Season 1 - Episodes 1 through 11 Discussion

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, lambertman said:

19 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

The show is already renewed for a second season and many of the episodes for that season are already made.

Source?

I might be wrong, they mentioned that they ordered additional episodes for the season.

[bros402]

21 hours ago, AnimeMania said:

The show is already renewed for a second season and many of the episodes for that season are already made.

The "stitches" scene was all kinds of wrong, no sterilization of utensils and no gloves.

I would have had more respect for Zeke if he had a little tiny version of those Boston Dynamics robot dogs to run up the stairs and kick the box down to him and a little less if he sent out a drone to retrieve the package. Anyway Zeke should have had somebody he could call that does some of the small normal things for him, like put the trash on the curb, but that doesn't make for good tv.

I guess they were trying to make some kind of point when they kept bringing up the play "Macbeth" and Sir obsessed with removing that "damned spot".

I would at least expect him to hire someone to put up a sign saying "Put a package here" and have a little spot marked for packages

[babyrambo]

20 hours ago, possibilities said:

I'm handwaving a lot of tv contrivances because I respect what they are doing by showing exactly how serious and horrific things like kidnapping and stalking are, in detail, and humanizing victims of it who are generally not given much concern in the larger society., and als showing survivors in a positive rather than pathetic light. It's nt misery porn, and it's not exploiting the pain for thrills

Same! It’s a bit heavy handed at times but that’s expected with a first season  and so far nothing has felt overly manufactured or exploitative.

Interesting that there are two missing persons based shows out this year (or maybe they’re a huge thing on prime time that I simply wasn’t aware of idk) but Found is clearly the better of the two (only seen one full episode of Alert but it came off like the fake shows played on sitcoms. Acting, editing, dialogue, all of it was simultaneously underwhelming and extremely silly. Instant waste of time). But Found is pretty solid so far. I like Gabby—some of the dialogue is a lot but Shanola Hampton is pulling it off—as well as the rest of the team though I think Margaret is my favourite. Loving the actress’s nuanced portrayal of her ‘superpower’ which could be gimmicky but isn’t due to her performance. I’m probably most interested in knowing her backstory, seems pretty heartbreaking. And everyone else being traumatized tracks but I agree with the other comment that for TV they’re pretty tame. No vices or big personalities though I guess the agoraphobia is a thing. 

I like Zach Morris but I could take or leave Gabby’s guest in the basement 

[Trini]

Yeah, the characters here are way more interesting than the ones on The Irrational. The backstory exposition was a bit less clunky this time.

I assume they'll directly address it at some point, but I'm guessing Gabi still feels some guilt that Lacey got kidnapped. I'd like to know more about Gabi's family.

It was an good, unexpected twist that the victim wasn't actually kidnapped by someone; glad they got the stalker. So at least they're starting out not beholden to a formula.

And yeah, it too boring for TV, but Zeke should have some type of personal assistant/aide for certain tasks.

It won't be Gabi (probably??), but I think the only way to resolve the 'Sir in the basement' situation is to literally kill him off; but on the other hand, would the writers really want to lose that element, and MP-G?

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Trini
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[Chaos Theory]

The hyper focused woman doesn’t bother me.  There are plenty of people like that.  Heck there are plenty of people on the internet like that.    She even said herself in the pilot she trained herself to be this way when her son vanished so it’s not strictly a super power.  It’s something she honed out of necessity.   I like that she isn’t the main character but like everyone else someone Gabi uses because they have trauma and a useful skill born out of it or in reaction to it.    
 

This show is still better then I thought it would be dealing with trama even in a tvvised way like  with Zeke and Dhan.   The reason Dhan didn’t want to work with  Zeke made sense because Zeke reminded Dhan of the time in his life when he felt the weakest.   The Zeke delivery thing doesn’t bother me because I have had deliveries left in odd places and called delivered.   Even for a guy like Zeke who can’t leave his house he isn’t going to call Gabi in the middle of a case because a package is five feet from his door.

I am not certain about Sir in the basement.  The logistics don’t bother me.  The why doesnt bother me.  The how doesn’t bother me.   It’s how long can the show keep the dynamic going before it gets repetitive and make Gabi look really bad.   Right now they can play it off as trauma but eventually something needs to be done about the dude locked her in basement.  

 

 

 

 

 

Edited October 12, 2023 by Chaos Theory
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[AnimeMania]

NBC Boasts Success For Latest Crime Procedurals As ‘Found’ Becomes Network’s Best Peacock Launch To Date

3.8 million watched the first episode of "Found" live + same-day and it has now reached 10.5 million viewers. 

[Bobcatkitten]

I am enjoying it so far but due to the strike there aren't a lot of options right now so...

[possibilities]

I'm not agoraphobic, but I am disabled in a way that makes it hard for me to go looking all over the place for wherever someone left a package and I can say with absolute certainty that posting a sign, leaving instructions with the carrier, or other such measures are completely ineffective.

I think the problem is that delivery people are sometimes (often, around here) not English fluent, so signs and notes are ignored (though it's not only non-English-fluent folks who ignore signs, as even ones with a big arrow and pictures on them are not heeded), and also the delivery industry in general puts a lot of pressure on people to move fast, which means they cut corners and don't notice details.

Yes, Zeke had other options, like hiring help, calling someone, trying to get another delivery (like food) and asking that person to hand him the package, getting a longer pole or a broomstick to push the package closer, trying to get one step outside instead of all the way, etc. But (1) he was panicking, which impedes problem-solving, and (2) the show wanted to show how hard he was trying and how hard it was for him to "just toughen up and do it". 

I notice that shows I basically like, respect, and find interesting, I am more able to handwave things, and on shows that annoy me a lot or I seriously object to for some other reason, these kinds of tv-contrivances stick in my craw. 

I watched another show last night where a public building was alleged to have only one entry/exit, thus trapping people when that door was unavailable. I was sitting in my apartment rolling my eyes so hard I thought I might injure them! I don't remember what state the show was supposed to be in, but here in MA, even private residences are required to  have two points of entry/exit, and a public building having only one is so beyond believable that I couldn't get past it. It just seemed like really lazy writing, because there were very obvious alternative ways to create tension and address the trapping of (and solution for) people being trapped inside the building.

So I get how sometimes something like what they did with Zeke and the package can bother people. But I chalked it up to the greater point of showing his struggle. Also, I personally also know that even when you do have hired helpers, they are not available 24/7 and are definitely not going to show up on short notice to bring in a package.

Regarding the other options, he has money, clearly, but how much of that fancy equipment it is from Gabi's business vs his own personal funds? He seems to live in a basement apartment; it's nice, but we haven't seen anything but his workroom. Maybe his personal funds are not as luxe as the office makes it seem. And when you panic, well... you panic.

[Driad]

Zeke said that the package contained a blue candle that was very meaningful to him (at least I think that's what he said).  But when he opened the package, the contents looked like a T-shirt.  Can someone please clarify?

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, Driad said:

Zeke said that the package contained a blue candle that was very meaningful to him (at least I think that's what he said).  But when he opened the package, the contents looked like a T-shirt.  Can someone please clarify?

There was probably a T-shirt you were supposed to wear (the ceremony was part of a family reunion), you can see Dhan holding the candle after he takes it out of the box.

[Driad]

Thank you, AnimeMania.  My eyes are not the best, and I did not see the candle.

[bros402]

23 hours ago, Trini said:

I assume they'll directly address it at some point, but I'm guessing Gabi still feels some guilt that Lacey got kidnapped. I'd like to know more about Gabi's family.

 

It won't be Gabi (probably??), but I think the only way to resolve the 'Sir in the basement' situation is to literally kill him off; but on the other hand, would the writers really want to lose that element, and MP-G?

 

I would be shocked if she didn't.

I could see them cheaping out with some TV amnesia or Sir using it as blackmail to get her to not testify as his trial or whatever.

8 hours ago, possibilities said:

I'm not agoraphobic, but I am disabled in a way that makes it hard for me to go looking all over the place for wherever someone left a package and I can say with absolute certainty that posting a sign, leaving instructions with the carrier, or other such measures are completely ineffective.

I think the problem is that delivery people are sometimes (often, around here) not English fluent, so signs and notes are ignored (though it's not only non-English-fluent folks who ignore signs, as even ones with a big arrow and pictures on them are not heeded), and also the delivery industry in general puts a lot of pressure on people to move fast, which means they cut corners and don't notice details.

 

I notice that shows I basically like, respect, and find interesting, I am more able to handwave things, and on shows that annoy me a lot or I seriously object to for some other reason, these kinds of tv-contrivances stick in my craw. 

I watched another show last night where a public building was alleged to have only one entry/exit, thus trapping people when that door was unavailable. I was sitting in my apartment rolling my eyes so hard I thought I might injure them! I don't remember what state the show was supposed to be in, but here in MA, even private residences are required to  have two points of entry/exit, and a public building having only one is so beyond believable that I couldn't get past it. It just seemed like really lazy writing, because there were very obvious alternative ways to create tension and address the trapping of (and solution for) people being trapped inside the building.

So I get how sometimes something like what they did with Zeke and the package can bother people. But I chalked it up to the greater point of showing his struggle. Also, I personally also know that even when you do have hired helpers, they are not available 24/7 and are definitely not going to show up on short notice to bring in a package.

Oh yeah, but it might help some of the time. A lot of shows just do not consider disabled people at all, unless we're supposed to be inspirational

I saw that show too and I was just like "wait what"

[luna1122again]

I think Shanola Hampton is great looking, and a good actor, but I have a hard time buying she's supposed to be in her mid thirties. And I still can't figure out how old MPG/Sir is supposed to be. The age progression sketch of him looked way older than he actually looks.  He honestly looks better in the present than he does in the flashbacks. 

I'd still be onboard if turns out he's not really down in Gaby's basement, but is a construct of her imagination. But I don't think he is. 

Can someone explain to me what Kelli Williams' character is actually DOING at the bus station? Does she just think her son is going to show up on a bus? I don't get it. Also, when does she sleep, if she spends her off time at the bus station? 

[eel2178]

On 10/12/2023 at 2:56 PM, possibilities said:

Yes, Zeke had other options, like hiring help, calling someone, trying to get another delivery (like food) and asking that person to hand him the package, getting a longer pole or a broomstick to push the package closer, trying to get one step outside instead of all the way, etc.

I was thinking "Why doesn't he just McGyver some sort of grappling hook?"

[kathyk2]

2 hours ago, eel2178 said:

I was thinking "Why doesn't he just McGyver some sort of grappling hook?"

Telehealth is popular now why doesn't he have a therapist? I liked that the victim was someone the police wouldn't take seriously I watch enough true crime to know that it's truth in television.

[bros402]

16 hours ago, luna1122again said:

I think Shanola Hampton is great looking, and a good actor, but I have a hard time buying she's supposed to be in her mid thirties. And I still can't figure out how old MPG/Sir is supposed to be. The age progression sketch of him looked way older than he actually looks.  He honestly looks better in the present than he does in the flashbacks. 

I'd still be onboard if turns out he's not really down in Gaby's basement, but is a construct of her imagination. But I don't think he is. 

Can someone explain to me what Kelli Williams' character is actually DOING at the bus station? Does she just think her son is going to show up on a bus? I don't get it. Also, when does she sleep, if she spends her off time at the bus station? 

Yeah, I think she's supposed to be maybe 36 at most? She looks like she's 13-16 in the flashbacks and yeaaah she doesn't look mid thirties in the present. I would guess 45 or so?

I don't know how old Sir is supposed to be either - him in the past looks like he's supposed to be 30+

I believe she is at the bus station every single night expecting her son to just reappear at that bus station? It seems like she sleeps there every night.

So, do we think her son is going to appear at the end of the season? Or that there will be a hint about his whereabouts? Since it seems like everyone else was kidnapped.

[Johannah]

On 10/10/2023 at 11:55 PM, Brown44 said:

Technically she wasn't kidnapped so should she be on the wall? And they found a little girl that looks like she could be a younger version of Lacey but they couldn't find a teenage version that looks closer to Gabi? 

Well, she was "found", so...

[Johannah]

On 10/12/2023 at 9:17 AM, Chaos Theory said:

...

I am not certain about Sir in the basement.  The logistics don’t bother me.  The why doesnt bother me.  The how doesn’t bother me.   It’s how long can the show keep the dynamic going before it gets repetitive and make Gabi look really bad.   Right now they can play it off as trauma but eventually something needs to be done about the dude locked her in basement.  

I wonder if she's going to release him after the number of days she was held captive.  But that holds another whole set of concerns.  She can't just release him.  Does she somehow say that she just caught him and turn him in to the police - hoping they'll believe her and not him?  Does she kill him?

See?  It's better if he's just a character she made up in her head to help her work out her cases... but that's seeming less likely as I watch more episodes (well, only one more ep so far.) 

Edited October 14, 2023 by Johannah
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[DanaK]

I’ve only watched the pilot so far and I found it pretty intriguing, though the pace was a bit too frantic. The end with Sir as a prisoner in the basement was certainly a twist though you wonder how long they can go with that plot point. I found the first episode interesting enough to keep watching so we’ll see how it go and as someone else said, there aren’t a lot of options this Fall, especially if you aren’t much into reality shows

[EtheltoTillie]

But if Kelli Williams sleeps at the bus station, how will she see her son if he walks by?   I thought she was on constant surveillance and not sleeping.  Did they show her sleeping?  I didn't see that, but I wasn't paying the closest attention, especially in the second episode.  The second episode was not as good as the first.  

[Lady Jane]

21 hours ago, Johannah said:

I wonder if she's going to release him after the number of days she was held captive.  But that holds another whole set of concerns.  She can't just release him.  Does she somehow say that she just caught him and turn him in to the police - hoping they'll believe her and not him?  Does she kill him?

See?  It's better if he's just a character she made up in her head to help her work out her cases... but that's seeming less likely as I watch more episodes (well, only one more ep so far.) 

I think it might be interesting if she either lets him go after the one year and 8 days she held him, but in some way that makes him coming back really difficult. Or, he could escape (or she could let him escape?) and they could spend a while on him taunting her, then her remotely seeking his assistance, etc. I think it is hard to imagine how this show will go on for multiple seasons.

[eel2178]

8 hours ago, EtheltoTillie said:

But if Kelli Williams sleeps at the bus station, how will she see her son if he walks by?   I thought she was on constant surveillance and not sleeping.  Did they show her sleeping? 

The bus arrival times are probably staggered enough at night so that she can sleep between arrivals. It doesn't explain, however, what would happen if he arrived on a daytime bus when the station was much busier. We also haven't been told why she is so convinced he'd be arriving by bus, or why he wouldn't be able to find his own way back to her house from the bus station if he had escaped from a captor and jumped a bus back to DC.

As an aside, I've been to the DC bus station both as a passenger and to pick someone up, and it is nowhere near as small and as clean as what they're trying to pass off as the real thing.

[KeithJ]

I know they’re doing good looking for people who are missing but we’re just supposed to overlook it when Gabi and her team illegally detain and threaten people?  Then Trent shows up and he’s like “you better listen to her”?

[AnimeMania]

S01.E03: Missing While Widowed 

The team launches an investigation for widower Reggie Moore at Cliff’s request, the doorman at Reggie’s building. Gabi comes to a realization about her time with Lacey. Margaret hopes to repair her relationship with someone important from her past.

Premiere Date: Tuesday, October 17, 2023     NBC          10pm   

Ezra Knight as Cliff
Tamara Austin as Hollis (More/Brown?)
Ron Flagge as Reggie Moore
Matthew Zuk as Julian Barker
Anisa Nyell Johnson as Detective Shaker
Candy McLellan as M&A Receptionist
Callie McClincy as Taylor Reed

[Trini]

On 10/12/2023 at 1:58 AM, Trini said:

I assume they'll directly address it at some point, but I'm guessing Gabi still feels some guilt that Lacey got kidnapped. ...

Okay, right in the next episode! The interplay between Gabi and Sir is interesting; but I don't know if we can 100% trust either of their recollections.

It was cool to get a bit more backstory, etc., about 'Mom-whose-son-got-kidnapped'; but to me that made her life seem even more depressing. Not sure if that was the intention.

Might have to watch this one again to get the proper timeline of events with the kidnapee.

The only character that not really working for me here is Supposedly by-the-books Cop Ex who is constantly letting Gabi do illegal/shady things. I assume that Gabi would do those things anyway, it's Cop Ex's hypocrisy/wishy-washiness that's annoying me.

[Frisky Wig]

I’m curious as to why Sir kidnapped Gabi. I know kidnappers abduct children/teens to use as sex slaves or housekeepers but Sir has stated during flashbacks that he hasn’t touched Gabi. Did he just want someone to sit at his dining room table and discuss classic literature? 

[Chaos Theory]

8 hours ago, Frisky Wig said:

I’m curious as to why Sir kidnapped Gabi. I know kidnappers abduct children/teens to use as sex slaves or housekeepers but Sir has stated during flashbacks that he hasn’t touched Gabi. Did he just want someone to sit at his dining room table and discuss classic literature? 

I don’t think the show wants to go the SVU route.   I got turned off that particular show pretty quickly.  I can see Sir wanting Gabi as a replacement daughter for maybe one he lost or killed.   Which is why he isn’t particularly upset about being locked in her basement.   

[possibilities]

The power and control of a captive is more satisfying to some people than a real relationship. 

[FlowerofCarnage]

10 hours ago, Frisky Wig said:

I’m curious as to why Sir kidnapped Gabi. I know kidnappers abduct children/teens to use as sex slaves or housekeepers but Sir has stated during flashbacks that he hasn’t touched Gabi. Did he just want someone to sit at his dining room table and discuss classic 

It's a some twisted mentor/mentee, father/daughter thing with him, IMO!  He sees himself as brilliant and views Gabi as having the potential to be just as brilliant.  He took her because he wants to groom her to be his intellectual equal and companion. 

[MarylandGirl]

I really liked this episode. I found the case to be interesting and Gabi annoyed me less than in the first two episodes. I also suspected the bank guy--he seemed a bit off to me. I liked how the doorman was at the hospital at the end.

Agreed that Kelli Williams (I keep forgetting the character name) seemed more depressing here (does she ever sleep?). Maybe now that her daughter understands more, she might come back in her life some? I was half-expecting her to tear up the emancipation papers. But if she needs them for financial aid reasons, makes sense to keep them, I guess.

I do think maybe Sir wanted Gabi as a possible replacement daughter. I was watching an old episode of Without a Trace that had a similar plot, so it makes sense. Or perhaps to replace a younger sister who died when she was Gabi's age, something like that? I assume we'll find out eventually.

[statsgirl]

I find Gabi keeping Sir locked in her basement disturbing, at the least very unhealthy on Gabi's part. The removal of books and cleanliness objects seems twisted even if he did try to manipulate her. There must be someone else she can talk to, this isn't Silence of The Lambs.

Now that we know Margaret's story, we also know how deeply wounded she is. (Kudos to Kelli Williams for playing Margaret so broken),  I'm wondering if any of Gabi's team is emotionally healthy.

[luna1122again]

Kelli Williams is doing a good job as Margaret, but this episode actually made me lose some sympathy for her. I get that she was traumatized and devastated by the loss of her son, but to the point that she gave up her other children, essentially abandoned them, all these years? I'd understand if her daughters hated her. She chose her own trauma and sadness and loss over them. I get that maybe at first that could happen. But she's a productive member of society, busily solving cases and reuniting lost people and their families..but never bothered to try to heal herself enough to reestablish a relationship with the children she has left? 

And again, when does she sleep? No wonder she looks so wan and limp all the time. 

And again...MPG looks younger in that basement than he does in the 20 year old flashbacks. 

[AnimeMania]

I think the main source of Margaret's trauma is that her son was lost on her watch. She probably doesn't trust herself to look after any of her other kids and she spends all of her time trying to correct the mistake that she made.

[possibilities]

I've been taking courses in trauma recovery and it seems like the newest research says that many of the protocols in common practice often not only don't work, but can do more harm than good in some cases. And that the practices used in mainstream grief therapy have the terrible track record of only being effective approx 50% of the time. 

This is not to say that people can't heal or that they shouldn't try. I have also known people who DO heal, and I am not a fan of excuses. But some people don't make it. 

I have known people who I got very impatient with because of how stuck they were about their trauma. But this research has made me reconsider that maybe even people who are trying are sometimes  not able to really fully heal, or are not able to access the resources that would make that happen for them (even people who would benefit from therapy often can't access it), and some give up because they think there is no hope or that they don't deserve it or they just can't figure it out.

It seems like Margaret is compartmentalizing, which allows her to function at work nowadays, but that she didn't function at home, and felt too guilty about it to even try later on once her marriage dissolved and her custodial rights were terminated and the relationships severed.

One thing I love about this show is that it shows that people are often more complex than we realize, and people who are high functioning in one area might be basket cases in another.

I like that Margaret is trying to make amends in her own way, by helping others, even though she gave up on her own happiness and has never gotten over what happened in her own situation. 

It shows that people who have suffered or are damaged in some way can still do good things, make a tangible contribution to society, and deserve love and respect, regardless of whatever else is wrong with how they function.

Courses in trauma recovery can be found here:

PESI.com

They are geared toward professional therapists but are open to lay people as well. 

Edited October 20, 2023 by possibilities

[Driad]

“I do think, half of what we call madness is just some poor slob dealing with pain by a strategy that annoys the people around him.”

― Lois McMaster Bujold, Mirror Dance

[Meedis]

I knew when the bank manager was so quickly throwing the victim's niece in the mud as a suspect that he would end up being the unsub.    It is interesting seeing the dynamics of the team.    What are the odds that both of Zach Morris's (I mean Sir's) victims would be working together to try and reunite other missing folks?  I could imagine the guilt (masked as anger) Gabi would have every time she looked at Lacey.  Loved the scene between Margaret and her daughter at the bus station as they each worked to understand the other person's shoes.   Interesting show all-around.

[Tachi Rocinante]

Watched the first episode.  The ending would have been so much better if they hadn't given it away in the fucking preview.

[AnimeMania]

1 hour ago, Meedis said:

It is interesting seeing the dynamics of the team.    What are the odds that both of Zach Morris's (I mean Sir's) victims would be working together to try and reunite other missing folks?  I could imagine the guilt (masked as anger) Gabi would have every time she looked at Lacey.

I would imagine that the two girls being from the same area and experiencing the same trauma, allowed them to bond. Lacey seeing Gabi as her saviour and protector and probably one of the few people that Lacey can trust and let her guard down around. Gabi being older and successful allowed her to bankroll Lacey's college education and Lacey chose a profession that might be useful to Gabi, by keeping Gabi on the right side of the law.

[possibilities]

I wonder what happened to Gabi's father, who she missed while in captivity, and if we will ever learn about Lacey's family, as well.

[statsgirl]

I got the feeling that Gabi deliberately put her team together composed of people who had experienced their own traumas so that they would be better able to find missing people and to have sympathy for those who are missing and overlooked by law enforcement. Margaret for example taught herself to notice everything from being at the bus station and Lacey is in law school so that she can help Gabi with her work.

[bros402]

So it sounded like Not-Cop-Guy on the team knows something weird is going on with her (Maybe he knows that she has Sir in the basement?)

This episode was definitely an improvement over the first two!

[Trini]

On 10/20/2023 at 11:05 PM, possibilities said:

I wonder what happened to Gabi's father, who she missed while in captivity, and if we will ever learn about Lacey's family, as well.

Yes, I really want to know about Gabi's family in particular, and the circumstances around her kidnapping. I'm sure they'll get to it; but I hope they don't wait too long.

[AnimeMania]

S01.E04: Missing While a Pawn 

When 13-year-old Matthew disappears from church, the teams spring into action. Gabi endeavors to keep the divorced parents focused on the search. Gabi is forced to make a devastating choice. Lacey makes a keen observation about Gabi.

Premiere Date: Tuesday, October 24, 2023     NBC          10pm   

Elijah Everett as Wendell 
Dana Gourrier as Andrea Robinson
Zander Grable as Tony Edwards
Sterling Jones as Patrick Edwards
John Henry Ward as Xavier Phillips
Steve Maurice Jones as Jeff Robinson
Blake Cameron James as Matthew Robinson
Cruz Abelito as Charlie
Doris Woodruff as Miss Evelyn
Tangela Large as ER Doctor

[seasons]

I’m really enjoying the show. It’s the first time in a long time that I’ve looked forward to watching the new episode each week. At the end of the first episode when they revealed that.Sir was living in the basement, I gasped! That hasn’t happened watching TV show in ages for me.

 

I understand, comparing it to other shows, but I’m just watching it for what it is and suspending my disbelief for certain things that don’t quite add up.

I really like the characters, the pace of the show, the writing and the acting. Etc. , so that’s enough for me. The show does a great job of keeping me interested, surprising me, and distracting me from stuff each week.

I look forward to watching things unfold. Such as more development and the backstory of the characters. The show also does a good job of putting it out there about issues like trafficking, disproportionate coverage of the missing, when it comes to different races. I’m in. 

[Trini]

I like that this show defies my expectations sometimes, and that it's not a straight procedural. The serialized elements and the characters are actually compelling; and it feels like they put some effort into that as well as the procedural parts.

Maybe more thoughts later...

[jmonique]

I like the show, the stories are fine but the acting is better.

That being said, I get stuck on where Gabi is going with the Sir in the basement strategy. What's the endgame? He doesn't seem like the type to be chastised after going through what he put how many girls through. She's a smart woman, and keeping this man in the basement of her actual home for 8 months to a year -- not, say, some remote cabin in the middle of nowhere, even -- seems like something one can't jut walk back with a "my bad" when it goes sideways.

[possibilities]

1 hour ago, jmonique said:

That being said, I get stuck on where Gabi is going with the Sir in the basement strategy. What's the endgame? He doesn't seem like the type to be chastised after going through what he put how many girls through. She's a smart woman, and keeping this man in the basement of her actual home for 8 months to a year -- not, say, some remote cabin in the middle of nowhere, even -- seems like something one can't jut walk back with a "my bad" when it goes sideways.

I think her endgame is death, frankly. She thinks her only way out of her pain is to solve Annie's case, and then she doesn't care what happens to her next. I think she's planning to surrender, not get away with it.

She held it together for Lacey, now she's holding it together for Annie. I think someone needs to help her, but she's trying not to implicate anybody else in her activities, so she's not confiding in them about how she's doing.

[possibilities]

This show highlighting the vigilante aspects of the team, vs Trent's "by the book" process, is interesting to me. 

On the one hand, yes, it's good to nod to ethics and ask the moral question as to whether it's right to punch a suspect or a suspected witness in the face or otherwise threaten them. Police procedures exist for a reason.

On the other hand, I think it's pure copaganda to make Trent and the cops be representative of ethics.

It's a tough line to write well, and I wonder where the show will eventually come down-- are they going to decide that Gabi is justified in what she's doing? That Dahn threatening people is a means that is justified by the ends? Are they trying to say that due process rules are no good, and need to be tossed out or reformed? 

Many shows skirt this issue and just hero worship the vigilantes (I stopped watching Hawaii 5-0 because of issues related to this problem-- they were official but acted like vigilantes). And many shows worship the police. I think this show is raising some of the issues with each type, but I don't know yet what they are going to do about it.

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3 hours ago, jmonique said:

That being said, I get stuck on where Gabi is going with the Sir in the basement strategy. What's the endgame? He doesn't seem like the type to be chastised after going through what he put how many girls through. She's a smart woman, and keeping this man in the basement of her actual home for 8 months to a year -- not, say, some remote cabin in the middle of nowhere, even -- seems like something one can't jut walk back with a "my bad" when it goes sideways.

Well that's the tension, isn't it? How is this going to get resolved, because it's definitely going to blow up at some point. I don't know if Gabi has actually thought through an endgame. I feel like if she's found out she'd be willing to face the consequences. (Lacey at least will probably find out.) However, I think Sir might escape, but more likely, he dies - in whichever way they want to write it so that Gabi doesn't go to prison.

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Edited October 25, 2023 by AnimeMania