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rmontro

rmontro

3 hours ago, seacliffsal said:

I think Gordon pushed out the wrong person.  For all of her statements about being such a good front of house person, service certainly fell apart on opening night and it can't be blamed on the back of house as they were all from Gordon's restaurant(s).  For whatever reason, Gordon seemed really fond of Kelly. 

Well, he couldn't really have pushed out Kelly, because she was the one who had the money invested.  That would have been a villainous move.  Can't help but notice Gordon usually favors the ladies though.  When he went out to talk to the female influencer food critic, "Introduce me to your dad".  Lol, he said he was kidding, but I wonder how many times he's used that line. 

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This abusive jerk Chris and his mom and future mother in law babying him at Love Bites.   He disgusts me.  Yelling mean insults at his fiancee, blaming anxiety. He’s so much like my ex…I hate him so m

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I think the Bask owner is just trying to prove how "tough" he is as I'm sure he has gotten lots of comments about identifying the problem (chef) but being unable to fire him.  I don't know why so many

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Here's the thing, GR is an asshole, but he respects and responds to 1) people who work hard 2) people who listen to his advice If you talk back or argue, he's going to come at you 10x. If you tak

vibeology

vibeology

Why does Kelly co-own a restaurant? She admitted to knowing nothing about inventory or food pricing or much of anything related to the business, she doesn't cook and the restaurant concept came from Ray. Why did she decide to open a restaurant? And how did she and Ray connect in the first place to come up with this plan? I feel like so much backstory is missing. I think I'll just never be satisfied with what we get in 42 minutes.

I assume the sous chef quit because Kelly announced the restaurant would likely close. Get out and away from the drama and get a new job before the money runs out. The servers should be doing the same.

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jcbrown

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2 hours ago, vibeology said:

Why does Kelly co-own a restaurant? She admitted to knowing nothing about inventory or food pricing or much of anything related to the business, she doesn't cook and the restaurant concept came from Ray. Why did she decide to open a restaurant? And how did she and Ray connect in the first place to come up with this plan? I feel like so much backstory is missing. I think I'll just never be satisfied with what we get in 42 minutes.

Agreed that it would have been good to get answers to these questions. The main thing I learned in this episode is never to go into business with Kelly. Or Ray, for that matter, he was certainly a jerk. But what on earth would make you decide to invest a bunch of money into something you know absolutely nothing about and just leave it in a black hole where you can't tell what is happening to it? And why did she keep snivelling to the staff about her bad financial decisions? I found that quite off-putting and I would have bailed with so much boundary-crossing. Her bad financial choices are not their problem and after she made them public, it would have been more prudent to leave and find more stable employment.

I think this episode tried to center the relationships while giving us hardly any information about them so that was kind of a frustrating waste of time.

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NJRadioGuy

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I don't see this one lasting for the long-haul. The relaunch sequence was ridiculous since it was Gordon's menu and Gordon's chefs executing it. Of course everybody would love it. The whole business with a co-owner "walking away," even though he had zero invested made no sense, especially since he had control of the bank account.

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Haven't posted in this thread before, but I was a couple eps behind so watched Love Bites last night, then read the truth about the restaurant backstory here. With that in mind I tried the El Cantito episode and turned it off after the bloody chicken incident, which was so patently staged. Gross as raw chicken would be, salmonella wouldn't have set in within minutes of consumption, if that's what we were meant to assume, and the likelihood of this whole vignette unfolding while Gordon's there and has just talked with the guys is ludicrous. I've always taken elements of this show with a grain of salt but I don't think at this rate I can take any of it even as entertainment without being annoyed.

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rmontro

rmontro

13 hours ago, vibeology said:

Why does Kelly co-own a restaurant? She admitted to knowing nothing about inventory or food pricing or much of anything related to the business, she doesn't cook and the restaurant concept came from Ray. Why did she decide to open a restaurant? And how did she and Ray connect in the first place to come up with this plan? I feel like so much backstory is missing.

Yeah, it does seem like a lot of backstory is missing, and/or maybe they told us and I just missed it.  I don't think they said it, but Kelly and Ray seemed to have some sort of relationship going on.  Maybe Kelly had money to invest and depended on Ray to run the business, that was their partnership.  She brought the money, he contributed the know-how.  He just apparently didn't know quite as much as he thought, or he didn't care.  Funny how he jumped back in when the restaurant started to become more successful (if we're to believe what we're told).

I know Ray was cast as the villain in this, but I can empathize with him a little.  Especially if he didn't agree to having the show come in.  I know if I was trying to do my own thing, and Gordon Ramsey was coming in, I don't think I'd care for it either, unless I specifically wanted his help.  Because you just know he isn't going to like anything you cook, and he's going to pick it apart like it's garbage.  

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seacliffsal

seacliffsal

Gordon referenced how much Ray was paid, but never mentioned how much Kelly paid herself.  There may be a lot more to the debt accumulation than we have been told.  Especially considering that she may have pulled money from the business to pay for her own expenses.  Kelly never really explained why Ray took (and she gave it to him) financial control.  Maybe he found out she was mismanaging the money.  Gordon really tried to make it seem like big bad Ray was taking advantage of Kelly, but Ray had a competent chef (Daniel) in place for when he wasn't there and took over the finances after Kelly accumulated a huge debt (which she told everyone about in order to create a poor pitiful me story).  I think both of them are to blame for their mess of a business, but Gordon took it out on Ray and not Kelly with all of her other endeavors (Botox Tuesday...). 

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12catcrazy

12catcrazy

Would somebody please tell me what the point of this show is?  It appears more and more fake and it's not even entertaining.  You'd think that Gordon Ramsay would have enough on his plate (pun intended) rather than waste time on this crap.  The show has become more "Iyanla Fix My Life" and less about trying to keep potentially good restaurants from closing down.  

Kelly in this episode was a hot mess and yeah, it really begged the question what her and Ray's actual relationship was to where they were "partners" in this place.  And you have to ask yourself, what kind of job did she have before this to where she had all of that money to invest and that she didn't even have access to the business bank accounts boggled the mind.   I kept thinking "Lady, you don't need Gordon Ramsay, you need a really good lawyer and accountant".  

And can somebody please answer why in God's name do people who have never worked in a restaurant want to open one?   Work in a good place for a while and find out how damn hard it is and get a clue.  At the very least read Anthony Bourdain's "Kitchen Confidential" . 

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Tango64

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The show's promising concept is ruined by sticking to a strict, never wavering formula. We can all recite it ourselves and we know what scene is coming up next as we watch. I'm sure the formula makes production and editing very efficient but it makes every episode feel like the last one. Just change the names, force some emotion from the owners and staff, and move on to the remodel and new menu. End with Gordon outside summarizing and walking off as he mutters about something he couldn't beleive.

Throw in what we now know is a lot of fakery, and you've wasted a good premise for the sake of churning out episodes. I guess they're counting on us to hang on in hopes of seeing something genuine. 

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GHScorpiosRule

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 Okay, color me surprised, but the second show, “Diwan” took me back to the show I enjoyed. Bobby was a stubborn old goat, but in the end, he came around.

When Bobby said the “clientele had changed” I knew what he meant-for example, there’s a restaurant in DC-The Bombay Club that used to have authentic Indian dishes. President Clinton, who loves Indian food, ate there regularly. Which of course, had a lot of non-Indians going there to eat. But their palates couldn’t handle the spicy dishes-the thing that made them authentic. But to keep them coming, they changed the recipes-making some of the dishes so bland, you might as well just buy a frozen meal. Only a couple of dishes has the kick and authenticity. 

Did Bobby do that with his inane attempts at Mexican-Indian, middle-eastern fusion?

I absolutely adore Fernandes! If I ever find myself in Port Washington, I may check it out. Maybe.

I covet that painting Gordon put in of the Indian woman! And draping all those saris! That’s something I haven’t seen before. 

And now we had Mehreen show up.🙄 Is this Gordon’s way of helping out those who got booted from Next Level Chef?

Who will show up next week? Or is it two weeks?

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vibeology

vibeology

So I don't believe for a second that Bobby really changed. He played along for the cameras but I bet if someone went to Diwan today, he'd be in that kitchen. I just don't believe Gordon making him sit down to one dinner with his wife changed him. 

Gordon should have scooped up Fernandes and ran out the back door. Fernandes is the only positive about that restaurant and his rough edges could be smoothed out.

The hot dog restaurant was a more fixable mess. Jen, her ex husband who was so bland and quiet that I've already forgotten his name and MK all need to work in separate restaurants. And Jen is a bad owner. MK was right about so many things. The restaurant should use a rotation so that all the servers have roughly the same number of people in their section and all have the same opportunity for tips. Payroll shouldn't be done on paper in 2023! And yes, if you're scheduling yourself a shift as a server, you should be wrapping your silverware! Jen acted like she was above that but I do wonder if Jen was above the tips she got while filling that position or whatever it was she said. But MK was wrong for taking the job in that environment, she's wrong that it's Jen's job to build the ex up when he's fucking up basic cooking and her tone was at times so passive aggressive that I wanted to smack her through the screen.

Jen is a restaurant nepo baby who seemed to skip out on so many lessons along the way. She doesn't know the food, she doesn't know how to do payroll, she doesn't understand how to be fair to her servers. She probably had a theft issue if she had to fire several people suddenly but she should be able to hire someone who isn't the younger girlfriend of her ex husband. And her logic that she'd rather pay her ex than a chef who would run the kitchen is very dumb. With the amount of food that we saw go in the garbage because he can't cook it he's costing her money.

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NJRadioGuy

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On 12/6/2023 at 4:05 PM, jabRI said:

My favorite line last night was Gordon saying you can get a better hot dog at 2 in the morning in Times Square.  My son swears NY street hot dogs are the best in the world.  Don't think too much about where they come from, how long they've been sitting in water... just enjoy!

Your son is absolutely right. NYC street meat is legendary, although I personally prefer a trip down to Nathan's in C.I., just outside the BMT subway station.

Soft pretzels are also the best hot off a cart. The halal carts do a huge business too but that's not my cuppa. 

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MyMaui

MyMaui

The owner of Max's should have let the husband go and get a chef. He did nothing and then take the girlfriend too. He was lazy and didn't care. How stupid to hire her.  I would have fired her in front of Gordon with her talk back. 

I found it funny after the remodel they showed two Jersey show castmates and then Joe and Melissa from RHONJ except Joe and Melissa got one shot lol.    Funny how that whole MK scene of her on her knees pleading is just like what Melissa did.....staged much?

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KeithJ

KeithJ

Iberville Cuisine seemed too bad to even be true. Bonnie was like a cartoon character with her ridiculous facial expressions and incompetence. Camille whose “lifelong dream” was to own a restaurant and he’s there for a couple hours one day a week?  Employees making $40 or $0 a day and they haven’t quit yet? In the walk-in Gordon says the food is gone and Bonnie is like “it’s not going to make anyone sick”.  She is really questioning Gordon and disagrees with everything he says?  This restaurant doesn’t deserve to survive.

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Shrek

Shrek

55 minutes ago, CrazyInAlabama said:

The terrorist that used a rented Tesla Truck (EV because it weighs more) and killed at least 10 people, and injured many more.   

The Tesla truck was definitely Las Vegas & exploded in front of the Trump hotel, the rented truck that killed 10 people in N.O. was a Ford F150 pick up I think. 

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KeithJ

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It seems like Gordon was able to turn it around and Bonnie was able to step up.  I was wondering where Camille was the entire episode and then thought it was hilarious that Gordon kicked him out of his own restaurant.  I guess there goes his lifelong dream.  lol

One thing though, why is that one grill so high in the kitchen?  I’ve worked in a kitchen before and a grill that high is going to constantly burn your arms when you’re reaching for something at the back.  It really seems like a safety hazard.

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PupCal

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2 hours ago, KeithJ said:

One thing though, why is that one grill so high in the kitchen?  I’ve worked in a kitchen before and a grill that high is going to constantly burn your arms when you’re reaching for something at the back.  It really seems like a safety hazard.

I know! We were just shocked at how high that flame was. I couldn't believe Gordon didn't say anything about it.

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NJRadioGuy

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Like all of these restaurant-fixup shows, I've always contended that ignorance can be fixed, but lazy cuts right to the bone. She admitted she was ignorant about All Things Restaurant and so long as she applied the same study habits she did in learning to be a nurse to learning what Grrr and his people taught her then I think she could do OK in the long-term. But breaking bad habits is hard as hell to do, and I'm not confident that the cheapness and laziness won't reoccur down the line. I give the place 12-18 months, tops, once the Superb Owl windfall profits are used up.

Hopefully the plumber's apprentice-turned-line cook will have the good sense to go back to turd herding where it's less foul and pays 10x as much as that restaurant, and then they can hire an actual real chef who can implement Gordo's new menu properly.

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Yeah No

Yeah No

The last two episodes were hard to watch. These owners are too far gone to make successful. It looked to me like the woman had mental and medical issues. She is dangerously thin. I hate to think it's anorexia but whatever it is, it looks very unhealthy and I don't think she is either mentally or physically able to put in the work necessary to run a restaurant. Plus it's obvious she knows nothing about food. I've watched so many of these restaurant makeover shows that I doubt that the influence of a good chef on their chef is enough. Owners like this often go back to their old ways once that's all over. I hope not but I don't feel optimistic.

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GHScorpiosRule

GHScorpiosRule

22 minutes ago, Yeah No said:

The last two episodes were hard to watch. These owners are too far gone to make successful. It looked to me like the woman had mental and medical issues. She is dangerously thin. I hate to think it's anorexia but whatever it is, it looks very unhealthy and I don't think she is either mentally or physically able to put in the work necessary to run a restaurant

It looked to me as if Bonnie had cheek implants put in. They protruded so much they didn't look natural. And then her eyes. Sorry, but all I could think was "BRATZ" Doll.

 

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Yeah No

Yeah No

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40 minutes ago, Colorado David said:

if she has this condition i do feel sorry for her, i dont want anyone having to deal with any disease. plus the added stress of running a restaurant.

I have Hashimoto's disease which is kind of the opposite issue from Graves and comes along with hypothyroidism and other medical issues. But I would know better than to attempt to run a restaurant. I don't mean to be unkind either. I feel sorry that she might have a disease but I don't feel sorry for her restaurant problems because they are self-caused.

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Colorado David

Colorado David

1 hour ago, Yeah No said:

I have Hashimoto's disease which is kind of the opposite issue from Graves and comes along with hypothyroidism and other medical issues. But I would know better than to attempt to run a restaurant. I don't mean to be unkind either. I feel sorry that she might have a disease but I don't feel sorry for her restaurant problems because they are self-caused.

i am sorry you deal with that. life is hard enuff without dealing with diseases.

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