Season 25 Live Feeds Discussion

[Lady Calypso]

Also, Matt 100% wasted his power, but the good thing it did was help put America into a better position with Family Fields, which is key for her surviving a couple more weeks. 

I get the sense that Cirie doesn't like half the house but I've seen her interactions with America and it feels like she's 5% more interested in America talks than with someone like Blue or Bowie or Red.

Likeability will help a lot, at least short-term. Sure, Cirie will still gladly let her go, but I get the feeling she does now want to keep America because she's realizing she enjoys her more than most of the house.

Now, that being said, if Matt wins HOH on Thursday, America is pretty much a goner. So no Matt for HOH....or Cam....or Red...or Bowie.

Shit, we're running out of good options for HOH already.

[Nashville]

2 minutes ago, blixie said:

it's like everyone thinking America is closer to Cam than Red. What fucking planet are the on?

The only time Syria would voluntarily be close to Cam would be to serve him with the papers for her restraining order.

[Nashville]

Just finished watching my DVR of tonight’s broadcast; anybody else of the opinion Jared didn’t come off near as smooth in this episode as (based on his THs) he seemed to think he did?

Granted Cameron didn’t come off very well, either - but I think Jared came off worse than Cameron, and I wasn’t sure how that was possible.

[blixie]

This is good but the picture should be Jag as Dory in Memento.

 

[30 Helens]

2 hours ago, blixie said:

This stuff used to be more fun with the people being mentally broken down were awful famewhores but Jag is genuinely such a nice guy.

That’s what makes it so hard to watch. He’s so nice, and so dumb, that I can’t even make fun of him. I don’t watch this shit to feel sad, but that’s what it’s come to.

2 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

get the sense that Cirie doesn't like half the house but I've seen her interactions with America and it feels like she's 5% more interested in America talks than with someone like Blue or Bowie or Red.

Cirie would never like Blue because she’s leading Baby Idiot astray. (Not for the myriad other reasons she should not like Blue, but that’s beside the point.) But as for the rest… I think a lot of the reason Cirie doesn’t like so many people is because of how she’s playing the game. She chooses to stay in her room like a queen and let her worker bees do most of the interacting with the drones. So her opinion of everyone is colored by the opinions of the two most paranoid and disagreeable people in the house, Izzy and Felicia. Of course, that’s totally on her. She could ditch the gray bathrobe and choose to play the damn game. But she doesn’t, because she doesn’t have to. 

[Lady Calypso]

6 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Cirie would never like Blue because she’s leading Baby Idiot astray. (Not for the myriad other reasons she should not like Blue, but that’s beside the point.) But as for the rest… I think a lot of the reason Cirie doesn’t like so many people is because of how she’s playing the game. She chooses to stay in her room like a queen and let her worker bees do most of the interacting with the drones. So her opinion of everyone is colored by the opinions of the two most paranoid and disagreeable people in the house, Izzy and Felicia. Of course, that’s totally on her. She could ditch the gray bathrobe and choose to play the damn game. But she doesn’t, because she doesn’t have to. 

I would actually slightly disagree with this. I do think she does go around and have those chats with other houseguests, but because she's MOST often cleaning up her minions' messes. I agree that some of it is definitely clouded by opinions of some of her minions (someone elsewhere labelled them Field Mice and I also love that a lot) but I do feel like Cirie is playing, though half of her game is cleaning up the messes made by her inner circle. Strategically, I do think she's a mess. But socially, she has not been alone in this house for more than a minute because she's constantly surrounded by people. 

They're coming to HER to talk to her, and it's constant, so I do think that she's playing, but she's also lucky she can also just lay back more because she knows the rest of the house will come to her to chat eventually.

But maybe that's the issue she has, in that she's never alone (Izzy's like a leech, and Felicia's not much better; has Felicia had chats with ANYONE other than Cirie?) and maybe she needs to tell everyone to screw off for a couple of hours so she can have some peace and quiet. She needs time to reflect that's not just when she's going to bed, and I don't think she ever has that time to do so.

Also, in other news, Jag agreed to go up on the block as a "pawn". Cue him looking shocked when it's another 10-0 vote and he blames America for it, because she apparently controls the house or whatever.

[peachmangosteen]

57 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

... has Felicia had chats with ANYONE other than Cirie? 

Plenty. She actually talks to people too much lol and that's why Cirie/Izzy/Meme are really annoyed with her. I don't know why they aren't more annoyed with Cory because he does the same thing.

That's one thing that really annoys me about Cirie, she acts like she hates everyone being around her 24/7 yet if someone doesn't check in with her she gets mad.

[blixie]

I think it's important to remember Cirie isn't really playing for herself she is only there for Baby Idiot, now obviously she loves this shit, like when she complained to Meme that it was a madhouse that never lets up, I was like lady it is YOUR mad house you built it. As she said in her DR she thinks Jared is turning into a great player so her sitting back a bit and feeling like she doesn't have to tend every garden makes sense with that lens, and obviously I don't think Jared is a great player, but he's absolutely not as bad as people pretend, no matter how unsavory a person. See if he were the one getting done like Jag I'd LOVE IT.

[Thalia]

9 hours ago, Nashville said:

Just finished watching my DVR of tonight’s broadcast; anybody else of the opinion Jared didn’t come off near as smooth in this episode as (based on his THs) he seemed to think he did?

 

Oh yeah.  And production had to have done the lion's share of the edit before he called America a name.  They focused on his dumb decisions and not him and Blue, which makes me think they've discovered that absolutely no one cares about their "romance."  He's in it for the sex and she wants the post show Tik Tok clicks. 

 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Thalia

[blixie]

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he blames America for it,

The very least these shady ass Producers can do is make sure he understands who is to blame for him leaving. And then hold up a mirror. LOL kidding. I hope America says goodbye and tells him he refused to listen to the person who was on his side and instead trusted every single other person who didn't give a shit about him.

Hopefully he is self aware about this and actually knows he's most likely leaving
 

Edited September 4, 2023 by blixie

[IndyMischa]

1 hour ago, blixie said:

 

Hopefully he is self aware about this and actually knows he's most likely leaving
 

I would call that hope highly doubtful. HIGHLY. The man is a moron. 

[Lady Calypso]

1 hour ago, blixie said:

Hopefully he is self aware about this and actually knows he's most likely leaving

He doesn't. He thinks he's a pawn and agreed to it, AND Blue also volunteered Jag herself to be a pawn. Neither are good at the game in any sense. They will still think that he's staying up until the eviction. He has no self awareness; if he did, he would have realized that he shouldn't have been pushing so hard for answers this week and realize that he got lied to by the house. He hasn't really figured that out.

Someone compared Jag to Dory from Finding Nemo, and it's accurate. He keeps forgetting information he's given to live in blissful unawareness.

[Drogo]

I’m dying every time I read “Baby Idiot” 

[peachmangosteen]

Jag actually does have self-awareness. It just randomly enters and leaves his brain lol.

 

[Thalia]

 Matt is horrified because Felicia hasn't heard of Sharknado.  

[blixie]

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Someone compared Jag to Dory from Finding Nemo, and it's accurate.

That was me! I suppose the upside to him leaving is you won't have a Cirie-phant in Jury? The biggest bummer for us all is we are stuck with Red and Cam who are not fun to watch even and bad at the game so ugh.

Some people seem to be mad at Cory on Twitter for talking to Cam, but like if they are losing Jag it's the only alt option he and unfortunately America have to recruit the Bowie/Cam/Red numbers. I think they should be talking to Meme too but I think it will be far more difficult to peel her off as she's in better position than either them even if she's still in bad one as 2nd outmost layer of Cirie's onion.

I really wish we knew more about Meme's actual strategy re: Cirie because while she rants to the camera about dumb things people are doing she gives nothing away about how she beats the I/C/F (really Jared) core or why she would risk going to a F3 with the likable to most people Felicia or the god like Cirie, who does she see taking with her to take on Cirie other than Cory and America? 

[peachmangosteen]

Unfortunately, I think Meme wants her alliance to remain in tact until F8/7 and then she thinks she’s going to be able to win comps and make moves. This was Cory’s plan as well. And Cameron’s. And Matt’s. And Jag’s. Hopefully, these people realize that’s not a good idea but outside of maybe Cory, I don’t think they do.

[peachmangosteen]

Jared comes out of the DR spewing his anti-America bullshit again. Production, you ain’t slick lol.

[Nashville]

13 minutes ago, Thalia said:

Oh yeah.  And production had to have done the lion's share of the edit before [Jared] called America a name.  They focused on his dumb decisions and not him and Blue, which makes me think they've discovered that absolutely no one cares about their "romance."  He's in it for the sex and she wants the post show Tik Tok clicks. 

 

Personally, I found this latest episode rather… I guess “cloying” would be the best word: Jared mealy-mouthing his way through his THs trying to rationalize his nomination of Cam as somehow being morally justified (when everybody and their grandmother’s cat knows he’s simply picking who Mommy told him to), interspersed with Cirie’s “my baby’s growing up” THs - liberally sprinkled with servings of Cirie wiping at her eyes while proclaiming “I’m not going to cry, I’m not going to cry….” Just in case we forgot for a moment and thought this might be Big Brother, donchaknow, and not another installment of The Cirie Show. 🙄

Now I am not a Cam fan by any means, but did his statements to Jared - that Red was his boy, but only one of their names could go on that winner’s check and Cam preferred that name to be his - strike y’all as rising to the level of throwing Red UTB?  IMHO they didn’t; rather, they were a simple acknowledgment of the bare bones of the game - and let’s face it, Cam’s understanding of the game’s strategies is about as simple as they come.  Jared’s statements were simply his insipid attempts to try to justify his nom of Cam as somehow morally justifiable, which is twenty pounds of horseshit in a ten- pound sack.

[jsm1125]

42 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Unfortunately, I think Meme wants her alliance to remain in tact until F8/7 and then she thinks she’s going to be able to win comps and make moves. This was Cory’s plan as well. And Cameron’s. And Matt’s. And Jag’s. Hopefully, these people realize that’s not a good idea but outside of maybe Cory, I don’t think they do.

Agreed about Meme. Plus, I think Cory and America individually did really try with Meme in the first couple of weeks of the game, but she didn’t give them much of anything. 

[Ivana Tinkle]

1 hour ago, Nashville said:

Personally, I found this latest episode rather… I guess “cloying” would be the best word: Jared mealy-mouthing his way through his THs trying to rationalize his nomination of Cam as somehow being morally justified (when everybody and their grandmother’s cat knows he’s simply picking who Mommy told him to), interspersed with Cirie’s “my baby’s growing up” THs - liberally sprinkled with servings of Cirie wiping at her eyes while proclaiming “I’m not going to cry, I’m not going to cry….” Just in case we forgot for a moment and thought this might be Big Brother, donchaknow, and not another installment of The Cirie Show. 🙄

THIS. I'm getting total Dick/Daniele flashbacks and feel like there is no other outcome for this season other than a Cirie/Jared final 2 and CBS will get to keep the prize entirely in the Fields' family. Lame.

[Lady Calypso]

So, feeds are back. Jag's officially on the block and really believes this is a "trust exercise" with the house.

[pennben]

Lordy. Jag’s gonna land on his ass in this trust fall & gonna be surprised again. Damn.

[Katrina Kate]

This is Big Brother, the house that Wack built.

[30 Helens]

2 hours ago, Nashville said:

Now I am not a Cam fan by any means, but did his statements to Jared - that Red was his boy, but only one of their names could go on that winner’s check and Cam preferred that name to be his - strike y’all as rising to the level of throwing Red UTB?

I wondered about this, too. With all the talk about betrayal and how he “done Red dirty”, I expected something more. Maybe there was and they didn’t show it? Or maybe it just got twisted in translation? We all know Jared isn’t great at language, after all.

2 hours ago, jsm1125 said:

Agreed about Meme. Plus, I think Cory and America individually did really try with Meme in the first couple of weeks of the game, but she didn’t give them much of anything. 

Meme has turned out to be quite the disappointment, hasn’t she? With her early storeroom rants, I had high hopes for her as the voice of frustrated reason. But it’s not enough to recognize what others are doing wrong; you have to capitalize on that with a strategy of your own, and so far I haven’t seen that.

58 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

So, feeds are back. Jag's officially on the block and really believes this is a "trust exercise" with the house.

As of last night, they had decided to keep Jag and cut Red. Has this changed back again? Not that it won’t swap another 2-3 times before Thursday, anyway, so I guess it doesn’t really matter. But I kind of hope they’ll pull the plug and put him out of his sweet, dumb misery.

[pennben]

27 minutes ago, 30 Helens said:

Meme has turned out to be quite the disappointment, hasn’t she? With her early storeroom rants, I had high hopes for her as the voice of frustrated reason. But it’s not enough to recognize what others are doing wrong; you have to capitalize on that with a strategy of your own, and so far I haven’t seen that.

I haven’t given up on Meme yet. She’s laying low & staying safe for now. I think she’s quietly keeping herself safe & gathering information for later. Her name never comes up now, so that’s good for her. No reason to jump too soon. I’m keeping my eye out for her…

[blixie]

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Her name never comes up now, so that’s good for her. No reason to jump too soon.

You can't ever jump if you have no boat to jump to. The question is who is Meme building relationships with to flip on Cirie/Izzy? Jared No Bowie No Matt No, Blue No, that's six and leaves her/C/A/ possibly Felicia. Math ain't mathing. 

Anyways I just realized we have 48 full hours for the target to land back on Red, with the needle going back and forth every evening between 9pm -2am.

[peachmangosteen]

5 minutes ago, blixie said:

You can't ever jump if you have no boat to jump to. The question is who is Meme building relationships with to flip on Cirie/Izzy? Jared No Bowie No Matt No, Blue No, that's six and leaves her/C/A/ possibly Felicia. Math ain't mathing. 

Exactly. After the first week, she stopped putting any effort into building other relationships. Hell, she barely puts in work in the relationships she has in the alliance!

[Lady Calypso]

39 minutes ago, pennben said:

I haven’t given up on Meme yet. She’s laying low & staying safe for now. I think she’s quietly keeping herself safe & gathering information for later. Her name never comes up now, so that’s good for her. No reason to jump too soon. I’m keeping my eye out for her…

I think the main issue is that Meme has not formed any sort of relationships outside of her Brown Sugar Babes, or whatever, so when it comes down to it, she'll easily be sacrificed over others. She also has shown to be very strong-headed in her choices so when it comes to a time where she disagrees with the rest of her alliance, they are more likely to let her go because "she's a problem."

She's laying WAY too low and not forming connections that she needs to. It's going to cause her downfall where I can see her either being one of the first three in jury when she's one of the first to be sacrificed to protect Family Fields, or she's one of the double eviction boots.

If she was actually good at the game, she would have taken advantage of the relationship with America that she's been trying to form since week 1. She hasn't. She would be branching out to talk to anyone not named Jared, Cirie or Felicia. She has not.

Therefore, there's a low chance of her getting past final 7, especially given her stronger opinions. She may be able to have Felicia go before her, which is good for her, but she doesn't have anyone that's willing to fight for her, at the end of the day, and that is why she's not going to get to the endgame.

[Thalia]

4 hours ago, Nashville said:

 

Now I am not a Cam fan by any means, but did his statements to Jared - that Red was his boy, but only one of their names could go on that winner’s check and Cam preferred that name to be his - strike y’all as rising to the level of throwing Red UTB?  IMHO they didn’t; rather, they were a simple acknowledgment of the bare bones of the game - 

1 hour ago, 30 Helens said:

I wondered about this, too. With all the talk about betrayal and how he “done Red dirty”, I expected something more. Maybe there was and they didn’t show it? Or maybe it just got twisted in translation? We all know Jared isn’t great at language, after all.

 

I admit that part of my problem is I don't like Cameron, and that is a large part of it.   Red is a fame whore like the rest of them, and he was right there with Cameron last week as far as "gettin the big head" because they had all the power.  But from what I'm seeing, Red was torn up over being put on the block with his Beard Bro.  It seemed liked Cameron jumped over Red's bleeding body post-nomination, and ran up to see Jared to make sure he was safe.  "Red, who is this Red, of who you speak?"  At least Jag and Blue spent some time crying all over each other before they started campaigning to stay.

Red probably overreacted, but his is a social game too and there is a way to handle being on the block with your BF not so much F, and Cameron didn't take that route. 

Edited September 4, 2023 by Thalia

[pennben]

I’m still watching Meme, for now…since information completely flows through house no matter who is talking, she’s not coming up now. Nothing good would come of her cozying up to America/Cory now. She’s very low on target level within her core and outside…Felicia/Izzie/ lots of names up, hers not. I’m assuming she’ll pick opportune moment to strike/branch out.  When options for opportunity are eliminated, she could be in prime position.  I could of course be wrong & she could be ‘pawn’ & easy vote soon, but I think she has a couple more weeks before a strike….assuming she will do it. 

[Drogo]

My problem with Cameron and Red is mostly that they’re so fucking stupid. 

[Katrina Kate]

52 minutes ago, blixie said:

Anyways I just realized we have 48 full hours for the target to land back on Red, with the needle going back and forth every evening between 9pm -2am.

Cirie and co. are like hostage takers vacillating between who they will keep [on the block] and who they will release. Lots of bargaining with negotiators and no trust on either side.

[blixie]

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she barely puts in work in the relationships she has in the alliance!

Exactly and her name HAS been in peoples mouths the whole week of Felicia's HoH because she wasn't checking in with the Brown Sugar Babies OR Bye Bye Bitches, I think the Cam week and PoI made everyone forget about their Meme concerns but sooner or later that mistrust will crop back up. She is not in bad position per se but she's not in a good one and if she keeps helping Cirie/Izzy vote out alternative options the math is not on her side, Also I'm not sure how she makes a move if she has no relationship to work from. It's one thing for Cory or America to go to Cam or Jag or even Matt and say Cirie is running Barter Town, it's another for Meme to do so out of nowhere with any of the others. Most won't believe her and the rest won't believe her and run it back to Cirie. They are doing it to C/A and they have a relationship with them so IMO the sooner she turns on Cirie, when the numbers are actually there the better.

[dizzyd]

I’m wondering if some of them are already resigned to not winning 1st or 2nd or even AFP but are just laying low for the meager 1K/week stipend and the rest are delusional into thinking they have any chance. And if somehow s goat wins, it will be an unpopular win and a boring season. From what I’m reading of feed updates (coz I stopped watching), there’s hardly any updates of game value and even those feel like just rinse and repeat of the same thing, nothing that’s getting me revved. 

[Joan of Argh]

On 9/3/2023 at 8:50 PM, Lady Calypso said:

Jag got evicted, got saved, and instead of COMPLETELY changing his game because it proved that his current game wasn't working as he got voted out 10-0, he's playing not even just the exact same game, A WORSE GAME.

It's so frustrating because Jag is actually a very likeable individual, one of the best in the house, but he might be top 10 worst Big Brother players, and that's saying something.

😂😂😂

Exactly, I can’t believe how shitty Jag is at this game, I have to laugh because otherwise I’d be crying! 
He’s a nice person but wow, totally in way over his head, it’s like watching a baby try to play the game.  

[Brian Cronin]

I still can't believe that you folks are underestimating a guy who was smart enough to pursue THREE MAJORS in college. 

[Callaphera]

9 hours ago, 30 Helens said:

Meme has turned out to be quite the disappointment, hasn’t she? With her early storeroom rants, I had high hopes for her as the voice of frustrated reason. But it’s not enough to recognize what others are doing wrong; you have to capitalize on that with a strategy of your own, and so far I haven’t seen that.

I'm still not convinced that Meme is even alive. I've literally never seen her moving or talking on the feeds - I think I saw her kinda lurking in the background once but I swear, she never moved. I need a HG to hold a mirror under her nose while she's sleeping to see if she's breathing because I know robotics and AI are getting good but I didn't know they were that good yet.

Or just poke her with a stick or something. Anything.

[Brian Cronin]

I sort of admire the fact that Cirie and Felicia are so much alike that they, like, are SO CLOSE to each other and yet neither one fully trusts the other one because they know that they ARE so much alike, and thus they know what THEY'D do in this situation, ya know?

[SummerDreams]

11 hours ago, Ivana Tinkle said:

THIS. I'm getting total Dick/Daniele flashbacks and feel like there is no other outcome for this season other than a Cirie/Jared final 2 and CBS will get to keep the prize entirely in the Fields' family. Lame.

Don't they see that this is not interesting for the viewers, both casuals and superfans? I mean, ok, lets say that Cirie wins. What will the result of this season be? That Cirie, who everyone loves, got into Big Brother, she had her son without anyone knowing it (Izzy you don't count, your mind is mash), she had production helping her with twists and diary sessions that guide the players to make decisions, and oh shoot, she won. And? Will this be a satisfying result for the fans of Cirie? Will this be a season superfans will remember for good game play?

8 hours ago, Drogo said:

My problem with Cameron and Red is mostly that they’re so fucking stupid. 

Rob had the best quote. He said "What if Red considers America fast because he is too slow?" :P

[Brian Cronin]

"America" liked Evil Dick, so I imagine they'll enjoy Cirie's win, and applaud her, and she'll be talked about like a great player, a la Derrick. Heck, people will give her credit for keeping her secret a secret. 

[Lady Calypso]

Honestly, with how few options we have for winners this season due to this stupid twist, Cirie winning would actually be one of the better options.

I mean, our other options are a guy who just started seeing women as people (yet still calls them females), a guy who likes to call women he dislikes "dumb bitches" (and has questionable podcast tastes) and a guy who keeps trash talking his showmance because he thinks it's helping to keep their target down (it's not). 

The next best person to win after Cirie would be America, but with these misogynistic men in the house, she would need to be next to someone like Bowie Jane to have a chance. 

As much as I hate it, Cirie HAS been putting in the work. Actually, I think Cirie's gone out of her way to make things harder on herself. She keeps making risky choices instead of safe choices, and we know she'd dominate if she played it safe. 

[peachmangosteen]

15 hours ago, Lady Calypso said:

If she was actually good at the game, she would have taken advantage of the relationship with America that she's been trying to form since week 1. She hasn't.

I'm actually really confused by why Meme just fully gave up on the relationships she was building with Cory and America the first week. That could have really come in handy for her now. I just think she doesn't really like interacting with many people and so once BSB fell into her lap she thought she was solid and could just stop trying. Very bad gameplay. I do get hating everyone though lol.

12 hours ago, blixie said:

IMO the sooner [Meme] turns on Cirie, when the numbers are actually there the better.

Yea, imo it's definitely not too early for anyone to turn on Cirie. She is the lynchpin of the game so you get rid of her and then maybe there's a chance a whole new path opens up. The longer she is there, the less chance there is for anyone's position to change.

12 hours ago, dizzyd said:

I’m wondering if some of them are already resigned to not winning 1st or 2nd or even AFP but are just laying low for the meager 1K/week stipend and the rest are delusional into thinking they have any chance. 

Oh, for sure. That happens every season and particularly when you have a 'star' amongst newbies they're gonna think globbing onto that star is their ticket to more appearances, more followers, etc. And then yea you have the few (Cory, in particular) who think they're actually the smartest bestest player there and that they can wait it out and then bam make the big move. But that opportunity never comes because they're taken out lol.

Cirie is not playing well but she's Cirie and she has her secret son there so it makes no difference.

[Lady Calypso]

Just now, peachmangosteen said:

I'm actually really confused by why Meme just fully gave up on the relationships she was building with Cory and America the first week. That could have really come in handy for her now. I just think she doesn't really like interacting with many people and so once BSB fell into her lap she thought she was solid and could just stop trying. Very bad gameplay. I do get hating everyone though lol.

Yeah, I think this is it. She doesn't want to exert energy with people she doesn't particularly feel like she needs to and she thinks she's solid with her current alliance. Except she'll be one of the first to go because Cirie doesn't remotely care for her. If Felicia is safe one week, Mecole will be thrown up and she will go, no doubt. She's playing for no more than 7th place. 

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

Cirie is not playing well but she's Cirie and she has her secret son there so it makes no difference.

I think Cirie's social game is off the charts. She's started to turn people like Red against Felicia. Yes, it helps that these people are really bad at comparing notes, but she's putting in the effort. In fact, I think Jared being there screws up her game more than helps. That manchild has been throwing tantrums left and right and it's a wonder not a single person has him on their radar. 

[peachmangosteen]

1 minute ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think Cirie's social game is off the charts. 

I just think a good part of that is simply because she's Cirie so like I just don't give her that much credit for it tbh. But then, I've always found her overrated as a player, even when I still liked her.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I just think a goods par of that is simply because she's Cirie so like I just don't give her that much credit for it tbh. But then, I've always found her overrated as a player, even when I still liked her.

That's fair. I was never a really big fan of Cirie (that being said, I've only seen her in Micronesia and then The Traitors) but I do think her social game is her saving grace, as her strategic game is actually quite poor. I think people gravitate to her for a reason and I get it. 

But also, we know for a fact that only a handful know who Cirie is. Nobody else seems to be Survivor fans outside of Izzy and Cory (maybe America too), and Cameron watched The Traitors. I remember day 2 or 3, someone was asking Cirie how well she did on Survivor and her response was "which time" and the person was shocked it was more than once. 

I actually think this cast, besides Izzy and Cory, genuinely don't give a shit about Cirie's stardom because they really don't have any idea of her legend status. 

[blixie]

The thing is re: her status I think everyone should be (and actually IS) able to see she is the power in the house but instead of wanting to take it out they are all groveling for 2nd-whatever place. The bad game play goes beyond not comparing notes, they HAVE compared notes and are like interesting, too bad I'm powerless to change my fate or the game at all, and while I like Cirie and think she's good I'm still prone to feeling it's more about the fact that casts are majority recruits simply do not GAF about "the game". Which makes Jag all the more sad because I think his own mind he wants to play the game. 

 

Also apparently last night Matt quoted Andrew Tate and said how he loves to hang with this boys and not worry about bitches. And Jag gave zero push back, he's in a tough spot there but c'mon.

Edited September 5, 2023 by blixie

[Thalia]

54 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

[Cirie has] started to turn people like Red against Felicia.

I wondered what happened.  I was late watching in bed last night and Bowie was trying to comfort Red, who didn't just buy a ticket on the train to Bittersville, he's bought out a whole car.  Red told her that if he gets voted out he's going to blow-up Felicia and Cam.  

And I really wondering what Cam did, and I hope they show it on the show tomorrow.  It has to be more than them just being on the block and Cam not immediately standing up to sacrifice himself.  Cause if that is all it is?   Well Red, bless your heart.

Edited September 5, 2023 by Thalia

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43 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I just think [Mimi] doesn't really like interacting with many people and so once BSB fell into her lap she thought she was solid and could just stop trying.

I think you’re right, but it makes no sense that she would feel so secure. I rarely see her talking with that alliance. (Hell, I rarely see her anywhere. Does she have a secret hiding place in the storeroom where she naps between rants?) I don’t know why she thinks she could just make a week 1 alliance and never nurture it, and it would still be good.

 

39 minutes ago, Lady Calypso said:

I think Cirie's social game is off the charts.

37 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

I just think a good part of that is simply because she's Cirie so like I just don't give her that much credit for it tbh.

I actually agree with both these statements. I think Cirie is very charming and comes off as very down to earth, very approachable. I think people find her easy to talk to and likeable. But I also think people (especially the famewhores) gravitate to her partly because of who she is— someone with a level of fame they also want. And while many of them may not have known about her before this game, they certainly know now. I’ve seen some of them get very wide-eyed and impressed when they heard about all the games she played. The fans just want to be in her presence, while the famewhores want to ride her coattails. Either way, it’s a win for Cirie.

[Lady Calypso]

3 minutes ago, Thalia said:

I wondered what happened.  I was late watching in bed last night and Bowie was trying to comfort Red, who didn't just buy a ticket on the train to Bittersville, he's bought out a whole car.  Red told her that if he gets voted out he's going to blow-up Felicia and Cam.  

And I really wondering what Cam did, and I hope they show it on the show tomorrow.  It has to be more than them just being on the block and Cam not immediately standing up to sacrifice himself.  Cause if that is all it is?   Well Red, bless your heart.

I know there was something earlier yesterday where Cirie was talking with Red in the kitchen to check in and she was essentially blaming Felicia for things being "up in the air" this week. I can't remember the specifics of what she was saying to Red, but it clearly worked on him. I guess, if there's a vote flip because Cirie gets bored, Red will leave, blaming it on Felicia.

As for Red/Cam, from the pieces being gathered, it sounds like Cam was throwing Red under the bus BUT in a way that makes Red look bad outside of the game. From what other theories have been put out there, Cam was saying Red was calling America a bitch when he was calling her Victoria (from BB16, I guess?). But there's also a theory floating around that Cam was saying that Red was trying to flirt with America/other women, and Red isn't a fan of that because it paints him in a bad light with his 21 year old girlfriend and that's why he's worried she's going to leave him if she believes it's true.

Again, all theories for now, but just judging from how upset Red got and how we know he was talking about leaving to salvage his relationship, and we know he DID say that he called America a "Victoria" (they caught that on feeds), it certainly makes sense as to why he's upset.

That being said, Red HAS been weird toward America from what we've actually seen so him calling her a bitch and all that isn't out of the realm of possibilities. 

In related news, it's Red's birthday and Cirie/Felicia and others were doing some preparation for it yesterday and it seems like they've decorated early this morning (for when Red wakes up?) I'm not on the feeds to see the result, but that's kind of nice, I guess.