S18.E15: Double Decker Drama

[la patineuse]

12 hours ago, Mr. Miner said:

And they were both buddy, buddy with insufferable Alexis. Tamrat lost every poll on WWHL by almost 100%.

Ha! I can't stand Andy Cohen, so I don't watch this show, but it might be worth watching to see this. Too bad Tamrat wasn't on to see how much viewers think how shady she is.

Edited October 19 by la patineuse

[Chatty Cake]

53 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Let's see what he, and the rest of the kids will think of her regarding Ryan's "problems". As for Sophia, she seems to have a good relationship with her mother (they are even on confessionals together, she was on Watch What Happens Live), and she still lives at home while she is attending college. 

She probably wants her college and living expenses covered. 

[snarts]

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Caught in what?

Caught investigating Jenn's boyfriend, someone she calls her friend and says she loves. Yet, she's digging into his background for dirt to use against her. 

If Ryan had illegal earnings or ill gotten gains, the government would've seized his assets/accounts and charged him. Instead, he was given immunity and is a cooperating witness. Glad you edited your post lest you be sued as well.

Nothing Ryan (or Jenn, or Shannon) did or didn't do makes Tamrat a better person. Constantly looking for ammunition to tear everyone around her down is Tamra's MO. It's as old and tired as she looks.

[Palimelon]

I try to watch WWHL, but if anything, it comes off as a low-rent version of The Graham Norton Show. One could say the same about the hosts as well.

[Dr Mama]

9 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

I am not sure that is really true, there has to be a cap on what can be written off, about twenty years ago I worked for a caterer in the sales department, I was required to wear a white shirt and black suit, it was our uniform, they did not furnish us with that outfit, we had to buy it on our own so when tax time came around the CPA told me it was "personal choice" to buy what I bought to wear to work since the company did not offer a uniform for purchase, I really hated that CPA btw.

 

Former tax preparer here--your CPA was correct. You can deduct a uniform (or clothing for work) if it's required AND can't be worn anywhere else. The two tests are:

1. You Are Required to Wear It

2. It's Not Suitable for Everyday Wear

The dress would fail on both those counts. One example I remember was something like steel-toed boots in certain industries where it is a safety requirement and not something you would wear elsewhere. Scrubs for a nurse would probably also qualify. Things like that.

Edited October 18 by Dr Mama

[RealHousewife]

3 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

Flashback to season 3 when Tamra, Tammy Knickerbocker, and Quinn had a botox social setting at a plastic surgeons office.  Dr told Tamra due to her sun exposure, she had a lot sun damaged skin that would need work and would age her down the line.   Contrast that with Quinn..who was in her 50s and looked closer to 40 then mid 50s.

Jenn has some faults like lousy taste in men and spending money she doesn't have.  Also, wasn't she the one to leave her husband because she wanted excitement with Ryan?  Why should she be rewarded for being selfish?

That said, she is no Gretchen or Alexis.  She pushes back and I think Tamra is thrown by that.

Yeah, I think the fan favorites are favorites not because they're perfect, but because they show some decency. I wouldn't drop a friend because she had bad taste in men and was irresponsible with money. Those would only be friendship dealbreakers for me in extreme circumstances, like the guy was a monster and horrible to her friends or she pulled a Carrie Bradshaw and expected her friends to rescue her out of her financial mess. 

I would on the other hand drop a friend who was a mean girl or a bully. 

10 hours ago, Chalby said:

I'm surprised Tamra can call out her castmates on their words or behaviors, especially when it could easily boomerang right back at her. She's called out Jenn for spending money when she's not working, for being with Ryan, and for Ryan having a secretive or illegal job.

But why aren't they, or at least one of them, asking Tamra and Heather, etc the same questions in return?

I'd be asking:

Does Eddie have a job? Does his heart allow him to work still? Does Tamra have a real job? Does she actually make any $ on her podcast? What does Heather do on a daily basis? Is Gina starting to sell enough houses to pay her bills? Does Shannon still have side ventures, or are they dissolved? How can Emily fault what Jenn is spending, when she doesn't work herself.

Frankly, I like most of these women, but when Tamra was warning Heather et el, that Jenn is so oblivious, she will be left in the lurch if Ryan were to abandon her.

I couldn't help but think if we turned the mirror around, every one of them would be devastated if their present partner left, much like Gina & Shannon were in freefall with their divorces. And they obsess about Jenn's $6000 a month support, yet Shannon and Gina were also receiving support, at one time.

Those comments don't make anyone a caring or compassionate friend.

Lol, can you tell how frustrated I am with the hypocrisy?🤬😤

Oh gosh, I've noticed this stuff on various Bravo shows. Joanna Krupa shamed her friend Lisa on RHOM over and over again for not working. Lisa used to work but hadn't since marrying her extremely wealthy husband. What's it to Joanna? Was Lisa taking advantage of some poor guy? It's possible Joanna did have a stronger work ethic, but as much as she boasted about busting her ass, she made bank being pretty and taking off her clothes. Make that money girl, but give a freaking break. You would have thought she had a career like Dr. Nicole or built a business from the ground up. 

I'm a single childfree girl with a career, but I find the shaming of actual housewives on a Housewives franchise to be ironic. Jenn is probably the closest to being a Housewife on the show. 

Then there is the shaming of being careful with your money and assets too! Lala Kent was fixated on Ariana not moving out of her house with Tom, and she said that she immediately left Randall. But that wasn't a house she had financial stakes in! Not remotely the same thing, and Lala was bankrolled by her mother prior to Randall. There are exceptions like Erika Girardi, whose lifestyle was supported off stealing from orphans and widows. Dorit's finances also sound sketchy and Camille brought them up because I think the Kemsleys owe a friend of hers, but for the most part, worry about your own finances imo. 

Edited October 18 by RealHousewife

[Cosmocrush]

Noticing Jenn's D&G dress in Barneys (or wherever store it was)  and not only checking the price tag but texting the info to Tamra was right on brand for Heather.  How dare Jenn shop in the same store as Heather!  Fuck off Snobby McSnob.  And  why is she counting Jenn's money now?  I know it's not because she's "concerned" about her.

The most laughable part for me was Tamra trying to be Heather and question how Gina would even know the French fashion  brand Anne Fontaine.  I had the same thought about Tamra, who I always picture living in  a trailer. 

Heather and Tamra are quite the team of bullies. 

Edited October 19 by Cosmocrush

[Atwood]

16 hours ago, snarts said:

If Ryan had illegal earnings or ill gotten gains, the government would've seized his assets/accounts and charged him. Instead, he was given immunity and is a cooperating witness. Glad you edited your post lest you be sued as well.

Curious what you think he is given immunity for? If he wasn't involved in anything illegal he wouldn't need it. I know Tamra is obnoxious, but that doesn't mean Ryan isn't being shady. At the very least he appears to have been involved in money laundering. And if he brought Jenn along on trips where he was helping launder money, that's a black mark on both of them. 

[RedInk]

20 hours ago, ZettaK said:

Having money issues doesn't make you a bad person, but having money issues because you are (proven to be) immature and irresponsible at 47 with five kids, and depend on a guy with "problems", and no legitimate job kind of does make you a bad person. 

I don’t know if it makes her a bad person necessarily, but it’s definitely not admirable. I’ll be charitable and say I think it’s hard for some of Jen’s kinder coworkers to want to root for her and then anxiously watch her make one bad, materially-driven decision after another. For others, Jen just holds up a mirror and makes them worry about their own insecure footing. Regardless of their education and ability to earn money, only Gina and Tamra (sorry to have to throw her a compliment) fund their lifestyles. The others are wholly dependent on their husbands, family money, alimony, etc., to live the way they do. Jen just wants what they have but has chosen poorly. If that’s pathetic (it is), then they are a little bit too. Cautionary tales make people uncomfortable, and the loser in the story is ostracized as a result. 

Edited October 19 by RedInk

[Stats Queen]

Heather thinks she is smarter than the rest of the women, but her backing up and aiding and abetting Tamra belies that.

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/17/2024 at 9:31 PM, 65mickey said:

Tamara in the scene near the end when she was having her hair done looked old. It looks like her hair is thinning. I don't know what is happening with her but she is not aging well and she is not that old. She is only 57 but looks so much older. 

It was one of the few times I've seen Tamra looking her age. I don't know if it was the lighting or the lack of makeup, but she didn't look that great. 

Kudos to Jenn for unloading on Tamra. It was satisfying to watch! The one thing I wished she had said though was something like "I saw your actual words in the text, and you said you were asking someone to do a background check." Because Tamra was trying to spin it as something else. That was the angriest I've seen Jenn. I hope she has finally realized that Tamra is no friend. She will keep apologizing and then repeating the same bad behavior. That is who she is. Jenn should stay away from her. 

Heather is coming across manipulative and narcissistic to me, which it probably redundant. 

Edited October 19 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:14 PM, bravofan27 said:

Tamra just continues to talk shit about Shannon. Now she is judging women's purchases. She absolutely hates Jenn and Shannon. With a passion.

 

I'm still not understanding Tamra's hostility towards Shannon. What happened to the Three Amigas? She, Shanon and Vicki were buds. 

On 10/17/2024 at 10:59 PM, bravofan27 said:

Her "symptom" that she quoted to Teddi in the podcast was that she lacked empathy. That's called a PSYCHOPATH. I guess it sounds better to say autistic than a psychopath, although that is really what Tamra's description fits, IMO.

Even if she's not at psychopath level, lacking empathy is one of the signs of a personality disorder, such as Narcissistic Personality Disorder. 

From internet source: 

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding.

Edited October 19 by Sweet-tea

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/18/2024 at 1:35 AM, dancingdreamer said:

Heather  is usually  Heathering,  but she's not usually  as mean with it,  but being  with Tamra  is rubbing  off on her.

Interesting because we heard earlier in the show that it was also rubbing off on Emily. 

[Sweet-tea]

On 10/18/2024 at 1:45 AM, ZettaK said:

One can age (and look it) very fast just after menopause. The older women (Tamra, Heather, Shannon) look well, older suddenly within a few years. It's normal, but they are on tv, so it became more obvious to us (we saw all three without makeup, or minimal makeup). Tamra looks like somebody who was out in the sun for many years without sunscreen. 

They've all had so much work done, including facelifts for some of them, that it's hard to tell how well they are "naturally" aging. 

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Tamra says that because she is autistic that's why she lacks empathy (at least it's good that she is admitting that she lacks empathy), and it's also why she drinks so much--> because of paralyzing social anxiety (her answer to her drinking problem). 

I don't care what Tamra says. I don't believe she is autistic. I think she is a toxic narcissist. They are also great liars. 

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Caught in what? The "investigation" was asking a realtor friend if Ryan had a mortgage broker license (he doesn’t) two years ago. It was a nice deflection maneuver by Shannon. 

That's what Tamra said when she was cornered, but she's a known liar. Tamra's actual text that was shown said she was asking a friend to do a "background check" which is why Jenn called her out. Tamra was rewriting history and deflecting as usual. 

Edited October 19 by Sweet-tea

[LibertarianSlut]

10 hours ago, RedInk said:

I don’t know if it makes her a bad person necessarily, but it’s definitely not admirable

I think it’s kinda admirable, or at least I am in awe of Jen for being dead broke and accepting gifts and still living well off other people’s largesse.  She is a really hot woman.  If someone wants to throw money at her, get that dress baby!  

She and Katie are the only ones who could wear that dress well…which ignites such an acute desire for me to see Emily in it!   😂 

[maggiemae]

Tamara says she is on the spectrum of autism. Suddenly. What timing.

What crap.

And who say those on the spectrum do not have empathy.

 

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 20 by maggiemae

[Cosmocrush]

1 hour ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Shannon should feel embarrassed because she rents?

I don't think she's embarrassed.  But there is a big difference between renting a house and owning a house.

In many RH franchise there are disparities of wealth.  I've stopped watching all but this one and Beverly Hills but BH has some pretty big ones.  And yet they are all over-privileged, self absorbed, ridiculous women.  If we are lucky they are entertaining as well.  

Oh, and p.s.  the Vickster is the only one of the RHOOC who made her own money from the start.   Gina, Emily, Shannon, Katie, and Heather all married into money.   I didn't count Tamra because I don't remember her divorce settlement from Simon but they lived in a regular house and he was a luxury car  dealer or maybe a car salesman. 

[Palimelon]

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In many RH franchise there are disparities of wealth.  I've stopped watching all but this one and Beverly Hills but BH has some pretty big ones.

Kind of? I mean yeah, you had women on the lower end like Brandi and Kim R, and women who were still well off like Garcelle, Eileen, and Lisa R but who still weren't quite on the Yolanda, LVP, Kyle, Camille, Krystal, etc level of wealth. But overall, they're probably the most affluent group of HWs, and even the mid-level women I mentioned would be on the upper end of shows like RHOC, RHOA, RHONJ, etc.

I'd say RHONY pre-reboot was probably the second wealthiest overall (not following the reboot so no idea about those women), and RHOD maybe came in third.

Edited October 20 by Palimelon

[CasseroleQueen]

On 10/18/2024 at 1:42 PM, ZettaK said:

Caught in what? The "investigation" was asking a realtor friend if Ryan had a mortgage broker license (he doesn’t) two years ago. It was a nice deflection maneuver by Shannon. 

Do you really trust what Tamra says? I would like to see the unblurred text

Edited October 20 by CasseroleQueen

[CasseroleQueen]

12 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

I think it’s kinda admirable, or at least I am in awe of Jen for being dead broke and accepting gifts and still living well off other people’s largesse.  She is a really hot woman.  If someone wants to throw money at her, get that dress baby!  

The way you put it sounds like she's prostituting herself.

[CasseroleQueen]

8 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

BaltimoreBetty is being slightly elitist here, IMO.  Some of us rent.  Doesn’t make us better or worse.  If I had been married and divorced—like Gina, and like some people I know vaguely—I would be sure to know whether I was marrying a judge or a lawyer, as they are not the same thing. I

She was pointing out Shannon's elitist attitude about the size of Gina's house.

Who's confused about being married to a lawyer or judge? Are we watching the same show? 

[Baltimore Betty]

8 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

Sure, Cosmocrush, you make sense here.  There is so much less to worry about when you lease versus the purchasing of a condo.  But you have no equity, I get it.  But with the money we save on repairs, we may be able to invest for a big nest egg down the line. Who knows?  

⬆️ @BaltimoreBetty is being slightly elitist here, IMO.  Some of us rent.  Doesn’t make us better or worse.  If I had been married and divorced—like Gina, and like some people I know vaguely—I would be sure to know whether I was marrying a judge or a lawyer, as they are not the same thing. I would be sure to use semi-colons instead of commas, unlike “Gina”.  I wouldn’t be so smug and satisfied with myself for being middle aged (I consider Gina middle aged, but I am also talking about people in the their fifties).  I wouldn’t criticize someone for having a bench at the foot of their bed in the absence of a head board.  

I’m not as petty as…”Gina”.  I think when people act like that and make passive aggressive remarks, they don’t know exactly who they’re tussling with, and they should be careful.  Maybe Emily has a few nuggets of info on Gina, or even local people who live in the mid-Atlantic states, where Gina is from, people know a lot more about each other than one might think.  If Gina was from Baltimore, I’d have a good bit of inside info on her.  I known a lot about posters from Baltimore here…people talk.  🤫 

I see someone got a little too satisfied, got a little too big for her britches, and I am clearly talking about “Jen” here, and next time I see an article about JENN, or a post, I am going to be on her like white on rice.  I do not like a mean girl attitude, and you best believe and put your money on the idea that I am not done with…Jen.  Or whomever else decides to act like a beast. 

On an unrelated note, I’m heating over to Baltimore this weekend, so I might not be able to post.  I am recognizing the high holy days, but I am actually clear as to whether my second husband is a lawyer or a judge.  I don’t vacillate.  Like a busybody twerp who has no life other than to gossip and add bon mots without being entertaining in the slightest.  Like…Katie.  😉 

 

 

I am not sure why you are attacking me for living my life and paralleling my life experiences to what is going on with a HW in whatever situation, we all do, it gives us a connection to the women we only see on TV. I have never posted anything mean about you or talked down to you so not sure what is going on here, why am I in your cross hairs?

 

36 minutes ago, CasseroleQueen said:

Who's confused about being married to a lawyer or judge? Are we watching the same show? 

I was married to a lawyer who then became a judge, he was difficult to live with no matter which hat he was wearing.

[Back Atcha]

On 10/18/2024 at 12:43 PM, la patineuse said:

Ha! I can't stand Andy Cohen, so I don't watch this show,

I agree.  His neediness has always been a turnoff.  I guess that's an incurable complex.  I check to see who the guests will be and then try to watch--which I'm doing less and less.

[Palimelon]

If anyone is a bigger famewhore than the HWs, it's Andy.

Edited October 20 by Palimelon

[Chalby]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:20 AM, snarts said:

I found it rich that Emily criticized Jenn for buying the dress and commented on Ryan's employment status when neither she or Shane work (despite both having professional degrees) and live off his parents money.

I'm  so glad you wrote this because the whole time Shane was studying for the bar, I was curious if Emily's "party planner" side job actually earned her enough $$ to live on?

But definitely, his parents are wealthy enough to carry Shane & Emily's expenses.

[Chalby]

On 10/18/2024 at 10:52 AM, JAYJAY1979 said:

Jenn has some faults like lousy taste in men and spending money she doesn't have. 

Also, wasn't she the one to leave her husband because she wanted excitement with Ryan? 

Why should she be rewarded for being selfish?

I'm curious how you arrived at 'lousy taste in men' and 'spending money she doesn't have' with regards to Jenn?

Or is this still the fallout of breaking that lease? Obviously, her ex shouldn't be on the hook for her living upgrade, but that's over now.

And Jenn's proven she's a loving mom because since she & Ryan decided to cohabitate, she listens and supports her kids, especially her son and where he wants to live.  

Yet you want Jenn 'punished' for coming clean to her husband, and leaving him? Yet you pointed out he's no good. What should she have done?

[Chalby]

13 hours ago, LibertarianSlut said:

is being slightly elitist here, IMO.  Some of us rent.  Doesn’t make us better or worse.  If I had been married and divorced—like Gina

I understood why it's important that we hear that Shannon rents. I remember after Gina left, and she and Matt took turns staying with kids.

This forced Gina into renting a coach house/ (cassida or whatever they were calling/mocking it.)

"Renting" has always implied 'no money' to these gals, so I laughed when Shannon when radio silent because she's renting.

[bravofan27]

Tamra is struggling without Vicki on the show. Vicki was the only person so far that Tamra has really seemed to enjoy being with and she's able to have fun with Vicki-- she and Vicki would run away and have their own party all the time on these vacations. Without Vicki, Tamra is stuck having to hang out with all these people she despises. 

[goofygirl]

On 10/17/2024 at 10:59 PM, bravofan27 said:

Heather seems to LOVE having Tamra all to herself and Shannon on the outs. I think last season, when Taylor was a friend, Shannon was all butt hurt because Tamra and Shannon were friends again and she felt left out on their little ranch trip. Heather gave her speech about how people that work on farms and farm work made her appreciate all the people that give her her beautiful life, which, unsurprisingly, triggered Tamra who was out to get her and made every effort to dog Heather at every chance she had. 

Now she has some sort of pact with Alexis and John and is about getting Shannon kicked off the show and Alexis brought in. Which is clearly not working and now she is saying she is autistic to change the story. She isn't autistic. https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/women-with-autism-spectrum-disorder/202104/10-signs-of-autism-in-women?msockid=19625071defd6d4d39fb456adf926c66

Her "symptom" that she quoted to Teddi in the podcast was that she lacked empathy. That's called a PSYCHOPATH. I guess it sounds better to say autistic than a psychopath, although that is really what Tamra's description fits, IMO.

https://mantracare.org/therapy/issues/female-psychopaths/

STANDS AND CLAPS!!!! BRAVO!!!

On 10/17/2024 at 11:49 PM, RHOSingapore said:

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Tamra said she received a diagnosis of being on the spectrum.  

There’s information on the Tamra thread….

 

On the spectrum of being a pyschopathic asshole??

[Dr Mama]

On 10/19/2024 at 3:56 PM, Sweet-tea said:

It was one of the few times I've seen Tamra looking her age. I don't know if it was the lighting or the lack of makeup, but she didn't look that great.

I think it was her pre-glam look (no pro makeup and hair.)

I was amazed seeing Kathy Hilton pre-glam at the last ROBH reunion--the transformation from pre-glam to post-glam was astonishing. Now seeing Tamra pre-glam, I'd say the transformative power of her glam is almost at the same level!

 

Edited October 21 by Dr Mama

[Pi237]

Loved Jenn not backing down while Tamra pulled every gaslighting trick she could think of: deny/twist the truth/laugh at the person/applaud their ‘finding their voice’ as if you were doing them a favor/Finally act like you’re the victim and say, I’m done!

Jenn needs to teach Shannon how to verbally slap that troll down. She’s going to act like she won that round, but she got owned. Even Heather’s face flashed a bit of regret for which side she chose.  Doesn’t matter What Tamra was asking about Ryan, she did it with the intention of digging up dirt and you don’t do that to your friends.  Unfortunately, as always happens, next week we’ll probably see Jenn and Tamra crying and “ let’s start over again because I love you and value your friendship” 🤮

These broads Really believe having money to blow on material possessions makes them better than everyone else. Emily pissed me off with that from the start, making fun of Jen. That’s so pathetic.  On the poor side of town, we believe how you treat others, how you show up even when it’s hard for you, how honest and reliable you are makes you a better person. Something most people learn in grade school. Emily’s making me wish she’d gain her weight back. She’s too full of herself. 
 

and if the choice is screeching women in their underwear trying to act like they’re the Most Fun ever vs quietly going to bed alone, Shannon wins for me. So try hard and embarrassing! Especially Heather with her arms in the air, “wooohooo!”  She wants to be one of the cool kids so bad. 

Edited October 21 by Pi237

[bravofan27]

Tamra, please. You all have had tummy tucks. Jen's abs look awesome because-- hello, yoga! All core there. I had a tummy tuck, and it takes off the extra skin, but muscle it does not make. Tamra also had a (another) tummy tuck, this time with a belly button, which she has been proudly showing off in her crop tops and belly showing outfits all season. Heather's comment about Jenn's great looking abs had to cut (hehe) Tamra to her core (I'm just killing it with my puns). 

I will say that having a tummy tuck was the best thing I've ever done for myself. Go to a good board-certified surgeon-- they know exactly what they are doing, and the results are almost magic. It's amazing what they can do. Why suffer if you can afford not to. Jenn's had 4 kids--- of course she is going to have a tummy tuck-- THEY HAVE ALL HAD THEM, and no one's abs look anything like Jen's. So shut up Tamra. Plus, Jenn is a lot younger than you, and gravity is just what it is. Mother nature, don't hate. 

I love Shannon and her little costumes. Who cares if she spent her settlement money. Tamra-- just take your Burberry present and shut up. Go sell it on Poshmark and put those 200 bucks in your savings and go gloat at home while you stick more fake wood panels in your tacky Big Bear house that looks like it was decorated by Mother Hubbard and discounted Etsy craft fair items. I think Tamra is just deflecting, again, because, frankly, she's cheap. Maybe she can borrow a pot from Jenn to catch that water that's leaking from her roof. Or maybe she's invest in a ladder and pound some shingles into her roof since she appears to be too cheap (she made it clear she's NOT broke) to actually replace the roof, which is what she needs to do. She lives in Eddie's house, which is his property since it was his before they were married, and the house she does own in Big Bear is going to be on short sell as soon as Eddie finally gets a clue and divorces her. 

Shannon doesn't seem hurting for cash. She isn't worried about paying her rent, her kids love her, and she is the same crazy zany person she always was. She has never come off as materialistic (that distinction belongs to Heather and Alexis). She had the money to pay John, and offered to, which, I don't know about others, but I certainly don't have 75,000 laying around-- her not paying him is not about having money, it's about her feeling betrayed. 

Emily-- Jenn does not portray herself as this wealthy woman. Far from it. Emily is projecting. From what I have seen from Jenn, she's pretty humble, she has normal grocery store items in her fridge, and offers Coffemate to guests for their coffee, she never talks about material things. She wants to look good on camera and spent some money on a nice dress. YOU ALL are the ones that went investigating how much it cost!

Emily's eyes are way too small for her face, and her mouth is WAY too big (admittedly petty, but I'm pissed at her now), she has no career (a job maybe, but nothing sustainable) really no property since I'm sure their house is in a trust and owned by Shane's parents, and if she and Shane got divorced, she would be SUPER screwed, because he doesn't even have any money to pay child support let alone alimony. Unless he's in a conservatorship with his parents, Emily would be left with pretty much nothing. 

It's so tacky for Heather, Tamra, and Emily to be commenting and gossiping about other people's money or lack of when they are anything but financially secure. They need something, anything, to actually talk about.

Vicki's ramblings for the first 10 seasons about women needing a career (compare to job, not the same thing) is really making sense now. But really, aside from the Bravo money, do ANY of them really have any income coming in? I think no. Heather would be SUPER screwed if Terry left her- his family has all the money, and Gina kicked her boyfriend out of her house because he can't afford to take his kids on vacation (or out to eat), and Gina afford it either. 

Jenn and Shannon actually have the finances pretty figured out in comparison. 

 

 

Edited October 22 by bravofan27

[Baltimore Betty]

Tamra says that Eddie owns a multi million dollar company, really? Multi million? Is there a way we can check that fact? 

If Terry were to leave Heather she would be back on every sit com out there, she would be porto cochere-less. 

Emily does throw stones at glass houses, she and Shane live on the good graces of his parents, how rich are his parents, how did they make their money? Emily has a law degree which was a lot of hard work to earn why walk away from it, can't she do something with her law degree? As of now she is no better financially off than the HW's she mocks for not having a job.

I guess this is a lesson in not counting other people's money which is something Jenn with The Spectacular Abs has never done.

 

[Palimelon]

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If Terry were to leave Heather she would be back on every sit com out there, she would be porto cochere-less. 

 

In Heather's case, I imagine she could get a good chunk of money in the divorce, given how "involved" she is the home building & selling she and Terry do, plus all the shilling she does/did for her and Terry's snake oil wellness products (those home Covid testing kits didn't hoard and sell themselves). Plus do she and Terry even have a pre-nup?

Edited October 22 by Palimelon

[SweetieDarling]

Do Tamra and Eddie still have the CBD business? Is it worth multi-millions? I wouldn't doubt if it costs multi-millions to run or they were multi-millions in debt because of it -does that count?

 For some reason I think Shane is working. He was working before he passed the bar. What a waste to take the bar exam so many times if he's a stay at home dad. Emily helps wrongfully incarcerated inmates fight their cases, but I'm not sure if that's a volunteer thing or if she gets paid -it seems very part-time, but who knows what happens when they're not filming. It does help her keep her foot in the door if the HW gig disappears

Does anyone actually buy Terry and Heather's snake oil? Are they still selling it on QVC or whatever shopping network they were on?  I'd be kind of surprised if it's still around, but I may be underestimating their fanbase because of my own dislike for them

 

[BloggerAloud]

I think this season is so funny because it's rare to see something filmed one way and be perceived so differently once it gets it in front of the viewing audience. Heather, Tamra misplayed their hands so thoroughly on this season with the Jesus Jugs stuff it'd actually be tragic if I liked either of them. They misread the wins or overthought their skills as manipulators and got outfoxed by Shannon Beador. You know how dim you have to be to get outmaneuvered by Shannon (no offense, Shannon!)

7 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Vicki's ramblings for the first 10 seasons about women needing a career (compare to job, not the same thing) is really making sense now. But really, aside from the Bravo money, do ANY of them really have any income coming in? I think no. Heather would be SUPER screwed if Terry left her- his family has all the money, and Gina kicked her boyfriend out of her house because he can't afford to take his kids on vacation (or out to eat), and Gina afford it either. 

7 hours ago, bravofan27 said:

Vicki's ramblings for the first 10 seasons about women needing a career (compare to job, not the same thing) is really making sense now. But really, aside from the Bravo money, do ANY of them really have any income coming in? I think no. Heather would be SUPER screwed if Terry left her- his family has all the money, and Gina kicked her boyfriend out of her house because he can't afford to take his kids on vacation (or out to eat), and Gina afford it either. 

 

For all of Vicki's faults, I'll always respect the fact that the show went to her head ego-wise but she never stopped doing her insurance company. In some ways, the show has always served as an ad for that and other women would've long ago sold it in order to fully just persue fame. Scary as it is, I do think Vicki really just likes selling insurance, the wheeling and dealing of it all.

 

[Natalie68]

On 10/17/2024 at 8:24 PM, Stats Queen said:

Last season she was done with Tamra and her nastiness and all of the sudden she came back being buddy, buddy with Tamra and almost as nasty.

 

Self preservation? As a Heather fan, I am disappointed in her allegiance to Tamra.  In the real world, she wouldn't give Tamra the time of day.  Tamra has gone too far.  It feels like the audience isn't interested in the meanness anymore. 

[Natalie68]

On 10/18/2024 at 5:28 AM, Baltimore Betty said:

I am not sure that is really true, there has to be a cap on what can be written off, about twenty years ago I worked for a caterer in the sales department, I was required to wear a white shirt and black suit, it was our uniform, they did not furnish us with that outfit, we had to buy it on our own so when tax time came around the CPA told me it was "personal choice" to buy what I bought to wear to work since the company did not offer a uniform for purchase, I really hated that CPA btw.

Jenn running into Tamra's room reminded me when Alex huffed and puffed her way to Luanne in her Herman Munster boots.

Tamra is fully in Lisa Rinna territory and that is not a good place to be.

The double decker bus looked fun however they had no idea what the tour guide was saying but I guess that was not the point of them being upstairs, it is bloody cold up there too!

Shannon has got to stop with the costumes, I'd die of embarrassment if I had to wear a tiara and cape thru the streets of London.

Did they go to Harrod's or Fortnum & Mason's or Oxford Street, Picadilly CIrcus or Buckingham Palace, or Covent Gardens? Idon't remember seeing any of that just them picking at each other, they all do the gossiping and talking about each other, etc... they should all just get over it. 

Gina getting pissy about her house not being worth as much as the others is stupid because it is true! Shannon should feel bad because she rents, lol.

 

 

They should get a full ride scholarship!

It is true. And she needs to be proud of what she has done for herself. Shannon took a decent settlement and wasted it and now seemingly struggles.  It feels like Shannon needs a minder.  To drive her, handle her money, and to take possession of her phone after midnight.

[Natalie68]

On 10/20/2024 at 11:11 AM, Chalby said:

I understood why it's important that we hear that Shannon rents. I remember after Gina left, and she and Matt took turns staying with kids.

This forced Gina into renting a coach house/ (cassida or whatever they were calling/mocking it.)

"Renting" has always implied 'no money' to these gals, so I laughed when Shannon when radio silent because she's renting.

Some people rent because they don't want the responsibility of owning a home.  I have never wanted to own one. Just different priorities. It is not the be all end all. Nor should it be weaponized. Living within ones means is what is important.

Tamra did come from nothing.  I believe she didn't get anything in her divorce from Simon.  She wore fakes, carried fake purses and all that jazz. She got rewarded for being an awful person on the show so her standard of living went up.  I also think some of these ladies regularly shop at the Real Real.  Except for Heather.

OT (sorta): Watched something on designer clothing.  That the designer duds covered in the brand logo (think Dorit) are for people wanting to look rich while the actual designs for rich folks are more subtle.

17 hours ago, Pi237 said:

Loved Jenn not backing down while Tamra pulled every gaslighting trick she could think of: deny/twist the truth/laugh at the person/applaud their ‘finding their voice’ as if you were doing them a favor/Finally act like you’re the victim and say, I’m done!

Jenn needs to teach Shannon how to verbally slap that troll down. She’s going to act like she won that round, but she got owned. Even Heather’s face flashed a bit of regret for which side she chose.  Doesn’t matter What Tamra was asking about Ryan, she did it with the intention of digging up dirt and you don’t do that to your friends.  Unfortunately, as always happens, next week we’ll probably see Jenn and Tamra crying and “ let’s start over again because I love you and value your friendship” 🤮

These broads Really believe having money to blow on material possessions makes them better than everyone else. Emily pissed me off with that from the start, making fun of Jen. That’s so pathetic.  On the poor side of town, we believe how you treat others, how you show up even when it’s hard for you, how honest and reliable you are makes you a better person. Something most people learn in grade school. Emily’s making me wish she’d gain her weight back. She’s too full of herself. 
 

and if the choice is screeching women in their underwear trying to act like they’re the Most Fun ever vs quietly going to bed alone, Shannon wins for me. So try hard and embarrassing! Especially Heather with her arms in the air, “wooohooo!”  She wants to be one of the cool kids so bad. 

I saw that!

[Cosmocrush]

Heather has always been a "love to hate" Real HW for me and I mean that in a fun way;  Fancy Pants having a party but then roping off most of her house/ hotel to corral her guests and then tossing them ALL out before the Nobu catered dinner was  was awesome snark material.   Watching someone who believes she is better than EVERYONE have to muck out the horse stalls on a ranch vacation and then declare she is now thankful for all the little people with menial jobs because they make her fabulous possible, lol was an "Oh Heather" moment. Heather feeling the need to defend her imdb resume after slapping Taylor down for offering her an opportunity delighted me as well.

But this Heather of the Manor, wannabe Beverly Hills HW, teaming up with the Trashbag Tamra  is NOT enjoyable. 

Edited October 22 by Cosmocrush

[MaggieG]

5 hours ago, Baltimore Betty said:

If Terry were to leave Heather she would be back on every sit com out there, she would be porto cochere-less. 

 

 

5 hours ago, Palimelon said:

 

In Heather's case, I imagine she could get a good chunk of money in the divorce, given how "involved" she is the home building & selling she and Terry do, plus all the shilling she does/did for her and Terry's snake oil wellness products (those home Covid testing kits didn't hoard and sell themselves). Plus do she and Terry even have a pre-nup?

Heather and Terry have been married for 25 years and the bulk of their fortune has been made during that time. Idk if they have a prenup but CA is 50/50 state so if they were to divorce, Heather would be set.

[bravofan27]

44 minutes ago, MaggieG said:

 

Heather and Terry have been married for 25 years and the bulk of their fortune has been made during that time. Idk if they have a prenup but CA is 50/50 state so if they were to divorce, Heather would be set.

Heather would likely get a nice settlement, but it wouldn't last forever. Terry has money, and a lot of it, consistently rolling in, a real and lucrative career, and if they were divorced, Heather would not have access to it. Maybe she would score a sweet deal like Sutton-- she's making 250K a month or something in alimony or something crazy. It's definitely cheaper for Terry to stay married to Heather, which IMO, is why he is. 

[Palimelon]

Sutton is getting $300k per month, which is $3.6 million a year, plus another $50k a month in child support. I think even Heather would be good with that amount.

[Dr Mama]

[I deleted my comment--I read the name wrong!!]

Edited October 22 by Dr Mama

[Palimelon]

Quote

Where are you getting these numbers????

From the actual divorce settlement documents?

https://radaronline.com/p/sutton-stracke-divorce-settlement-ex-husband-revealed-read-documents-rhobh-300000-per-month-support/

"Sutton walked away with a home in Los Angeles and another property in Georgia. In addition, she was paid a lump sum of $1,235,000 from her ex.

The reality star was awarded a Cadillac automobile, 2015 Chevy Suburban, and a Range Rover.

The documents revealed Sutton kept a bank account holding $86k, her clothing, jewelry and couture collection. The two split their interest in two minor league baseball teams.

Sutton kept a personal checking account with $800k and Andy Warhol prints.

In regard to support, Christian agreed to pay Sutton $300k per month until her death. He pays another $50k in child support. The two agreed to share joint legal and physical custody of their kids."

And yes, the article has screen shots of the documents in question.

Edited October 22 by Palimelon

[FlyingEgret]

A slight topic pivot...

Everytime my boss goes to London he brings back a box or two of Charbonnel et Walker. The pink champaign ones are amazing. I was thrilled to get a look at the actual store 😋

[Dr Mama]

16 minutes ago, Palimelon said:

From the actual divorce settlement documents?

 

So sorry!! I deleted my comment super quickly because as soon as I posted it, I realized I'd read the name wrong!!

Thanks for the details on Sutton's settlement! Not only is she getting way more than Shannon, I'm guessing she is way better with money than Shannon is!!

[Stats Queen]

14 hours ago, SweetieDarling said:

For some reason I think Shane is working. He was working before he passed the bar. What a waste to take the bar exam so many times if he's a stay at home dad

No, he is working. I remember him coming home from work several times.

I do wish Emily would use her hard earned Law Degree to doing amazing things.

[Cosmocrush]

15 minutes ago, Stats Queen said:

I do wish Emily would use her hard earned Law Degree to doing amazing things.

She volunteers for the L.A. Innocence Project and is raising three kids, which isn't nothing.  Actually, I think volunteering for the Innocence Project is kind of amazing for the low low bar of RHOOC. 

[Stats Queen]

2 hours ago, Cosmocrush said:

She volunteers for the L.A. Innocence Project and is raising three kids, which isn't nothing.  Actually, I think volunteering for the Innocence Project is kind of amazing for the low low bar of RHOOC. 

I totally agree with you. (In my lame defense, I was not sober, but home ….)

The fact that she is able to contribute to The Innocence Project and also platform. It on TV to raise awareness is amazing.

Such an important cause so I am happy and we a blessed that she has the financial freedom to showcase these on a show.