Season 01

[Rightside]

Nine years? He is never getting married to Joan.

Edited November 15 by Rightside

[DEL901]

2 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

Divorced from his first wife, then he was with Kathy for 9 years and was engaged to her but never married her.

1 hour ago, Rightside said:

Nine years? He is never get married to Joan.

I read that they were waiting until his kids went off to college, then she died before they had a chance to marry.    Correction….they both had kids and she pushed to wait. 

Edited November 14 by DEL901

[debbie311]

I think I'll be skipping the next Bachelor.  I am not excited by the guy (forget his name) and seeing the previews of the girls cat-fighting was boring.

I said to my husband, ooh I wonder if they are gonna get a trip to Italy?!  Ha ha, Disney World with all the kids and grandkids.  That could be a real test of the relationship!  Well, Disney owns ABC, so ...

Joan's son looked kind of like as asshole to me.  Re him saying the kids and grandkids are everything to her (she gives her all), visiting them every day -- maybe he agrees with the current VP-elect who believes the purpose of post-menopausal women is to help raise grandkids.

[MissPriss]

38 minutes ago, debbie311 said:

I think I'll be skipping the next Bachelor.  I am not excited by the guy (forget his name) and seeing the previews of the girls cat-fighting was boring.

After watching grown men with actual vocabularies, I’m not excited to watch The Bachelor or ‘ettes anymore.🤔 Maturity is much more entertaining. 

[bequialife]

4 hours ago, kristen111 said:

You hit the nail on the head.  Bingo.  Money talks, bullshit walks.  I was surprised she wears hi heels with no backs.  She even wore heels in the pouring rain.  

And do you remember her one on one dune buggy (or ATV) date with Chock - she was in an all white pantsuit, with heels!  Who wears all white while speeding thru dirt??

[kristen111]

3 hours ago, debbie311 said:

I think I'll be skipping the next Bachelor.  I am not excited by the guy (forget his name) and seeing the previews of the girls cat-fighting was boring.

I said to my husband, ooh I wonder if they are gonna get a trip to Italy?!  Ha ha, Disney World with all the kids and grandkids.  That could be a real test of the relationship!  Well, Disney owns ABC, so ...

Joan's son looked kind of like as asshole to me.  Re him saying the kids and grandkids are everything to her (she gives her all), visiting them every day -- maybe he agrees with the current VP-elect who believes the purpose of post-menopausal women is to help raise grandkids.

Who expects to have their married kids over for dinner every Sunday?  Ridiculous.  They have a life of their own .. kids sports, etc.  Husbands have chores and maybe want to relax and watch a game or whatever.  A little selfish of Joan to take up their day off.

[hoodooznoodooz]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:25 PM, Tink said:

I don’t think they look that happy sitting there, especially Chock.

I like to think that ten minutes earlier they had just had an argument over why Pascal dumping her shook her to the core.

[StatisticalOutlier]

On 11/11/2024 at 4:50 PM, Back Atcha said:

Yeah...she went from pretty and looking kind--to surgically beautiful and a bit harsh.  I wouldn't have considered "harsh" if I hadn't seen the BEFORE photo.

I don't see "surgically beautiful" at all, but agree on harsh, which is what came to mind the second I saw her next to Nancy, who has a real face. 

On 11/12/2024 at 8:05 AM, tennisgurl said:

Its honestly super wholesome and it makes me want to watch a Golden Paradise where everyone just hangs out and has fun. 

I don't know.  I wonder if this was like the first season of The Real World, where the people were going into uncharted territory, and all the subsequent ones were just...different.  I loved watching the men hang around with each other (the women from Gerry's season not so much), but I worry that they'd be too aware of the cameras to get that magic back.

Look at Charles, who started putting shoe polish on his hair, when he was a very handsome salt-and-pepper fellow before.  That disappointed me.

2 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Who expects to have their married kids over for dinner every Sunday?  Ridiculous.  They have a life of their own .. kids sports, etc.  Husbands have chores and maybe want to relax and watch a game or whatever.  A little selfish of Joan to take up their day off.

I don't recall any of her family complaining about the weekly dinner.  Maybe they even enjoy it? 

[hoodooznoodooz]

Didn’t Joan tell Guy after meeting his family that she could picture a life with him? I thought she told both Chalk (I am going to call him that, because I find him as appealing and desirable as a piece of chalk) and Guy, and maybe even Pascal. Or did she only say that in an interview?

If she did, I can see why Guy thought that she was going to choose him.

[Rightside]

I could be wrong, but I don't think Joan and Chock are really going be happy in their NYC penthouse plan. It sounds good on paper but

Are they quitting their jobs? Probably not.

They work remote? Possibility.

Are they selling their homes? Definitely not.

They are basically going to go back and forth from MD to NY and KS to NY until one of them has a "conflict" and can't make it or has to leave early.

Edited November 15 by Rightside

[LuvMyShows]

On 11/13/2024 at 9:25 PM, Tink said:

I don’t think they look that happy sitting there, especially Chock.

I carefully watched their entrance. And I could be reading a lot into it, but looking at the micro-movements, it didn't look good:

Obviously they would walk in holding hands, but when they sat down, Chock did not sit right beside her. He sat a bit away, and then moved to be closer to her. But as he was moving to be closer, she was oddly looking down at that space between them.

Right when he settled himself down, he clasped his own hands together on his lap for just a moment, and then reached for Joan's hand. Her hands were clasped together on her lap, and as he reached to hold her hand, it looked like some awkward fumbling on her part before she actually took his hand. And then when Jesse immediately commented on her ring, she showed it to Jesse in what seemed like an eagerness to let Chock's hand go. So once her hand was gone, Chock immediately put his hand on her leg. And when she did take his hand after showing the ring, and put her other hand on top of her first hand, it just looked positioned, rather than organic. 

On 11/14/2024 at 12:35 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Joack or Choan will last until the moment she realizes that he is a little too smothering.

I love you, Joan.

I love you, too, Ch—-

Where are you going?

What? Oh, we’re low on milk. I thought I’d just run down to—-

I’ll come with you.

You don’t have to do th—

I said, I’ll come with you.

Genius!!!

[jackjill89]

17 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Who expects to have their married kids over for dinner every Sunday?  Ridiculous.  They have a life of their own .. kids sports, etc.  Husbands have chores and maybe want to relax and watch a game or whatever.  A little selfish of Joan to take up their day off.

I have a friend whose MIL expects, and gets, family dinner with her grown children and families every single Sunday.

[sadie]

12 minutes ago, LuvMyShows said:

Right when he settled himself down, he clasped his own hands together on his lap for just a moment, and then reached for Joan's hand. Her hands were clasped together on her lap, and as he reached to hold her hand, it looked like some awkward fumbling on her part before she actually took his hand. And then when Jesse immediately commented on her ring, she showed it to Jesse in what seemed like an eagerness to let Chock's hand go. So once her hand was gone, Chock immediately put his hand on her leg. And when she did take his hand after showing the ring, and put her other hand on top of her first hand, it just looked positioned, rather than organic. 

 

I know none of us actually know, and we love playing armchair psychologists but I get the impression each of them is filling the “role” the other wants. He wants a hot babe that dresses a certain way and carries herself a certain way. I wonder if she will ever be allowed to have an off day of no make up, sweatpants and ratty hair (well rattier). The illusion is this age appropriate woman that is hot enough to parade around and be the envy of his friends.

And I think she sees him as her knight that will swoop in and give her daily affirmations of how lovable and beautiful and desired she is and provide her an affluent lifestyle. I wonder if he will ever get to have a bad day where he doesn’t respond as quickly as she might like or he will face the wrath of what I will now call “being Pascaled”. Or she will pout and cry that she doesn’t feel “lovable” and he will have the exhausting task of puffing her back up.

When you stick two self important people together someone is eventually going to have to give in. When she wants her family time and he wants to be somewhere else what will that look like? Maybe this will all work out but I’m skeptical.

[CatWarmer]

17 hours ago, kristen111 said:

Who expects to have their married kids over for dinner every Sunday?  Ridiculous.  They have a life of their own .. kids sports, etc.  Husbands have chores and maybe want to relax and watch a game or whatever.  A little selfish of Joan to take up their day off.

And perhaps this is why her kids nominated her in the first place for The Golden Bachelor.  I'm picturing, "Really, Mom, it's fine, please go to New York - stay as long as you like. No need to hurry back.  Take a few weeks or months. "

[DEL901]

4 minutes ago, CatWarmer said:

And perhaps this is why her kids nominated her in the first place for The Golden Bachelor.  I'm picturing, "Really, Mom, it's fine, please go to New York - stay as long as you like. No need to hurry back.  Take a few weeks or months. "

I was wondering when those weekly dinners became a thing.  Could have been something the kids started started when she was widowed…a temporary way to keep her busy that just kept going.  

[StatisticalOutlier]

33 minutes ago, DEL901 said:

I was wondering when those weekly dinners became a thing.  Could have been something the kids started started when she was widowed…a temporary way to keep her busy that just kept going.  

Who knows.  Mr. Outlier used to go to dinner at his parents' house TWICE a week.  His mom's a really good cook, and she would feed him AND give him a to-go meal each time.  Pretty nice deal for a non-cooking bachelor.

If he got hungry at home, he'd just look in his freezer and select among roast beef with potatoes and green beans, king ranch casserole, etc.

Not every "weekly family dinner" is an Emily Gilmore hostage situation.

[sadie]

48 minutes ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Not every "weekly family dinner" is an Emily Gilmore hostage situation.

You are officially my new favorite person. Anyone that can drop a GG reference into an unrelated topic can always sit next to me! 

[CatWarmer]

9 minutes ago, sadie said:

You are officially my new favorite person. Anyone that can drop a GG reference into an unrelated topic can always sit next to me! 

I guess it's possible Joan has been doing some funding for the families although doubtful it's a blackmail situation like Emily paying for school.

[Cloud9Shopper]

I go to my mom’s for dinner almost every Sunday. She doesn’t force me or anything, and I’m not married and don’t have any kids of my own to keep me occupied. To be honest, I’d rather hang out with just my mom and stepdad than ever again have to go to a family gathering on my dad’s side of the family.  Thanksgiving is usually 20 people, which includes people I don’t care about like my dad’s cousin, the cousin’s daughter’s boyfriend, and some very distant relative I barely remember or know but have to somehow pretend I’m happy to see before I see them again in several months or a year from now. Weekly Sunday dinner with a smaller group of family I’m actually interested in is way better for me. 

2 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Who knows.  Mr. Outlier used to go to dinner at his parents' house TWICE a week.  His mom's a really good cook, and she would feed him AND give him a to-go meal each time.  Pretty nice deal for a non-cooking bachelor.

If he got hungry at home, he'd just look in his freezer and select among roast beef with potatoes and green beans, king ranch casserole, etc.

Not every "weekly family dinner" is an Emily Gilmore hostage situation.

 

[Back Atcha]

18 hours ago, StatisticalOutlier said:

Look at Charles, who started putting shoe polish on his hair, when he was a very handsome salt-and-pepper fellow before.  That disappointed me.

If Charles lived in the Asian communities near me, his neighbors would have said, "FINALLY!"  When I shop in Asian grocery/markets, I rarely see gray-haired woman or MEN!  Occasionally, I'll see that teltall white line along a part--but that's rare.  I think the "shoe polish" look is more common than not. Perhaps it was discouraged when he was in business.

[Armchair Critic]

How long before we get the announcement that they broke up because of living long distance? I am younger than them and it exhausts me to think of traveling back and forth between Maryland and Kansas and then also to NY to an apartment.

https://people.com/the-golden-bachelorette-joan-vassos-and-chock-chapple-not-moving-in-together-retreat-to-nyc-alone-time-exclusive-8745833

[sadie]

26 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

How long before we get the announcement that they broke up because of living long distance? I am younger than them and it exhausts me to think of traveling back and forth between Maryland and Kansas and then also to NY to an apartment.

https://people.com/the-golden-bachelorette-joan-vassos-and-chock-chapple-not-moving-in-together-retreat-to-nyc-alone-time-exclusive-8745833

Thanks for the link. And yet again Joan can’t resist bringing John into it. Gosh Joan did we really need to know John would have loved going to Disney. That would get old fast if I was Chok. 

I just picture her staring out the window of her newly purchased Chok penthouse in NYC

Joan: [sipping her evening glass of wine with a very self satisfied smirk] Oh John would have just loved this

While Chok stands in the background grimacing with his dead shark eyes wondering how much money he’s going to lose when they sell the penthouse only 2 months after buying it. 

[kristen111]

44 minutes ago, Armchair Critic said:

How long before we get the announcement that they broke up because of living long distance? I am younger than them and it exhausts me to think of traveling back and forth between Maryland and Kansas and then also to NY to an apartment.

https://people.com/the-golden-bachelorette-joan-vassos-and-chock-chapple-not-moving-in-together-retreat-to-nyc-alone-time-exclusive-8745833

I doubt she will give up three houses, fine dining, and trips.  She wants it all.  I guess if he was a regular guy with a regular job, she wouldn’t have picked him.  Plus, I really think she wanted Pascal, Altho Chuck has more money.

[kristen111]

4 hours ago, sadie said:

I know none of us actually know, and we love playing armchair psychologists but I get the impression each of them is filling the “role” the other wants. He wants a hot babe that dresses a certain way and carries herself a certain way. I wonder if she will ever be allowed to have an off day of no make up, sweatpants and ratty hair (well rattier). The illusion is this age appropriate woman that is hot enough to parade around and be the envy of his friends.

And I think she sees him as her knight that will swoop in and give her daily affirmations of how lovable and beautiful and desired she is and provide her an affluent lifestyle. I wonder if he will ever get to have a bad day where he doesn’t respond as quickly as she might like or he will face the wrath of what I will now call “being Pascaled”. Or she will pout and cry that she doesn’t feel “lovable” and he will have the exhausting task of puffing her back up.

When you stick two self important people together someone is eventually going to have to give in. When she wants her family time and he wants to be somewhere else what will that look like? Maybe this will all work out but I’m skeptical.

Joan better get her flimsy nighties out.  Chuck looks like he will devour her.  He can’t keep his hands off her.  Yikes.

[Breedom]

1 hour ago, Cloud9Shopper said:

I go to my mom’s for dinner almost every Sunday. She doesn’t force me or anything, and I’m not married and don’t have any kids of my own to keep me occupied.

I think that's lovely, I would always love to spend time with my parents. I think that it's different for Joan - doesn't she want her whole family gathering with her every Sunday, adult kids and grandkids? That's too much, no matter how close they are. Personally, if my grandkids were older, I'd feel guilty for taking them away from their own weekend activities and friends every week.

[Breedom]

40 minutes ago, sadie said:

Thanks for the link. And yet again Joan can’t resist bringing John into it. Gosh Joan did we really need to know John would have loved going to Disney. That would get old fast if I was Chok. 

You're kidding. Now that Chock won the big prize, he can feel more relaxed about letting go and telling her to knock it off. GET A CLUE, JOAN. No one wants to hear about your departed spouse anymore, no matter how kind they are. Go and live your live and stop your whining. I have lost a husband too, it's hard, but you have to stop this incessant moping and dreaming about what could have been. That part of your life is over. Get some grief counseling, and don't compare Chock with your husband. That's probably coming. Hopefully, at 61 years old you know better.

How long was this whole ordeal? Chock fell, hopelessly, helplessly, crazily in love with someone in a short time (is it a few weeks?) I don't believe that.  - and now he is willing to buy an apartment with Joan and have a long-distance relationship. It ain't gonna work. Besides, I didn't see Joan falling head over heels with Chock. It's just a show and she had to pick someone.

[DEL901]

2 minutes ago, Breedom said:

You're kidding. Now that Chock won the big prize, he can feel more relaxed about letting go and telling her to knock it off. GET A CLUE, JOAN. No one wants to hear about your departed spouse anymore, no matter how kind they are. Go and live your live and stop your whining. I have lost a husband too, it's hard, but you have to stop this incessant moping and dreaming about what could have been. That part of your life is over. Get some grief counseling, and don't compare Chock with your husband. That's probably coming. Hopefully, at 61 years old you know better.

How long was this whole ordeal? Chock fell, hopelessly, helplessly, crazily in love with someone in a short time (is it a few weeks?) I don't believe that.  - and now he is willing to buy an apartment with Joan and have a long-distance relationship. It ain't gonna work. Besides, I didn't see Joan falling head over heels with Chock. It's just a show and she had to pick someone.

Per your question. Gerry’s season shot in 30 days and I imagine Joan’s was similar.  Plenty of time to fall in love, right?    Especially since they only had 2 actual dates until home towns, overnights and the last chance date.   

[kristen111]

1 hour ago, sadie said:

Thanks for the link. And yet again Joan can’t resist bringing John into it. Gosh Joan did we really need to know John would have loved going to Disney. That would get old fast if I was Chok. 

I just picture her staring out the window of her newly purchased Chok penthouse in NYC

Joan: [sipping her evening glass of wine with a very self satisfied smirk] Oh John would have just loved this

While Chok stands in the background grimacing with his dead shark eyes wondering how much money he’s going to lose when they sell the penthouse only 2 months after buying it. 

Joan doesn’t want too much, does she?  It seems she is in control of everything.  But, she couldn’t control Pascal, and that killed her.

[hoodooznoodooz]

They probably won’t last a year together. But imagine the conversation during which Joan tells Chock that she told her family to bury her next to John.

[Hip-to-be-Square]

On 11/13/2024 at 6:56 PM, kristen111 said:

Like Chock wants to go to Disney with the whole Gang.  Yeah, ok.

Those grandkids would cock block his love bombing skills! 🥴

[Arkay]

7 minutes ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

Those grandkids would cock block his love bombing skills! 🥴

Cock block Chock!! How dare they???? 😁

Edited November 16 by Arkay

[Breedom]

Something else that started to be very irritating to me. Joan had a habit of opening her mouth as wide as she could for any reason. Seeing someone, anyone, it was like a "I'm so surprised to see you!" mouth.

But her eyes remained dead.

She's not ready for this. Why did she even agree to do this show in the first place, I wonder. From deep grieving, to "hey, let's do a TV show all about falling in love!" And it didn't work with Gerry to completion, so she had more time to think about it, but still, "I'm in!!!" with the new show.

[Thumper]

“Our kids have gotten to know each other a little bit over the phone and texting, but they're finally going to get to spend four or five days together,” says Vassos, who also spends Thanksgiving with her late husband’s family. “

 

Am I understanding this to mean John’s family will be celebrating Thanksgiving with Joan’s and Chock’s families too??????!
 

[kristen111]

Of course Joan wants to live in the Village.  She’ll be neighbors with Andy Cohen and all the stars on tv and movies.  The Brownstones cost lots of money.  She doesn’t care.

[gwen747]

I kept expecting Chock to drop the engagement ring into the ocean on the boat ride over.

[Back Atcha]

On 11/13/2024 at 5:48 PM, kristen111 said:

   Sometimes friends come and go.

Sometimes sex does to...and often "sexy" isn't what it appears to be.

[Back Atcha]

32 minutes ago, gwen747 said:

I kept expecting Chock to drop the engagement ring into the ocean on the boat ride over.

No harm. Surely, it's insured. The contestants don't have to pay for the ring.  It's supposedly some big secret whether Neil Lane or ABC does.  There are two different explanations on the 'net about what happens to the ring if the engagement doesn't "take." One says the ring belongs to the couple, no matter what.  Another says that "under the law, the ring is returned if they break up.

[DEL901]

4 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

No harm. Surely, it's insured. The contestants don't have to pay for the ring.  It's supposedly some big secret whether Neil Lane or ABC does.  There are two different explanations on the 'net about what happens to the ring if the engagement doesn't "take." One says the ring belongs to the couple, no matter what.  Another says that "under the law, the ring is returned if they break up.

I have read that if the couple stays together either one or two years, I forget which, they get to keep the ring.   Kaitlyn and Shawm auctioned off her ring for charity when they broke up.  

[kristen111]

13 hours ago, Hip-to-be-Square said:

Those grandkids would cock block his love bombing skills! 🥴

It looks like he will wear her out.  BARF !

[ECM1231]

6 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Kaitlyn and Shawm auctioned off her ring for charity when they broke up.  

That's lovely!

Pretty sure the couple has to stay together for a minimum of 2 years in order to keep the ring.

[Breedom]

I don't think it will last. First you have the distance issue. Chock seems like a horny little dude, he's going to want to be with Joan all the time. That's going to create problems down the road. Then, how is she going to be able to fully commit to this? She has so much guilt within her for "betraying" John, can she really marry this guy? Does she really love him? Could she grow to love him in time? Probably not. He's infatuated right now, but how long is he going to feel that way? They just don't know each other, at all.

It's not like they are in their twenties; things get complicated as people get older.

[Alexander Pope]

Kansas money is not NYC money.  I will be very curious to know what kind of place in the Village they can afford.  I am pretty sure it won't be a brownstone!

[ljenkins782]

40 minutes ago, Breedom said:

I don't think it will last. First you have the distance issue. Chock seems like a horny little dude, he's going to want to be with Joan all the time. That's going to create problems down the road. Then, how is she going to be able to fully commit to this? She has so much guilt within her for "betraying" John, can she really marry this guy? Does she really love him? Could she grow to love him in time? Probably not. He's infatuated right now, but how long is he going to feel that way? They just don't know each other, at all.

It's not like they are in their twenties; things get complicated as people get older.

Yeah, I think the odds are stacked against this working out. The distance issue is the biggest one, but the fact that they don't really know each other is the second biggest. The "bubble" atmosphere of the show, plus Chock's overbearing and competitive nature, plus some trauma bonding over lost loved ones and Joan participating in the memorial for Chock's mom. Those kinds of things can give you a false sense of closeness to someone.

Maybe it's just me and my aversion to over-talkers, but I think once you get past the love-bombing phase with a person like that, the traits that currently made him appealing to her are going to become obnoxious. 

As for Guy, the level of tears seemed extreme and I doubt that it was entirely related to Joan breaking up with him. He's divorced and maybe had some residual bad experiences or else it was a Bachelor audition. 

I wasn't 100% which ones were Joan's kids and which were spouses of her kids, but one of the girls they kept showing in the audience was making some really extreme faces and didn't look happy for any of it.  Made me think something must happen by the end because usually the show only focuses on the audience members who are acting according to the producer's instructions.

[Grizzly]

Not crazy about the Chock pick. Someone upthread compared him to Peyton Manning and I can't unsee or unhear that. What was up with his skin at the Joan family visit? His neck looked blistered. Maybe he should ask Guy to take a look at it. Felt horrible for Guy. To wake up feeling so good, only to have his dreams crushed. On camera. At the live show, I wish the other guys were able to come over to console him. None of the kids looked happy. Was the Mickey hat with veil supposed to mean they were getting married at Disney? 

[Armchair Critic]

I just read Joan's husband owned a strip club. Between that and his arrest ABC swept the info about her husband under the rug.

[hoodooznoodooz]

2 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

I just read Joan's husband owned a strip club. Between that and his arrest ABC swept the info about her husband under the rug.

Gross! 
 

This is what I found:

A September 2017 DOJ press release indicated that Forney and his business partner James Redding received approximately $2 million from Vassos in May 2010. Forney and his partner used the money to buy what became Stadium Club, a strip club.

I still agree that it tells you a lot about John, if he conducted business with guys like this.

 

Chalk really skeeves me out. When I think of him trying to seduce Joan, I shudder.

 

[Breedom]

2 hours ago, Armchair Critic said:

I just read Joan's husband owned a strip club. Between that and his arrest ABC swept the info about her husband under the rug.

Joan must love the bad boys. Pascal probably was the guy who rang her bell. Exciting, wealthy, adventurous, handsome and a full life. She probably was going to pick him, but when he bowed out she fell apart. I mean that seemed to really rock her. So she had to pick someone; and that someone was boring as-a-glass-of-flat-7-up Chock. There is no way she is "in love" with this guy.

17 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Chalk really skeeves me out. When I think of him trying to seduce Joan, I shudder.

It makes me sick too. Joan probably feels the same way. How can she be passionate about Chock? How can anyone be passionate about Chock? I can't imagine if I had to go through that.

[bequialife]

7 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Yeah, I think the odds are stacked against this working out. The distance issue is the biggest one, but the fact that they don't really know each other is the second biggest. The "bubble" atmosphere of the show, plus Chock's overbearing and competitive nature, plus some trauma bonding over lost loved ones and Joan participating in the memorial for Chock's mom. Those kinds of things can give you a false sense of closeness to someone.

Maybe it's just me and my aversion to over-talkers, but I think once you get past the love-bombing phase with a person like that, the traits that currently made him appealing to her are going to become obnoxious. 

Om goodness, so well said! 

[bequialife]

https://tvshowsace.com/wp-content/uploads/2024/11/jordan-and-leslie-2.jpg

 

There goes Leslie pretending to be in her 20's again.  Call me prude, but wrapping your legs around someone like that who you aren't 'dating'? I could never do that with my guy friends....

Or, are they just 'hooking up? Or trying to get his attention by pretending to be young and wild and free?

Edited November 17 by bequialife

[Armchair Critic]

1 hour ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

This is what I found

 

Quote

“It’s pretty cool that we’ve got an owner in the NBA championship game,” says Stadium Club co-owner John Vassos.

https://washingtoncitypaper.com/article/446323/andre-iguodala-nba-star-and-accidental-d-c-strip-club-magnate/#:~:text=Iguodala's company owned roughly two,took its toll on Iguodala.

 

Edited November 17 by Armchair Critic