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S11.E05 Lake It or Break It

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goofygirl

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Just gotta say.... Lake Tahoe is beautiful!! So is that lakehouse Schwartz rented!!

Not sure if Sandoval is all that sorry for his misdoings, after his outburst at LVP's new restaurant.  He just seems like a fake to me.  He may ALWAYS feel like a faker to me, though.  Hard to trust anything that comes out of his mouth.

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Gharlane

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"Lake It Or Break It". Katie and Ariana decide not to join the group on their trip to Lake Tahoe; James and Sandoval have a talk that could ruin the peace.

I might have nodded off while watching this one. I don't remember anything very interesting happening, but at least they didn't get into a big fight.

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Carolina Girl

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SHUT UP Lisa!  Why does James have to say something nice about Sandoval?  Why does ANYONE have to say something nice about Sandoval?  Especially after his hitting the wall was nothing but more whining about the horrible way people are treating him.  

Sandoval probably thought that when filming resumed that he and Rachel would have their own story arc as an alernate couple with Schwartz and those D-list Bravo attention-whores.  Now that she's refusing to return, he's got more of a "cheese stands alone" vibe and is desperate to get back.

My guess is that they are going to build up to this moment when Sandoval and Ariana are suddenly caught in a situation where they MUST interact.  Frankly the whole living in the same house is nothing but contrived bullshit to give some semblance of tension to all this and it's a snoozer.    

 

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whydoievencare

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 I'm only a few minutes in and wondering if I can tolerate watching the Toms and the bullshit that comes out of their mouths.  Also too, Scheana wants to stay in Ariana's good graces but really wants to go on the trip - such a good friend, right?

 

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princelina

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23 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

SHUT UP Lisa!  Why does James have to say something nice about Sandoval?  Why does ANYONE have to say something nice about Sandoval?  Especially after his hitting the wall was nothing but more whining about the horrible way people are treating him.  

I just think it's hilarious that Lisa is reduced to sharing a table with these guys and trying to facilitate the awkward conversation 😂.   Gone is the Lady of the Manor who swans past the table telling them to "behave themselves" as she goes on her way 😂

As for Sandy, I think he's sorry in his own way, because things have turned out badly for him and he knows it's his fault; unfortunately "his own way" includes an inability to apologize - I was shocked when he said it to James!  That being said, I don't expect him to sit around getting lectured for the rest of his life by people he wouldn't even be friends with if it weren't for this show!  There's only so much anyone can say to someone who has hurt them - then you have to forgive the person or forget them and get on with your life.

Still waiting to see this sandwich shop 😃

 

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IntrovertRed

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I wish I felt Sandoval was sincere, but I don’t believe a word he says. I thought Brock made some good points when speaking with Tom.  Schwartz isn’t much better. They certainly deserve each other. In real life, this friend group would naturally split and never hang out. But their job is to “hang out”, so we get to watch this boring shitshow of many unlikeable people. 

It took me time to trust non-family with my kids, but it also seems like Brock does most of the parenting, so there’s a weird disconnect there.  So her mom is over all the time and then guilts Scheana?  Why don’t we see that, or is that only when cameras are not around. I think that Scheana could benefit from therapy for her anxiety to complement the meds she’s taking.  

What is Sandoval’s issue with Lala?  His anger towards her seems misplaced to me. 

 

 

 

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princelina

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41 minutes ago, IntrovertRed said:

What is Sandoval’s issue with Lala?  His anger towards her seems misplaced to me. 

I think mostly because she was such a maniac at the reunion.  I could see Ariana's point, obviously, and even James' because James loved him and Raquel at one time, but old "Lala" had no business to be constantly screeching at him like that.  And then I have learned from this show that she was carrying on about him on a podcast she apparently has.  

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ZettaK

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Why was Lala cleaning her kitchen counters in a hoodie that covers most of her face?

So, Lisa's Lake Tahoe restaurant (which is on the Nevada side, and not California for tax reasons, etc.) is going to be mediocre, or less like all her restaurants.

Scheana has the Ozempic face (she also said in a previous episode that she was accused of having the injections). The nanny made a joke about Ozempic when she showed a toy needle to Summer Moon, and Brock was not pleased. 

Ariana's extensions look horrible.

Graham/Hippie needs some training, that's all. 

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dancingdreamer

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I love Lisa's new restaurant, it will be a good fit  in Lake Tahoe. I think  Graham/ Hippie will settle  down now he's with James. 

Do I think Sandoval  is legit when he said sorry to James, I did actually.  Those two were close, now Sandoval  has to earn back his trust. James isn't  the push over he once was.

I felt second hand embarrassment  , when Scheana and Brock were arguing,  that poor girl didn't  know where to look. I still don't  like Brock, and that speedo was way too small. I was very careful  who I let babysit  my children.  I had no family near me, and today I hear more things about babysitters  that are weird. I think Scheana's  mum is a perfect  sitter for when they go out of town.

 

I didn't  miss Katie or Ariana this episode.

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Gharlane

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5 hours ago, Emmeline said:

It looks like trouble in paradise for Brock and Sheana.  It seems as though Brock cares for Summer the majority of the time.  

I thought the issue was with her mother always being there to help take care of their child.

4 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

My guess is that they are going to build up to this moment when Sandoval and Ariana are suddenly caught in a situation where they MUST interact.  Frankly the whole living in the same house is nothing but contrived bullshit to give some semblance of tension to all this and it's a snoozer.    

I expected this trip to Lake Tahoe to be the "big confrontation", so I lost a lot of interest as soon as Arianna and Katie said they weren't going. 

 

50 minutes ago, ZettaK said:

Well, the wolf was cute. 

Were those wolves? They looked like huskies to me.

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ZettaK

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Just now, Gharlane said:

I thought the issue was with her mother always being there to help take care of their child.

I expected this trip to Lake Tahoe to be the "big confrontation", so I lost a lot of interest as soon as Arianna and Katie said they weren't going. 

 

Were those wolves? They looked like huskies to me.

The larger one was. The smaller ones looked like Huskies.

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Gharlane

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4 hours ago, ZettaK said:

The larger one was. The smaller ones looked like Huskies.

I wonder where they got them for the photo shoot. Is there a "Get your picture taken with a wolf!" attraction in Lake Tahoe? 🤔

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snarts

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Scheana pinching a tiny amount of skin on her stomach and declaring she needed a one piece bathing suit was just sad. ...so was Brock's acting.

Graham/Hippy seems like such a chill pup. He doesn't scream anxious biter to me. He also appeared to be cat inquisitive, bowing to play, vs, cat aggressive which is good. I do hope that James follows through with structured training.

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Lassus

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In lame news, sadly Wolf currently still has no opening date, as per the tubes.

Also, Ally loses points for being unable to grasp that there's no way Graham is going to go after the cat to do anything but play around like a goofball.  Then again, James didn't either, so they appear to be a decent pair of dumbells.  I worry for Graham in three or four years.

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Stiggs

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I think I'm done. I won't watch the Tom / Toms show. They're both gross, I'm so disgusted by Ariana's alleged friends, and I think if I hear Sandoval's whiny, pathetic, disgusting voice once more I'll hurl. Thank god for the James/Graham moments - they were the only things that kept me from completely hurling. 

This was also boring. Tahoe looks amazing, the rent-a-wolf was beautiful. (I have no idea why TF she named her new restaurant Wolf and I don't care...) These people are awful. I was literally more interested in who paid for what furniture in the fallen house of Scandoval than I was about anything non-Graham related that was happening in Tahoe. This show is boring. It was an effort to not turn on Northern Exposure on Amazon. I doubt I'll make such valiant efforts next week. 

Not to be that bitch, but wasn't the last time James actually saw George Michael (RIP) when he was a small child? How does he have such strong memories of an unfortunately named dog? Graham Cracker is a cute name, Hippie is ... well okay, lol. The fact that Ally's cat was even out and trying to interact with the dog is a good sign. They'll work it out. My cat basically owns my giant dog now, and it's funny as hell.

If my BFF went on a Lake Tahoe trip with my ex who had just spectacularly cheated on me the way Tom did, she'd no longer be my BFF. Ariana would do herself a huge favor is she left these idiots in her rearview. None of them are her actual friends. 

Oh, really glad Lisa didn't call the wolf sexy...

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Katie W

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1 hour ago, Stiggs said:

If my BFF went on a Lake Tahoe trip with my ex who just spectacularly cheated on me the way Tom did, she'd no longer be my BFF. Ariana would do herself a huge favor is she left these idiots in her rearview. None of them are her actual friends. 

Scheana is the worst. The only person on the show that is loyal to Ariana is Katie. I can now see why the Witches of Weho always  used to say Scheana is loyal to no one. I couldn't believe her in the previews saying "I can't keep hating him for you."  WHAT? I've hated people for my BFF for a lot less than Sandavol did to Ariana.  AND he supported you getting a restraining order filed against you! He is not your friend Scheana! 

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Carolina Girl

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2 hours ago, Chatty Cake said:

Tom was quick to dispute James account of of Graham. He seems like a sweet dog! 

I think it was because it made his "love" Rachel and her family look bad.  The bitch knew that James was missing the dog and would have been happy to take him back but her family stuck it in rescue rather than give Graham to James.  

And I wouldn't put it past Sandoval and anyone connected with Rachel to lie and exaggerate to make themselves look better.  

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Gharlane

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14 minutes ago, Carolina Girl said:

I think it was because it made his "love" Rachel and her family look bad.  The bitch knew that James was missing the dog and would have been happy to take him back but her family stuck it in rescue rather than give Graham to James.  

That whole story about Rachel giving the dog to someone else, the new owner leaving it at a dog pound, and Lisa Vanderbucks just happening to be offered the dog is very suspicious to me.🤔

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Lassus

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1 hour ago, Carolina Girl said:

And I wouldn't put it past Sandoval and anyone connected with Rachel to lie and exaggerate to make themselves look better.

In fairness, I'm putting this all on Rachel's mom.  She fucked this one up entirely.  First off, having worked with rescues and dogs all my life, sure the dog could have nipped at Rachel's mom.  I think it is far more likely the mom just lied.  (EDIT: wait, I feel like there were pictures?  Or am I remembering wrong?) One of ours we got from an asshole family at six years old because they said he peed all over their house.  How many times in the last five years since the day we got him has he peed or marked inside my house, any house, anywhere inside, Lowe's, a pet store?  ZERO.

EMPATHY TIME:  I also think this poor woman had nothing to fucking do with her daughter's affair with a douchebag and now she has to be in the news, which, oy. 

There, empathy over.  Even if Graham did nip at her, so what?  Treat the dog better, figure it out, training.  Fuck that lady.

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politichick

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2 hours ago, Gharlane said:

That whole story about Rachel giving the dog to someone else, the new owner leaving it at a dog pound, and Lisa Vanderbucks just happening to be offered the dog is very suspicious to me.🤔

Wasn't Lisa contacted because Graham was chipped at her VPDogs?

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princelina

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15 hours ago, Lassus said:

In lame news, sadly Wolf currently still has no opening date, as per the tubes.

Don't worry - once the Daily Mail begs to have a party there they'll whip it into shape! 😃

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TattleTeeny

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We see like 10 minutes total per week, if that, of Brock and Scheana's home life; I really think it's impossible to ascertain from that whether Brock does "most of" the parenting. Regardless, though, one or the other is likely going to be doing most of it; rarely does anything split exactly 50/50 in couplehood. Also though, is it bad if he does? Maybe he likes it and actively wants to get in on it? Maybe his schedule makes more sense for certain parts of it? Maybe he's trying to be different in this round of fatherhood? I'm not a parent, but I'm almost certain that there's no rule that a woman has to do "most of" it. 

I hope that James and Ally changed course and tried to implement a "slow introduce" with the cat and the dog. The whole "they'll work it out on their own" plan is generally a notoriously bad one. Better to do that and find out later it wasn't necessary than the other way around.

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ButterQueen

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6 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

We see like 10 minutes total per week, if that, of Brock and Scheana's home life; I really think it's impossible to ascertain from that whether Brock does "most of" the parenting. Regardless, though, one or the other is likely going to be doing most of it; rarely does anything split exactly 50/50 in couplehood. Also though, is it bad if he does? Maybe he likes it and actively wants to get in on it? Maybe his schedule makes more sense for certain parts of it? Maybe he's trying to be different in this round of fatherhood? I'm not a parent, but I'm almost certain that there's no rule that a woman has to do "most of" it. 

I’m a parent and agree with you.  However, the problem seems to be that Scheana’s mother is at their apartment a lot and Brock isn’t happy with that.  He may do most of the childcare, but watching the scene in the bathing suit store, Scheana makes the final decisions on their child.

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TattleTeeny

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I'm just debating a viewer's ability to conclude who does most of the parenting based on what we see. 

And also based on what we see, Scheana's dealing with a neurodivergent condition that makes it difficult (and that's an understatement) for her to make changes, regardless of whether she should (and I bet that she knows perfectly well that she needs to, for her own benefit as well as her mom's, Brock's, and Summer's). But OCD is a bitch; you can logically know that something should be different, but it's not a switch that can be flipped just like that. That said, I can understand Brock wanting to be able to more freely enjoy the honeymoon phase (but being insensitive about Scheana's OCD issues is probably not the best way to get there).

As for the bathing suit store, I hope that was a routine for the camera, because he was being a real dickhole. Wait until you get in the car, dude; the bathing suit lady doesn't need to know all this!

ETA: Also, no, no, no to that swimsuit, Brock. Ooh, warn a person!

But yes, yes, yes to Graham's little curly hand-paws! I love them so much.

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JenE4

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Scheana was concerned about Brock arguing with her in public, so I can imagine how bad it must be behind closed doors. If they weren’t on a TV show in which they are required to attend group events/trips and thus need someone to watch Summer Moon, I wonder whether Brock would be as focused on going out and partying without the kid. Because I have to say it’s pretty standard for your social life to go to hell when you have kids. Considering he just up and moved to a whole different continent than his other kids, it really makes me question where Brock’s priorities are. But I think he’s moreso focused on getting his MIL out of his house. 

the conversation at the end between James and Sandoval seemed pretty genuine to me. James was most hurt because he really looked up to Sandoval and trusted him—like the only person he truly trusted in LA. That context made a bit more sense to me because otherwise I didn’t understand why James was so angry since he had already moved on with Ally be the time the affair started.

Ariana and Katie better let up on their No Toms decree or they’re going to find themselves out of a job. No one cares about your issues with the zoning board or inheriting glasses from the now defunct Pump. Everyone else is willing to play nice—or at least cordial—with Sandoval because he’s the one who kept the show from getting canceled and brought it its highest ratings and even an Emmy nomination.

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heatherchandler

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Just posting again because I am still star struck!  I realize that while we were in the casino ogling Lisa, Ken and Nick Alaine, the gang was at the restaurant we were eating at just a few hours ago!  At the same table.

And they ate at Friday’s Station!  I got engaged there.  People think I say I got engaged at “Friday’s” and I have to clarify.

 

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politichick

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2 hours ago, JenE4 said:

Scheana was concerned about Brock arguing with her in public, so I can imagine how bad it must be behind closed doors. If they weren’t on a TV show in which they are required to attend group events/trips and thus need someone to watch Summer Moon, I wonder whether Brock would be as focused on going out and partying without the kid. Because I have to say it’s pretty standard for your social life to go to hell when you have kids. Considering he just up and moved to a whole different continent than his other kids, it really makes me question where Brock’s priorities are. But I think he’s moreso focused on getting his MIL out of his house. 

the conversation at the end between James and Sandoval seemed pretty genuine to me. James was most hurt because he really looked up to Sandoval and trusted him—like the only person he truly trusted in LA. That context made a bit more sense to me because otherwise I didn’t understand why James was so angry since he had already moved on with Ally be the time the affair started.

Ariana and Katie better let up on their No Toms decree or they’re going to find themselves out of a job. No one cares about your issues with the zoning board or inheriting glasses from the now defunct Pump. Everyone else is willing to play nice—or at least cordial—with Sandoval because he’s the one who kept the show from getting canceled and brought it its highest ratings and even an Emmy nomination.

James and Sandoval were very close and the latter was always defending him when Jax and others tried to exclude James from events and trips. He also paid for half of the engagement party.

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hoodooznoodooz

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On the After Show, Schwartz asked Sandoval if he was nervous that Graham would show Sandoval a suspicious amount of affection. Sandoval laughed the way he laughed after pinching Rachel’s butt while Ariana was standing ten inches away.

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ZettaK

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23 hours ago, Gharlane said:

I wonder where they got them for the photo shoot. Is there a "Get your picture taken with a wolf!" attraction in Lake Tahoe? 🤔

The wolf could be from an attraction because it looked tame for a wolf from a sanctuary for example. The episode description under says it was a wolf. And it calls the episode the worst episode yet!

https://www.thedailybeast.com/obsessed/vanderpump-rules-recap-trip-to-lake-tahoe-is-worst-episode-yet

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ZettaK

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13 hours ago, TattleTeeny said:

We see like 10 minutes total per week, if that, of Brock and Scheana's home life; I really think it's impossible to ascertain from that whether Brock does "most of" the parenting. Regardless, though, one or the other is likely going to be doing most of it; rarely does anything split exactly 50/50 in couplehood. Also though, is it bad if he does? Maybe he likes it and actively wants to get in on it? Maybe his schedule makes more sense for certain parts of it? Maybe he's trying to be different in this round of fatherhood? I'm not a parent, but I'm almost certain that there's no rule that a woman has to do "most of" it. 

I hope that James and Ally changed course and tried to implement a "slow introduce" with the cat and the dog. The whole "they'll work it out on their own" plan is generally a notoriously bad one. Better to do that and find out later it wasn't necessary than the other way around.

It seems to me that Brock enjoys taking care of his daughter, and she looks happy to interact with him, and see him on FaceTime for example. Scheana's mother is at his house constantly, and he is tired of it. 

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ZettaK

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18 hours ago, Carolina Girl said:

I think it was because it made his "love" Rachel and her family look bad.  The bitch knew that James was missing the dog and would have been happy to take him back but her family stuck it in rescue rather than give Graham to James.  

And I wouldn't put it past Sandoval and anyone connected with Rachel to lie and exaggerate to make themselves look better.  

I read several articles by legitimate sources, one by the Daily Beast- I posted it on this episode thread, above), and Graham was not surrendered to a kill shelter after all. It seems Lisa Vanderpump found the dog (not at a kill shelter, but a Doodle Rescue), and she adopted it in hopes of bringing Rachel back to the show, and to create a storyline.

18 hours ago, Gharlane said:

That whole story about Rachel giving the dog to someone else, the new owner leaving it at a dog pound, and Lisa Vanderbucks just happening to be offered the dog is very suspicious to me.🤔

It is suspicious. I posted about it above, some details. Others, like some media think it's suspicious, as well.

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ZettaK

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17 hours ago, Lassus said:

In fairness, I'm putting this all on Rachel's mom.  She fucked this one up entirely.  First off, having worked with rescues and dogs all my life, sure the dog could have nipped at Rachel's mom.  I think it is far more likely the mom just lied.  (EDIT: wait, I feel like there were pictures?  Or am I remembering wrong?) One of ours we got from an asshole family at six years old because they said he peed all over their house.  How many times in the last five years since the day we got him has he peed or marked inside my house, any house, anywhere inside, Lowe's, a pet store?  ZERO.

EMPATHY TIME:  I also think this poor woman had nothing to fucking do with her daughter's affair with a douchebag and now she has to be in the news, which, oy. 

There, empathy over.  Even if Graham did nip at her, so what?  Treat the dog better, figure it out, training.  Fuck that lady.

Graham was biting when Rachel and James had him (other cast members said so)- James was playing rough with him. He also said on this episode that he was not allowed to have dogs as a kid, so he probably didn't know how to properly interact with them. But I doubt Rachel and James trained him, and her mother didn't either. 

Sandoval appeared to be uncomfortable in his interactions with the cast members who used to be his friends in Lake Tahoe. They last met at that eventful reunion. 

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Lassus

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5 hours ago, ZettaK said:

I read several articles by legitimate sources, one by the Daily Beast

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Let's not say things we'll regret when the coke wears off.  😀

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