Jinger and Jeremy Vuolo

[Madtown]

Dear Jinger,

My husband and I have no children and we are far from selfish. We chose to not have children for several reasons, none of which you deserve to know. What I will tell you, is that I dedicated my career to children.

Ever since I started babysitting at 15, I knew I wanted to work with children. I was part of a co-op in high school, where I worked in a daycare center in the afternoons. I volunteered at our church nursery from about the age of 16, through my early 20's.

I worked in daycare for years after high school and I was also a nanny. In the early 2000's, I started watching kids in our home(no more than 2)and I fully retired almost 9 years ago.

The last child I watched is almost 15 and the child I watched before her and when I started watching the last one, just turned 20. They still come over to my house and we have girls day and they are very good friends, almost like sisters. I'm also coming out of retirement to watch the sibling of the last child I watched.

So don't you dare call us or anyone else that chose to not have kids, selfish. You have no idea why someone is childless.

You want selfish, look at your parents. Having a billion kids they can't afford, so they throw you on TV to make money. They made you and your sisters, basically take care of each other, while the boys did basically anything they wanted.

Your lack of education and your mother basically telling you that your only job is to reproduce, explains why you would think anyone without children is selfish.

 

[Notabug]

Some of us simply didn't have children due to our circumstances.  During my most fertile years, I worked 80+ hours a week, delivering other people's children ironically enough.  I was not in a committed relationship and could not see bringing a child into the world without a partner to help raise them since my job was so demanding.  I also came from a 2 parent home, my father was amazing, and I think every kid deserves a chance at having 2 parents to help raise them.  Single parenthood can work well for some people, but it wasn't something I wanted to do. 

My sister was in a long term relationship/eventual engagement to a guy who was bipolar and she stood by him as his illness progressed and he spiraled, he was unable to accept the idea he was mentally ill and needed lifetime meds.  By the time she had to break things off to save her own sanity, she was 40ish and the ship has now long since sailed.  She sacrificed a lot to take care of the man she loved and part of that was remaining childless.

Our stories are not unique, nor do they indicate selfishness.  Selfish is looking down on others because their life choices do not conform to yours.

Edited October 16 by Notabug

[Suzn]

Whenever that claim is made that not having children is selfish, many people feel the need to justify their childlessness.  I think the topic needs to be flipped and the question is: what is selfless about having children?

What is the net benefit to society of having children?

Most often people have children as a benefit to themselves.  Fulfilling the societal and family expectations brings approval and attention.

I could go on at length about how it can be selfish to have children,  but my main point is to ask the people who call childless people selfish to defend how selfless they are with their choices.

[Future Cat Lady]

If someone doesn’t want children for selfish reasons, it’s their choice and nobody else’s business.

[precious pupp]

2 hours ago, Madtown said:

Dear Jinger,

My husband and I have no children and we are far from selfish. We chose to not have children for several reasons, none of which you deserve to know. What I will tell you, is that I dedicated my career to children.

Ever since I started babysitting at 15, I knew I wanted to work with children. I was part of a co-op in high school, where I worked in a daycare center in the afternoons. I volunteered at our church nursery from about the age of 16, through my early 20's.

I worked in daycare for years after high school and I was also a nanny. In the early 2000's, I started watching kids in our home(no more than 2)and I fully retired almost 9 years ago.

The last child I watched is almost 15 and the child I watched before her and when I started watching the last one, just turned 20. They still come over to my house and we have girls day and they are very good friends, almost like sisters. I'm also coming out of retirement to watch the sibling of the last child I watched.

So don't you dare call us or anyone else that chose to not have kids, selfish. You have no idea why someone is childless.

You want selfish, look at your parents. Having a billion kids they can't afford, so they throw you on TV to make money. They made you and your sisters, basically take care of each other, while the boys did basically anything they wanted.

Your lack of education and your mother basically telling you that your only job is to reproduce, explains why you would think anyone without children is selfish.

 

Bravo.  You sound a lot like my daughter, who loves kids, but chose not to have them.  Great post!

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, Future Cat Lady said:

If someone doesn’t want children for selfish reasons, it’s their choice and nobody else’s business.

Exactly.  And some of us just aren't kid people which is ok.  We don't ask women to justify why they are having kids so we need to stop pondering why they aren't.

Jinger seems to be lacking in empathy for situations well outside of her reality.

[graybrown bird]

How would a child raised in the Dugger cult acquire empathy?  It's just so sad to see its lack in the now -adult children.  Put yourself in someone else's shoes for just a few minutes every day, Jinger!  Your heart and mind will expand if you can learn just a bit of compassion for what others are experiencing.

[emma675]

Jinger and Jeremy can dress themselves and their lives up as pretty as they want to try and hide what we all know - they are the same hateful, bigoted, judgemental people they've always been. Fuck you, Jinger. A woman's decision to have kids or not have kids is nobody's business but hers. And our culture doesn't hate kids, we hate the narrative that society should cater to those who have them, that people without them are meaningless, and that a woman's only purpose in life is to bear children. 

[precious pupp]

I get an email daily from Amazon, telling me the Kindle Daily Deals.  Today I happened to notice that a book was written by Jeremy's idol, MacArthur, titled MacArthur's Quick Reference Guide to the Bible, for $1.99.

No sale.

[EmeraldGirl]

Jinger is in an ivory tower. Her family fell into money, and then she fell into money. She doesn’t have to struggle thinking of how to put food on the table for these kids.

As I’ve said before, I wanted my kids to have the best life they could possibly have. We were not millionaires, so in order to get that I only had two kids. Education, good schools, good friends, clothes, food, everything that comes with raising kids. I didn’t want them to worry or want for anything because I brought them into this world without their permission.

Luckily, I never had to struggle like many mothers do. Working more than one job, perhaps an abusive home. all the terrible things that can happen after you’ve had the baby, and then think to bring more into that world.

 Not everyone is that lucky or makes the best decisions. It’s beyond selfish to bring children into an unsafe or unstable life. Or as mentioned, some people just aren’t into children. My sister had little patience for kids - even mine. So why on earth would she have children? Her babies were her horses and her cats, and luckily it stayed that way because she knew herself and what she needed to do.

I wish they would’ve gone into surrogacy or in vitro. I’m sure this wonderful science that they love because you can see that a baby is a baby, can also give the hopeless a chance to have the family that they want.

 

[libgirl2]

I have my son from my first marriage. I never really wanted more than one or two. I had a hysterectomy and never got around to the second. Hardly my fault. My husband now never had any kids. He is fine with having a stepson and had no urge to have any biological kids. He just isn't a kid person and quite frankly, neither am I. I adore my son and am happy I had him. He was enough. And I'm an only child as my mom felt the same and she was one of 5. 

[Future Cat Lady]

The worst part is that The Vuolos are the kind of people who are against any programs helping children and parents like free healthcare or free lunches.

[AstridM]

4 minutes ago, Future Cat Lady said:

The worst part is that The Vuolos are the kind of people who are against any programs helping children and parents like free healthcare or free lunches.

And they do absolutely no volunteer work in their community, AFAIK 🤬.

[GeeGolly]

I just watched part of the video. My take was Jinger feels judged as being selfish for only having two (soon to be three) kids. That each family needs to do what is right for them, including asking God.

[Tuxcat]

On 10/16/2024 at 6:40 AM, GeeGolly said:

I have to give them credit for saying they'd like a boy. Jeremy said something like, they're curious about raising a boy, but being a girl dad is great. 

At the same time at least they didn't go as far as Erin Bates who had her kids pray for a boy.

On their podcast Jeremy said Felicity had been praying for a boy lol. At least they didn't tell her to do it (although Jer may have been dream whispering to her at night 'pray for a boy, pray for a boy')

[quarks]

1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

I just watched part of the video. My take was Jinger feels judged as being selfish for only having two (soon to be three) kids. That each family needs to do what is right for them, including asking God.

Judgement from her parents, perhaps?

[Kiss my mutt]

And this is one of the many reasons I groan when I hear another Duggar pregnancy announcement. 

[oliviabenson]

10 minutes ago, Kiss my mutt said:

And this is one of the many reasons I groan when I hear another Duggar pregnancy announcement. 

Jason is next. He's been married long enough to impregnate his wife.

[Salacious Kitty]

Don't forget Jana! She got married before Jason. 

[EmeraldGirl]

Even though I hated most of what they had to say, I don’t think Ginger (not correcting it and don’t care) is free indeed at all.

I think Jeremy wants a boy, and is phrasing it as selfish not to have more children. I’m sure her parents are wondering why there aren’t more kids, andwhat kind of Hocus Pocus they’re playing with birth control. Jessa doesn’t seem to be stopping, and we know they are BFFs. Jeremy and Ben fancy themselves as preachers. They will make the decisions in the family, and what kind of family they have. even though Jessa seems more dominant than submissive, they still have that old-time religion in their heads. It doesn’t go away just like that, no matter how much you claim that you are free and disentangled. 

[Salacious Kitty]

If it's a boy, look for Calvin as a middle name. 

Or a Junior to boost Jer's ego. 

Edited October 18 by Salacious Kitty

[andromeda331]

13 hours ago, AstridM said:

And they do absolutely no volunteer work in their community, AFAIK 🤬.

Nope they do nothing for anyone. But they take, take and take. Her parents' and others in her church and her parents' church have many children as they can who they then raised to be with no education and no skills and no way to support and take care of each other. They offer nothing to society and insure the government will end up having to take care off them. Society pays their medical bills because their uninsure and won't pay. They rely on other people who give the money and stuff. They never repay the favor or do the same to others.

[GeeGolly]

Its all baby steps. None of the non-Duggar husbands grew up quiverfull, but the Duggar daughters did. I'm sure Jinger judged herself as being selfish for using birth control, in addition to her family judging her for not having kid after kid. 

They mentioned Jed. If the twin girls are born before Truett's May birthday, they will have 4 kids with the oldest being 2 years old - if only for a brief time.

That is what Jinger and her sisters envisioned their lives to be, yet only Jessa is following in her parents' footsteps. It'll be interesting to see what Jana does.

[Salacious Kitty]

Katey's twins are due in January, but we all know that twins rarely go full term. They will probably be born in December, so 4 under 3 for about 6 months! That's what nightmares are made of. I predict she will be the first to have a laundry room breakdown. 

Jinger girl, don't feel guilty for not going down that road. 

[Gemma Violet]

Jinger said Jed and Katie will have four kids under two.  (Well, not exactly two years--more like two and a half years.)  Jeremy looked up Tru's birthdate and he said it was in May 2022.  And then Nora was next.  (They didn't say her birthdate.)

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Katey's twins are due in January

So in January, they will have two newborns, a 2 1/2 year-old (approximately), and a one-year-old (approximately).  (Or maybe Nora will be 1 1/2.)  

When Jinger said four under two, at first, I thought she meant four under 24 months, but she wasn't speaking of literally two years--just not having reached 3 yet.

It makes my head spin to think of four kids in the span of 2 years and 8 months.  It's like having a permanent day care center in your house.

Edited October 18 by Gemma Violet

[Chaos Theory]

Jill really was a carney is a part life wasn’t she?   She was likely given/donated those dresses and after wearing them once and getting the Rod holy stank on them she is selling them online.

You have got to at least admire the gall.   

[AstridM]

8 hours ago, EmeraldGirl said:

Even though I hated most of what they had to say, I don’t think Ginger (not correcting it and don’t care) is free indeed at all.

I think Jeremy wants a boy, and is phrasing it as selfish not to have more children. I’m sure her parents are wondering why there aren’t more kids, andwhat kind of Hocus Pocus they’re playing with birth control. Jessa doesn’t seem to be stopping, and we know they are BFFs. Jeremy and Ben fancy themselves as preachers. They will make the decisions in the family, and what kind of family they have. even though Jessa seems more dominant than submissive, they still have that old-time religion in their heads. It doesn’t go away just like that, no matter how much you claim that you are free and disentangled. 

Oh, she has NEVER been free. 

[GeeGolly]

6 minutes ago, AstridM said:

Oh, she has NEVER been free. 

But she is freer than she has ever been before. She is on record stating the things she is doing differently, beyond clothing changes. Her critical thinking has been unlocked. Once its unlocked there is no going back.

And she didn't criticize others for not having children - she said she was the one being called selfish for controlling her family size.

[Tasya]

I was puzzled by the first spate of responses because I also heard her saying that she felt as if she was or would be judged as selfish for not having the expected 15 kids. Now they did veer into pro-life talking points, but that's to be expected and I won't debate that here because everyone's entitled to their own opinion. 

But on the kids versus no kids front, she mentioned that she was raised to think that people who didn't have a bunch of kids must be selfish or hate kids and how that was a struggle for her to reconcile (paraphrasing here). 

[GeeGolly]

1 hour ago, Tasya said:

I was puzzled by the first spate of responses because I also heard her saying that she felt as if she was or would be judged as selfish for not having the expected 15 kids. Now they did veer into pro-life talking points, but that's to be expected and I won't debate that here because everyone's entitled to their own opinion. 

But on the kids versus no kids front, she mentioned that she was raised to think that people who didn't have a bunch of kids must be selfish or hate kids and how that was a struggle for her to reconcile (paraphrasing here). 

I hadn't listened to the video when I responded. I quickly changed my stance when I realized what she said.

[oliviabenson]

I don't get having all these kids in 2-3 years. Kati is not ok. I do not know why she is in such rush. And since it's 1 boy I see her being pregnant by summer 2025. 

[precious pupp]

8 minutes ago, oliviabenson said:

I don't get having all these kids in 2-3 years. Kati is not ok. I do not know why she is in such rush. And since it's 1 boy I see her being pregnant by summer 2025. 

And she has to sleep with creepy-looking Jed!  Ew.

[oliviabenson]

12 minutes ago, precious pupp said:

And she has to sleep with creepy-looking Jed!  Ew.

He really looks like Joshua. No wonder Jim replaced Joshua with Jed as his favorite son.

[CalicoKitty]

13 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Jinger said Jed and Katie will have four kids under two.  (Well, not exactly two years--more like two and a half years.)  Jeremy looked up Tru's birthdate and he said it was in May 2022.  And then Nora was next.  (They didn't say her birthdate.)

So in January, they will have two newborns, a 2 1/2 year-old (approximately), and a one-year-old (approximately).  (Or maybe Nora will be 1 1/2.)  

When Jinger said four under two, at first, I thought she meant four under 24 months, but she wasn't speaking of literally two years--just not having reached 3 yet.

It makes my head spin to think of four kids in the span of 2 years and 8 months.  It's like having a permanent day care center in your house.

At our (non-fundy) church, we had a family that had 3 kids in one year.  One in January, and twins in December.  As I recall, that was their complete family.

[Gemma Violet]

Since I was the one who first posted the selfish comment, I went back and relistened to determine if I had misheard.  This is the exact quote by Jinger (bolding mine).  It starts at the 16:46 mark:

". . . I thought I probably would have a ton of kids and so it wasn't until like I came out of that theology and realizing like, OK, children are a blessing from the Lord, that is true, and we want to value children because God does, and then at the same time, I think like just what does that mean, you know, like looking at the world around us, the culture, they're like, they hate children a lot of times.  You'll see there's like I'm not gonna have kids  because I just wanna live my life myself or I wanna be able to go where I want to go when I wanna go there and a lot of the selfishness you can see there.  We don't want that to drive our reason for how many kids we have, but then also like, responsibly, I wanna see and look at what God has created, so even with the things that God's given us to enjoy, it's like he's given us so many good gifts and just because children are also a gift from God doesn't mean that we have to have as many as we can but I think just responsibly before God, asking the Lord too what he would want us to do just seeing like OK, what can we handle and like where are we together as a couple and not and not feeling like the pressure from, you know, around like other people who may have like five kids and be doing really great with that.  It's like I don't want to, you know, feel the pressure of like having to have that many kids but then, at the same time, it's like, it's also just like enjoying the children you have and then seeing like OK where would God lead us, and we don't want to have a heart that's like, like I said, selfish or thinking like, OK, I want to do just what's convenient for me but like asking God what he would have us to do."

In my opinion, the two bolded parts indicate she was calling other people selfish for not having children, but I respect it if others interpret it a different way. We'll just have to agree to disagree.  (I do agree that she's concerned about being considered selfish herself.) 

Edited October 18 by Gemma Violet

[AstridM]

1 hour ago, Gemma Violet said:

Since I was the one who first posted the selfish comment, I went back and relistened to determine if I had misheard.  This is the exact quote by Jinger (bolding mine).  It starts at the 16:46 mark:

". . . I thought I probably would have a ton of kids and so it wasn't until like I came out of that theology and realizing like, OK, children are a blessing from the Lord, that is true, and we want to value children because God does, and then at the same time, I think like just what does that mean, you know, like looking at the world around us, the culture, they're like, they hate children a lot of times.  You'll see there's like I'm not gonna have kids  because I just wanna live my life myself or I wanna be able to go where I want to go when I wanna go there and a lot of the selfishness you can see there.  We don't want that to drive our reason for how many kids we have, but then also like, responsibly, I wanna see and look at what God has created, so even with the things that God's given us to enjoy, it's like he's given us so many good gifts and just because children are also a gift from God doesn't mean that we have to have as many as we can but I think just responsibly before God, asking the Lord too what he would want us to do just seeing like OK, what can we handle and like where are we together as a couple and not and not feeling like the pressure from, you know, around like other people who may have like five kids and be doing really great with that.  It's like I don't want to, you know, feel the pressure of like having to have that many kids but then, at the same time, it's like, it's also just like enjoying the children you have and then seeing like OK where would God lead us, and we don't want to have a heart that's like, like I said, selfish or thinking like, OK, I want to do just what's convenient for me but like asking God what he would have us to do."

In my opinion, the two bolded parts indicate she was calling other people selfish for not having children, but I respect it if others interpret it a different way. We'll just have to agree to disagree.  (I do agree that she's concerned about being considered selfish herself.) 

OMG, I had to stop reading after the 4th time she said “like.” 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

[precious pupp]

Way too many "likes" in that soliloquy.  I couldn't stand to be around her and hear that.

[jschoolgirl]

5 hours ago, precious pupp said:

And she has to sleep with creepy-looking Jed!  Ew.

Jason is worse.

[AstridM]

3 hours ago, precious pupp said:

Way too many "likes" in that soliloquy.  I couldn't stand to be around her and hear that.

Truly unbearable.

[Notabug]

6 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

At our (non-fundy) church, we had a family that had 3 kids in one year.  One in January, and twins in December.  As I recall, that was their complete family.

I had a patient who had triplets, long history of infertility and in vitro.  9 months later, guess what?  She conceived naturally-her husband got a vasectomy before the baby was born.  At one point, she had 4 under the age of 2.

[CalicoKitty]

50 minutes ago, Notabug said:

I had a patient who had triplets, long history of infertility and in vitro.  9 months later, guess what?  She conceived naturally-her husband got a vasectomy before the baby was born.  At one point, she had 4 under the age of 2.

That's like a frequent flyer mom in our NICU.  She had 8 kids in 3 years--triplets, twins, triplets.  I was told they were all natural pregnancies. She made the news in our area.  She also looked tired.

[Gemma Violet]

I should have removed the 'likes' and put an asterisk at the bottom saying 'all likes have been removed.'  I was so intent on getting her exact words down, I guess I went overboard.  🫤 🫢 

[Salacious Kitty]

Well, she said what she said. 😀

[quarks]

7 minutes ago, GeeGolly said:

And she didn't criticize others for not having children - she said she was the one being called selfish for controlling her family size.

At one point, JB and Michelle were talking - seriously - about reaching 200 grandchildren, or about 10 kids for each of the 19 Duggarlings, plus a few extra for some of them.

That seemed unlikely at the time, and seems even less likely now that most of the oldest Duggarlings - with the possible exceptions of Jessa and the convict -- appear to be opting for smaller families. At least, smaller than ten children families. 

Jeremy and Jinger in particular - for a time there, at least, it seemed that they would have just two kids. I wouldn't be surprised if they stop at three. I will be surprised if they have more than four.

No judgement from me. But I'm guessing at least some judgement from JB and Michelle. Partly because it's a clear rejection of the lifestyle that JB and Michelle deliberately chose - and I suspect that hurts their egos - but also because, any child that doesn't participate in this WE NEED 200 GRANDCHILDREN thing by popping out ten kids is preventing JB and Michelle from reaching that goal. That might be acceptable for Jana prior to her recent marriage, but Jinger? Married, by all appearances decently well off? Why wouldn't she have ten kids to support this 200 grandchildren goal? Why is she doing this to JB and Michelle?

So, yeah. I suspect that there's been some parental judgement/pressure/guilt tripping about Jinger's choices. 

[satrunrose]

I'll admit, I was pretty pissed, enough to step away from the forum for a few days when I first read what Jinger said. Reading the quote in context, though, I think the issue is that, while Jinger may talk a good game about becoming free, her understanding  of how the rest of the world lives is still coming out of the mouths of very conservative (male) preachers, not unlike Jill Rod who had to save her poor daughters from the debauchery of a prom. Honestly, I've never, in all my days heard anyone say they didn't have kids because they wanted to frivolously amuse themselves (wait on kids, yes, flat out never, not so much). Like all of these Duggar and Bates kids who have gone fundy-lite, I really wish Jinger would take advantage of her freedom to actually talk to a woman who opted not to have kids. She might get a bit of a surprise. 

[GeeGolly]

21 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Since I was the one who first posted the selfish comment, I went back and relistened to determine if I had misheard.  This is the exact quote by Jinger (bolding mine).  It starts at the 16:46 mark:

". . . I thought I probably would have a ton of kids and so it wasn't until like I came out of that theology and realizing like, OK, children are a blessing from the Lord, that is true, and we want to value children because God does, and then at the same time, I think like just what does that mean, you know, like looking at the world around us, the culture, they're like, they hate children a lot of times.  You'll see there's like I'm not gonna have kids  because I just wanna live my life myself or I wanna be able to go where I want to go when I wanna go there and a lot of the selfishness you can see there.  We don't want that to drive our reason for how many kids we have, but then also like, responsibly, I wanna see and look at what God has created, so even with the things that God's given us to enjoy, it's like he's given us so many good gifts and just because children are also a gift from God doesn't mean that we have to have as many as we can but I think just responsibly before God, asking the Lord too what he would want us to do just seeing like OK, what can we handle and like where are we together as a couple and not and not feeling like the pressure from, you know, around like other people who may have like five kids and be doing really great with that.  It's like I don't want to, you know, feel the pressure of like having to have that many kids but then, at the same time, it's like, it's also just like enjoying the children you have and then seeing like OK where would God lead us, and we don't want to have a heart that's like, like I said, selfish or thinking like, OK, I want to do just what's convenient for me but like asking God what he would have us to do."

Going off @satrunroseis saying, IMO the parts I bolded shows how Jinger is struggling to shake quiverfull. She's trying to come to terms with once being one of the folks who believed not having children is wrong. Jinger needs/wants/is comforted by including God in the decision. Whether she truly believes God is guiding her or she uses that as a reason not to feel selfish is up for debate.

[oliviabenson]

14 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

That's like a frequent flyer mom in our NICU.  She had 8 kids in 3 years--triplets, twins, triplets.  I was told they were all natural pregnancies. She made the news in our area.  She also looked tired.

I'd have given my husband the vasectomy myself if that was me lol. 

Have these people hear of birth control???

[Notabug]

14 hours ago, CalicoKitty said:

That's like a frequent flyer mom in our NICU.  She had 8 kids in 3 years--triplets, twins, triplets.  I was told they were all natural pregnancies. She made the news in our area.  She also looked tired.

I took care of a lady who had a baby one year, twins the next and triplets the following year.  All conceived without intervention. A tubal ligation took care of the future.  She kept seeing us for Gyn care and I must say, she was very organized and her kids were clean and neat and well-behaved, at least in our clinic.

I also took care of a patient as a resident who had a set of identical girls, natural pregnancy, one year.  She inadvertently got pregnant again within a year and was transferred to our hospital in preterm labor.  40 years ago, people, even those who'd had twins before, did not get routine ultrasounds; so, when I admitted her,  I did an ultrasound to assess the dates and position. Yup, another set of twins.  Her husband literally burst into tears as I finished the scan, 'We didn't know how we were going to handle one more!  What are we going to do with two?'. She was crying too.  Identical boys.  Weirdly, identical twins are random chance, not hereditary, so the odds were way against it.

[oliviabenson]

20 hours ago, AstridM said:

OMG, I had to stop reading after the 4th time she said “like.” 🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️🤦‍♀️

Like totally agree. I can't stand people using like or ummm every sentence. It drives me bonkers.

[LilJen]

On 10/15/2024 at 10:22 AM, auntieminem said:

Jinger is pregnant and is due in March.  She did a live this morning and which included some more video telling various family.  His parents when they visited and then  her mom and sisters who made a trip there for Jana's bridal party trip. When she was in Arkansas for the wedding she l had a test to determine gender.  She is going to be doing a gender reveal later.  

It is on YouTube   

 

Was the whole video this beige? What is it with fundies wearing non colors in a field of weeds?

On 10/16/2024 at 1:29 PM, Gemma Violet said:

It's very simple, Jinger.  If a woman is economically disadvantaged and cannot afford to give a child what it needs to grow and thrive, she is not being selfish to not have kids.  If a woman is a very nervous and impatient person and realizes that it takes the patience of a saint to raise a child, she is not being selfish to not have kids.  If a woman has to work at two jobs to make ends meet and knows she won't have time to devote to a child, she is not being selfish to not have kids.  Jinger simply cannot see things from the point of view of others, at least on this topic.

And some people desperately want children and can’t have them and cannot afford to adopt or do infertility treatments.