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A place to discuss Josh and Anna.  This is a challenging discussion for us, as Josh, 35, was found guilty of receiving and possessing child sexual abuse material in December 2021. Throughout his trial, Anna was seen supporting her husband in court. She was present for his official sentencing in May 2022, where he was ordered to serve 151 months in prison.

It is understandable to be appalled by Josh's crimes, but let's try to be respectful of each other's opinions.

Guidelines for respectful, diverse, and inclusive conversations.

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Zella
Zella

I just saw a news notification that the Supreme Court denied Josh's request to hear his appeal.

Zella
Zella

Yes I actually do have sympathies for families who find themselves in this situation. It would be heartbreaking as a parent to discover one of your kids is preying on your other children (I say that n

Notabug
Notabug

The thing is, when he was out on bail, the judge did allow his children to visit when accompanied by Anna.  Even though he lived elsewhere, there was no mention of anyone else being present to monitor

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Liddy52

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When I click on the above link, the document with the guidelines is very small on my tablet, making the print impossible for me to read. I have tried several times to enlarge it to no avail. I am not particularly tech savvy. It might be my tablet and everyone else may be able to read it easily, but I cannot. Thank you for any suggestions on how I can read this.

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14 minutes ago, Liddy52 said:

When I click on the above link, the document with the guidelines is very small on my tablet, making the print impossible for me to read. I have tried several times to enlarge it to no avail. I am not particularly tech savvy. It might be my tablet and everyone else may be able to read it easily, but I cannot. Thank you for any suggestions on how I can read this.

Its the same guidelines they have been posting recently. If you access it from the top of the Counting On home page are you able to read them?

GeeGolly

GeeGolly

I spent a couple years working exclusively with 'after incarceration' folks. Assisting with everything from getting a ride from the jail or prison, pocket money, renewing IDs, social services, clothing and obtaining housing and jobs. None of it is easy. A lot of discrimination, but also some great places and landlords who go out of their way to be supportive. But IMO, some felons should have limited ability to work, live and move about the community - Josh included.

The judge made it sound like Josh had sizable savings, whether any of that will be left in 8ish years, who knows. IMO, any support he gets from JB has less to do with JB's age and more to do with how much money JB has left.

But no doubt, unlike many of my former clients, Josh will always have a place to lay his head and food to eat, even if it feels totally unfair.

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crazy8s

crazy8s

28 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

His father? 

That would be consistent with Duggar way.

I think Justin is the only Duggar son not working for duggar enterprises or living in housing either owned by JB, or some housing on the TTH property. Josiah owns his own property and home, but possibly still works for Pops in some capacity.

TTH property - Joe, Jer, Jason James and Josh's family.

John and Jed live in housing owned by JB.

Jackson is what 19 or 20 now? maybe still in the boys dorm or in some out building on the TTH property like Jason and James are.

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Its the same guidelines they have been posting recently. If you access it from the top of the Counting On home page are you able to read them?

No, I cannot. I tried several times over the weekend and could not.  I was hoping this link might work better but unfortunately it comes up in exactly the same format.  Thanks for the suggestion,  though.

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quarks

quarks

1 hour ago, jacourt said:

They don’t have to look at every case submitted, correct?  If they don’t look at it then the lower court decisions stand. It’s been a while since 8th grade civics. 

Historically, they've reviewed about 1% of the cases appealed to them.

So it's possible that they might decide to review this case. I just don't think it's very likely. Like, about a 1% chance.

 

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Iguessnot

33 minutes ago, libgirl2 said:

That is a bit overkill. Its supposed to be fun, not a job. 

I take solace in the fact that I am old and will shed my earthy bonds sooner than later; because I cannot comprehend these new commandments. It's not rocket science yet equally beyond my reach. I'll just post here and there until they put me on an iceberg.

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2 hours ago, Liddy52 said:

When I click on the above link, the document with the guidelines is very small on my tablet, making the print impossible for me to read. I have tried several times to enlarge it to no avail. I am not particularly tech savvy. It might be my tablet and everyone else may be able to read it easily, but I cannot. Thank you for any suggestions on how I can read this.

it is 11 pages!!! 

 

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mythoughtis

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1 hour ago, GeeGolly said:

Prisons allow all day visitors?

Depends on the size of the crowd in the visitor room and how many visitors are waiting their turn to get in.  I could visit my nephew for  a few hours if there were empty tables for other visitors.  He’s out now and living a crime free life.  

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Zella

Zella

1 hour ago, mythoughtis said:

Depends on the size of the crowd in the visitor room and how many visitors are waiting their turn to get in.  I could visit my nephew for  a few hours if there were empty tables for other visitors.  He’s out now and living a crime free life.  

Yeah I know a lady whose son is in prison. State versus federal, but she gets 4-hour visits monthly with him.

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quarks

quarks

10 minutes ago, jacourt said:

Joe is married to Kendra? If that’s the case he has children the age of those involved in the videos. I don’t get how you he can be around Josh. 

I think it can be very hard to completely cut any family member out of your life, no matter what that person did. Not impossible - obviously people do this every day - but hard. There's a 2023 documentary up on HBO Max right now, Great Photo, Lovely Life, exploring this. The family knows what their father/grandfather has done, and yet....they visit him.

(Warning: I found that documentary very hard to watch, and, honestly, I'd recommend watching the Mary Tyler Moore documentary instead.)

So that's one thing. But also, the Sun just says that he visited Josh, not why he visited Josh. A prayer session? A general family visit? To get a general sense of Josh's physical/emotional well-being?

Or was it an attempt to ask Josh to stop with the court appeals after this Supreme Court thing? Or a hard discussion about family finances, with a Duggarling and a Waller coming along to verify/clarify that the Duggars/Wallers/Kellers cannot be expected to support Anna and the kids and Josh's ongoing legal bills? Joe, old enough to remember the financially tight pre-show times, and with four kids of his own, seems like a person who might want to make that argument.

Meanwhile, I can't help noting that visits from the Duggar siblings are so rare that the Sun thinks they are newsworthy. And sure, that's partly because, hey, this is the Sun, which has a different definition of "newsworthy" than I do, but it still strongly suggests that most of the Duggars aren't bothering to come and visit Josh at all.

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Albanyguy

Albanyguy

2 hours ago, quarks said:

Or a hard discussion about family finances, with a Duggarling and a Waller coming along to verify/clarify that the Duggars/Wallers/Kellers cannot be expected to support Anna and the kids and Josh's ongoing legal bills?

If Jim Bob has decided that it's time to break the news to Josh that there will be no more money for his legal bills, it would be just like him to send one of the boys along to do his dirty work for him.

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merylinkid

merylinkid

If SCOTUS denies cert (doesn't take the case) that's pretty much the end of the line.    There won't be any more legal bills.    Since he already filed for cert (request for the Supremes to take the case) there should be only minimal or even no legal bills until such time as the Supremes make a decision to take the case or not.   If they don't (which is more than likely) then that's it.   No more bills.   So that drain was ending soon already.   

Now the ongoing support of Anna and the kids, that's going to continue.   From what I gather Anna helps out around the big house, helps with the homeschooling, etc., so she does "earn her keep" so to speak.   And the kids are more minions for Jim Bob to control and raise the Duggar way which is to never question him.   Then the girls will be married off and the boys will find jobs in Duggar enterprises.

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