chessiegal January 17, 2022 Share January 17, 2022 Did any of the kids ever get anything that wasn't comped? I'm sure they did, but it seemed that way when I watched. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7233823
winsomeone January 17, 2022 Share January 17, 2022 The twins got lots of the brand name clothes and jewelry they insisted on when in their teens. Plus the their two really expensive colleges sure were not comped. Never saw the sextuplets get anything in comparison, and I am sure the college money has long been spent on the older two. They hated the tups, and yet they were the source of all their income. Seems like they were too dumb to realize that ever? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7235506
Lukeysboat January 17, 2022 Share January 17, 2022 31 minutes ago, winsomeone said: They hated the tups, and yet they were the source of all their income. Seems like they were too dumb to realize that ever? The twins probably had to do a lot of helping out with the tups. I could see that creating resentment. I don’t know that there is no college money, and at least two of the younger kids got new cars for their birthday. They were plenty spoiled with opportunities when the show was running—but at a high cost. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7235548
all4mom2 January 19, 2022 Share January 19, 2022 (edited) On 1/16/2022 at 12:36 PM, overtherainbow said: Not that it really makes a difference, but Mady is only 25% Korean, not 50%. Jon is 50. But maybe now that she's more in touch with the Korean part of her heritage she'll want to connect with that side of her family as well. It was Mady who insisted with pride, at the Korean dinner Jon cooked for them, "I'm the most Asianist!" I also thought they got the Asian AG dolls, but it's been a while since I've seen that episode! If not, she was choosing the one who looked like her mother. I seem to recall Jon being only 25% himself, but I may be thinking of another Korean-derived family I know. Re: looks, Asian genes are definitely dominant. Edited January 19, 2022 by all4mom2 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7239699
babyhouseman January 19, 2022 Share January 19, 2022 1 hour ago, all4mom2 said: I seem to recall Jon being only 25% himself, I think he's half Asian. His mother is Korean, and his father was white 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7239854
all4mom2 January 19, 2022 Share January 19, 2022 15 minutes ago, babyhouseman said: I think he's half Asian. His mother is Korean, and his father was white Wiki says his mother is from Hawaii of Korean descent; doesn't say she's 100%. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7239883
merylinkid January 21, 2022 Share January 21, 2022 On 1/16/2022 at 2:13 PM, Adiba said: "… she had blonde hair and blue eyes, by my choice … at 5, I chose a doll that reflected the way I thought I was suppose to look instead of the way I do." That is the freaking saddest thing I have heard in a long while. That poor thing. Why does a 5 year old think she is supposed to "look" a certain way? that comes from the parents -- looking at you Kate. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7244026
Guest January 21, 2022 Share January 21, 2022 31 minutes ago, merylinkid said: That is the freaking saddest thing I have heard in a long while. That poor thing. Why does a 5 year old think she is supposed to "look" a certain way? that comes from the parents -- looking at you Kate. Lord knows Kate has a lot to answer for, but I hesitate to lay this one at her feet. I don't question Mady's sincerity in making these statements, but these are the thoughts of a young woman projecting her current feelings back onto her 5 year old self, and I wonder how accurately they reflect what her 5 year old self was really thinking. Obviously everything on the show was filtered, but was there ever any evidence that Kate was pushing any of the kids to look or act blonde/blue? I seem to recall an episode where they were eating a Korean meal (maybe even prepared by Jon), so it's not like Kate was completely suppressing that part of her kids' heritage. As someone pointed out, Kate herself is blonde, so little Mady might have been drawn to a blonde doll for that reason. I mean I'm gagging a bit at defending Kate even a little, but I'm not sure this one is on her. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7244107
all4mom2 January 22, 2022 Share January 22, 2022 On 1/21/2022 at 6:34 AM, tracyscott76 said: Lord knows Kate has a lot to answer for, but I hesitate to lay this one at her feet. I don't question Mady's sincerity in making these statements, but these are the thoughts of a young woman projecting her current feelings back onto her 5 year old self, and I wonder how accurately they reflect what her 5 year old self was really thinking. Obviously everything on the show was filtered, but was there ever any evidence that Kate was pushing any of the kids to look or act blonde/blue? I seem to recall an episode where they were eating a Korean meal (maybe even prepared by Jon), so it's not like Kate was completely suppressing that part of her kids' heritage. As someone pointed out, Kate herself is blonde, so little Mady might have been drawn to a blonde doll for that reason. I mean I'm gagging a bit at defending Kate even a little, but I'm not sure this one is on her. I agree. I watched all the episodes back in the day, and there was no coercion on Kate's part to choose a particular doll. Kate was never shy about making her opinions known, on or off camera, so I vote that didn't happen. But oh boy; here comes the tell-all book from Mady! 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7246364
Absolom January 22, 2022 Share January 22, 2022 I think Mady was asked about growing up half-Korean and that sounded like a good story. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7246371
farmgal4 January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 8 hours ago, all4mom2 said: I agree. I watched all the episodes back in the day, and there was no coercion on Kate's part to choose a particular doll. Kate was never shy about making her opinions known, on or off camera, so I vote that didn't happen. But oh boy; here comes the tell-all book from Mady! Maddy has always had a tendency to be moody, conniving and hateful. Out of all the kids, she’s the most like Kate, mood and personality-wise. From what I’ve seen on SM, Kate and Maddy are rather tight, and I wonder if it’s because Kate knows exactly what Maddy is capable of (a tell-all or worse) if Kate pisses her off. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247009
all4mom2 January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 (edited) 8 hours ago, Absolom said: I think Mady was asked about growing up half-Korean and that sounded like a good story. A quarter Korean (if even that). Edited January 23, 2022 by all4mom2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247024
Absolom January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 Right she's a quarter or less, but in the article she says growing up 50/50 which is why I worded it that way. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247134
ginger90 January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 The article was simply based on an Instagram post. This is done so often with “famous” people. 9 hours ago, farmgal4 said: From what I’ve seen on SM, Kate and Maddy are rather tight, Whose social media? 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247385
chessiegal January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 WTH is she talking about? That doll has dark hair and brown eyes. But bless her heart, no one should be ashamed of their ethnicity. 1 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247479
dargosmydaddy January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 33 minutes ago, chessiegal said: WTH is she talking about? That doll has dark hair and brown eyes. That's not the doll in question, as she mentions the picture was taken the morning before her trip to the AG store. But still a really confusing picture to post with that caption, as I had the same thought as you at first. I guess she couldn't find a photo of her with the actual doll? She would have been better off posting a doll-less photo, then. 2 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7247509
babyhouseman January 23, 2022 Share January 23, 2022 11 hours ago, ginger90 said: Whose social media? I don't think Kate posts on SM anymore. I've seen recent(the last few years) videos of Mady and Kate on SM. I always thought Mady stayed close to her because she had money even though I don't know how much money K has left. There's just so much dysfunction in Mady's parental relationships somebody could write a book on it. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7248177
CrazyInAlabama January 24, 2022 Share January 24, 2022 17 hours ago, dargosmydaddy said: That's not the doll in question, as she mentions the picture was taken the morning before her trip to the AG store. But still a really confusing picture to post with that caption, as I had the same thought as you at first. I guess she couldn't find a photo of her with the actual doll? She would have been better off posting a doll-less photo, then. My guess is the second the film was shot of the trip to the doll store, that the dolls were locked away as collectibles for Kate. I bet the little girls never even had a chance to play with them, to keep their value. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7249705
farmgal4 January 24, 2022 Share January 24, 2022 On 1/23/2022 at 6:34 AM, ginger90 said: The article was simply based on an Instagram post. This is done so often with “famous” people. Whose social media? Maddy’s IG. She posted pics of she and Kate dining out together, just the two of them. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7249931
ginger90 January 24, 2022 Share January 24, 2022 22 minutes ago, farmgal4 said: Maddy’s IG. She posted pics of she and Kate dining out together, just the two of them. Never saw that. I wonder if it’s still up. 1 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7249958
all4mom2 January 29, 2022 Share January 29, 2022 (edited) On 1/24/2022 at 7:16 AM, farmgal4 said: Maddy’s IG. She posted pics of she and Kate dining out together, just the two of them. As I said, I seem to remember them getting dolls that looked like them -- and not Kate -- in the actual episode. I *might* still have it on an old VHS tape in the basement, but I'm not going to go on a scavenger hunt. TLC should replay them; they'd be far more entertaining that what they show today! Maddy was always the dramatic one; maybe she embellishes the truth... Edited January 29, 2022 by all4mom2 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7259538
Lukeysboat January 29, 2022 Share January 29, 2022 18 hours ago, all4mom2 said: As I said, I seem to remember them getting dolls that looked like them -- and not Kate -- in the actual episode I’m pretty sure Cara had a dark-haired doll and Mady had a blonde doll. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7260496
Gemma Violet March 31, 2022 Share March 31, 2022 Hannah's going to college in Florida: https://www.instagram.com/p/CbtTCo9M5aB/ She also reportedly has some kind of business deal/offer in Florida: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXOCu6Goa2w 3 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7373811
Gemma Violet April 5, 2022 Share April 5, 2022 Here's a video with info taken from recent articles from In Touch and Us Weekly (nothing we haven't already suspected), saying that Kate is angry that Hannah chose Jon over her, and her attempts to have the kids cut ties with Hannah. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6I5pWq_smkQ Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7382904
ginger90 May 1, 2022 Share May 1, 2022 Cara: 1 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7429346
ChicksDigScars May 2, 2022 Share May 2, 2022 (edited) Yeah, if anything, Kate embraced the fact that her kids were of Korean heritage. She may be a lot of things, but she didn't try to squish that fact. She actually seemed to favor the kids who looked the most Asian (Poor Alexis, who was the 'tup that they claimed had the lightest hair and skin and took after Kate more). Here's something heinous on that subject. I work at a major university and one day, I got a call from a parent. It was summer and incoming students were getting a lot of mailings from the University (back when they were paper and flooding their mailboxes). Her daughter was getting correspondence from the Asian student groups about joining them once she got on campus. Now, to get these things, her daughter would have had to declare this ethnicity on her college applications. Her mother called and demanded that she be removed from these mailing lists. Why? Because she was an Asian child adopted by a white family as an infant, so she was "raised white." I was horrified. Regardless of how you raised her, lady, she still has a distinct heritage that she can be proud of and should embrace. It doesn't make her any less of a daughter to you. I sooooo wanted to say that to her. But I kept my lip zipped. And obviously, the girl must have thought so, too. She put "Asian-Pacific Islander" down on her college applications! Good lord. That poor girl to have a mother like that. Edited May 2, 2022 by ChicksDigScars Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7431870
Grrarrggh May 7, 2022 Share May 7, 2022 On 5/2/2022 at 4:14 PM, ChicksDigScars said: Yeah, if anything, Kate embraced the fact that her kids were of Korean heritage. She may be a lot of things, but she didn't try to squish that fact. She actually seemed to favor the kids who looked the most Asian (Poor Alexis, who was the 'tup that they claimed had the lightest hair and skin and took after Kate more). She only embraced their Korean-ness in the physical sense because it made the tups different from all the other sextuplets and multiples out there. The other children Kate felt her kids were in competition with for a piece of the tup pie. That's why she bemoaned Alexis looking White (in her opinion). 3 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7441185
Gemma Violet May 10, 2022 Share May 10, 2022 (edited) Today's the big 18 for the little ones. From Yahoo: Quote Although Kate and the rest of the family haven't posted on social media in honor of the big day just yet, Hannah revealed to InTouch Weekly that she recently had a "dream" birthday bash in Miami. Quote "My dad got me a fancy Rolls Royce for the evening," Hannah told the outlet, adding that she "felt really special." She also noted that the only people missing from the celebration were her siblings, who were not in attendance. "I wish they could have been with me so we could all celebrate turning 18 together," she said. "I know they would be really proud of me." So sad they weren't together for their 18th. (Seems like Colin would have been with her, but he may have already joined the military as he planned to do.) Edited May 10, 2022 by Gemma Violet 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7447039
ginger90 May 10, 2022 Share May 10, 2022 I feel old….. She has her own beauty line: From her birthday: 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7447060
Gemma Violet May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 This must be the business deal in Florida that was alluded to earlier. Good for her. I hope it's a great success. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7447134
winsomeone May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 Doesn't she have 7 siblings, not 8? Is Cara the only smart one out of the 8 kids? 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7447779
Kellyee May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 Quote So sad they weren't together for their 18th. (Seems like Colin would have been with her, but he may have already joined the military as he planned to do.) Collin seems to have disappeared again. Wouldn't he wait to join the military until after he graduates high school? Something tells me that Collin is still very troubled, and that it's more than Jon lets on. And I don't think anyone remembers Hannah as an "instigator of fun". Mostly she was just Kate's favorite kid, which is ironic now. Alexis always seemed to be the happy one. And Aiden. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448156
SunnyBeBe May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 Just saw Hannah on People site on turning 18. It’s difficult to believe how many years have gone by. I watched all the early seasons of the show. What is Kate doing now for income? Does she still live in the big house she bought in the country? Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448217
ginger90 May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 13 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said: Just saw Hannah on People site on turning 18. It’s difficult to believe how many years have gone by. I watched all the early seasons of the show. What is Kate doing now for income? Does she still live in the big house she bought in the country? The house in Pennsylvania? It was sold. Apparently she’s now in North Carolina, and is working as a nurse. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448261
SunnyBeBe May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 37 minutes ago, ginger90 said: The house in Pennsylvania? It was sold. Apparently she’s now in North Carolina, and is working as a nurse. Oh, ok. I wonder if she’s near my city. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill areas are loaded with medical employment opportunities, due to Duke, UNC, Wake Med, etc, Ill keep my eyes peeled for her. Lol. Lots of colleges around here too. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448324
CrazyInAlabama May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 1 hour ago, SunnyBeBe said: Just saw Hannah on People site on turning 18. It’s difficult to believe how many years have gone by. I watched all the early seasons of the show. What is Kate doing now for income? Does she still live in the big house she bought in the country? She sold that place, after months on the market, and I'm guessing didn't make a penny on it. She lives in NC now, and got her nursing license back. I really wonder if the military will take Colin with his history of issues, they usually won't. I'm not sure he can take the pressure of boot camp, advanced training, and military service. 1 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448325
SunnyBeBe May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 Yeah….the military is very challenging based on what I’ve heard. I don’t think I could handle it. I hope he finds his niche. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448327
DkNNy79 May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, Kellyee said: Collin seems to have disappeared again. Wouldn't he wait to join the military until after he graduates high school? Something tells me that Collin is still very troubled, and that it's more than Jon lets on. And I don't think anyone remembers Hannah as an "instigator of fun". Mostly she was just Kate's favorite kid, which is ironic now. Alexis always seemed to be the happy one. And Aiden. Alexis was my favorite because she was a free spirit. Cara is probably the one who I most relate to (even though I'm twice her age), because we were into our studies, sporty and we keep our emotions bottled up. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448387
ginger90 May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 43 minutes ago, SunnyBeBe said: Oh, ok. I wonder if she’s near my city. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill areas are loaded with medical employment opportunities, due to Duke, UNC, Wake Med, etc, Ill keep my eyes peeled for her. Lol. Lots of colleges around here too. She’s around 2 hours away. 😁 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448394
SunnyBeBe May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 12 minutes ago, ginger90 said: She’s around 2 hours away. 😁 Oh, okay. I know what that means. Lol. Nice. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448423
Guest May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 I remember when they lived in the house before the big house, in Lancaster County PA. My family was in Lancaster County, too, and we knew J&K were "local" but thought they were way on the other side of the county. Turns out we drove past their street and their house was in sight every time we went to the doctor's office or to get on the main highway. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448495
SunnyBeBe May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 I wonder why she listed her house so low. Maybe, it was strategy to get multiple offers. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448521
Grrarrggh May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 Just what the world needs, another Z list celeb teen hawking unneeded "beauty" aids. Ick. 1 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448570
Gemma Violet May 11, 2022 Share May 11, 2022 2 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said: Oh, ok. I wonder if she’s near my city. Raleigh/Durham/Chapel Hill areas are loaded with medical employment opportunities, due to Duke, UNC, Wake Med, etc, Ill keep my eyes peeled for her. Lol. Lots of colleges around here too. If you look on the previous page (January 2022), you'll find my post of a Daily Mail article about Kate and her new life. There are a few current photos. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7448612
Gemma Violet May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 Here's Jon & Hannah's ET interview: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-A66LDFMzEc 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7449843
merylinkid May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 So sad that the parents' issues with each other are so severe that the kids can't be together on what is a big milestone birthday for them. Divorced parents don't have to like each other, but they need to put that aside for the kids' sakes. 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7450003
Panopticon May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 22 hours ago, Kellyee said: And I don't think anyone remembers Hannah as an "instigator of fun". Mostly she was just Kate's favorite kid, which is ironic now. Also ironic that Hannah has never looked more like Kate than she does in that ad. And that this is the exactly the kind of “career” Kate used to want for her daughters in general and Hannah in particular. I almost felt sorry for Hannah trying to define herself for the ad, because a more honest description of her role in the show would have been “I wasn’t the good twin or the evil twin or the daredevil who loved alligators or the tiny one who spoke super-clearly for the cameras as a toddler… I was the other one.” Or of course she could drag out that humiliating clip of Leah chirping “Hannah pooped in Hannah’s unnawears.” Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7450207
ChicksDigScars May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 Yeah, I always remembered Hannah as the more quiet, maternal 'tup with great hair. Ironic that it's Jon who is letting his daughter turn into a "social media influencer," and pimping her out to the rags. The kids living with Kate are kept rather quiet and private Jon is such a pimp. He skeeves me. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7450464
Gemma Violet May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 5 hours ago, ChicksDigScars said: Ironic that it's Jon who is letting his daughter turn into a "social media influencer," and pimping her out to the rags. There's not much he can do to stop her. She's 18 now. I know the business opportunity obviously came up before she turned 18, but even if Jon wanted her to bypass it then, she would have just waited until she was 18 to accept the offer. I don't think it's a bad thing since she's 18 and she still intends to go to college. Maybe she'll major in marketing and make a fortune. 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7451091
justduckey May 12, 2022 Share May 12, 2022 The second she turned 18 she sure got very chatty with the media. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/14156-kate-plus-8-general-discussion/page/37/#findComment-7451147
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