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1 hour ago, Alexander Pope said:

I found it rich that the judges were asking Anna to be her "true self."  This woman is one of the most notorious frauds/shapeshifters/impersonators of our time! she has no true self.  I'm glad she is gone, though I have to admit I loved it when she answered "nothing" to Julianne's "what have you gotten out of this?" That was refreshing and actually honest, and it showed what a cold fish and selfish person she is, in other words, her true self.

A little contrition would have gone a long way to gaining some sympathy.   “I’m sorry for what I did, I’ve paid my dues and I’m hoping to start over “.  

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My husband loved Tori’s So Notorious show from 2006 (he loves Pug dogs and felt she was a kind dog owner) so when we were watching DWS he kept asking me what was wrong with her face. I explained that’s what happens when you try and change a face with fillers, implants, surgery and Botox. Plus time. It’s a shame really but she almost doesn’t look human.

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Well, so much for the criminal. If she came on this show to rehabilitate her image she did not. In fact, the opposite. What a rude, unprofessional, and childish response. Good riddance. She isn't a "star" in any way and never belonged on this show.

That being said, Eric and Reginald need to go next. It's kind of sad that Tori got the boot before those two. 

Chandler is great, but the google tells me she has been dancing since she was three and it is so hard for me to root for young showbusiness people that have almost as much training as the pros. She SHOULD be great. Big whoop.

Ilona and Alan are the best partnership. I follow her on Instagram and they are constantly putting out funny videos. I love her and them together and she actually had some improvement this week. Go Ilona!

I think it will get old if Stephen throws off his glasses every dance. I don't think this one was quite as good as his first but they are cute and he is clearly trying. In some ways I think he was trying too hard to get the shapes right and it was kind of awkward.

Joey surprised the heck out of me. For someone who describes themself as having "golden retriever energy" it was surprisingly sexy! I only watch the Golden versions of bachelor, but I kind of love him.

The football player is eye candy. He can stay as long as possible please.😜

Dwight is also a surprise - he is quite light on his feet despite being a giant and he seems really lovely as a person. I also love Daniella. But I'm sorry, they just look so dang weird. She looks like a midget next to him, especially in hold. 

Gleb and the model and their showmance can go. I am not here for it. Almost as icky as the criminal in my eyes. Blech. 

I don't really care about Jenn or Phaedra. I can't stand Phaedra and Jenn is just one Bachelor Nation contestant too many for me, and the second best one at that.

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4 hours ago, iMonrey said:

Plus it's only natural for his partner to choreograph to his gymnastic strengths. They do that with all the gymnasts. We'll see how he does with a Rhumba or a Waltz. He definitely has musicality/rhythm

I thought Stephen was ahead of the music last week and this week it was energetic but lacked  finesse, the in between dancing. That could just be the choreo. I know the show encourages the gymnastics  but too much gymnastics takes away from dancing because in gymnastics you do an element to completion, then go on to execute the next element.This is done so judges have a clear look at every element. Simone Biles always looked like a gymnast to me instead of a dancer because when elite gymnasts do a trick they automatically look to 'stick it' take a beat and then move on. 

Take a look at when Daniella did a  flip move out of a fairly routine pull through the legs and launches her right into basics with no stops.  It happened week one with Dwight on the first salsa. It is a small move but it shows smart continuity that gets Dwight to transition seemlessly. Another choreographer would likely have the trick stand on its own for a beat or two which cuts the flow which in turn cuts the feel for the music. 

 

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2 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

Gleb and the model and their showmance can go. I am not here for it. Almost as icky as the criminal in my eyes. Blech. 

What is UP with them? It's only week 2 and the show seems to really be pushing that showmance angle. Why? Did something actually happen with them, or is that just their gimmick? Because even the producer asked her in the interview segment what she thinks of people who say they're hooking up and then Carrie Ann kept asking about the kiss. Geez, already? 

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2 hours ago, iMonrey said:

What is UP with them? It's only week 2 and the show seems to really be pushing that showmance angle. Why? Did something actually happen with them, or is that just their gimmick? Because even the producer asked her in the interview segment what she thinks of people who say they're hooking up and then Carrie Ann kept asking about the kiss. Geez, already? 

Yeah, who is the audience for this?? I hated the Rylee/Harry business last year,* but you kind of understand that it's a trope that a segment of viewers, and Rylee and Harry's own fans outside the show, ate up (sweet girl tames bad boy blah blah blah). This is just "dance pro notorious for sleazy choreo and an allegedly checkered romantic history" + "Sports Illustrated model who might be dating Tom Brady." Who among the DWTS demographic has asked for this? Who has wanted this? 

*Which, on that note, I'm glad she's getting a more normal experience this season, with a nice, enthusiastic, and capable guy (who's firmly unavailable) and to whom she can actually give challenging material. I think that was actually a minor issue in the paso last night -- there was a lot in there, and it may have distracted from focusing more on just nailing the finesse. Stephen should have plenty of time to develop over the season, though.

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Just finished watching...

"If someone is going to win, then someone has got to go". I'm freakin' dying 🤣

I'm very glad that Anna's gone, but I feel so sorry for poor Ezra.

Ilona throwing Alan around was gold.

Stephen and Rilee are a good pairing, I really enjoy watching them dance, and he's doing good.

Dwight and Daniella are precious. It's going to be interesting to see how they manage other in-hold dances.

Phaedra, Joey, Danny, and Jenn are all fun to watch, and aren't that bad of dancers either.

Brooks and Gleb can go away, that was just obnoxious.

Reggie will probably be gone next, at least Eric can move a little.

Chandler is probably the best dancer at this point. I don't have a whole lot of faith in Brandon anymore, though...

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After the debacle that was Anna, I find myself thinking America (& Ezra) would've enjoyed Hawk Tuah Girl more. At least she has a personality & some self-awareness. She might've even been something of a decent dancer too..

I guess I'm a little surprised that Tori also went this week, but if you just watched the dancing, she was about as unsteady on her feet as the two old guys.

Reg & Eric need to go next in some order. I know quite a few of the more Senior competitors to do DWTS have been limited, but these two are taking that to the extreme. ER seems like he's going to fall at any moment and Reg seems like he might have a catastrophic injury if he does more than even the most baby-est of steps/moves/kicks/whatever.

Danny & Witney are fun to watch. It's nice having Witney back, and Danny is so intense. You can tell the athlete in him does not want to fail. It was particularly encouraging to see him start to enjoy the performance side of things this week.

Daniella is a wizard. Every week is going to be a code that she's going to have to "crack" to figure out how best to dance w/ an almost 7 foot human being. So far, she's 2 for 2..

Sasha & Jen are fine. Val and Phaedra are fine, On the dance floor Gleb & Brooks are a little better than fine, it's just everything swirling around off the dance floor that's a little bit exhausting.

Jenny & Joey are the surprise of the season to be. Bachelor people tend to be very hit or miss. Joey is a hit w/ his dancing, and he doesn't have a super off-putting personality either.

The Olympians are so much fun. Rylee & Stephen are so high energy they really are the perfect match for each other. Hopefully he does okay in the slower more sensual dances like the Rumba/Tango/Waltz. Ilona really had a breakthrough this week. She seemed so much more at ease (& and able to let go) this week.

Chandler is totally the ringiest ringer of the season. However she has Brandon who isn't a particularly well liked pro. He also couldn't get Tinashe or Jodie Sweetin past about the middle of the season so I'm not convinced yet that she's a lock for the finale even if she ultimately gets the first 9s and 10s of the season..

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22 hours ago, CraftyHazel said:

Outside of “Inventing Anna” I know very little about Anna Delvey aside from her crimes.  She certainly seems like a very joyless person, but at first, I thought maybe she was using dark humor when, after asked what she took from this experience, she tersely replied, “Nothing.”  (Since, you know, she took so much from so many…)  Upon further reflection, I think I was giving her too much credit.  I think she’s just a sour person.  Why did she even agree to do this show??

Believe me, Inventing Anna gave her an extremely favorable edit while pretty much trashing Rachel DeLoache Williams, who was on the hook for some $60,000 for a few years, until finally the credit card (Amex?) decided to forgive the debt. I was appalled. 

 

14 hours ago, mirandroid said:

Anna - what a charmless asshole. Get off my screen, you blank-eyed sociopath. Hope you have better luck next season, Ezra. I want to say they couldn't give you anyone worse, buuuuuut Susan Smith is up for parole soon and I don't want to put that kind of energy out into the universe. DWTS clearly has no qualms about criminal chachas.

Oh my God. What a desecration of the memory of those two little boys she drowned if she shows up dead-eyed wearing a vacant grin, to perform chachas and mambos. Please don't go there, show.

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When someone is as slimy as Gleb, I stop seeing them as attractive, so I'm always shocked to learn that people do see him as attractive.  I like his model, but she's not likely to have the right audience for this show, so that's probably why they have been given the showmance.

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6 hours ago, crowceilidh said:

When someone is as slimy as Gleb, I stop seeing them as attractive, so I'm always shocked to learn that people do see him as attractive.

Very annoying he gets as much publicity as he gets. Sleazeball.

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I voted for Eric Roberts the other night (among others) because I saw true feeling during the package when they were watching the Godfather clips. I thought his dance was much improved from the first night. 

I had secondhand embarrassment for Ezra. He reacted to Anna's "Nothing". He probably felt how much he tried to make her look good, and that is his reward. Don't worry Ezra, we think none the less of you, because of her. 

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On 9/26/2024 at 6:50 AM, MsJamieDornan said:

Very annoying he gets as much publicity as he gets. Sleazeball.

Why is Gleb a sleazeball? I keep noticing his resemblance to the old movie star no one here has ever heard of, Errol Flynn. 

Being good-looking has always been a social advantage. Putting Gleb & Brooks together is a no-brainer if they want sparks and googoo eyes. 

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To me Gleb is the kind of guy who is getting high on his own supply

He is a good looking guy and he's done Chippendales so he knows that works for him.
He tells an interviewer he prefers an attractive partner.

He's now got Brooks who is all in with the showmance. Is it developing into the real thing? I'm not sure but it is a turn off for some who know he's a dad who left Mom because of cheating. That shouldn't affect what he's doing now but Are his kids okay with this?  
 

Regardless  He's got exactly what he wanted from the producers. Is this angle working for him especially since Derek has decided he will go full Goodman on the playas this season? Taking liberties with teaching proper technique because  it was convenient just to do a Tango hold that she learned two weeks ago? 

I'm not upset at anyone thinking he's a sleaze. I just hate that people who are perceived as beautiful really take advantage of it.

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On 9/25/2024 at 10:44 PM, PhD-Purgatory15 said:

Chandler is totally the ringiest ringer of the season. However she has Brandon who isn't a particularly well liked pro. He also couldn't get Tinashe or Jodie Sweetin past about the middle of the season so I'm not convinced yet that she's a lock for the finale even if she ultimately gets the first 9s and 10s of the season..

FWIW, it was Keo who partnered Jodie Sweetin. I do think Brandon's partners get lost in the mix partly because Brandon himself isn't very memorable. A nice guy, but lacking some screen presence and charisma of other pros.

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Regarding Brandon-I'd  rather see a beautifully choreographed piece instead of Val strutting around unbuttoning his shirt and do next to no Foxtrot with his celebrity. But this is how farcical this show has become. It's never about the dancing even though some pros like Brandon and Daniella are working their asses off for their celebrity. Others are just using sex to promote themselves and aren't training the celeb. This is why it's become such a bore

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2 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

Regarding Brandon-I'd  rather see a beautifully choreographed piece instead of Val strutting around unbuttoning his shirt and do next to no Foxtrot with his celebrity. But this is how farcical this show has become. It's never about the dancing even though some pros like Brandon and Daniella are working their asses off for their celebrity. Others are just using sex to promote themselves and aren't training the celeb. This is why it's become such a bore

My issue with Brandon is that his creativity as a choreographer is really limited.

Full disclosure I am not a fan or Phaedra, and I thought her a Val’s foxtrot was not very good. She didn’t actually do a lot of dancing, it was about him and his dancing.

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On 9/26/2024 at 6:26 AM, TVMovieBuff said:

I had secondhand embarrassment for Ezra. He reacted to Anna's "Nothing". He probably felt how much he tried to make her look good, and that is his reward. Don't worry Ezra, we think none the less of you, because of her. 

I actually wondered if Anna hired a writer to give her that going-away line. "Nothing," could mean that she's a felon and a thief...but not "stealing" anything from this show.  If that was it...it sure fell flat.

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I keep hearing how Brandon sucks as a choreographer but I really liked his first two dances, the Rumba in particular was so beautiful. That choreography demonstrated that I preferred a fully clothed partnership. I think there's a built in bias against him because he doesn't take his shirt off at the drop of a hat. I know they won't go far but it's not because of his choreography. People prefer the others because of their careers as athletes and bachelors. She has the least views on social media, well before the competition began and people gravitate to their favourite. I won't be watching once she and Dwight go. 

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On 9/25/2024 at 8:45 PM, lavenderblue said:

Yeah, who is the audience for this?? I hated the Rylee/Harry business last year,* but you kind of understand that it's a trope that a segment of viewers, and Rylee and Harry's own fans outside the show, ate up (sweet girl tames bad boy blah blah blah). This is just "dance pro notorious for sleazy choreo and an allegedly checkered romantic history" + "Sports Illustrated model who might be dating Tom Brady." Who among the DWTS demographic has asked for this? Who has wanted this? 

Yes, I wonder this as well. I imagine the studio audience is being cued to giggle and gasp or cheer for this nonsense, but is anyone at home really invested in them as a showmance? I felt like Derek almost directly addressed the fakeness of it when he said "wait, is THIS the showmance" to Phaedra and Val, as if there's one designated every season.

Gleb is good looking, but there is something so slimy looking about him that the attractiveness is negated. And if all we're going to get from her is giggling and double entendres, then there's really no reason to get invested in her as a person. Can't get to know someone's personality when it's nothing but this crap.

Not surprised to see Anna go, but really thought it was gonna be Reggie or Eric going with her. Tori going eariy isn't a huge surprise either though, she wasn't a great dancer and not sure who her voting demographic would be. Even back in the height of 90210 days, Donna Martin wasn't really the breakout character.

I thought Joey was much better this week, he started off a bit awkward but he picked up speed halfway through and it was genuinely good. And his personality is right in the sweet spot for this show, he's like a sweet puppy dog, kind of a Grocery Store Joe but with actual dancing ability.

Chandler is clearly the best dancer, far and away, but this season has quite a few other potentially interesting contenders, so once some of the dead weight is cleared, it should be a good season.

I felt very bad for Ilona after her dance. Much as she leaned into the joke of having her lift Alan, the expression on her face during the judging and especially upstairs standing next to Julianne looked like she was struggling with it. It can't be easy to be her size as a woman, even as an accomplished athlete. This culture (speaking collectively) really values one thing in women and it's not personality, athleticism, or intelligence. You can have all of those things, as long as you look like Julianne or Brooks or Witney, etc. 

 

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43 minutes ago, ljenkins782 said:

Yes, I wonder this as well. I imagine the studio audience is being cued to giggle and gasp or cheer for this nonsense, but is anyone at home really invested in them as a showmance? I felt like Derek almost directly addressed the fakeness of it when he said "wait, is THIS the showmance" to Phaedra and Val, as if there's one designated every season.

Gleb is good looking, but there is something so slimy looking about him that the attractiveness is negated. And if all we're going to get from her is giggling and double entendres, then there's really no reason to get invested in her as a person. Can't get to know someone's personality when it's nothing but this crap.

Not surprised to see Anna go, but really thought it was gonna be Reggie or Eric going with her. Tori going eariy isn't a huge surprise either though, she wasn't a great dancer and not sure who her voting demographic would be. Even back in the height of 90210 days, Donna Martin wasn't really the breakout character.

I thought Joey was much better this week, he started off a bit awkward but he picked up speed halfway through and it was genuinely good. And his personality is right in the sweet spot for this show, he's like a sweet puppy dog, kind of a Grocery Store Joe but with actual dancing ability.

Chandler is clearly the best dancer, far and away, but this season has quite a few other potentially interesting contenders, so once some of the dead weight is cleared, it should be a good season.

I felt very bad for Ilona after her dance. Much as she leaned into the joke of having her lift Alan, the expression on her face during the judging and especially upstairs standing next to Julianne looked like she was struggling with it. It can't be easy to be her size as a woman, even as an accomplished athlete. This culture (speaking collectively) really values one thing in women and it's not personality, athleticism, or intelligence. You can have all of those things, as long as you look like Julianne or Brooks or Witney, etc. 

 

I thought Ilona looked hot as hell in her leotard and very trim/shapely.  It's the shoulders that make her look less traditionally feminine.  She is gorgeous IMO.  maybe she needs a better stylist?

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2 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Yes, I wonder this as well. I imagine the studio audience is being cued to giggle and gasp or cheer for this nonsense, but is anyone at home really invested in them as a showmance? I felt like Derek almost directly addressed the fakeness of it when he said "wait, is THIS the showmance" to Phaedra and Val, as if there's one designated every season.

Gleb is good looking, but there is something so slimy looking about him that the attractiveness is negated. And if all we're going to get from her is giggling and double entendres, then there's really no reason to get invested in her as a person. Can't get to know someone's personality when it's nothing but this crap.

Not surprised to see Anna go, but really thought it was gonna be Reggie or Eric going with her. Tori going eariy isn't a huge surprise either though, she wasn't a great dancer and not sure who her voting demographic would be. Even back in the height of 90210 days, Donna Martin wasn't really the breakout character.

I thought Joey was much better this week, he started off a bit awkward but he picked up speed halfway through and it was genuinely good. And his personality is right in the sweet spot for this show, he's like a sweet puppy dog, kind of a Grocery Store Joe but with actual dancing ability.

Chandler is clearly the best dancer, far and away, but this season has quite a few other potentially interesting contenders, so once some of the dead weight is cleared, it should be a good season.

I felt very bad for Ilona after her dance. Much as she leaned into the joke of having her lift Alan, the expression on her face during the judging and especially upstairs standing next to Julianne looked like she was struggling with it. It can't be easy to be her size as a woman, even as an accomplished athlete. This culture (speaking collectively) really values one thing in women and it's not personality, athleticism, or intelligence. You can have all of those things, as long as you look like Julianne or Brooks or Witney, etc. 

 

This is why we NEED Ilona. To show that despite any preconceived stereotypes, capable women come in all shapes & sizes. Like it or not, that is the truth of it. If someone doesn't like it, they are wrong, not the woman. 

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21 hours ago, Andiethewestie said:

I keep hearing how Brandon sucks as a choreographer but I really liked his first two dances, the Rumba in particular was so beautiful. That choreography demonstrated that I preferred a fully clothed partnership. I think there's a built in bias against him because he doesn't take his shirt off at the drop of a hat

For me, and I only starting watching the show a few years ago, Brandon has absolutely beautiful Rumbas and is an amazing dancing. In other dancing styles I find his choreography to be boring. i appreciate a nice 6 pack on a male dancer, but I’m okay if it doesn’t happen

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9 hours ago, TVMovieBuff said:

This is why we NEED Ilona. To show that despite any preconceived stereotypes, capable women come in all shapes & sizes. Like it or not, that is the truth of it. If someone doesn't like it, they are wrong, not the woman. 

It's possible the viewers need Ilona, but SHE needs to know that talent and self-confidence can be demonstrated quietly.  You're a big beautiful woman--just show us your talent.  Don't let Production create something you're not.

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9 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

It's possible the viewers need Ilona, but SHE needs to know that talent and self-confidence can be demonstrated quietly.  You're a big beautiful woman--just show us your talent.  Don't let Production create something you're not.

Or maybe this is who she is and that shouldn’t be dimmed to “fit in”.

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3 hours ago, DEL901 said:

Or maybe this is who she is and that shouldn’t be dimmed to “fit in”.

I think you're both right and we need to watch and figure it out.  I really hope they bring out her range and stop playing her performances for laughs.

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On 9/28/2024 at 1:54 PM, TVMovieBuff said:

This is why we NEED Ilona. To show that despite any preconceived stereotypes, capable women come in all shapes & sizes. Like it or not, that is the truth of it. If someone doesn't like it, they are wrong, not the woman. 

Yes, they do. However, it's not valued and that was my point. It's not easy to be the spokesperson and to have to try to convince people to value you as you are and she looked uncomfortable after that routine, like she felt like the punchline.

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On 9/24/2024 at 9:41 PM, dizzyd said:

Haha, Brooks and Gleb not even pretending there’s no extracurricular activities going on outside of 9-5. Not a bad QS. 🤣, Gleb calls it getting into character! 😉

Is Gleb still married?

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DWTS has had many controversial "stars" competing. I think what bothers me about Anna on the show, is she is ONLY famous because of her crimes. She's not really redeeming herself because she wasn't anyone beforehand to anyone. So she has nothing to redeem, unlike other stars that need redemption, like Paula Deen and Tonya Harding. 

That said, I think that some of the controversial stars that were on had MUCH worse crimes than Anna, where people were seriously injured and the crimes were violent. Paul Deen made racist comments, which, to me, hate crimes are inexcusable, even if what she said wasn't a crime per se, her comments came from a place of hate, which is IMO, not redeemable. Floyd Mayweather plead guilty of domestic violence. Others just aren't well liked, like Sean Spicer. But Anna is really only famous for being a con artist. Very weird casting. She isn't a celebrity, has no personality, no charisma, and nothing to say. She has no experience with winning over audiences and being likable. 

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18 hours ago, ljenkins782 said:

Yes, they do. However, it's not valued and that was my point. It's not easy to be the spokesperson and to have to try to convince people to value you as you are and she looked uncomfortable after that routine, like she felt like the punchline.

I think I am getting it! On the first night, I thought they could have given Ilona a costume more suited to her. It looked like she kept pulling at it. They should have put her in a costume designed for a bigger woman. It can be done, A costume that fits well, flatters and still looks sexy. While not trying to hide her real physique. 

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On 9/28/2024 at 10:20 PM, Stats Queen said:

Brandon has absolutely beautiful Rumbas and is an amazing dancing

He does and maybe he will never be the sex for sale Chmerkovskiy and I am fine with that.  I prefer to just watch dancing and not all the extraneous "choreography" that's really just bullshit not ballroom. All the theatrics in the world can't take a way from well executed technique. I miss Len but even he was bullied into giving higher scores because people "felt" good after their dance. This isn't my favourite show anymore. I know Chandler will go early since Brandon isn't into bodice ripping,   The show has changed too much  and it's a shame dance suffers.  For context I watch Louis and Sabrina's Quickstep and it was glorious in hold all the way through. No sex, no breaking hold, no weird dance position. Just dance 

 

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On 9/29/2024 at 8:38 PM, bravofan27 said:

Very weird casting. She isn't a celebrity, has no personality, no charisma, and nothing to say. She has no experience with winning over audiences and being likable. 

Plus those other contestants (Deen, Harding, Mayweather) were famous for something prior to their crimes. They actually were celebrities in their chosen field. Whereas Anna? Is just a criminal. That's what made her well known. 

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On 9/25/2024 at 4:14 PM, Ilovepie said:

Gleb and the model and their showmance can go. I am not here for it. Almost as icky as the criminal in my eyes. Blech. 

 

My goodness. Where have I been? Just Googled Gleb and see he and is wife parted ways in 2020.

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8 minutes ago, coffeebean said:

My goodness. Where have I been? Just Googled Gleb and see he and is wife parted ways in 2020.

Even when he was married he always seem smarmy and overly sexualized. I have never been a fan.

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5 hours ago, Ilovepie said:

Even when he was married he always seem smarmy and overly sexualized. I have never been a fan.

I agree with one exception.  Shangela seemed to bring out the best in him.  

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Nothing on this show has ever bothered me less than the possibility of Gleb & Brooks hooking up. They are adults, single, and I don't see a problem. Cheryl Burke, on her podcast, recommends waiting til they are booted, for the ease of their dancing partnership. 

You put 2 great-looking people together in a high-stress and high-excitement situation, what do you think is going to happen? 

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18 hours ago, DEL901 said:

I agree with one exception.  Shangela seemed to bring out the best in him.  

Totally agree - the one time I was rooting for him!

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On 9/29/2024 at 7:13 PM, ams1001 said:

According to wikipedia, they "decided to part ways" in 2020.

Yes, I saw that after I posted this question. Thank you. Silly me. The internet always has the answers.

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On 10/3/2024 at 9:40 AM, TVMovieBuff said:

Nothing on this show has ever bothered me less than the possibility of Gleb & Brooks hooking up. They are adults, single, and I don't see a problem. Cheryl Burke, on her podcast, recommends waiting til they are booted, for the ease of their dancing partnership. 

You put 2 great-looking people together in a high-stress and high-excitement situation, what do you think is going to happen? 

I couldn't care less what they actually do. My issue (and I think most people's) is that I actually don't think there's anything organic happening there and it's the show who keeps trying to foist the showmance angle on the audience as if anyone is really invested in these 2 people's personal lives. 

I'd never heard of her before this and the show isn't making it easy to find out anything about her as a person by doing nothing but winking and nudging about the possibility of her hooking up with her partner.

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On 10/2/2024 at 1:17 PM, Ilovepie said:

Even when he was married he always seem smarmy and overly sexualized. I have never been a fan.

Gleb has always been extremely good looking, even as a young 20 year old. I think because he married so young-- 23 or something like that, and then was divorced in his late 30's, he's kind of making up for lost time. A little arrested development. But, hey, he seems sweet-- just married way too young IMO. Regarding Brandon, he definitely has a baby face, but he might end up being really great looking as he ages. Look at Derek-- he looked like a little funny elf when he started, and now he's gorgeous.

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