Raquel, Rachel; One woman's strange erotic journey from Sur to TomTom

[ZettaK]

On 7/1/2023 at 2:05 PM, itsadryheat said:

Interesting that she had a premonition "that she might be portrayed as a villain this season". 

I guess that means she had a premonition that she would be having mental health issues causing her to be in a mental health facility the following year (until contract negotiations), MIA, and unavailable to publicly take accountability for her behavior.

Ok, rachel. You won the Villain Crown now wear it. You don't get to trade it in for the Victim Crown because the public isn't buying that your behavior is an act to gain fame from appearing on a tv show.

She knew she would be portrayed as a villain because BravoCon took place in very early October 2022, and season filming wrapped in mid September, so she was aware of exactly what was said, happened, and was filmed (and that her behavior was questioned by the cast members and producers). So, there was no "premonition", but the public didn't know what what going on yet.

As for taking accountability, she took enough at the reunion and her one on one interviews. How many times does she need to take accountability? What is "proper" accountability? And why does she have to do it publicly? People seem to forget that she is not a mass murderer, or a serial killer, or something of the sort.  

Edited July 2, 2023 by ZettaK

[ZettaK]

On 6/30/2023 at 3:43 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

I found this on Facebook. I have no idea how reliable the info is. I asked the poster to provide a link. I will update later. ETA: Everyone ignored my request. 😢

I don't take anything seriously when somebody doesn't provide a link to a reliable source. And there are many unreliable sources, as well.

On 6/27/2023 at 11:30 PM, RealHousewife said:

I can't believe that's an actual palette. 🤣

I can't believe there are people who might buy this, or any other products by reality "stars", or other "celebrities".

[Jel]

2 hours ago, ZettaK said:

She knew she would be portrayed as a villain because BravoCon took place in very early October 2022, and season filming wrapped in mid September, so she was aware of exactly what was said, happened, and was filmed (and that her behavior was questioned by the cast members and producers). So, there was no "premonition", but the public didn't know what what going on yet.

As for taking accountability, she took enough at the reunion and her one on one interviews. How many times does she need to take accountability? What is "proper" accountability? And why does she have to do it publicly? People seem to forget that she is not a mass murderer, or a serial killer, or something of the sort.  

I don’t think she has taken any accountability at all. She’s paid a lot of lip service, but her actual behavior? No, I don’t see it. 

[ZettaK]

On 7/2/2023 at 9:06 PM, Jel said:

I don’t think she has taken any accountability at all. She’s paid a lot of lip service, but her actual behavior? No, I don’t see it. 

She doesn't need to take "accountability" in public. She doesn't owe us anything. As for "accountability" what was her "behavior"? She just disappeared from the public eye, she didn't do anything else. I don't see any bad behavior. Please provide examples, if there are any. She didn't even give any interviews after the reunion for example. 

[Jel]

12 hours ago, ZettaK said:

She doesn't need to take "accountability" in public. She doesn't owe us anything. As for "accountability" what was her "behavior"? She just disappeared from the public eye, she didn't do anything else. I don't see any bad behavior. Please provide examples, if there are any. She didn't even give any interviews after the reunion for example. 

I don't think "owe" is the right word. She doesn't owe me anything, but as a viewer, if she wants me to stop thinking of her as a baddie, I need to see that she's legitimately remorseful, contrite, and has a plan to not behave like that again. 

But ZettaK, I am not sure what you are asking me for. In another post, you said you thought she'd taken enough accountability and I disagreed with that. I didn't say she exhibited any bad behavior, post reunion, I said I hadn't seen any examples of her behaving in a way to show  true accountability, which includes being responsible for the outcome of her actions.  Her level of accountability appears to be, basically, "my bad". Admitting to something is not the same as taking accountability, at least based on my understanding of the word.  I assume you're responding to my "She's paid a lot of lip service, but her actual behavior? No, I don't see it". 

So, that's another way of saying talk is cheap. Or actions speak louder than words.  

The behaviors I have seen her demonstrate were some rather tearless crying, exposing the lies and sketchiness of Tom Sandoval, but only when it suited her interests (color me unimpressed) and finally disappearing into what may or may not be a mental health facility for the past few months. I mean good for her to take care of herself, but that wasn't done for Ariana. I'd like to see a sincere apology from her, which includes contrition, a promise not to do anything like that again, and, most importantly, behavior that actually matches the words.

If she wants to embrace the villain role and become the Lisa Rinna or a Tamra Judge of VPR, then she's on the right track for that. But, if she wants to return to the good graces of this viewer, she'll have to do a lot more than just taking care of herself.

That's how I feel about it, mileage may vary.

[princelina]

6 hours ago, Jel said:

But ZettaK, I am not sure what you are asking me for. In another post, you said you thought she'd taken enough accountability and I disagreed with that. I didn't say she exhibited any bad behavior, post reunion, I said I hadn't seen any examples of her behaving in a way to show  true accountability, which includes being responsible for the outcome of her actions.  Her level of accountability appears to be, basically, "my bad". Admitting to something is not the same as taking accountability, at least based on my understanding of the word.  I assume you're responding to my "She's paid a lot of lip service, but her actual behavior? No, I don't see it". 

So, that's another way of saying talk is cheap. Or actions speak louder than words.  

IMO she has done all that she can do at this point in time.  She has cried, apologized, and allowed herself to be yelled at at the reunion, without giving excuses.  Will her behavior change in the future?  That would be a marker but at this point no one knows.  

[ZettaK]

On 7/11/2023 at 4:44 PM, Jel said:

I don't think "owe" is the right word. She doesn't owe me anything, but as a viewer, if she wants me to stop thinking of her as a baddie, I need to see that she's legitimately remorseful, contrite, and has a plan to not behave like that again. 

But ZettaK, I am not sure what you are asking me for. In another post, you said you thought she'd taken enough accountability and I disagreed with that. I didn't say she exhibited any bad behavior, post reunion, I said I hadn't seen any examples of her behaving in a way to show  true accountability, which includes being responsible for the outcome of her actions.  Her level of accountability appears to be, basically, "my bad". Admitting to something is not the same as taking accountability, at least based on my understanding of the word.  I assume you're responding to my "She's paid a lot of lip service, but her actual behavior? No, I don't see it". 

So, that's another way of saying talk is cheap. Or actions speak louder than words.  

The behaviors I have seen her demonstrate were some rather tearless crying, exposing the lies and sketchiness of Tom Sandoval, but only when it suited her interests (color me unimpressed) and finally disappearing into what may or may not be a mental health facility for the past few months. I mean good for her to take care of herself, but that wasn't done for Ariana. I'd like to see a sincere apology from her, which includes contrition, a promise not to do anything like that again, and, most importantly, behavior that actually matches the words.

If she wants to embrace the villain role and become the Lisa Rinna or a Tamra Judge of VPR, then she's on the right track for that. But, if she wants to return to the good graces of this viewer, she'll have to do a lot more than just taking care of herself.

That's how I feel about it, mileage may vary.

Yes, I meant bad behavior. She didn't show any after the reunion. As for accountability and an apology to Ariana (who has every right to stop talking to her), some fans will never acknowledge an apology of any kind. We should keep some perspective. Some individuals see  her as a monster, and use certain terms that I won't repeat here, but what she did is common, even to a friend (although they were close for some months only, they were not old friends).

I additionally have a problem with attacking her almost exclusively, because I don't see any attacks against Sandoval who was in a relationship, older, and was dealing with a person of inferior intellect. I consider it sexist, and unfortunately, it's almost 100% females who do it.

Edited July 22, 2023 by ZettaK

[Gharlane]

On 7/20/2023 at 4:51 PM, Jennifersdc said:

That’s good info! Do you happen to know why she gave him away? I suspect she wasn’t a very good dog mom.

i thought it wasn't very nice when she refused to let DJ Muppet Baby see the dog, but what happened to it while she stayed at the spa, err, mental facility?

On 7/20/2023 at 5:59 PM, snarts said:

In case we needed another reason to despise Raquel, she dumped Graham at a shelter without even telling James. 

Thankful James found out and was able to get him back

Wow, that wasn't very nice! 

[itsadryheat]

Whatch your hand big daddy

[hoodooznoodooz]

So Rachel is a big ol’ BRUNETTE?

[politichick]

On 7/26/2023 at 9:46 AM, hoodooznoodooz said:

So Rachel is a big ol’ BRUNETTE?

Seems so. And quite homely!

[ZettaK]

On 7/24/2023 at 2:54 PM, Gharlane said:

i thought it wasn't very nice when she refused to let DJ Muppet Baby see the dog, but what happened to it while she stayed at the spa, err, mental facility?

Wow, that wasn't very nice! 

Raquel gave Graham to her parents when she was away at a mental health (or whatever it was) facility. He was a graduation gift from her parents, so she kept him when she broke up with James. There were a couple of biting incidents, and her mother gave him to a Goldendoodle rescue in California. The rescue contacted Lisa Vanderpump who took him and notified James. James decided to keep him, and rename him. 

[Sweet-tea]

Came her to see if there was any news about Raquel. I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about her since 7/31/23. I guess that sums up the general level of interest in her. 

Anyone know why she didn't return for S11? I never saw a clear answer. Last update I saw she was negotiating with Bravo. 

[ZettaK]

10 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Came her to see if there was any news about Raquel. I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about her since 7/31/23. I guess that sums up the general level of interest in her. 

Anyone know why she didn't return for S11? I never saw a clear answer. Last update I saw she was negotiating with Bravo. 

I think she wanted a bigger salary which she didn't get. She obviously wanted to stay away from any kind of cameras after that, Bravo's, or otherwise- this was probably the reason she didn't make any appearances for a long time, until recently. It seems she has a podcast (who doesn't?).

Edited January 8 by ZettaK

[Gharlane]

16 hours ago, Sweet-tea said:

Came her to see if there was any news about Raquel. I'm surprised there haven't been any posts about her since 7/31/23. I guess that sums up the general level of interest in her. 

Anyone know why she didn't return for S11? I never saw a clear answer. Last update I saw she was negotiating with Bravo. 

I hadn't given this show much thought and pretty much forgot about her after she dropped out. I take it she decided to work on her mental health instead of this show.

[JenE4]

Rachel Leviss Recalls 'Very Bad' First Hookup with Tom Sandoval as She Admits She's 'Repulsed' by Him Now

Read in People: https://apple.news/AoPUg6bGRTASRaJX5HMw-OQ

[Dirtybubble]

Is anyone listening to her podcast?  I have it downloaded and I'll give it a try just to see what she says.  Everyone else has had a chance to tell their side of the story why not her?

 

[hoodooznoodooz]

She says, “like,” approximately 732 times.

[RoseAllDay]

On 1/9/2024 at 11:41 AM, Dirtybubble said:

Is anyone listening to her podcast?  I have it downloaded and I'll give it a try just to see what she says.  Everyone else has had a chance to tell their side of the story why not her?

 

Came here to ask that. Just saw it on Reddit.

So how is it?

[Jst2Wld]

If Racheal would stop using the word "like" that article could have been 2 sentences.  Not paragraphs.

I am curious about her podcasts, however I can't  give up so many minutes of my life listening to this brainless twat. Anyone else here been brave enough to listen? If so, I am in awe of you!

[FancyRhubarb]

12 hours ago, Jst2Wld said:

I am curious about her podcasts, however I can't  give up so many minutes of my life listening to this brainless twat. Anyone else here been brave enough to listen? If so, I am in awe of you!

u/additionalwar8759 on Reddit recaps all the Vanderpump podcasts. So you can find out what garbage Rachel or the Tom's or Lala spew without damaging your ears or contributing to their success because fuck Sandoval and Schwartz.

[RoseAllDay]

On 1/24/2024 at 7:33 PM, Jst2Wld said:

If Racheal would stop using the word "like" that article could have been 2 sentences.  Not paragraphs.

I am curious about her podcasts, however I can't  give up so many minutes of my life listening to this brainless twat. Anyone else here been brave enough to listen? If so, I am in awe of you!

In her post-reunion interview about Scandoval, she said “like” about 12 times in five minutes. I think like if I had to listen like to an hour of that, or however like long her podcast is, I’d like puncture my eardrums. Like, for reals.

(Yes, I actually counted.)

[Jst2Wld]

13 hours ago, RoseAllDay said:

In her post-reunion interview about Scandoval, she said “like” about 12 times in five minutes. I think like if I had to listen like to an hour of that, or however like long her podcast is, I’d like puncture my eardrums. Like, for reals.

(Yes, I actually counted.)

I like really liked your post. Like if I could have like liked it more I would like have made this comment like longer. But like I gotta go to workUH!

[Carolina Girl]

Watching her affect during that post reunion interview. 

Chickie, loved your fake attempts at sobbing.  You sorta need actual TEARS. which you couldn't pull off.  Neither could Tom, as it happens.  He was constantly putting his head in his hands, doing that little sob thing but I never saw any tears.  Contrast this with Ariana at LVP's house, when she gets so overcome you can hear that cry some straight out of her gut.  

[ChristmasJones]

Quote

2/29/24 - One-time “Vanderpump Rules” star Rachel Leviss, whose affair with fellow cast member Tom Sandoval was one of the Bravo show’s biggest story arcs, filed a bombshell lawsuit on Thursday accusing him and co-star Ariana Madix of being involved in producing and distributing revenge porn against her....

“Lost in the mix was that Leviss was a victim of the predatory and dishonest behavior of an older man, who recorded sexually explicit videos of her without her knowledge or consent, which were then distributed, disseminated and discussed publicly by a scorned woman seeking vengeance, catalyzing the scandal,” according to the civil complaint.

full article:  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rachel-leviss-vanderpump-rules-sues-tom-sandoval-ariana-madix-alleges-rcna141217

[hoodooznoodooz]

3 hours ago, ChristmasJones said:

full article:  https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/rachel-leviss-vanderpump-rules-sues-tom-sandoval-ariana-madix-alleges-rcna141217

This is such a bad idea. So at least one person on her legal team reviews the recording, and they discuss it ad nauseum, they depose individuals, photocopy transcripts, and it somehow won't further traumatize Rachquel?

[hoodooznoodooz]

This has Frankel’s fingerprints all over it.

[RealHousewife]

39 minutes ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

This is such a bad idea. So at least one person on her legal team reviews the recording, and they discuss it ad nauseum, they depose individuals, photocopy transcripts, and it somehow won't further traumatize Rachquel?

I remember feeling so horrible for the girl on the tape with R. Kelly. It's traumatizing having that out there, but then it's also traumatizing admitting it was you and fighting it. It's like, what do you do? I don't have anything compromising anywhere, but I know a lot of folks do these days. I wish the revenge porn laws were strong enough so there were less victims in the first place, and less trauma if they do have to go after someone legally. 

[heatherchandler]

Ariana did send it to people, that’s the actual definition of revenge porn.  I imagine they will settle.  If not they will spend a ton on legal bills.

[RealHousewife]

11 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Ariana did send it to people, that’s the actual definition of revenge porn.  I imagine they will settle.  If not they will spend a ton on legal bills.

That's horrible. I get Ariana being hurt and pissed, but two wrongs do make a right. And as wrong as it was, what Raquel did wasn't criminal. Revenge porn is.

[ZettaK]

49 minutes ago, heatherchandler said:

Ariana did send it to people, that’s the actual definition of revenge porn.  I imagine they will settle.  If not they will spend a ton on legal bills.

A few of her friends claimed she sent the video(s) to them. 

[hoodooznoodooz]

This doesn’t seem legitimate. She would have disclosed this a long time ago, no?

 

https://realityblurb.com/2024/03/01/raquel-leviss-claims-ariana-madix-knew-about-sandoval-affair-months-before-news-broke-needed-scandoval-to-save-vanderpump-rules-job-plus-shares-new-timeline-claims-shes-a-victim-whose/

[ZettaK]

3 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

This doesn’t seem legitimate. She would have disclosed this a long time ago, no?

 

https://realityblurb.com/2024/03/01/raquel-leviss-claims-ariana-madix-knew-about-sandoval-affair-months-before-news-broke-needed-scandoval-to-save-vanderpump-rules-job-plus-shares-new-timeline-claims-shes-a-victim-whose/

Suspecting something (because your partner's behavior becomes more iffy, especially from one point on, let's say toward the end of S10 filming, and after), and knowing is not the same. All cast members knew there was something going on by late August and fall of 2022, but normally the cheated on person ignores warning signs. Most cast members are not real friends with Ariana (Scheana, Lala, James, Ally, Brock) to continue seeing each other after filming, so nobody would see anything suspicious after that, and tell her. Even Katie wouldn't be friendly with Schwartz, and Jo who were close to Sandoval and Rachel. Ariana said she thought it was strange Sandoval spent more time away from home (he was at Rachel's apartment).

Rachel has the same lawyer (Mark Geragos) with Brandi Glenville.

[Gharlane]

4 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

This doesn’t seem legitimate. She would have disclosed this a long time ago, no?

Raquel Leviss Claims Ariana Madix Knew About Sandoval Affair Months Before News Broke, & Needed ‘Scandoval’ to Save Vanderpump Rules Job, Plus Shares New Timeline & Claims She’s a “Victim” Whose Career Was Ruined in Explosive Lawsuit

I feel conflicted on this one. This is Andy Satan Cohen and Bravo we are talking about here.

[ZettaK]

6 minutes ago, Gharlane said:

I feel conflicted on this one. This is Andy Satan Cohen and Bravo we are talking about here.

I'm sure they were ecstatic having such a juicy story, and they didn’t have a problem amplifying it, and sharing it. 

[nexxie]

Ariana could be in trouble, according to this attorney:

Attorney Neama Rahmani spoke with Us Weekly about the case, saying, “The case against Tom is actually weaker than the case against Ariana.” He explained, “This is why under California’s revenge porn statute, there is a requirement that the porn be distributed. We know that Tom was allegedly participating in this FaceTime and he may have recorded it, but it’s unclear whether he sent it to anyone.”

As such, Ariana might be in real hot water. The expert continued, “The allegations are that Ariana got access to Tom’s phone and sent it to herself and to Rachel. So that would be the distribution there. Of course, we don’t know who has the video and who it was sent to.” The lawsuit does not purport to know either, implying that Rachel’s castmates may have seen it given their knowledge of the video.

Beyond that, the suit alleges that Ariana may have sent the video to Bravo employees. As Rahmani put it, “complaint says that it may have gone to members of the production company or even the studio, in which case the distribution requirement would be met. But based on the complaint itself, I don’t know how strong of a liability case it is against Tom.”

https://www.realitytea.com/2024/03/04/rachel-leviss-lawsuit-might-be-stronger-against-ariana-madix-than-tom-sandoval/

Edited March 6 by nexxie

[ZettaK]

5 hours ago, nexxie said:

Ariana could be in trouble, according to this attorney:

Attorney Neama Rahmani spoke with Us Weekly about the case, saying, “The case against Tom is actually weaker than the case against Ariana.” He explained, “This is why under California’s revenge porn statute, there is a requirement that the porn be distributed. We know that Tom was allegedly participating in this FaceTime and he may have recorded it, but it’s unclear whether he sent it to anyone.”

As such, Ariana might be in real hot water. The expert continued, “The allegations are that Ariana got access to Tom’s phone and sent it to herself and to Rachel. So that would be the distribution there. Of course, we don’t know who has the video and who it was sent to.” The lawsuit does not purport to know either, implying that Rachel’s castmates may have seen it given their knowledge of the video.

Beyond that, the suit alleges that Ariana may have sent the video to Bravo employees. As Rahmani put it, “complaint says that it may have gone to members of the production company or even the studio, in which case the distribution requirement would be met. But based on the complaint itself, I don’t know how strong of a liability case it is against Tom.”

https://www.realitytea.com/2024/03/04/rachel-leviss-lawsuit-might-be-stronger-against-ariana-madix-than-tom-sandoval/

The distribution criterion was met by Ariana sending the video to herself and to Rachel. Sandoval recorded Rachel (I'm not sure if she didn’t know although she claims so, but I suspect Sandoval probably didn't do it for the first time), he didn't distribute anything- Rachel didn't claim he did. But a court can force Ariana, and Ariana's friends (if Rachel suspects, or knows who shared the videos), and possibly Bravo production to reveal if they did. 

[Gharlane]

17 hours ago, nexxie said:

As such, Ariana might be in real hot water. The expert continued, “The allegations are that Ariana got access to Tom’s phone and sent it to herself and to Rachel. So that would be the distribution there.

Does sending it to yourself and someone who didn't know it was taken count as "distribution"? 🤔

Edited March 6 by Gharlane

[ZettaK]

10 hours ago, Gharlane said:

Does sending it to yourself and someone who didn't know it was taken count as "distribution"? 🤔

Yes. It doesn't matter if Rachel didn't know it was taken. 

[nexxie]

On 7/25/2023 at 11:54 PM, itsadryheat said:

Whatch your hand big daddy

Wow, daddio gave me the creeps when he was on the show - remember commenting about him being controlling. But his hand - ick.

[hoodooznoodooz]

Reading a recap of Rachquel’s podcast. She says that Kyle Chan, Max Boyens, Logan Cochran knew that Sandoval and she were sneaking around.

[ZettaK]

6 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

Reading a recap of Rachquel’s podcast. She says that Kyle Chan, Max Boyens, Logan Cochran knew that Sandoval and she were sneaking around.

Schwartz and Jo knew too. And Jason Bader, Tom's band manager, and drummer. And the whole cast suspected it.

Edited March 23 by ZettaK

[hoodooznoodooz]

That facility didn’t accomplish anything.

They put R on the Best-Dressed list at the I Heart Radio awards show. They put Katie and Dayna on the Worst-Dressed list.  
 

R encouraged Jo to post about it. R reposted it.

 

Then she regretted doing this. She tried to apologize to Katie and Dayna.

[Dirtybubble]

9 hours ago, hoodooznoodooz said:

That facility didn’t accomplish anything.

They put R on the Best-Dressed list at the I Heart Radio awards show. They put Katie and Dayna on the Worst-Dressed list.  
 

R encouraged Jo to post about it. R reposted it.

 

Then she regretted doing this. She tried to apologize to Katie and Dayna.

Rachel did a podcast apologizing so I guess that's something.  But I think this also speaks volumes of who Jo is too, she agreed to it so that's why I'm not buying her I'm such a free spirited, cool chick.  The whole lot of them are just super shady.

[laurakaye]

I admit that I have been listening to Rachel's podcast and I think she's been doing a good job at giving her side of the story.  In the most recent episode she's talking with Jo.  If I wasn't particularly a Jo fan before, I am now.  The hateful treatment of her by the other women gives pretty disturbing middle-school mean girl vibes towards the girl who is a little bit quirky and unique.

Jo's funniest line so far was, "If Schwartz were dating a tree, Katie would chop it down." 

[hoodooznoodooz]

5 hours ago, laurakaye said:

Jo's funniest line so far was, "If Schwartz were dating a tree, Katie would chop it down." 

Ha! That’s pretty good.

[Kiki777]

Maybe an unpopular opinion, but I’d like for Rachel/Raquel to come back next season.  It would be an interesting dynamic now that we know she dumped Sandoval in the end.

[Gharlane]

Well, make an appearance at some point. I don't think there's enough for her to do all season, plus it's likely no one would want to be seen with her.

[princelina]

On 4/17/2024 at 4:40 AM, Gharlane said:

Well, make an appearance at some point. I don't think there's enough for her to do all season, plus it's likely no one would want to be seen with her.

Haha Sandy would - because he's IN LOVE, dontcha know? 😂😂

[Jennifersdc]

On 4/18/2024 at 1:49 PM, princelina said:

Haha Sandy would - because he's IN LOVE, dontcha know? 😂😂

He’s doing a really bad acting job this season. 

Here’s a tip. If you’re going to try to pretend to cry - maybe take a quick sniff of an onion before the cameras start rolling. 

I’m disgusted and fascinated at the same time.