I'm So Disappointed In You: Celebrity Missteps

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, Blergh said:

IOW, she doesn't seem to have had to stretch very far to have  portrayed Alexis

Well, that’s your opinion, which you are entitled to. But I believe her. Since I remember tension behind the scenes. And hate or not, she SAVED that show from cancellation.

[Guest]

3 hours ago, Blergh said:

Keep in mind two things re this claim: First, we only have Miss Collins's side of the story and Mr. Forsyth's no longer in this world so no one can ask him if he actually said or did these things.

Actually we don’t just have her side. Gordon Thomson also mentioned in an interview that Forsyth was pissed over Collins appearing in Playboy and complained to Aaron Spelling.

3 hours ago, Blergh said:

Secondly, even if her claim re Mr. Forsyth's reaction to her Playboy cover is true, she's not the nicest celeb herself.

I feel like being not nice isn’t really in the same category as being a hypocrite or criticizing what a woman chooses to do with her body. Particularly at that time in Hollywood. 

[Blergh]

14 minutes ago, Dani said:

Actually we don’t just have her side. Gordon Thomson also mentioned in an interview that Forsyth was pissed over Collins appearing in Playboy and complained to Aaron Spelling.

 

OK, fair enough to mention Mr. Thomson's interview to give Miss Collins's account re Mr. Forsyth's reactions  more credence. Sorry, but I just wasn't about to do the 'if Miss Collins said this happened it MUST be true! ' with nothing else to back it up.

Whether she saved the show or the ratings somehow got a boost from other factors is a matter of opinion. The show's long been over and Mr. Forsyth has long since died.

However, the fact that she has publicly made kudos re Mr. Morgan   in the last few years and even went so far as to invite him to her birthday party just last month DOES IMO  indicate that she's not the nicest celebrity out there (and even the claim that she wasn't praised by the late Mr. Forsyth doesn't absolve her of her currently flocking together with at least one buzzard)!

IOW, I understand why you are disappointed with the late Mr. Forsyth's evident past actions so please understand why I'm disappointed with Miss Collins's current ones!

Edited June 22, 2023 by Blergh

[Guest]

24 minutes ago, Blergh said:

IOW, I understand why you are disappointed with the late Mr. Forsyth's evident past actions so please understand why I'm disappointed with Miss Collins's current ones!

Did you mean to quote someone else?

I’m not disappointed in Forsyth because I didn’t have any opinion of him before reading this. I didn’t have a particular high opinion of Joan Collins but I also have sympathy for what any woman working in Hollywood in the ‘80’s would have been subjected to on a set. Unfortunately, I think it made too many of them to become part of the problem. 

[Bastet]

30 minutes ago, Blergh said:

IOW, I understand why you are disappointed with the late Mr. Forsyth's evident past actions so please understand why I'm disappointed with Miss Collins's current ones!

That's easy, because the two have nothing to do with each other.  That she is a friend/admirer of a repugnant person has no bearing on how pathetically sexist he behaved with regard to her, nor do any other transgressions.  They co-exist.

[crazycatlady58]

13 hours ago, Blergh said:

Keep in mind two things re this claim: First, we only have Miss Collins's side of the story and Mr. Forsyth's no longer in this world so no one can ask him if he actually said or did these things.

Secondly, even if her claim re Mr. Forsyth's reaction to her Playboy cover is true, she's not the nicest celeb herself. For example as she's been a longtime fan of. ..Piers Morgan[BLEH!!!] for years right down to actually inviting him to celebrate her 90th birthday with her last month  (as opposed to having him foisted on her against her wishes as the British Royal family has had happen).

IOW, she doesn't seem to have had to stretch very far to have  portrayed Alexis.

So, a question if you don't mind,what's wrong with Piers Morgan? I have only seen him on "America's Got Talent "  and my thoughts were he is a smug jerk and needed a smack upside the head a few times to cure him of that but I have seen posted on other forums that a lot of people do not like him. What has he done?

[Guest]

59 minutes ago, crazycatlady58 said:

So, a question if you don't mind,what's wrong with Piers Morgan? I have only seen him on "America's Got Talent "  and my thoughts were he is a smug jerk and needed a smack upside the head a few times to cure him of that but I have seen posted on other forums that a lot of people do not like him. What has he done?

There is a lot of backstory. To make a long story short, he has a history of making racist, sexist and transphobic comments. 

The British TV host has departed “Good Morning Britain” after questioning Meghan Markle’s claims about racism and suicidal ideation. But he’s failed upward his entire career.

[Mabinogia]

While I loved Alexis, I don't care much for Joan Collins but I still think John Forsythe was an ass for making moral judgements about what she does with her body and how it will tarnish the salacious soap opera he was on. 

There are no words for how repugnant Piers Morgan is. So I am disappointed to hear she is friends with him. 

[Blergh]

10 hours ago, crazycatlady58 said:

So, a question if you don't mind,what's wrong with Piers Morgan? I have only seen him on "America's Got Talent "  and my thoughts were he is a smug jerk and needed a smack upside the head a few times to cure him of that but I have seen posted on other forums that a lot of people do not like him. What has he done?

@Dani covered many basic reasons why many of us heartily have disliked Piers Morgan down the years. It's not just his relentless uncalled for meanspiritedness towards his targets but how utterly unethical and unprincipled he appears to have  been down the years as per legal findings!

Anyway, I hope this answers your query!

[BetterButter]

Hannah Gutierrez Reed charged with tampering with evidence in ‘Rust’ case

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Prosecutors on Thursday charged “Rust” film armorer Hannah Gutierrez Reed with tampering with evidence in relation to the shooting death of the movie’s director Halyna Hutchins, an amended complaint filed Thursday shows.

 

[AheadofStraight]

From the article:

In response to the amended complaint, Gutierrez Reed’s attorney, Jason Bowles said in his motion to dismiss he was inadvertently copied on an email from the prosecution’s lead investigator Robert Shilling that he was asked to do no further work on the case and included a comment that he has issues with how the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office handled the investigation.

Shilling wrote, “Knowing full well the probability that this email may be subject to IPRA (Inspection of Public Records Act), I am compelled to respectfully offer the following.”

“The conduct of the Santa Fe County Sheriff’s Office during and after their initial investigation is reprehensible and unprofessional to a degree I still have no words for,” he said in the email dated June 20. “Not I or 200 more proficient investigators than I can/could clean up the mess delivered to your office in October 2022 (1 year since the initial incident…inexcusable).”

The email was sent to Bowles in error, Special Prosecutor Kari Morrissey said in an email 38 minutes later. “It was an inadvertent disclosure. Please delete it,” she wrote.

Bowles then reached out to Shilling following the exchange, and Shilling said he was unable to discuss the case as he was under a nondisclosure agreement, the document says. As a result, Gutierrez Reed’s attorneys said they are requesting all emails between Shilling, the special prosecutors and First Judicial District Attorney Mary Carmack-Altwies, saying they’ve “lost faith that the State will voluntarily comply with its Brady obligations,” under which prosecutors are required to share information with the defense.

“This request is also made because it appears that DA Carmack Altweis is still having involvement in the case, despite this Court’s unequivocal prior order,” Bowles alleges in the document.

[merylinkid]

On 6/21/2023 at 3:45 PM, Jaded said:

I'm disappointed that people give money to this cult. It's sickening that anyone especially a woman would think the head of Scientology is some great guy especially since his wife seems to have been disappeared in the way they do for well over 10yrs at this point. I can see why Scientology was after Will, Jada and their family because all the stories that come out about this not religion always seem to involve mayosapiens.

Scientology has Mary-Ellen of 'The Waltons’ on the hook for how much now?

This is so disappointing.   First that she even got sucked into that cult but that she is a big supporter of Miscavige.  Besides his missing wife, he is the mastermind behind all the abuse.  He's the one who took over after L. Ron died and started "punishing" the other board members until they went along with what he wanted.    

[MissAlmond]

On 6/21/2023 at 2:45 PM, Jaded said:

I'm disappointed that people give money to this cult. It's sickening that anyone especially a woman would think the head of Scientology is some great guy especially since his wife seems to have been disappeared in the way they do for well over 10yrs at this point. I can see why Scientology was after Will, Jada and their family because all the stories that come out about this not religion always seem to involve mayosapiens.

Scientology has Mary-Ellen of 'The Waltons’ on the hook for how much now?

Judy Norton became a Scientologist at age 13. I suspect she handed over the bulk of her Walton's earnings from the day Norton got the role of Mary Ellen. 

Edited June 26, 2023 by MissAlmond

[bluegirl147]

I didn't know where to put this.  And I don't think this guy is actually a celeb but what he did is so gross.

https://www.celebitchy.com/824760/keke_palmers_partner_darius_jackson_shamed_keke_for_what_she_wore_to_ushers_show/?fbclid=IwAR1l8btG4HVxFdo84g85Rcg4MP_6ztQVxkAgVPvz1aRMIp4J2CnehY7gV1U#comment-17666409

I hope she dumps his ass.

[Guest]

Miss Benny Alleges That She Experienced Homophobia By Someone On The Set Of "Fuller House" In A New TikTok Video

She doesn’t specifically say that it was Candace Cameron Bure but makes it completely clear it was CCB. She says she was sat down by the writers and studio and warned that a person was trying to get the character removed and that while filming only one of the Tanner sisters spoke to her at all. I’m glad that Miss Benny is willing to speak out since CCB likes to pretend to be inclusive despite all the evidence to the contrary. 

Of course, CCB denies trying to get her fired. 

[bluegirl147]

7 hours ago, Dani said:

Miss Benny Alleges That She Experienced Homophobia By Someone On The Set Of "Fuller House" In A New TikTok Video

She doesn’t specifically say that it was Candace Cameron Bure but makes it completely clear it was CCB. She says she was sat down by the writers and studio and warned that a person was trying to get the character removed and that while filming only one of the Tanner sisters spoke to her at all. I’m glad that Miss Benny is willing to speak out since CCB likes to pretend to be inclusive despite all the evidence to the contrary. 

Of course, CCB denies trying to get her fired. 

CCB wasn't named by Miss Benny.  So for CCB to issue a statement denying the allegation must mean it absolutely was CCB. She can keep denying her bigotry all she wants but I see her for who really is.

[Egg McMuffin]

Re: John Forsythe. There was more of a stigma 40 years ago to posing in Playboy than there is now, and even then Forsythe was older and had been raised in an earlier time. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him as an “asshole” by holding him to today’s standards. My own parents wouldn’t have approved of someone posing in Playboy either. That doesn’t make them assholes. I’m not saying Forsythe’s judgement was right either. But it was a different time.

I worked in the industry back in the 80s and 90s. Forsythe and Linda Evans were well known as two of the nicest people in the business, in the same league as Betty White, Carol Burnett, and Ted Danson. Joan Collins…not so much.

[Guest]

9 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:

Re: John Forsythe. There was more of a stigma 40 years ago to posing in Playboy than there is now, and even then Forsythe was older and had been raised in an earlier time. I don’t think it’s fair to judge him as an “asshole” by holding him to today’s standards. My own parents wouldn’t have approved of someone posing in Playboy either. That doesn’t make them assholes. I’m not saying Forsythe’s judgement was right either. But it was a different time.

As someone who was a kid at that time I feel like that was the era when attitudes toward Playboy changed. I did not grow up viewing it as having a stigma at all. I’m sure that there were many who did not like the change happening and I don’t think that necessarily makes them assholes. I’m sure my Grandmother was appalled by it all.

There are two things that makes me think Forsythe specifically is an asshole. The first is that he went to Spelling. Grumbling to friends or family is very different than going to the boss. You don’t do that unless you want there to be some repercussions. The second is that it makes him a hypocrite because he voluntarily chose to be on a show that played a role in changing those same norms while looking down on others. It’s not like he was making Little House on the Prairie. 

9 hours ago, Egg McMuffin said:

I worked in the industry back in the 80s and 90s. Forsythe and Linda Evans were well known as two of the nicest people in the business, in the same league as Betty White, Carol Burnett, and Ted Danson. Joan Collins…not so much.

I absolutely believe he was nice to people but it is also a lot easier to be nice when you are in a position of power and you know it. I imagine both Forsythe and Collins are a product of their time. 

It reflects particularly well on women like Evans, White and Burnett that they were able to thrive in that environment and still be genuinely nice people. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

10 minutes ago, Dani said:

There are two things that makes me think Forsythe specifically is an asshole. The first is that he went to Spelling. Grumbling to friends or family is very different than going to the boss. You don’t do that unless you want there to be some repercussions. 

I completely agree. It brings to mind Kirk Cameron getting Julie McCullough fired from Growing Pains for appearing in Playboy.

Using your star status clout as a power play towards people you don't approve of for your own pearl-clutching reasons is a dick move. *

*I can overlook it if the person in question actually did something truly wrong, but if it's because they appeared in some vanilla porn rag like Playboy or are gay? Then, yes, you are the asshole, so MYOFB.

Edited July 8, 2023 by Wiendish Fitch

[Mabinogia]

1 hour ago, Dani said:

There are two things that makes me think Forsythe specifically is an asshole. The first is that he went to Spelling. Grumbling to friends or family is very different than going to the boss. You don’t do that unless you want there to be some repercussions. The second is that it makes him a hypocrite because he voluntarily chose to be on a show that played a role in changing those same norms while looking down on others. It’s not like he was making Little House on the Prairie. 

Yes, add to it, Joan Collins was a grown woman who could make her own choices, and it's not like she could possibly tarnish the reputation of some virginal character. I could MAYBE see him being upset if Linda Evans had done Playboy as she was supposed to be the "good" woman. Alexis was not some virtuous character so it was kind of on brand for the actress playing her to pose in Playboy. He was just using his clout and his morals to try to shame an adult woman for not making a decision he approved of. You can be a nice guy to your friends and people who act ion ways you approve of, and still be an asshole to those who don't toe the line (tow the line?, I never know which one it is. HOLD PLEASE (plays hold music...) Yay, I was right, it was toe the line. I always thought of it like putting your toe up to the line. 

[Wiendish Fitch]

Wouldn't it be wonderful if someone used their star clout to shut down, say, abusive behavior, instead Helen Lovejoy-ing over the dumbest things?!

 

[Spartan Girl]

1 hour ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if someone used their star clout to shut down, say, abusive behavior, instead Helen Lovejoy-ing over the dumbest things?!

 

[bluegirl147]

4 hours ago, Wiendish Fitch said:

Wouldn't it be wonderful if someone used their star clout to shut down, say, abusive behavior, instead Helen Lovejoy-ing over the dumbest things?!

 

If only.  Instead how many times do we here stories about people looking the other way because they didn't want any blowback to come back on them?

[Egg McMuffin]

18 hours ago, Dani said:

As someone who was a kid at that time I feel like that was the era when attitudes toward Playboy changed. I did not grow up viewing it as having a stigma at all. I’m sure that there were many who did not like the change happening and I don’t think that necessarily makes them assholes. I’m sure my Grandmother was appalled by it all.

There are two things that makes me think Forsythe specifically is an asshole. The first is that he went to Spelling. Grumbling to friends or family is very different than going to the boss. You don’t do that unless you want there to be some repercussions. The second is that it makes him a hypocrite because he voluntarily chose to be on a show that played a role in changing those same norms while looking down on others. It’s not like he was making Little House on the Prairie. 

 

Posing in Playboy might not have seemed like a big deal to a kid in the early 80s, but there was still a stigma, especially with of Dynasty’s older audience. The early 80s was still a conservative time in many ways. Tom Reilly, who replaced Larry Wilcox on CHiPs, saw his part cut down to nothing and was blackballed due to a drug arrest. Different times.

We don’t know the context of John Forsythe’s conversation with Aaron Spelling. Sure, it could have been “This is immoral! Let’s kick Joan off the show!” It also could have been, “Hey, I’m concerned how this is going to affect the show’s audience - what do you think?”  It could have also been somewhere in the middle.  We don’t know that he was looking down on her or that he was a hypocrite.

Forsythe’s earlier years in Hollywood were at time when actors - even those who starred in successful weekly series - did not get rich for life. Dynasty was his first long-term role where he was very well compensated. His conversation with Spelling could have been based entirely on his concern for a show that was blossoming into a hit.

And maybe this was just single lapse in a track record of treating people kindly and fairly. People don’t always use the best judgement when they think their livelihood is threatened.

Who knows. I’m not going to brand someone as an “asshole” based on this.

[Vermicious Knid]

All the Britney news seems to end up in this thread, so she announced her memoir The Woman in Me will be published October 24. I feel sorry for the ghostwriter who has to turn her rambling screeds into something coherent.

[Guest]

1 hour ago, Vermicious Knid said:

All the Britney news seems to end up in this thread, so she announced her memoir The Woman in Me will be published October 24. I feel sorry for the ghostwriter who has to turn her rambling screeds into something coherent.

I guarantee that every time I see that title is am going to think of Shania Twain. With all the songs Britney has done, there were so many potential book titles that would have been better. 

 

[Blergh]

While it likely may be a jumble ,I admit that I'm curious to see how Miss Spears will depict individual family members in her tome and what degrees of participation she'll claim they had in her incarceration and evident childhood exploitation. 

[MissAlmond]

Criminal case against Rust armorer Hannah Gutierrez-Reed moves forward as judge declines to dismiss case.  

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/general-news/judge-refuses-dismiss-criminal-case-rust-armorer-1235548961/

https://deadline.com/2023/08/rust-armorer-loses-bid-to-have-charges-dismissed-1235452473/

https://variety.com/2023/film/news/rust-case-motion-to-dismiss-denied-1235684830/

 

[BetterButter]

 

[SunnyBeBe]

18 hours ago, BetterButter said:

 

This is one story that I struggle to wrap my brain around.  So needless!  Incredibly cruel and viscous.  Why? That guy had no business with a firearm.  
 

I also can’t wrap my brain around this Lizzo story! Omg!  Just so ridiculous.  The woman had it all. Why behave that way?  I used to enjoy enjoying her music with a glass of wine….dancing around the kitchen with friends….singing along…..so much fun.  No more.  Of course, it’s not about me and my loss.  I get that. Still….another talented artist who can’t get out of their own way:(   

Edited August 9, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[Vermicious Knid]

Alec Baldwin Could Be Charged Again in ‘Rust’ Case as Report Finds Trigger Was Pulled

[SunnyBeBe]

50 minutes ago, Vermicious Knid said:

Alec Baldwin Could Be Charged Again in ‘Rust’ Case as Report Finds Trigger Was Pulled

This is another curious case.  I wonder if Baldwin has experts who will disagree with the state’s experts about the gun. 

Edited August 16, 2023 by SunnyBeBe

[Guest]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

This is another curious case.  I wonder if Baldwin has experts who will disagree with the state’s experts about the gun. 

The gun broke during FBI testing and had to be reconstructed for this new testing. I expect his lawyers are going to argue a lot of things about the gun including that the damage means any testing is inaccurate. 

[proserpina65]

6 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

This is another curious case.  I wonder if Baldwin has experts who will disagree with the state’s experts about the gun. 

Hell, the State has experts who disagree with their other experts.

I honestly think it's a lost cause charging Baldwin in anything other than his capacity as one of the producers.

Edited August 16, 2023 by proserpina65

[Bastet]

3 hours ago, proserpina65 said:

I honestly think it's a lost cause charging Baldwin in anything other than his capacity as one of the producers.

I agree.  And, while I have admittedly not kept up with the evidence as I did in the beginning, based on what I initially learned, I think that capacity (meaning allowing lax safety conditions in order to save money) is the only appropriate one in which to charge him.  If the armorer had done her job, and the AD effectively served as a double-check instead of just calling out cold gun without verifying, Baldwin the actor could have pulled that trigger all day long and no one would have been harmed.

I don't think he was negligent, let alone reckless, legally in terms of not verifying it was a cold gun (again, that's supposed to have been done by two people before it gets to him; some actors do, but it's not standard or required).  It would come down to whether the way he handled and aimed the gun constituted a criminal offense.  And those are the allegations I haven't studied details on.  (He turned me off so much in that interview he did and I stopped putting any effort into it.)

Edited August 16, 2023 by Bastet

[merylinkid]

8 hours ago, Bastet said:

I agree.  And, while I have admittedly not kept up with the evidence as I did in the beginning, based on what I initially learned, I think that capacity (meaning allowing lax safety conditions in order to save money) is the only appropriate one in which to charge him.  If the armorer had done her job, and the AD effectively served as a double-check instead of just calling out cold gun without verifying, Baldwin the actor could have pulled that trigger all day long and no one would have been harmed.

I don't think he was negligent, let alone reckless, legally in terms of not verifying it was a cold gun (again, that's supposed to have been done by two people before it gets to him; some actors do, but it's not standard or required).  It would come down to whether the way he handled and aimed the gun constituted a criminal offense.  And those are the allegations I haven't studied details on.  (He turned me off so much in that interview he did and I stopped putting any effort into it.)

Completely agree.   His pulling the trigger was not the proximate cause of death, there being a live round in the chamber was.    Which he is not responsible for ensuring the gun contained a dummy round.   The only way, to me, he can be held responsible based on pulling the trigger is if a dummy round would have hit the AD and killed her or severely wounded her.    Which is possilbe of the scene was blocked poorly, but there has been nothing about that.

Ian Runkle (Runkle of the Bailey) who is a firearms lawyer says the report found the gun barrel was so fouled it was actually compressing the bullet.   Which is some serious fouling.   What effect that had on what happened I don't know.   But again, this goes back to the armorer, it was her job to keep the guns clean and live rounds out of them.   Not Baldwin's.

[Jaded]

Elton John & Kevin Spacey Dine Together Weeks After Actor’s U.K. Trial

[Blergh]

7 hours ago, Jaded said:

Elton John & Kevin Spacey Dine Together Weeks After Actor’s U.K. Trial

Consider how Mr. John stayed friends with the late Michael Jackson AFTER the accusations (and admitted in his own autobio to have gotten much younger males intoxicated to be more agreeable to his . . . suggestions), it disappoints but doesn't surprise me that Mr. John would stay chums with Mr. Spacey instead of condemning the evident pattern of behavior Mr. Spacey had done. Buzzards of a feather,  it appears.

And, yes, I know all about Mr. John's tireless work for AIDS victims and research and admire those positive accomplishments but he has had a seriously dubious shadowside that shouldn't be glossed over or ignored!

[Mabinogia]

I did not know that about Elton John, though I am not actually surprised thinking about it. Even the most charitable person in the world can still be a predator. People are very complicated. 

I just feel horrible for all the people they victimized who don't get justice. 

[SunnyBeBe]

Elton has intervened with some famous entertainers in the past to provide them support towards treatment and reformation.  Supposedly, Billy Joel and others.  He also did project with Brittney last year.  
 

https://pagesix.com/2019/10/16/how-elton-john-helped-other-celebrities-struggling-with-addiction/

 

[Jaded]

3 hours ago, SunnyBeBe said:

Elton has intervened with some famous entertainers in the past to provide them support towards treatment and reformation.  Supposedly, Billy Joel and others.  He also did project with Brittney last year.  
 

https://pagesix.com/2019/10/16/how-elton-john-helped-other-celebrities-struggling-with-addiction/

 

There's a difference when it comes to the issues Elton has tried to help others with when it comes to those  mentioned in that article. The situations people have come forward with in regards to Kevin Spacey go back decades and are predatory in nature. 

[Kel Varnsen]

On 8/16/2023 at 1:26 PM, proserpina65 said:

honestly think it's a lost cause charging Baldwin in anything other than his capacity as one of the producers.

If he is being charged because of his role as producer, have any other producers being charged? Even a little low budget indie movie will have more than 1. If he is the only one charged in that capacity makes me think it is just someone looking to get headlines.

[proserpina65]

On 8/20/2023 at 9:57 AM, Kel Varnsen said:

If he is being charged because of his role as producer, have any other producers being charged? Even a little low budget indie movie will have more than 1. If he is the only one charged in that capacity makes me think it is just someone looking to get headlines.

I have no idea.  He may not be charged in any capacity at all.  But the only way I can see them making any charges stick would be as a producer where he'd have had some say as to how things might happen on set.  And any other producers would be just as culpable in that case.

[MaggieG]

In grifter news. I'm sorry, but if you give money to this guy and it once again turns into a shit show, I won't feel sorry for you.

https://mixmag.net/read/tickets-fyre-fest-2-on-sale-499-dollars-billy-mcfarland-news

Has she not gotten deported yet?

https://pagesix.com/2023/08/22/anna-delvey-kelly-cutrone-producing-runway-show-for-nyfw/

[Jaded]

I read about that Frye Fest mess being a rumored thing again. Not going to feel bad for people who shell out $500 especially considering the history.

[RunningMarket]

Mr. Market and I were discussing Fyre 2.0 and how it's allegedly sold 100 tickets so far. Our conclusion is that people are so desparate to be a part of something, they'll shell out money for this - maybe hoping it's another disaster so they can say they were there.

Edited August 23, 2023 by RunningMarket

[Wiendish Fitch]

2 minutes ago, RunningMarket said:

Mr. Market and I were discussing Fyre 2.0 and how it's allegedly sold 100 tickets so far. Our conclusion is that people are so desparate to be a part of something, they'll shell out money for this - maybe hoping it's another disaster so they can say they were there.

I hate how easily I can believe this. To anyone who throws away their money on such a thing...

[Ohiopirate02]

1 hour ago, RunningMarket said:

Mr. Market and I were discussing Fyre 2.0 and how it's allegedly sold 100 tickets so far. Our conclusion is that people are so desparate to be a part of something, they'll shell out money for this - maybe hoping it's another disaster so they can say they were there.

Those 100 people are probably social media personalities or wannabe social media personalities who plan on attending with their cameras always rolling and multiple backup chargers.  

[Bastet]

Ugh.  In the midst of an interesting interview, Alice Cooper got this great question:
 

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In a 1974 interview with SPEC, you gave really forward-thinking responses to questions about sexuality and gender. You said “In the future, everyone will be bisexual,” and you accurately defined pansexuality, among other things. You also said, “Lots of men who perform wear make-up – that’s a theatrical tradition, it has nothing to do with sexuality.”

Recently some of your “theatrical” rock peers have commented about gender identity, with Paul Stanley and Dee Snider calling gender-affirming care for kids a “sad and dangerous fad.”

As someone who played around with gender expectations early on, do you have any thoughts on what some of your contemporaries have said before they walked those comments back?

and decided to respond like this:
 

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COOPER: Yeah. I’m understanding that there are cases of transgender, but I’m afraid that it’s also a fad, and I’m afraid there’s a lot of people claiming to be this just because they want to be that. I find it wrong when you’ve got a six-year-old kid who has no idea. He just wants to play, and you’re confusing him telling him, “Yeah, you’re a boy, but you could be a girl if you want to be.”

I think that’s so confusing to a kid. It’s even confusing to a teenager. You’re still trying to find your identity, and yet here’s this thing going on, saying, “Yeah, but you can be anything you want. You can be a cat if you want to be.” I mean, if you identify as a tree… And I’m going, “Come on! What are we in, a Kurt Vonnegut novel?” It’s so absurd, that it’s gone now to the point of absurdity.

The whole woke thing… Nobody can answer this question. Maybe you can. Who’s making the rules? Is there a building somewhere in New York where people sit down every day and say, “Okay, we can’t say ‘mother’ now. We have to say ‘birthing person.’ Get that out on the wire right now”? Who is this person that’s making these rules? I don’t get it. I’m not being old school about it. I’m being logical about it.

It’s getting to the point now where it’s laughable. If anybody was trying to make a point on this thing, they turned it into a huge comedy. I don’t know one person that agrees with the woke thing. I don’t know one person. Everybody I talk to says, “Isn’t it stupid?” And I’m going, “Well, I respect people. I respect people and who they are, but I’m not going to tell a seven-year-old boy, ‘Go put a dress on because maybe you’re a girl,’ and he’s going, ‘No, I’m not. I’m a boy.'”

So I say let somebody at least become sexually aware of who they are before they start thinking about if they’re a boy or a girl. A lot of times, I look at it this way, the logical way: If you have these genitals, you’re a boy. If you have those genitals, you’re a girl. There’s a difference between “I am a male who is a female, or I’m a female that’s a male” and wanting to be a female. You were born a male. Okay, so that’s a fact. You have these things here.

Now, the difference is you want to be a female. Okay, that’s something you can do later on if you want to. But you’re not a male born a female.

The interviewer tries to inject some reality of what's going on with parents and medical care providers of transgender children:

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I don’t think parents are encouraging doubt in their kids’ identities. I would just hope that they listen to their kids and find pediatricians that provide appropriate care.

And then Cooper really goes off the rails with this ridiculous scare tactic:
 

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COOPER: Well, I can see somebody really taking advantage of this, though. A guy can walk into a woman’s bathroom at any time and just say, “I just feel like I’m a woman today” and have the time of his life in there, and he’s not in the least bit… He’s just taking advantage of that situation. Well, that’s going to happen. Somebody’s going to get raped, and the guy’s going to say, “Well, I felt like a girl that day, and then I felt like a guy.” Where do you draw this line?

Something’s going to raise its ugly head, and all of a sudden, people are going to start going, “Wait a minute, wait a minute, wait a minute. We’ve got to get this under control.”

It’s almost like that with AI. People would say, “Well, what about AI?” And I said, “The only person that shouldn’t have AI is Paul McCartney.” It’s dangerous.

Rolling Stone called him out:
 

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In his comments, Cooper seemed to be conflating, confusing, or not allowing for much nuance between distinct concepts of gender identity, gender expression, and the sex a child is assigned at birth. The Mayo Clinic, for instance, notes that “a child’s gender expression doesn’t always point to the child’s gender identity,” and vice versa. Furthermore, despite Cooper’s handwringing over kids being pressured or forced into thinking about gender in this way, parents are largely encouraged to not “rush to label [their] child” and simply listen as, “Over time your child will continue to tell you what feels right.” 

To a certain extent, it’s understandable that Cooper wouldn’t be super well-versed in gender theory or how to raise and treat a child that may be questioning their gender identity. Far more concerning was his regurgitation of far-right, anti-trans talking points.

(That RS article also contains links debunking the bathroom myth.)

Edited August 23, 2023 by Bastet

[Jaded]

Continuing in the vein of musicians, questionable comments and behavior...

50 Cent and Drake both going on about having bras thrown on stage. 50 Cent goes on and on about how he doesn't get any tossed on stage anymore. Later on there's mention of Drake who's used to having them thrown on stage which is what made 50 Cent start talking about how his concerts lack them. Drake apparently thinks people not tossing bras at him means they weren't happy with his performance. 

50 Cent Says He Wants to Have Bras Thrown at Him on Stage Like Drake: 'I Need to Feel Special'

Edited August 24, 2023 by Jaded