Utopia (US) Live Feed Discussion

riverheightsnancy · September 14, 2014

Thanks so much Zahdii. Very grateful that the vets told them the right way. I have hope that Hex will be able to turn this around. Did they cook the venison?

Zahdii · September 14, 2014

They cooked some last night. I assume the rest is in the freezer.

Rapunzel · September 14, 2014

Mike is telling Dede that having sex on camera might damage his career. He wants to run for DA and this won't look good. Too late for that Mike.

Yeah, completely agree that it is way too late for that. One of the stupidest things anyone who wants to run for public office can do is to be on a reality show of this type, let alone have sex with someone you barely know on camera for millions to see. I would think most people really wouldn't want a reality TV "porn star" as their DA.

Many of these people are still quite young but they need to think about how some of the things they are doing on this show are going to impact their life and negatively affect their careers and other future opportunities. I work at a large Fortune 100 company and I have a team that I manage and, in addition to doing a very thorough background check on any potential candidate, I check their social media sites and whatnot to find out more information on them. No matter how good someone's resume may seem to me, if they have something out there on the internet that is objectionable or controversial they typically don't get called in for an interview or offered a position. There are privacy settings on social media sites but so many people don't even consider using them when they're out looking for a job and just leave it all out there for anyone to see. Behaving the way Bri, Chris, Mike, Dede and others are on this show will very likely have an affect on any of their future prospects as everything that they've done on this show will be out there indefinitely for some prospective employer to find. Any reputable, successful company is very unlikely to want to be associated with people who behave despicably and/or have sex on camera for millions to see.

All they get out of this is their weekly stipend - they don't even win $500k or anything like that. If they make it the whole year, they'd get $52k before taxes, which is definitely not going to last them long. I know many of them are major famewhores and are banking on this turning into a bigger opportunity for them, but the chances of that are very unlikely.

Mike is an attorney in Manhattan, so I'm pretty certain he makes more than $52k per year so that makes me think he's a bit of a famewhore and wanted exposure more than anything else. Unfortunately he is not getting the type of exposure he wants and he can pretty much kiss his chance at being DA goodbye. It may even affect him getting a job at many other law firms (or keeping his current one assuming they hold his job for him for a year, which legally they aren't under any obligation to do).

ETA: Oh, and Zahdii, because it can't be said enough - your recaps are absolutely brilliant! :-)

Edited September 14, 2014 by Rapunzel

RedheadZombie · September 14, 2014

She doesn’t just benignly ignore the animals, she actively prevents others from knowing they need more care and helping them.

And that's where neglect crosses into abuse. Neglect is simply a failure to act. Bri is now attempting to prevent others from helping the animals.

But Bri is the veterinary equivalent of the kind of babysitter that screws her boyfriend on the couch while an infant is upstairs in a crib crying and needing to be changed and fed. I don't know whether she likes animals or not, really.

Let me expound on the analogy. Parents are ultimately responsible for their babies. They should provide dependable sitters, give clear instructions, and (in this day and age) install a nanny cam to spy on the sitter. This does not mitigate the fact that the babysitter is banging her boyfriend on the couch as the baby screams. The parents are busy and are behind on monitoring the nanny cam. They notice the baby has a diaper rash, not much formula is being used, and the place is a mess. They buckle down and analyze the nanny cam. They observe the neglect/abuse and fire the sitter. Production is the parents, Bri is the sitter. I want the sitter fired.

There are plenty of people not pulling their weight in Utopia. I depend on Zahdii's description of events, and she is reporting that Bri is ignoring the animals, lying about what the farmer and vet said, lying to the farmer and vet about what she does, and attempting to block others from getting too involved, because they'll discover her lack of work. It seems to me, that Bri is expending a lot more effort into lying and pretending than she would have to expend in the actual proper care of the animals. I despise Bri. In my mind, she is no different from the mothers who let their teenager's pitbull starve to death tied to a tree, exclaiming the kid said he'd take care of the animal. It is an indifference to suffering. The fact that Hex - a person perfectly willing to kill an animal outright - is more sympathetic to the animals than the girl claiming animals should be treated equal to humans, says it all.

They obviously need some sort of leadership system. I thought it was funny when Hex said they didn't need Rhonda to stick around, because they didn't need another boss. They have no boss. These people, as a whole, are so incredibly laid back they let money be robbed from the safe, they watched the money get wasted on doritos, oreos, and meat that could not be refrigerated. They let The Utopia State of Freedom be formed, and only giggled at the anarchy. They've allowed an assault, a death threat, a forced kiss, food theft, and almost allowed a violent man back in after he evicted himself. They have Bella bossing around people in her garden, and no one seems to truly question her knowledge or expertise. They are putting full faith in Bella for the garden, like they are giving full faith in the animals to Bri. The difference is, the garden can die without pain and suffering.

Josh, Rob, and Mike have shown some leadership abilities. Josh and Rob are taking charge in the building/plumbing, etc. Mike and Rob have shown they do well leading votes and forming a consensus. Aaron seems to take some responsibility for the food and cooking. I hate that I can't say more about the women. I think both Hex and Amanda have leadership abilities, and I had high hopes for Amanda - that have crashed. I saw Red roll some kind of cigarette. I'm wondering if they're all staying high night and day. Amanda seems to be totally unconcerned that her baby is coming, and they don't have one supply for it. She states she won't set it down because it's too dirty. How does she envision using the bathroom, bathing, doing chores? I guess that will be her get out of work card - can't do it, sorry, gotta keep the baby off the dirty ground. She also seems completely unaware that babies are often born prematurely. I'm sure they'll fly in a helicopter and ship her off when she goes into labor, but she doesn't seem concerned.

It looks like they installed the toilet and the shower in the middle of the human barn. Are they really going to the bathroom and showering in public? I know these people are exhibitionists, but most people draw the line at taking a dump in public.

green · September 14, 2014

Bri sleeps, steals eggs and food, sits in Chris' lap, and has sex with Chris. Oh, and does yoga. The animals were interfering with her pursuit of those things. When the farmer came and told her what needed to be done she did not do it and she lied about what he said to the others. She doesn’t just benignly ignore the animals, she actively prevents others from knowing they need more care and helping them. She is completely selfish and willfully refusing to do what needs to be done on a task she has taken on. If she didn’t want to do it she could say so.

Last night she lied to the vets about what she is doing, tried to cancel the vet appointment for Monday, and complained that the vets were 'so negative', like they were so unfair and picking on her or something. When told they needed more water, she wanted an automatic water filler instead of just adding more water manually. It's two cows!! Geez. She complains about everything she's been told the cows need. She complained when told the calf would need hand bottle feeding the first month. She's just a lazy shiftless young woman whose only interest is in lazing about and getting laid. I find her disgusting. If she hadn't lied about her knowledge of animals, lied about how she was caring for them, and then actively interfered with improving their care then then this wouldn’t be such a problem..

The fact that most of the other ‘pioneers’ are worthless too and spend their days doing yoga and talking and ‘resting’ doesn’t make Bri’s actions or lack of action any less culpable. Her specific task affects living animals.

And twenty is plenty old enough to be a responsible human being. She’s not a kid. She just acts like she’s thirteen.

ETA: I got my feed back! I changed browsers. I hope that was it.

I agree with everything you said. If you say you want to take care of the animals and don't and also don't let anyone else know what is going on and lie about it, it is on you. Period. 20 years old is way way old enough. She isn't some irresponsible kid. She just acts like one. Neglect the animals you begged to be in charge of, lie how things are going there, hide the info from others, try to keep the vets away all the while she is stealing food and lying about that too. She never works at all anymore. She just has never ending sex with a complete stranger on national TV.

Yeah, I'm not enabling that behavior by trying to explain it away because at 20 you don't have to be responsible at all. Yes, you do. You have to be responsible pretty much all your life and by 20 you have to be responsible at an adult level. Majority of soldiers who served in our wars were 20 or younger. Imagine if all of them acted like her.

DeLurker · September 14, 2014

She (Bella) goes to the chicken coop and is sobbing into the intercom

Haven't these chickens endured enough?

Hex, who does not seem to be the huntress they originally tried to spin her as, is turning out to be the only female of any redeeming value.

I understand those who are cutting Bri some slack because of her age, but that's not enough of an excuse to cover all the transgressions for me. If she was in over her head with the animals she needed to say so.

Zahdii - since so many of us are relying on your recaps, you are so in the power seat! Unless you tell us Red has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize or Bella's alien have shown up due to her garden circles, we'll probably buy it. With great power comes great responsibility...

Wildgypsie · September 14, 2014

All I can say is Fox can kiss $50 million dollars good bye.

Pixel · September 14, 2014

Zahdii, I jjust want to add to the overwhelming kudos for your recaps. I enjoy them a thousand times more than the actual show.

Edited September 14, 2014 by Pixel

kib · September 14, 2014

Mike is telling Dede that having sex on camera might damage his career. He wants to run for DA and this won't look good. Too late for that Mike.

If being a DA was an appointed position or was in the private sector I might agree but I can't imagine, given the body politic circa 2014, what transgression against man or beast would constitute being unfit for office? "As long as they spell my name right" and all...

Edited September 14, 2014 by kib

kikismom · September 15, 2014

He could make Mayor of Toronto. There's an opening right now I believe.

kaygeeret · September 15, 2014

Good thing she wasn't around when Red was telling someone that he "let the deer die peacefully. It took her about an hour." So much hate right now.

Whoa, wait, wait a minute. He let an animal take AN HOUR TO DIE when presumably he had the ability to dispatch it quickly and spare it suffering???!!!!!!

WHERE IS PRODUCTION?

What the hell is going on out there.

Is Red lying do we think?

I am just beyond gobsmacked.

Oh, how is it legal to kill a doe with two fawns? I'm too long away from hunting stuff, but this doesn't seem right as this is fall and winter is coming, shouldn't the fawns be out on their own - and of course they are no longer fawns if they are on their own..

Someone help me out with the real info here please.

ShellyD · September 15, 2014

Let me add my thanks, Zahdii!! Your recaps are hilarious. I love reading them.

JustAlison · September 15, 2014

Sigh. No idea how to simply erase my post, so please ignore this empty, useless space.

Edited September 15, 2014 by JustAlison

kikismom · September 15, 2014

kaygeeret:

Fawns are usually born in late May or June (a lot depends on climate in the area or region the live). They nurse about 2 or 3 months but might do it longer. If she really had twins with her, I'd like him to describe them. Females still go around with their mother for a couple years. Males take off when they are about a year old. If these were born this year, in May or June they would probably be weaned by now but I wouldn't swear to it. Just the fact that he's hunting in september makes me think these might be farm-raised deer, brought in by the production? Maybe that would circumvent hunting laws (I don't live in California so I don't know); on the other hand the state of California makes squillions from the entertainment industry and I always fear that "greases the skids" a little if you know what I mean.

I also fear that if it is farm-raised deer, then it is barely hunting because those will walk right up to people. It's just killing something and sounds like he doesn't know what he's doing at all.

Edited September 15, 2014 by kikismom

Wildgypsie · September 15, 2014

Nasty POS Red is for doing that to a deer. I know ppl have to eat and that's why man hunts, but to allow it to suffer for 1 hour and leaving behind 2 babies, knowing that they might not survive is cruel.

backformore · September 15, 2014

Red tells Bella that he shot this doe because she has twins and he saw her kick one of them away when they wanted to nurse. Mama deer is a bully, she must die.

WTF????

If the fawns still need to nurse, then he didn't do them any favors by killing the doe. If they're old enough to be on their own, then the doe was weaning them - by kicking them away(NOT being a bully!) Either way, they might starve without her help finding food.

BUT - Am I wrong in thinking he'd have a tough time carrying a full-grown adult deer on his shoulders? I'm no hunter, but there are deer and elk around here that look to be pretty damn BIG.

kaygeeret · September 15, 2014

Thanks kikismom, farm raised makes some sense.

I still don't get anyone who was raised to hunt, letting an animal lie there fro an hour until they died........

Justallison, I was responding to information from the live feed, so posted it here. You are correct that it could easily be in the animal discussion.

I am not an animal activist nor am I a vegetarian of any stripe, however, I am acutely conscious that we have great power over the animals in our control and it offends me deeply when we cause harm and pain to animals who have no recourse. Because the show was not designed in a smart way, we are seeing some unnecessary harm/pain - albeit temporary - to said animals.

Red claiming to sit and let an animal suffer tossed me over the top.

I'm not even sure I believe Red at this point he is such a crazy pants.

kikismom · September 15, 2014

BUT - Am I wrong in thinking he'd have a tough time carrying a full-grown adult deer on his shoulders? I'm no hunter, but there are deer and elk around here that look to be pretty damn BIG.

There's another thing that depends on area/region. In Florida you wouldn't expect a whitetail over 120 ibs; in the Northern and Western states, you could not be surprised by bucks being 200-300 lbs and such. Heaviest was a 400lb, I think.

Does are quite a bit shorter and a lot lighter.

Edited September 15, 2014 by kikismom

RedheadZombie · September 15, 2014

Supposedly he had gutted it and let her bleed out, which would lighten her up. Do I dare hope he waited until she was dead to gut her? Ugh, even when there's good animal news there's bad animal news.

DeLurker · September 15, 2014

I think the doe was supplied by Production already dead and gutted. Red is just spewing the lines they gave him . The hour comment was just to rile up us viewers - well viewers by proxy -to keep the chatter on their program.

kikismom · September 15, 2014

I think the doe was supplied by Production already dead and gutted. Red is just spewing the lines they gave him . The hour comment was just to rile up us viewers - well viewers by proxy -to keep the chatter on their program.

Yeah, I'm trying to figure out how if the doe was taking an hour to die, and so it obviously not a killshot, wouldn't the others remark on it having been belly-shot or see an obvious wound in a place like the rump that would not kill the deer right off?

Wait--just realized I'm expecting deduction from people who put a toilet where they eat,

It was probably the same deer the women saw in the first episode when they were sitting together. Remember: "Goddess Circle!"

DeLurker · September 15, 2014

He (Mike) could make Mayor of Toronto. There's an opening right now I believe.

If we can export to Canada, I say we send someone more offensive and/or toxic. So far Mike is only guilty of being a bit annoying and a lack of common sense & foresight. Did he think being on reality tv was EVER a solid resume builder?

Edited because I can't do some stuff properly on my tablet (like use the masculine third person singular personal pronoun).

Edited September 15, 2014 by DeLurker

bagatelle · September 15, 2014

kaygeeret:

Fawns are usually born in late May or June (a lot depends on climate in the area or region the live). They nurse about 2 or 3 months but might do it longer. If she really had twins with her, I'd like him to describe them. Females still go around with their mother for a couple years. Males take off when they are about a year old. If these were born this year, in May or June they would probably be weaned by now but I wouldn't swear to it. Just the fact that he's hunting in september makes me think these might be farm-raised deer, brought in by the production? Maybe that would circumvent hunting laws (I don't live in California so I don't know); on the other hand the state of California makes squillions from the entertainment industry and I always fear that "greases the skids" a little if you know what I mean.

I also fear that if it is farm-raised deer, then it is barely hunting because those will walk right up to people. It's just killing something and sounds like he doesn't know what he's doing at all.

I was thinking production had something to do with it too. I've watched enough Survivor type shows to know that game doesn't suddenly show up, or rather, it does, but it's always very suspicious.

Also, the cameras weren't allowed out to watch Red do his hunting? They never are.

Not believing this for one second.

HurricaneVal · September 15, 2014

Stock animals take an enormous amount of feed and water and attention. Way more than an ordinary person who is only generally responsible for house pets would know. Lots of folks get a horse because they--or their child--want a horse, and they let it loose in a grassy fenced in area with a bucket for water to forage for itself. Maybe they supplement that with a bowl or so of feed. Some get chickens and let 'em scratch around and feed them kitchen scraps. They are clueless. Animals in captivity can't fend for themselves. And their care and upkeep is a LOT of work. Farming and ranching ain't easy.

I don't necessarily blame Bri for not knowing that going in, even though she's supposed to be a vet assistant. Most veterinary practices these days are small animal. Large animal practices are a fading speciality. BUT...after having the consultation giving her accurate and pointed instruction on the care and feeding, and how she (and others) were failing, and she ignored it and made excuses for why/how she was right she crossed a line. She's the "Ooooh! I so want a baby bunny at Easter!" type who lets it loose few weeks later when "cute" turns into stinky work.

She's young, but making up excuses about why you didn't get your homework done, and lying about your (poor) care for animals ostensibly under your care are two very different things.

Zahdii · September 15, 2014

WTF????

If the fawns still need to nurse, then he didn't do them any favors by killing the doe. If they're old enough to be on their own, then the doe was weaning them - by kicking them away(NOT being a bully!) Either way, they might starve without her help finding food.

BUT - Am I wrong in thinking he'd have a tough time carrying a full-grown adult deer on his shoulders? I'm no hunter, but there are deer and elk around here that look to be pretty damn BIG.

I'm sorry I took so long to get back to you, but as others have said I'm not sure the Red told the truth. My suspicion is that Red was just being Red. He doesn't like Bella and made a smart assed comment after she was gone. That's my hope. He's made comments before about wanting to make 'good TV', and he's tried being on reality shows before. I think his story is just more 'good TV'.

Plus, I don't think he was alone out there and it just makes sense that he wouldn't be allowed to stand over a dying deer like that. I'm not even sure she was a nursing mama. Hell, I'm starting to wonder if Red even shot the deer himself.

For all I know he went into the woods, chatted up whoever was with him, filmed a couple of shots pretending to skulk around in the bushes and all that stuff. Then someone took him to the front gate, threw a previously killed and butchered deer over his shoulders and told him to look heroic when he walked in.

I wasn't thinking about all this when I recapped. It's hard to gather the goings on of 15 people over a 24-hour period and try to wring some coherency out of it.

Zahdii · September 15, 2014

9/14/2014 Sunday

Yesterday's vet visit must have really wore everyone out, as they don't start getting up until after 7:30 AM

Nikkie is doing her morning meditation on the dock.

Hex, Kristen, Red, Rob, and Taylor are all in the barn getting things done. Yep, you read that right, Red's working. And just as important, he's not being crabby about it. He might go back to hiding away for a series of naps later on, but he's helping out right now.

Right now Rob's being the surly one. He doesn't like barn work, he's not an animal person, and he just wants to sell every animal on the place and be done with it.

He really should keep his mouth closed, as the barn air is thick with flies. It's going to take at least a few days before the new cleanliness routine makes a dent in the fly population.

I'm not sure this is going to be a very fun day, there is a lot of negativity in the air. Some of the guys are talking smack about Bella, calling her too old and saying she doesn't have a good figure. I say she's nuttier than a fruitcake, but she's got a pretty darned good figure. Especially when you consider her age. I think they're just making fun of her because they don't like her.

Meanwhile, the people (Aaron and Kristen) hanging around the 'kitchen area' are griping because they don't have kitchen cabinets yet. Josh is getting blamed for that.

Bri and Chris got up, grabbed some food and wandered down to the barn. Bri pretended to help with the morning milking, and rubbed some fly repellant on the cows, then realized that with so many other people there working, she could go back to bed. So by 9:30 AM she and Chris are right back in bed asleep.

Red's done with helping in the barn, and now he's walking around muttering to himself about how everyone else is stupid, most everyone else is lazy (pot, meet kettle) and too much coupling up. Red wants to bring his wife to Utopia, he seems to think that he's got some kind of deal with Production to make that happen, but he says he has to get Josh out first because he's positive Josh will rape Reds wife. Josh will never live that first drunken night down...

To ease the bordem, throughout the day the guys have been putting on short shorts and prancing around in them. The ladies think it's hilarious. Even Red did it at one point. I imagine some of that footage will make it onto the show. Some blurring will be required, though ;)

Red says he's leaving tomorrow. No one even blinks.

Aaron and Kristen are still talking. Mostly Aaron complaining about everything under the sun and Kristen egging him on. If the conversation lags, Kristen will tell him what someone said or did and set him right off again. I don't know why she does this.

This might be a good time to mention something that might turn into a situation. Kristen is almost always glued to Aaron, and listens to him complain by the hour, but she also takes time to go help here and there or just sit and talk to other people. She's constantly listening to what everyone around her is saying and always on the lookout for something interesting that might be happening nearby. She's a terrible gossip, just as bad as Amanda, but a lot less subtle.

Her latest thing is to complain to people that Aaron is coming on to her and it's freaking her out. Then she'll tell Aaron that other people are asking if they are a couple and she's feeling pressured. Just what her goal is, I can't tell. We'll see if this dies down or grows into something bigger.

At 1:00 PM, they all have a meeting. They want to set up a system of government for Utopia. They each get three minutes to present their ideas. They all have a different idea. It's a lot to process.

Here, in alphabetical order, is what they all want:

Aaron wants a council that consists only of the people who arrived on the first day.

Amanda wants a small group to run things, but she has to be part of that group.

Bella wants everyone to take turns, but also wants a tribal council.

Bri wants a dictatorship, and if the group doesn't like what the dictator does they all band together and overthrow the dictator.

Chris wants a democracy, but not like the one the USA has.

Dede wants to experiment and try different styles of government.

Hex wants to ban money and religion, be self sustaining, and let anarchy reign. She's sure that everyone will self-police and all will be OK.

Josh wants to form groups based on everyone's skills, and each group runs one part of Utopia.

Kristen wants to have a system where they make money, but the ones who don't contribute don't get anything.

Mike wants everyone to just hang out, tell jokes, and just have fun.

Nikki likes Josh's skillset idea, but wants each group to designate a member to decide how to spend money and stuff.

Red wants to form groups that handle various issues, but rotate people between the groups so everyone is learning other skills.

Rob wants a democracy. Put someone in charge and present your ideas to that person and then everyone meets to vote on it.

Taylor wants skillset groups with assigned leaders. Also wants people to rotate between groups. And a counsil to decide on larger issues.

In the end they decide to let each person be in charge for three days and when it's over they'll vote again to see what is the best option. They draw names and Hex is up first. Starting tomorrow, Hex is in charge. After that comes Bri. I'm sure she'll be a lovely dictator.

Almost 3 PM and it's swim time. Dede's naked and chasing Mike around.

Aaron and Kristen are lying in the hammock while Aaron complains again about the nudity.

Not long after, Chris is complaining that the heat is damaging his guitar. He blames Production for not telling him that it gets hot in S. California.

Bri is venting to Chris. She says that when she's dictator, there won't be any chores done. She plans to order pizza and set the barn on fire. Can't imagine Production will let that happen. Bri is such a child.

Amanda and Red are discussing Bri. Say she's immature and incompetant. Then they discuss the order they'd like to nominate to get people out. They settle on wanting Bella out first, then go for Bri, Chris, Josh, and Aaron.

It's 4:30 PM, time for Yoga class. Meet Jenny, the only person to arrive. I have to wonder if Production is artifically limiting the number of people allowed to participate.

Bri and Red go to the barn to check on the animals. She put some hay out for the cows, but the feeds switched and I don't know what happened after that. However, they weren't in there for more than a few minutes. It's not milking time yet so I assume that someone will go back later for the evening barn chores.

Around 7, Aaron and Kristen are talking about Bella and Josh. Aaron says that Bella's on a lot of medicines because she's crazy and he's always afraid she's going to stab him in his throat. Amanda is lapping it all up, saying "Oh no! We can't have someone like that here."

Just earlier today Amanda held a Bible study for Red, Rob, Aaron, and Kristen. Amanda was giving a sermon about how they should all stop talking so negativly about each other and try to give each other the benefit of the doubt. That didn't last long, did it?

Now Aaron and Kristen are saying that Josh is a bisexual racist who makes snide comments about race to Aaron, but only when Aaron and Kristen are present. Then Kristen says that Josh wants her, and is jealous that she spends so much time with Aaron. Funny, just yesterday Kristen was flirting with Josh. He said she has great legs, great skin, all that, but she's not his type.

Now they move on to Red. He's a racist, too. He just hates black people. Aaron says he'd like to have killed Red the day they had their big fight. Yep, kill Red and claim it was an accident.

Red's many things, but he's done nothing to suggest to me that he's a racist. His best friend in Utopia was Dave, who was black. And he likes Amanda, who is black. Yet Amanda has yet to stick up for any of the people that their merry little group has been attacking.

It's now fully dark. Mike and Dede have snuck into the bushes. They're doing something, but your guess is as good as mine, because I won't watch. OK, I listened. Lets just say that from the sound of it they took turns helping the other out and they used their mouths to do it.

Everyone's asleep and Bri and Chris are now coming in from outside. Guess they found a good hiding place for their nightly romp. They're being really rude, deliberately making a lot of noise. They even woke Red up. He's up walking around and doesn't look happy.

Bri drank directly out of the milk jug and then licked the rim before putting it back in the fridge. Thanks Bri. God only knows what kind of germs you just shared with everyone else there.

Hex and Taylor fell asleep in the hammock, but have woken up and now come inside. Bri actually has the nerve to tell them to be quiet so they don't wake anyone up. Then she was giggling to Chris saying they were probably out having sex and that makes Hex so nasty, because Hex said that she didn't want to have sex on camera and didn't want to have sex with someone she didn't love. Yep, Bri is actually that self-unaware.

They make up some Ramen and dump a lot of the vienna sausages in there, then go outside to eat. Bri says she's enjoying being loud because everyone else gets up in the morning and that wakes her up, so she's just doing some payback.

Bri says that her reign as dictator will end in genocide. She can't possibly get any worse, can she?

Night all!

DeLurker · September 15, 2014

Once again, thank you Zahdii!

It's 4:30 PM, time for Yoga class. Meet Jenny, the only person to arrive. I have to wonder if Production is artifically limiting the number of people allowed to participate.

I think it is more likely that Production is forcing some poor intern to participate.

Edited September 15, 2014 by DeLurker

riverheightsnancy · September 15, 2014

I gotta say, that based on the always wonderful recaps, is Red turning a corner? Like seriously? He is starting to sound not as bad as some of the others. Is he one of those types of guys that in a new situation, has got to be a big loud mouth (due to anxiety) and then he gets to understand the situation and then settles in? I was happy that he was attempting to help with the animals. Almost everyone seems to be a total gossip and shit-stirrer. I actually liked Red's idea for the government. Bri, is really becoming a concern to me. I do not think that the animals would have been as bad off if anyone else had been in charge. It is almost purposeful with her. Sociopathic tendencies right there. Lack of concern for others. Willingly harrmful, no empathy. A bit scary. We will see if that broadcast any of THAT stuff.

ElleryAnne · September 15, 2014

Bri says she's enjoying being loud because everyone else gets up in the morning and that wakes her up, so she's just doing some payback.

Bri says that her reign as dictator will end in genocide.

I said once before that she's a joke. I was wrong. She's an ass.

I hope a lot of the stuff about them discussing forming a government makes it to the show. Even though half of these people are nutjobs, the discussion of government in society is the kind of thing I expected for a show like this. I'd like to see how it develops.

I wonder if Hex's ban on religion will mean the others can't hold their Bible meetings if they want. She doesn't seem unreasonable, so I doubt it would. I wonder if her ban on religion is really more of a do-what-you-want policy. And her ban on money would be more interesting if it meant that they couldn't use any of their remaining cash during her reign or bring in outsiders to pay for yoga. But I think she'd figure out pretty quickly that a ban on money doesn't work in dealings with the rest of the world, and internally they're not buying/selling with each other anyway, so it doesn't sound like Hex's government will be anything more than just the way they already live. Sounds like three days of relative peace until they give Bri the reins and she kills them all.

DeLurker · September 15, 2014

is Red turning a corner?

Alien abduction is the only reasonable conclusion. Which means Bella is not bonkers which just does not compute.

doribird · September 15, 2014

Zahdii, just got to thank you for your amazing recaps!! You make my day! Great job!

kaygeeret · September 15, 2014

Thanks to everyone for the insight regarding the deer situation.

I keep forgetting this is Big Brother Outdoors with intentional pot stirring by production to maximize crazy behavior for the supposed 'drama'.

I'm following the forums here but will not be watching the show anymore.

Thanks for all the insight and humor here. I'm in with you for as long as this lasts. It can't possibly last a year tho' - can it?

SunshineOnMe · September 15, 2014

Thank you Zahdii for the recaps!!

RedheadZombie · September 15, 2014

I'm wondering about Kristen. Has she elaborated on what she is an "entrepreneur" in? She looked a little silly showing up the first day with huge feather earrings. If they kept her around because she's going to make all this money for them, I hope they asked her a few questions first. She sounds like she's deliberately planting seeds to sow discord. I don't think production is above encouraging her to do it, but does she have to be so stereotypical about it? The angry black man is gone, now we have the black man who threatens the white woman sexually. It's silly, and if production's smart, they'll nip this in the bud.

Wildgypsie · September 15, 2014

So Red wants to bring his wife in, $2000 a week for 2 lazy ppl nice. Then they will complain about being away from their kid, so, sure lets bring him in and earn $3000 a week. And Red don't forget the money in the safe you money hungry grub, make sure you grab their share too. When these ppl signed up for this they knew they will be away from family, society and yes Oreos. But now Red wants his cake and eat it too, it's not a vacation for you and your family.

riverheightsnancy · September 15, 2014

Thanks for that update. I had no idea that goats make more milk than cows.

Wildgypsie · September 15, 2014

Well, I've been watching the feeds for three days now and my take on the myopians is:

Red: In a strange environnment filled with other people that are completely unlike him or his life experience and reacts with bravado and bullshit to deal with it. I've actually liked him these last three days. He spent a long time talking to Amanda about his ideas on government and I have to say he made a lot of sense. He wanted each area of Utopia to have a council in charge of that, then if they want to buy something that council has to agree majority rule, then go to a overall council who has to vote on it also. He says that this will help solve the problem of straight majority rule and the cliques that have sprung up and siimply co-sign (my word) what each other wants. Amanda, as she always does, just listens and 'mms like she agrees but doesn't put herself out there.

Amanda: She listens and 'mmmms' to anything anyone says. She is in late pregnancy and sleeps a lot, can't do much. I strongly suspect she'll be taken to the hospital when its her time and not return. I don't think she has any intention of staying from the start so that's why she doesn't seem to care much what anyone says or does. She is also always perfectly made up. Kinda weird in that environment.

Bri: I think she is a sociopath. Also insecure and immature. Perfect dictator material. She glommed onto the first appealing (to her) male that would have her day one and has been boinking him nonstop ever since but I never get the feeling she enjoys it. She just seems to need the guy's attention and status of having a guy. Also, she's giving a big fuck you to her family who is no doubt embarrassed as hell at their daughter's behavior on national TV. She needs to go.

Chris: Good time bro who will take the path of least resistance, and that includes the clingy Bri.

Kristen: Total shit stirrer. She never seems so happy than when she is smack talking someone to someone else, and will do whatever it takes to start that shit up while she sits back and laughs. She is horrible.

Bella: Crazy but harmless and really trying to improve her relationships in the group. The vets really like her so that helps her self esteem. She knows more than anyone thought she did. Still kind of nuts.

Aaron: An ass who thinks a lot of people are really racist without much evidence. That may be part Kristen's fault, but I don't know. He is very independent.

Josh: Really working hard and very helpful and cooperative. So of course the others want him gone. They are such idiots.

I think this cast is made of people part of whom think they are on Real World Santa Clarita, and the others just want to get that sixties hippie commune experience that they are too young to have had. There's a reason those communes didn't work very long term and we are seeing it right now. Unless there is a common unifying and overriding belief system and a leader (read: heavy religion) people just spin into their own thing and some people work and others just mooch and the whole thing falls apart. I have no hope for this experiment but it's fun to watch online.

Today: Vets visit. Love Bella. Like the improvements. Most of the myopians hung with them while they did their thing. Talking about getting rid of the cows and replacing them with the easier to care for goats. They'd need to fix the barn for goats due to predators. The vets really would rather the myopians weren't having cows, they are too hard to care for and are very expensive and goats are just easier. Also they are more pet-like and fun. I will attest to that -- goats are very cool to keep and the vets pointed out that they give more milk than the cows would also. I hope they do goats. Assuming they are around long enough to do that.

They decided to let the chickens out to feed. Got lots of chicken advice today. Everyone is really into the animals right now. I don't think Bri cares. Every single thing out of Bri's mouth is negative and worried about how much work anything is. I kind of hate Bri.

photo fox · September 15, 2014

I totally agree with the vets that dairy goats are a better fit for this group than dairy cows - easier to milk by hand, a little "hardier", less feed required, and more flexible about the type of feed.

But did they say goats give more milk than cows? I really think they're wrong about that. A Jersey cow (the breed they have) roughly averages 4-5 gallons per day, depending on how recently she has calved. A dairy goat is only going to average 2-2.5 gallons per day.

Now, if they mean the goats may give more milk for the same amount of feed, that may be true. And this group doesn't need up to ten gallons of milk per day anyway.

DeLurker · September 15, 2014

Bri may have all the negative characteristics of a dictator, but she has none of the charisma of history's greatest dictators (and that is saying a lot because I don't think Stalin, Vlad the Impaler or Kim Jong-Il rank that high on that scale). Plus, everyone knows a dictatorship can't work unless there's a network of spies and secret police. She should be cultivating Amanda and Kristen as spies which does not sound like it has happened. Even as a dictator, she's substandard.

Of course, there will be the inevitable Utopian Insurrection! That could make for some good viewing (err....reading).

In Pog Form · September 15, 2014

Bri says she is going to stir up chaos for laughs and shit when she is dictator for three days. She sounds like such a nice girl, doesn't she?

What exactly is she planning on doing to achieve that? She's so lazy and incompetent, she'll probably just sleep in and forget about her evil plans. The way she's talking is as if becoming leader will suddenly grant her magical powers, like shooting fireballs from her fingers.

It would be hilarious if everyone just ignored her, but I don't think this group is capable of that.

kikismom · September 15, 2014

Another thing about the goats giving more milk--knowing that those people would be there for a year, the vets may have meant over time.

We had over 200 goats at one time and unlike cows (or sheep), goats will often keep giving milk for a long time after their most recent kid; one of ours kept lactating for 2 years. Just keep the bucks away from where the dairy does are!!(smell).

I love them! They are as comical as monkeys, smart, and fun and much more companionable and responsive than cows--which might help this group pay more attention. Goats also birth pretty easy. The vets are right about how resilient they are about conditions like feed changes etc. Not that you should do it on purpose but they are good sports.

Edited September 15, 2014 by kikismom

areca · September 16, 2014

I think I would like to have a go at living in a place of co-governance by Red and Hex. I wonder if Red was detoxing those first few days. Smoker or something.

Bri needs mental help or full time supervision. This isn't editing folks, we're getting live streams...

Edited September 16, 2014 by areca

RedheadZombie · September 16, 2014

Excluding the first night, has Josh said or done anything objectionable? He's invaluable in building things. He doesn't seem to be competing with the other men for the available women. I don't get the hate.

ElleryAnne · September 16, 2014

One of the women said couldn't they get on welfare or something since they are fifteen people with no jobs?

OMG, tell me that's a joke.

Wildgypsie · September 16, 2014

Aaron is alleging that Josh made some snide remarks that he considers racist. Kristen has latched onto that and spreads it around in her way. I haven't heard everything that Josh has said but he hasn't done or said anything that I would ascribe to racism so I kind of think Aaron is full of it at this point. But the others clearly don't like him and expect much more from him than from any of the rest of them in terms of work and behavior. They seem to think they can vote each other out. Is that true? I thought feedsters did the voting out, not the myopians. I thought they got to vote out someone if they committed some foul deed but not if they just don't like that person for personal reasons. If they can just vote someone out for anything then what's to prevent them from ganging up on someone for no good reason? Does anyone know the rules on this?

They got the electric and water bills today. Apparently they are supposed to pay bills too. They were small so far. One of the women said couldn't they get on welfare or something since they are fifteen people with no jobs? Idiot. I couldn't tell who said that. I think it was Nikki. Dede, or Hex. Amanda and Bri weren't there. I don't think it was Bella. There was some serious smack talk about production this afternoon too, about their contracts and how they formed an LLC and when they leave etc. They didn't think the terms were favorable. I am shocked nobody cut the feed on that discussion.

They get paid from production

Wildgypsie · September 16, 2014

I'm starting to dread watching this, they all back stab each other like crazy. If a person has to look around before they speak and whisper then you know they are up to no good. Kristen sit and talks to Aaron about the others and then she will put the hatchet in Aaron's back with the others and vice versa.

Amanda told the others production won't let them get rid of the cows, maybe 1 and Bri wants honey gone because she is mean. Yes Bri I would be mean as heck too if I was treated that way.

hincandenza · September 16, 2014

Some selective quoting:

Gawd, Peanutbuttergate went on for hours. Bri literally talked for a couple of hours to Kristen about her fight with Chris.

[...]

Kristen is now talking Taylor's ear off about Josh. They both seem to hate Josh. I think Josh could cure cancer and raise the dead and these folks would find a reason to trash him. Poor Josh. Kristen and Taylor like Red, though. The world is all tipsy turvy.

[...]

Aaron is alleging that Josh made some snide remarks that he considers racist. Kristen has latched onto that and spreads it around in her way. I haven't heard everything that Josh has said but he hasn't done or said anything that I would ascribe to racism so I kind of think Aaron is full of it at this point. But the others clearly don't like him and expect much more from him than from any of the rest of them in terms of work and behavior.

You're probably right about Josh; other than his day 1 lapse, he's been the model Myopian... he behaves himself, doesn't cause trouble, works his butt off, and is so far the MVP of Utopia in terms of productivity. Ah, but these petty, juvenile people are proving me briliant by indeed treating Josh like Grace in "Dogville", or maybe Hester Prynne; it's a very simple primate/tribal behavior of singling out someone to be the scapegoat, and for a while Josh is it no matter what he does.

Honestly, and to my surprise after watching the first show, Josh and Hex are my two favorites so far. Taylor seems promising, if only because he does work, and I've yet to read a recap (that I can recall) showing Taylor in a poor light. God, maybe the extreme chaos and voluntary turnover will unexpectedly yield enough competent Myopians we get an actual, watchable show out of it.

The rest... a fair number are simply forgettable, like Dede, Nikki, Mike, etc, which in this group is high praise indeed. Some outright scare me (Bri, the departed Dave, Aaron- the recap above that talks about him really, really holding a grudge against Red and still making repeated threats out of earshot is rather troubling). Some annoy me, but are apparently harmless goofs/hotheads/just plain stupid people I wouldn't personally want to know but who aren't necessarily horrible (Bella, Red, Rob to an extent, etc). Lastly, some are the kind of passive-aggressive gossiping shit-stirrers I loathe (Amanda, Kristen, Aaron etc) because you know they're playing the "drama" game in lieu of work or any other contribution to the community.

They got the electric and water bills today. Apparently they are supposed to pay bills too. They were small so far. One of the women said couldn't they get on welfare or something since they are fifteen people with no jobs? Idiot.

[...]

There was some serious smack talk about production this afternoon too, about their contracts and how they formed an LLC and when they leave etc. They didn't think the terms were favorable. I am shocked nobody cut the feed on that discussion

NO chance that conversation makes the live broadcast, but I'd sure love to hear that idiocy play out. First, how did they not expect to pay bills on the electricity and plumbing they hooked up? Second, good luck applying for welfare as a TV contestant who is getting a base pay of $52,000/year- not to mention most of them are not even state residents. Third, the nonsense about contracts and LLCs and poor terms? Oh man, I want to see televised their first meeting with a lawyer when he or she explains to these imbeciles that you usually hire the lawyer before you sign the contract, and also billionaire TV producers tend to have some great legal counseling so sorry, your contracts are bullet proof and ironclad.

RedheadZombie · September 16, 2014

According to Jokers, Dede is the one wanting public assistance because "they're poor".

Also, Bri was looking for a new place to sleep. Good news for Chris.

In Pog Form · September 16, 2014

If they can just vote someone out for anything then what's to prevent them from ganging up on someone for no good reason? Does anyone know the rules on this?

I don't think the producers even know what the rules are.

henripootel · September 16, 2014

According to Jokers, Dede is the one wanting public assistance because "they're poor".

So these guys are well paid to be on tv and pretend to be poor, nay, pretend to pretend they're poor (because even within the fake reality of the show, they're plowing through their fake budget like drunken sailors), so all this ... qualifies them for public assistance? Is that real public assistance or pretend public assistance?

Edited September 16, 2014 by henripootel

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