Kate Plus 8 - General Discussion

[mom2two]

https://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2023/04/12/two-gosselin-daughters-mady-alexis-reveal-theyre-lgbtq-their-mom-kate-was-reportedly-supportive/

sorry , I had the wrong sextuplet.

[Gemma Violet]

2 hours ago, mom2two said:

It seems the Cara has distanced herself from it all. She has graduated college and has a great job in NY.

What does she do?

Edited July 21, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[mom2two]

you can find her on linkedin

 

[ginger90]

1 hour ago, Gemma Violet said:

What does she do?

She graduated from Fordham University and is an Analyst with Bank of America.

[Gemma Violet]

From People:

Kate Gosselin Breaks Her Silence Following Jon and Son Collin's Bombshell Accusations (Exclusive)

https://people.com/kate-gosselin-breaks-silence-jon-collin-accusations-exclusive-7563700

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"I have never wanted to have to do this, but I feel I have been backed into a corner and left with no choice. Although it saddens me to do so, I need to speak out now. 

My son Collin, whom I love with all my heart, has received multiple psychiatric diagnoses over the years. For the safety of myself, his brothers and sisters and for his own well-being, he was placed in a facility following years of outpatient treatment which proved insufficient for his needs. The decision to admit him was made by emergency room doctors following one of his many attacks/outbursts — this one involving his use of a weapon.

Fast forward to the present day, and following Jon’s removal of Collin from treatment, my son’s unpredictable and violent behavior has sadly continued regularly towards Jon, Hannah and others around him. 

Collin's distorted perception of reality is one of the many issues that he has always struggled with. As many people who have family members grappling with mental health issues can attest, it is rarely and sadly surprising when complete fabrications occur, and this is just another heartbreaking facet of this fight. All parent-child relationships are complex, but when mental illness is involved, it is incredibly complicated and painful, let alone easy for others on the outside to understand. 

All measures that were taken in our home were at the explicit recommendation of his pediatric psychiatrist and/or his team of specialists and were put into place to safeguard every member of our family, our friends as well as our family pets. 

Unfortunately, I believe Collin remains a very troubled young man who continues to need a lot of help. His brothers and sisters and I have not been directly involved in his life due to his history of unpredictable behavior and violent tendencies towards us. What his sister Mady posted on social media recently is completely accurate and I deeply appreciate her bravery in doing so. 

This is all I have to say on the matter and I will not be discussing this subject any further at this time." 

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In response, Jon, 46, tells PEOPLE, "Regarding these brand new false accusations, it seems clear that even today after not seeing her son since the 6th grade, Kate is unable to control her abusive words towards him. At this point Collin is training to be a Marine in order to serve his country and is unable to respond to his mother’s callus lies."

Regarding Mady's social media statement:

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In standing by his son, Jon told PEOPLE: "It took courage for Collin to sit down and speak about his past. And the last thing I would have expected was more abuse to come his way from a sibling that hasn’t seen or spoken to him since he was in sixth grade."

"Collin has grown into a wonderful man. I love him and am proud and excited to see him grow into a young US Marine," he added.

 

 

Edited July 21, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[babyhouseman]

8 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Did Jon give up his legal rights at some point? If so, it was up to Kate, big mistake.

Kate had full custody of the kids after the divorce. Jon was supposed to have visitation, but I think as the kids got older, that didn't happen much. I think money was a big factor. Kate had tons of money and TLC's support. So she was going to be the winner in court decisions. As time went on, Jon got Collin and Hannah, and it was considered joint custody. 

Jon was not perfect. He acted stupidly when he was newly single. He admitted he wasted money that I think he should've saved. 

Ideally, Kate should've stopped the show after Collin started having trouble. The family on the TLC show Sweet Home Sextuplets dropped out because they wanted to put the children first.

 

[CrazyInAlabama]

My understanding is that Kate had custody, Jon had visitation, but she also had the decision making authority for medical and schooling.   The one with the most money wins.   

I think the only reason Collin didn't get sent overseas to some juvenile prison was because he couldn't leave the country without both parents' consent.   

I moved a lot as a kid, and my mother never told the school anything but that we were moving.   Kate saying Collin is going to boarding school, or moving with another relative far away, or moving in with his father, would be a good cover story.  

Edited July 24, 2023 by CrazyInAlabama

[Kellyee]

They all need to get off social media and the television. I agree that Kate was awful, but its now Jon who can't get enough public attention. Mady made a statement after being bombarded with hate mail from complete strangers. She was a child, and yet she's being judged far more harshly than Jon. 

And please leave poor Cara's LinkedIn profile alone. I feel terrible for all 8 kids. People need to stop harassing them. Its starting to sound like stalking.

[Adiba]

Kate can miss me with her word salad crap. What excuse does she have for not even visiting her own son during his “treatment”— if said treatment was effective and needed, surely she could have had visitation at the facility. This was years that she abandoned her son— you don’t go no contact with your 12 year old child, period. 
In her diary that was leaked, Kate writes about how she had spanked Colin so hard she scared herself and how she pulled him up by his hair when he was little. She chose him as the scapegoat because he likely did have behavioral issues and that wasn’t allowed in her controlled world.

 

[Kellyee]

What actual evidence is there that Kate didn't visit Collin?

[pasdetrois]

13 hours ago, ginger90 said:

Did Jon give up his legal rights at some point? If so, it was up to Kate, big mistake.

Yes. He agreed to give up custody in exchange for not paying child support. Then, he made no true efforts to find Collin. Father of the Year.

Edited July 22, 2023 by pasdetrois

[Gemma Violet]

2 hours ago, Kellyee said:

What actual evidence is there that Kate didn't visit Collin?

I think that's what Collin said.

1 hour ago, pasdetrois said:

Then, he made no true efforts to find Collin.

Jon said he'd been trying to find out for a long time where Collin was and Kate wouldn't tell him.  And then Collin sent a letter to Jon which presumably is how Jon found out where he was.

[Gemma Violet]

Wow, Kate is being slammed on her Instagram, where she posted her statement.  She replies now and then, but for every one person defending her, there are ten bashing her.

 

[merylinkid]

We don't know that Colin has conservative views and that is what Mady considers threatening.   More likely his comments about his mother not being perfect upset her and she said she felt threatened and Mady ran with that.   Rather than go oh hey Mom is over reacting here.   

As for Jon, yes, this is his fault too.   He chose to give up custody in order to not pay child support.   He knew what kind of person he was abandoning his kids too.   I'm not suprised most of the kids don't want anything to do with him.   They needed him to protect them from their mother, he failed.

[pasdetrois]

8 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

Jon said he'd been trying to find out for a long time where Collin was and Kate wouldn't tell him. 

I do remember Jon saying that, but I believe he had other ways to identify Collin's location. For starters, he could have made a lot of noise on social media, gotten the word out, just pushed it until he put Kate in the spotlight and got some answers. I'm assuming he still had parental rights, which are different than custody rights. Why didn't he petition a court, contact child social services? I would never stop were that my child.

Edited July 22, 2023 by pasdetrois

[babyhouseman]

I've followed this saga since the beginning. I found an old article that said, "Shaken Jon - who had no legal access rights and believed Collin was living with Kate - contacted his lawyers to fight for joint legal custody." https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7470303/Jon-Gosselin-says-Kate-mentally-tortured-son-Collin.html

People forget that before they found out what happened to Collin, Kate had all the power. The show was still coming on every so often. And an angry narcissist with power and money can get their own way. 

[Kellyee]

Didn't Collin post on social media at one point that Jon abused him too? Back when Jon kept appearing on Dr. Oz.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Kellyee said:

Didn't Collin post on social media at one point that Jon abused him too? Back when Jon kept appearing on Dr. Oz.

I recall some incident where Collin claimed that Jon had physically assaulted him, but then it came out (from Hannah and possibly other sources, maybe the police report?) that Collin was actually being physically aggressive and Jon was just trying to defend himself/calm Collin down. I think Collin then retracted his claim. Maybe there was something else, but that's the only thing I remember.

Edited July 23, 2023 by tracyscott76

[merylinkid]

On 7/22/2023 at 8:52 AM, pasdetrois said:

I'm assuming he still had parental rights, which are different than custody rights.

Yes.   His parental rights were never terminated.   Which means he was still Colin's father.   In my state that means you have the right to inspect medical (including mental health) and educational records.   You can't make decisions about the kid if you don't have legal custody*, but you can see the records.   So if there IS a  problem you can petition the courts.  Jon should have done more.  But because he had checked out, he had no real way of verifying Kate's story.   Heck, if he had even every other weekend with the kids, it would have been harder for Kate to send Colin away even with sole legal custody.   Because Jon would have noticed one of the kids wasn't showing up for visitation.

 

There's two types of custody -- physical and legal.   Physical or residential is just where the kids and when they see each parent.   Legal is decisionmaking about the kids, the big things not the day to day things.   So medical and educational decisions would be legal.   This can be hybrid, like one parent has primary residential but they have joint legal, or some combination thereof.   But Kate being Kate, I am betting she had sole residential and sole legal.  

[BarbieMermaidia]

I can't with Mady and now Kate doing this vague crumb dropping thing. Telling us there is some big secret that we will never get to know is such tween behavior. And for morality reasons! Saying nothing would be miles better.

What I really can't get over is Kate in the comments implying that her own son is lying to the USMC. Who does that?

[overtherainbow]

She's desperate to stay relevant and grab another 2 minutes of fame because oh gee, her life has gotten so tough now that she work like the rest of us commoners.

Of course the only way she can think to do that is by smearing the son she intentionally threw away for years, now that she's been painted the villain by pretty much everyone (and saying deservedly so would be an understatement). 

Mady's statement is confusing. I don't think we'll ever know what went on behind closed doors, only that countless footage over the years shows the family ganging up on him or excluding him. Kate's dislike of the poor boy oozed through in every scene of them together (which was rare).

Collin doesn't strike me as someone who would physically threaten anyone or who has bigoted beliefs, but Mady seems exactly like her mother - quick as ever to cut people out of her life, including her own family. But maybe I'm wrong. Collin, on the other hand, still says he's open to a relationship with his mother, even after the abuse and neglect. That speaks volumes to me.

Edited July 23, 2023 by overtherainbow
grammar

[babyhouseman]

7 hours ago, merylinkid said:

 Because Jon would have noticed one of the kids wasn't showing up for visitation.

In the documentary, Jon claimed he used to eat lunch with the children at their school. and that's when he noticed Collin was missing. 

[merylinkid]

6 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

In the documentary, Jon claimed he used to eat lunch with the children at their school. and that's when he noticed Collin was missing. 

So why did it take so long?   he could have just walked down to the principal's office and said 'where's Colin?"  Kate would have had to formally withdraw him from school.

[Iguessnot]

39 minutes ago, merylinkid said:

So why did it take so long?   he could have just walked down to the principal's office and said 'where's Colin?"  Kate would have had to formally withdraw him from school.

I believe he was told Colin was no longer enrolled. So it's back to getting info from Kate.

[Iguessnot]

On 7/21/2023 at 10:58 PM, pasdetrois said:

Yes. He agreed to give up custody in exchange for not paying child support. Then, he made no true efforts to find Collin. Father of the Year.

I can't really fault him for that. He's just an average guy who has to go out to work everyday. I'm sure whatever child support agreement Kate's team came up with would be very detrimental to whatever future Jon had. 

Kate was the mastermind behind their success, with Jon tagging along. At the time of their divorce, she still had all the advantage. Jon was no match.

Six kids having no contact with him is abnormal and I blame Kate. Like they have an oath to reject him to stay within her good graces. Kate is playing some serious mind games.

[Laura Holt]

I had no real opinion on either Kate or Jon before, other than  to think they were both pretty crappy parents, but the bottom line for me at this point in time is that parents don't go public to smear their child if they have any genuine desire to help that child.  Kate is showing everyone who didn't follow this family saga in the past exactly what she's all about.

 

Edited July 25, 2023 by Laura Holt

[BarbieMermaidia]

https://www.theashleysrealityroundup.com/2023/07/24/exclusive-jon-collin-also-being-sued-for-a-different-car-crash/

[mom2two]

I know collin and Hannah are over 18, but I wonder if doing this expose is going to be worth the backlash from all the digging going on, such as these car accidents.  With collin's history, and yes, he is getting more support then his egg donor, it still cant be good for him.  I have to blame Jon for this one.   Did they get paid?  Did he talk him and Hannah into it?   I dont doubt that Collin still has issues, and likely always will (how his brain is wired).  Myself and friends have kids that also have issues.  You can address them, but they dont just magically disappear.  Oh and what Kate did definately made them worse!!!   AS a mom she should never say in any of her statements that "she loves him still".  She certainly does not. 

Just for reference my male child, when he was younger had issues iwth driving and also was sued for an accident that was his fault.  The insurance companies usually handle these things. 

[Adiba]

On 7/21/2023 at 9:59 PM, Kellyee said:

What actual evidence is there that Kate didn't visit Collin?

I don't know if there is actual evidence, but Jon said the facility said Colin had been visited only 3 times and it had been very long (can't remember what he said exactly) that Colin had been visited by her--or anyone, for that matter. Sad, really.

Many of these places advise family therapy sessions with the parents and the patient--did Kate do any therapy or take the other kids to therapy totally about Colin? Did she just make Colin disappear and give the other kids the same line she told the press--"Colin is where he needs to be"--it doesn't seem as if she made any effort to reintegrate Colin back into the family at all.

Kate apparently, according to Hannah, didn't tell the kids what exactly happened to Colin. When Hannah found out, she refused to go home with Kate after a dentist appointment and wanted to go home with Jon. It was reported online that the police were called.

I tend to believe Colin, Jon and Hannah's version of events more because there were too many instances on camera where Kate singled Colin out for misbehaving when he was not doing anything particularly egregious. I'm not denying that he had behavior issues and may have been a "difficult" child--just that Kate did not have the personality to deal with him.

I'm so hard on Kate because I have a (now grown) daughter who is bi-polar and has struggled with an eating disorder. Believe me, the teenage years were rough (screaming, physical outbursts and threats) I drove her out to Hershey Medical for anorexia treatment, attended family therapy sessions, etc.--but I never gave up on her. Kate gave up on her 11-12 year old and still has no interest in healing her relationship with him.

[Gharlane]

I never watched their shows, just some clips and some news stories, and Kate seemed like a total fishwife to me. Jon seemed spineless, but that might be because she was berating him in every clip that I saw. 🤷‍♂️

I watched the Dark Side of the 2000's about them and never realized just how messed up things were. 😲

[Gemma Violet]

3 hours ago, Gharlane said:

I never watched their shows, just some clips and some news stories, and Kate seemed like a total fishwife to me.

She was that and more.  She'd spin out of control and start yelling over the smallest of things, like Jon forgetting to use a coupon.  I remember her having a meltdown at Disneyworld because one of the kids spilled a little ice cream on his shirt.  She was apoplectic because she didn't have another shirt to put on him.  And Jon was all calm, saying something like, "It's just ice cream.  It'll dry," which is what most people would say.  And of course, in their talking head segments, she was always berating Jon for everything from the things he said to the volume of his breathing.  The worst was when Colin got gum on his favorite toy, a teddy bear, and she grabbed it and angrily told him she was throwing it away, as he cried and begged her not to.  She ended up not throwing it away, but she emotionally tortured him for those few minutes.  No wonder the child has problems.

[Gharlane]

I remember that I did see Kate on Sarah Palin's hidden reality show, who was there for some sort of cross-promotion. As soon as they arrived, Kate began to complain and whine non-stop about everything and after a whopping two hours at the remote campsite forced her children, who were enjoying themselves, to go back to their hotel room. I remember Sarah's daughter Piper used to be a fan of the fishwife's show but seemed to have changed her mind, no doubt in part because the fishwife said something rather rude and nasty to her. I commend Sarah for remaining a gracious host.

 

[babyhouseman]

8 hours ago, Gharlane said:

I remember that I did see Kate on Sarah Palin's hidden reality show, who was there for some sort of cross-promotion.

Kate couldn't be grateful for a free trip to Alaska. I always thought she'd rather be strutting her fake breasts in a bikini on the beach. She loved those beach trips and warm weather.

Edited August 2, 2023 by babyhouseman

[Gemma Violet]

There's an article in The Sun about Jon moving in with his girlfriend.  They rented a home together.  The girlfriend has a daughter and it looks like everyone is getting along.  Hannah and the girlfriend are very close.

[Gemma Violet]

I read that Jon's ex-girlfriend posted on social media today that when she and Jon broke up, Jon and Hannah moved out, but Collin stayed and lived with her for quite a while.  This explains Colin's nice words about her on social media in his graduation post and also his tribute to her on Mother's Day.  She debunked what Kate said about Colin.

eta:  Here is Colleen's post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CviIo53uQSC/

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"I recently learned of derogatory statements made about Collin Gosselin and felt compelled to defend him. These statements were made by family members who have been estranged from his life since he was 12. Collin is not only someone I love dearly but has also been a significant figure in my family’s life. He is currently at boot camp for the Marines and  he's unable to defend himself.
After Jon and I separated, and Jon moved out, Collin lived with me until he turned 18 so I saw him every day He thrived and was always kind and respectful . He never talked back to me. He was never violent and is far from being considered dangerous. He is there for me when I need him, even bringing me white roses every time he visits.
I could tag a multitude of people who have spent time with Collin, and they would all attest to what an amazing person he is. He has overcome more challenges than any one person should ever have to endure. Despite being institutionalized for 3 years alone with only 3 visits from his mother and not receiving proper education, he achieved a 4.0 GPA and won the highest GPA award at his ROTC banquet. I'm so incredibly proud of his accomplishments.
Collin's dream to join the Marines seemed impossible given his background, but he never gave up. He went off all medication two years ago and continued to thrive in school and working jobs. He sought private psychiatric evaluations as an adult that disproved all the previous diagnoses. It was his determination that led him to the Marines, where he's now fulfilling his dream. He wouldn't be there if he hadn't proved those diagnoses wrong.
I have received letters from Collin during his time in boot camp, and he admits that it is challenging, but he is happy and proud to be there. He is a testament to strength and courage, and I am honored to have him in my life. Collin will always be part of my family, and I'll support him, no matter what comes our way. That's what family does. The truth about Collin's character deserves praise, not unfounded accusations from those estranged from his life."

 

Edited August 5, 2023 by Gemma Violet

[JenMcSnark]

2 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

I read that Jon's ex-girlfriend posted on social media today that when she and Jon broke up, Jon and Hannah moved out, but Collin stayed and lived with her for quite a while.  This explains Colin's nice words about her on social media in his graduation post and also his tribute to her on Mother's Day.  She debunked what Kate said about Colin.

eta:  Here is Colleen's post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CviIo53uQSC/

 

I just read that and came here to say that I trust Colleen where I don't trust either Jon or Kate...to fully put aside their self-interest and tell the honest truth about Collin.  Colleen is what Collin looks like with a kind and loving mother figure in his life. Pure and simple.

[Suzee2]

On 8/4/2023 at 8:19 PM, Gemma Violet said:

I read that Jon's ex-girlfriend posted on social media today that when she and Jon broke up, Jon and Hannah moved out, but Collin stayed and lived with her for quite a while.  This explains Colin's nice words about her on social media in his graduation post and also his tribute to her on Mother's Day.  She debunked what Kate said about Colin.

eta:  Here is Colleen's post:

https://www.instagram.com/p/CviIo53uQSC/

 

I believe this is an honest, sincere account from someone who has actually lived with Collin the last few years and knows him for the person he is now. Whatever happened when he was a child, no doubt because of the way he was treated by his mother, he's obviously made great progress since then. If Colleen is the mother he never had, then I'm happy that he's found acceptance and love in her family as well as with Jon and Hannah. I hope their support will sustain him in this new chapter of his life so that he finds what makes him happy.

[Suzee2]

Kate Gosselin Living Paycheck to Paycheck

According to this article, she's now living in Troutman, NC, which is about 30 miles north of Charlotte, near Lake Norman. She's not in dire straits if she can afford to live in that area. OTOH, it's not the high life she was living as a reality tv "star." In other words, she's living like most people. 

[babyhouseman]

Somebody once posted a listing of her house, and it sounded nice to me. It was on the lake. She always said she wanted to live around the water in NC, and she was shown at the beach with her daughters over the summer. Kate loves having pity parties.

[Gemma Violet]

She's been living in Troutman for at least a couple of years.  I remember posting a Daily Mail article about it a while back.  I haven't read Suzee's article*--is Kate still in the nursing profession?  

*Nothing personal, Suzee--I just never click on blind links. ❤️

[Suzee2]

43 minutes ago, babyhouseman said:

Somebody once posted a listing of her house, and it sounded nice to me. It was on the lake. She always said she wanted to live around the water in NC, and she was shown at the beach with her daughters over the summer. Kate loves having pity parties.

If her house is on the lake, it’s not cheap. Due to its proximity to Charlotte, there are plenty of high-dollar homes belonging to players with the Panthers and the Hornets, NASCAR drivers, etc. We wanted a lake home too, but that area too expensive for us.

2 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said:

She's been living in Troutman for at least a couple of years.  I remember posting a Daily Mail article about it a while back.  I haven't read Suzee's article*--is Kate still in the nursing profession?  

*Nothing personal, Suzee--I just never click on blind links. ❤️

No offense taken, Gemma, I get it. The article says she’s had a multistate nursing license since 2021 but it doesn’t say that she’s actually working as a nurse. If it’s true she’s living from paycheck to paycheck, she’s working somewhere. But given her former lifestyle, even a well-paid nursing job wouldn’t afford all the perks she had in the past.

[ginger90]

20 hours ago, Gemma Violet said:

is Kate still in the nursing profession?  

If her LinkedIn is up to date,  she is.

Edited October 21, 2023 by ginger90

[Dibs]

I believe she's again working as a nurse in a dialysis clinic (the same job she did before).  Maybe it's not TLC money, but nurses do alright these days...

Edited October 23, 2023 by Dibs

[Absolom]

She's really down to only having to support herself now isn't she?  All of the eight kids are adults now aren't they?

[Gemma Violet]

Kate Gosselin Reportedly Living Alone in North Carolina Home After Remaining Sextuplets Move Out

https://www.intouchweekly.com/posts/kate-gosselin-living-alone-after-kids-move-out-for-college/

[merylinkid]

I wonder how many come home for holidays?

These control freak parents are always amazed at how little contact their kids want with them once the kids are adults and are not required to be around the parents.     College has to be an interesting experience for the kids.   

[Gemma Violet]

Jon Gosselin gets Botox-like shots and fat-burning treatment to avoid ‘looking like a schlub’ at Sundance Film Festival

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/10158080/jon-gosselin-anti-ageing-fat-burning-treatment-schlub-sundance/

[Gemma Violet]

Jon Gosselin slams ex Kate for ‘dragging him back’ to 2009 when they first filed for divorce as court case drags on

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/10165179/jon-gosselin-slams-kate-dragging-back-past/

[Kellyee]

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Jon Gosselin gets Botox-like shots and fat-burning treatment to avoid ‘looking like a schlub’ at Sundance Film Festival

https://www.the-sun.com/entertainment/10158080/jon-gosselin-anti-ageing-fat-burning-treatment-schlub-sundance/

Didn't Jon agree to the gag order and the continued filming to avoid child support? He always plays it like he was just victimized and had no choice, but I remember him running around with Lindsay Lohan's father and trying to get his own reality show.  

 

 

 

[Gemma Violet]

Hannah Gosselin Opens Up About First Relationship, Reveals If Mom Kate Has Met BF

https://toofab.com/2024/02/22/hannah-gosselin-opens-up-first-relationship-reveals-if-kate-met-bf/

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Meanwhile, the college student -- who is a business administration major -- only had great things to say about her beau.

"He's very kind," Hannah said of Lennon. "He's really big on being the best version of yourself you can be. I think he makes me a good version of myself. And he has big dreams, and I love him."