & pretending she’s just been understanding, supportive friend Ericka? Convenient for her Brand. But I’ll never forget how cold she was about their victims. I gotta say though, she looks amazing. Money is magic. 

I don't think Boz is anyone to mess with, she's tough, and I love it.

Both Sutton and Erika look amazing.  However, with Erika, you can tell she doesn't know what to do right now and who to back. She doesn't want to take Dorit's side because she doesn't want to get on Kyle's bad side, and especially in case Kyle and Dorit make up. I hope that doesn't happen though because I love Dorit standing up to Kyle!  I don't want to get my hopes up about someone finally taking Kyle down, and I would have never thought it would be Dorit either. Be strong Dorit, don't let Kyle gaslight you!

I do love seeing Erika and Sutton hang out. I don't like watching the ladies fighting. I hope the ladies also support Dorit with her separation like they are doing with Kyle.

In my experience having gone through a divorce and from friends who have as well, I've learned that men really do change during a divorce. They suddenly become a person who is cold, uncaring, and suddenly cheap because when it comes to money, they say "can't afford that". Watching the scene between PK and Dorit, ouch, that discussion and the tone was familiar and triggering for me. PK, it's not all Dorit's fault, don't blame her for everything that's happening.  

Kyle, listen to Sutton, get divorced now because it won't be easy, don't prolong the inevitable. Are we supposed to now feel sorry for her being alone, after watching her crap last year?  Show, don't try to manipulate me, she is terrible person and friend. 

Edited November 27 by IntrovertRed

[laurakaye]

I wonder just how heated PK and Dorit's arguments really got, since neither of them can speak a full sentence without the other one interrupting.

 

Edited November 27 by laurakaye

[ZettaK]

53 minutes ago, Slider said:

Wait a minute - So Kyle can film her workouts and post on IG over and over again, but Mo posts a workout pic on IG and Kyle's bothered by that?!

It seems he posts a lot of those photos, but she is annoyed he most probably does it to attract women. But he is single, isn't it? And not by his own choice.

Edited November 27 by ZettaK

[Mindthinkr]

I don’t think that white shimmery eyeshadow is Kyle’s friend. It showed off a few wrinkles by her eye. Something I would downplay, not pull attention to. 

That was kind of Kathy, Erica and Sutton to go over to try and lift Kyle’s spirits. Unfortunately Kyle doesn’t seem to be listening to what they are telling her about being proactive in her divorce. God forbid she lose another chance to be the victim. 

 

[TattleTeeny]

17 hours ago, Marley said:

Kyle is such a gaslighter at the beginning with Dorit.

OH MY GOD! I cannot describe how much I cannot stand the "Are you OK? You seem off" tactic. I have dealt with it and it is just so wrong (and also, nice try; it won't work). The irony is, in my experience, the person who says this is usually the one who seems "off," as this attitude (for lack of a better word) often comes out of nowhere and may not the person's "default." 

Edited November 27 by TattleTeeny

[Keywestclubkid]

I mean thanks for showing the whole world how easy it is to get access to Kyle’s house .. just ring the bell and say delivery from Amazon .. like what the hell was that 

[Marley]

23 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

I mean thanks for showing the whole world how easy it is to get access to Kyle’s house .. just ring the bell and say delivery from Amazon .. like what the hell was that 

Pretty sure it was a fake scene lol. There is no way she doesn’t have cameras. I am a peasant & have cameras lol.

[sugarbaker design]

8 minutes ago, Marley said:

Pretty sure it was a fake scene lol. There is no way she doesn’t have cameras. I am a peasant & have cameras lol.

Besides the camera crew and producers right behind her and Portia.  I'm sure Kyle was terrified.  😉

[Keywestclubkid]

15 minutes ago, Marley said:

Pretty sure it was a fake scene lol. There is no way she doesn’t have cameras. I am a peasant & have cameras lol.

 

6 minutes ago, sugarbaker design said:

Besides the camera crew and producers right behind her and Portia.  I'm sure Kyle was terrified.  😉

Gasp you guys mean this isn’t real life? Hehe but seriously 

 

I hate this manufactured crap .. and this scene was classic that .. this isn’t how they really are .. this is exactly why these shows are dying cause everything is manufactured.. thought out and staged and pre planned … it’s become not even entertaining anymore because of that … 

Edited November 27 by Keywestclubkid

[njbchlover]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

Kyle seems to forget she spilled a drink on Dorit prior to Dorit making the joke about how Kyle is her least favorite sister, as in you spilled on my couture! Kyle has no sense of humor.

And, because of that, Dorit probably had to actually purchase whatever outfit she was wearing, instead of either renting it or having it out on loan....no wonder Kyle wasn't Dorit's favorite in that moment!!  

[njbchlover]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I think in some shots Kyle looks good (hair and makeup done) but that shot of her talking to Sutton at her pj and pizza party she looked horrifying, she used to be a naturally pretty woman but yikes the slippery slope of cosmetic surgery is real.

 

5 hours ago, hottesthw said:

She talks funny now too. Between the fake teeth, lip fillers and injections it’s like her mouth doesn’t fully open when she speaks now. 

Kyle's face does look different, but Kathy looks worse!!! I don't know what she did, but it's not good.  She looks like she's wearing one of those semi-translucent, creepy plastic masks, and her mouth moves less than Kyle's when she's speaking!  

[Marley]

45 minutes ago, Keywestclubkid said:

 

Gasp you guys mean this isn’t real life? Hehe but seriously 

 

I hate this manufactured crap .. and this scene was classic that .. this isn’t how they really are .. this is exactly why these shows are dying cause everything is manufactured.. thought out and staged and pre planned … it’s become not even entertaining anymore because of that … 

I totally agree. I had to FF some of that scene because it was so stupid.

[Baltimore Betty]

5 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

 

From what was shown, all I heard were mushy platitudes.  How much did these women pay, just to hear you gotta know when to pivot?

All I could think of with her pivot speak was Ross (of Friends) trying to move a sofa up stairs and he kept screaming "PIVOT!"

I am sure Boz has a lot of good information to put out there, I hope we get to see her in her element in some capacity, maybe a charity event or more of her speaking to a group. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Kyle was pretty aggressive, when she spilled Dorit’s shot glass at BravoCon. And we also saw how rough she was with Sutton, at Garcelle’s birthday party, when Diana was harassing Sutton. 

[nicole21290]

4 hours ago, Slider said:

Wait a minute - So Kyle can film her workouts and post on IG over and over again, but Mo posts a workout pic on IG and Kyle's bothered by that?!

I've seen quite a few people misinterpret this. Kyle was bothered by Kathy making fun of Mauricio, not of him posting the photos. 

[princelina]

6 hours ago, Slider said:

Wait a minute - So Kyle can film her workouts and post on IG over and over again, but Mo posts a workout pic on IG and Kyle's bothered by that?!

 

2 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

I've seen quite a few people misinterpret this. Kyle was bothered by Kathy making fun of Mauricio, not of him posting the photos. 

I thought maybe she was bothered by his Jack Tripper shorts! 😂

[Keywestclubkid]

Rewatching and Kathy rings the doorbell  and cut to them walking to the front door asking “did someone just knock on the door?” “Is someone knocking on the door?” 
 

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

WWCL: These Hills have eyes… and they’re all rolling them.

[Mar]

This comment from Kyle about Dorit made me burst out laughing:

“She seemed to be completely oblivious to anyone else’s feelings but her own.”

Kyle, do you have any self-awareness at all?

[ZettaK]

4 hours ago, nicole21290 said:

I've seen quite a few people misinterpret this. Kyle was bothered by Kathy making fun of Mauricio, not of him posting the photos. 

Poor Kathy. She hates Mauricio. When Mauricio's company was becoming more and more successful after he left her husband's real estate company, and he was even offered a reality show on Netflix, her husband's business partner at Hilton and Hyland Jeff Hyland died of cancer (at the time the infamous incident with Kathy at Aspen happened), and his widow Lori forced Rick Hilton to sell his portion of the business (bought him out) a few months after, and took over. She is still the head of the company according to the company website. Rick Hilton had to start all over with his kids who all worked at the luxury realty (his son, and daughter in law- even Nicki worked with her father before she married). Also, Rick's father and grandfather disinherited all the children and grandchildren (well, almost, they left minimal amounts to them) early on, and left almost everything to charity. 

Edited November 28 by ZettaK

[Mar]

Has hell frozen over? I actually felt a shred of liking Erika 😵‍💫

Edited November 28 by Mar
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[RealHousewife]

1 minute ago, Mar said:

How does hell frozen over? I actually felt a shred of liking Erika 😵‍💫

[princelina]

1 hour ago, ZettaK said:

Poor Kathy. She hates Mauricio. 

Haha that's why I'll always like him! 😈

[ChristmasJones]

I assume when someone pays alimony/spousal support, it is only a portion of their income. What kind of career does someone have where $4.2 million per year is a portion of their income?  

Edited November 28 by ChristmasJones

[hoodooznoodooz]

What is the point of edible gold dust?

[Slakkie]

18 hours ago, amarante said:

I don't think Sutton is wrong at all in advising Kyle to get legal advice stat. That is something that people do even prior to a separation in order not to screw things up inadvertently.

Also there is some degree of weaponizing the really good divorce lawyers as someone will proactively see a lot of divorce attorneys and that effectively eliminates them from taking on your spouse.

However I do think that Kyle and Sutton have slightly different economic pots that need to be "divided"

Sutton was a classic stay at home mother and wasn't involved at all in her husband's business. I am not negating the value she played in his ascension in terms of enabling him to be a power player but it is different than Kyle's situation. 

Also as I recall Sutton discovered that her husband had his major assets which were only discovered through the forensic accountant. I remember a sports team she knew nothing about.

Kyle is an owner of The Agency. Also her many years of being a visible housewife and providing a lot of promotional stuff - not to mention employment of their daughter.

This is not to say that Mo would not fight to keep as much as possible but only that Kyle has a somewhat different position in terms of the marital assets. Also California is a community property state. I am not sure what divorce laws are in the state where Sutton divorced. 

It's all fun and games until a new "honey" jumps in and then Kyle will be screwed.  He can start hiding assets NOW.  She should listen to Sutton.  But in three years we will get the "I trusted him" speech.

Mo may seem all nice but money is money

[ladle1]

I have never thought Dorit was in on the home invasion. The key reason is that, for all of the negative things we can say about Dorit (which are myriad) she has always struck me as a loving mom, and I don't think she'd ever put her kids in the middle of something like that. 

However, given recent developments, the idea that P.K. maybe planned it without her knowledge is tantalizing and horrific.

[ladle1]

On 11/26/2024 at 8:34 PM, Straycat80 said:

I’m probably the only one who wishes Kyle and Dorito would make up, they are both going through the same thing, their marriages collapsing.

I hope they make up also, but only so we don't have to see this play out for an entire season.

 

On 11/26/2024 at 8:29 PM, Keywestclubkid said:

Girl you are saying this man is STILL an alcoholic.. the father of your children you are dragging on a reality show .. I don’t think you can recover from that completely ever .. even If you “reconnect” 

To be fair to Dorit (and I can't believe I just started a sentence that way because, ugh, Dorit!), PK is also saying he's an alcoholic. He called it "this disease" in this episode, and he has stopped drinking because of it. So, it's not like some deep, dark secret or an assessment he would disagree with. I am not an expert on this, but I believe that alcoholics are still considered alcoholics even when they have stopped drinking.

[ladle1]

On 11/26/2024 at 9:18 PM, Baltimore Betty said:

Did PK say that it was he who was the international scammer entrepreneur but now it is Dorit who is the mover and shaker...in what???

I feel like there has to be an inverse correlation between people who refer to themselves as "international entrepreneurs" and people who are truly international entrepreneurs. 

And, no, PK, it's not true that in any "healthy marriage," the spouses put each other above their kids. Yikes. 

[ladle1]

So I asked my husband, who's a lawyer, about whether Mauricio's book could be a piece of evidence in a divorce proceeding, and he said it absolutely could be, and that it's "not dispositive" but that it would be "a bad piece of evidence for the defense." 

So, I think Sutton's wrong about that, but I also see her point that Kyle should be more proactive here. 

On 11/26/2024 at 10:16 PM, Marley said:

Single PK is ew lol.

So, no different from married PK then?

On 11/27/2024 at 12:10 AM, dmeets said:

To be fair, Married PK was ew as well.

Oops, just saw this! Well... seconded. :) 

[ladle1]

On 11/27/2024 at 2:28 AM, ZettaK said:

She was trying to decide if she had feelings for another woman, and she dumped her husband because of it.

I don't think we know that this is true. 

[ladle1]

23 hours ago, thesupremediva1 said:

I also can’t understand why Kyle sounds so hurt and sad about the marriage that she singlehandedly flushed down the toilet. She asked for the separation, she’s the one who was running around with someone else on camera, and she’s the one who made it very clear that there probably won’t be a reconciliation. What did she expect this guy to do?

Again, is this true? I feel like I've missed something! Given the timeline on the show, it seemed like their marriage was in trouble long before Kyle started gallivanting with Morgan. There was speculation about Mau cheating for years, and Kyle alludes to some big thing that Mau did that made her lose her trust in him, which was the dealbreaker. I thought this was all before Morgan entered the picture.

Look, I don't like Kyle most of the time. I think she's a major gaslighter and a professional victim, and when she took Brandi's crutches she showed us all who she was. That said, I think that regardless of the circumstances, it's totally normal to mourn the end of a decades-long marriage, where you've raised children together (one of whom is still a minor). 

[ladle1]

15 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

All I could think of with her pivot speak was Ross (of Friends) trying to move a sofa up stairs and he kept screaming "PIVOT!"

Omg, in my family, we say that whenever we have to move furniture! Kyle missed an opportunity for a reference when she and Portia were nonsensically moving that indoor chair outside. 

[Pi237]

9 minutes ago, ladle1 said:

Again, is this true? I feel like I've missed something! Given the timeline on the show, it seemed like their marriage was in trouble long before Kyle started gallivanting with Morgan. There was speculation about Mau cheating for years, and Kyle alludes to some big thing that Mau did that made her lose her trust in him, which was the dealbreaker. 

Darn Bitcoin again! (RHNY) 

Seriously, though, the Betrayal that can’t be forgiven had to be one of the two biggies-infidelity or money.  They don’t owe us the agonizing details, but it’s really annoying to watch a show where it’s all hints and talking in circles. Just don’t bring it up or Be Honest. The in between stuff makes for a boring and frustrating season because no one knows how to act or what can be talked about.