The View: Week of 12/5/2022

[Back Atcha]

On 12/7/2022 at 12:12 PM, Snapdragon said:

And I'm curious as to what Sunny actually watches, since she hasn't seen Blazing Saddles, The Office or Love Actually.  I mean, I didn't care for Blazing Saddles or Love Actually and only liked the first few seasons of The Office, but I've seen all of them.  

Oh, but DAHLING, Sunny told us that she "reads."  When reminded by Joy of the various movies/TV shows she's seen, she quickly pointed out, "That's for this job." (or something like that).  She reminds me of those snooty people we rarely hear from anymore (the voice of Fraser Crane), "TV? Oh, you mean television?  I don't even own a set."   She READS, people.  Just one more lesson in how much better she is than all of us.  

She READS, yet she can't be interested in a movie she hasn't seen, like, "Love, Actually," because of "too much going on; too many subplots."

                                                                                          Yet SHE READS!!!

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On 12/7/2022 at 1:39 PM, bluegirl147 said:

 I remember when Mad Men was on and some people criticized it for showing women in a certain way.  They weren't in managerial positions.  A lot of women looked the other way when their husbands cheated.  Unfortunately that was the reality for a lot of women during that time period.  

Born in 1940 and started as a Steno I in 1958.  I LOVED watching "Mad Men," and remembering.  There were so many things I should have resented, but I had no clue.  I was happy at my job--loved the clothing of that era (I still look back with fondness).  I was always given a lot of responsibility considering my age; my mother was also an office worker.  We both had "managerial" duties--just not the titles or money.

I think we felt lucky to have jobs we liked...my mother was able to buy a house.  We had cars.  I was Catholic and followed all the rules.  I lived an easy life by following all the rules--trained NOT to question (at home, at school, at church).  LUCKILY...THE SIXTIES came along and rearranged me.  With every decade came big changes.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Back Atcha

[Back Atcha]

12 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

With that being said Sunny isn't wrong.  Attractive people are treated better in society.

AND...

• In love
• In court
• In prison
• In politics
• In school
• Etc.

[Back Atcha]

4 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

12 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I could totally see Sunny "suggest" to Paloma or Gabriel to have her grandkid's nose fixed if she thought they weren't pretty enough.  

Looks are way too important to Sunny.  Remember she said Manny has never seen her without makeup.

Why would Sunny say that since her children have Black noses and that would be anti-Black.  Sunny is far from that..

Hasn't Sunny had at least one nose job to make it narrower ... and currently "shading" to make her nose appear thinner?

4 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

Plus, Sunny would love her grandchildren no matter what.. 

I'm SURE she'd love them and brag about them (incessantly), but when discussing that "ugly" girlfriend, she jumped right in and said plastic surgery is always available.  I think she might try to INSIST on it if she could objectively consider her grandchildren unattractive.  

OR...is cosmetic surgery good for Sunny...only?

[Haleth]

8 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said:

I disagree. I think Sunny was right that this story spotlights the uneven salaries between women and men in the same career. I don't think someone needs to be poor to "deserve" being paid equal to their male counterparts.

It's not even just the disparity.  I'd wager women athletes have much shorter careers than men while being just as threatened by injury.  It makes sense for the women to make as much as they can during their brief careers, because who knows what their next step will be?

The Office?  Never saw either the US or British version.  Blazing Saddles?  Funny but I much prefer Young Frankenstein.  Love, Actually is the best (the porn storyline is often edited out of tv showings.) and I never found the Mark/Juliette relationship morally questionable.

Edited December 9, 2022 by Haleth

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17 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Funny but I much prefer Young Frankenstein. 

Sedagive!

[bluegirl147]

9 hours ago, Pearson80 said:

Plus, Sunny would love her grandchildren no matter what.. 

I didn't say Sunny wouldn't love her grandchildren no matter what.  I've known people who have loved their kids and grandkids and still suggested they do things to improve their looks.  

8 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

Was it Al Pacino the ladies were talking about today & could someone give me the gist of the conversation?  (My damn phone rang & I missed that segment.)  Deleted in error.

They talked about Beverly D'Angelo telling her husband she was in love with someone else and him initially being upset till he found out it was Al Pacino she was in love with. Then he was happy for her.  Joy talked about knowing him and how charming he is.

5 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

She READS, yet she can't be interested in a movie she hasn't seen,

I read a lot too and I watch a lot of TV/movies.  

I think Sunny watches more TV than she is admitting.  

Edited December 9, 2022 by bluegirl147

[lookeyloo]

10 minutes ago, bluegirl147 said:

I didn't say Sunny wouldn't love her grandchildren no matter what.  I've known people who have loved their kids and grandkids and still suggested they do things to improve their looks.  

They talked about Beverly D'Angelo telling her husband she was in love with someone else and him initially being upset till he found out it was Al Pacino she was in love with. Then he was happy for her.  Joy talked about knowing him and how charming he is.

I read a lot too and I watch a lot of TV/movies.  

I think Sunny watches more TV than she is admitting.  

My opinion from folks I know that this is true for a lot. I have a friend who has a MLS as a media expert and claims she doesn't use a computer, watch tv, have a cell phone. That part might be true. But based on what she talks about she isn't getting all that from library books. 

[sugarbaker design]

1 hour ago, bluegirl147 said:

I think Sunny watches more TV than she is admitting.  

and reads much less than she is admitting.

[Haleth]

I think Ana and Alyssa are right that Kristen Sinema will still largely vote D. Yeah, she has obstructed some legislation but I believe she generally toes the line.

Manoman, I have a brand new fancy tv and the make up on these women looks terrible. Way too bright and not blended enough. 

[Oneofem]

40 minutes ago, Haleth said:

I think Ana and Alyssa are right that Kristen Sinema will still largely vote D. Yeah, she has obstructed some legislation but I believe she generally toes the line.

Manoman, I have a brand new fancy tv and the make up on these women looks terrible. Way too bright and not blended enough. 

Would love to respond honestly to your first paragraph, but won’t!

My tv is old, but even so, I just can’t get over how Sara’s stunning natural beauty is being desecrated daily!  Seems like when she started on the show, her makeup was much more subtle, but now it’s usually rather freakish/amateurish/OVERDONE.  What the heck is up with her cosmetic crew(/her kids???)

[Pearson80]

3 hours ago, bluegirl147 said:

I didn't say Sunny wouldn't love her grandchildren no matter what.  I've known people who have loved their kids and grandkids and still suggested they do things to improve their looks.  

11 hours ago, Medicine Crow said:

When I read your post it seemed like you were trying to insinuate that she would be a terrible grandmother to her grandchildren like people on here like to say that she is a terrible awful mother to her children. Sunny can't do anything right  not even mother her own children that she fought to have after losing 5 before she had the two she was blessed to have.  People are still triggered over Sunny not being interested in a movie so my apologies if I got your post wrong.

[TheGreenKnight]

15 hours ago, Snapdragon said:

Let's be real.  The WNBA doesn't pull in anywhere near the amount the NBA does.  From what I could find online, the WNBA makes about $60 million a year, whereas the NBA makes about $7.5 billion.  If the WNBA was selling tickets, merch, etc like the NBA, then you could make a case for equal pay but when one brings in 125 times more revenue, they're not going to pay the same.  In a perfect world scenario, yes, there'd be as much interest in female athletics as there is in male but for the majority of sports, that's just not the case.  

This can all be true and still be considered an unfair state of affairs at the same time though? And in a scenario like that one, it would become more about proportion. Is Griner paid proportionally in relation to what the WNBA makes to what a male player is getting in relation to what the NBA makes, for example.

Anyway, to today's show. I agreed with Sunny that Sinema is re-writing history, that Arizona voted her in as what she was (it's not like her affiliation was hidden when they voted for her), and she's just trying to salvage her career now everyone despises her in her home state. Good luck!

[bluegirl147]

15 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

Anyway, to today's show. I agreed with Sunny that Sinema is re-writing history, that Arizona voted her in as what she was (it's not like her affiliation was hidden when they voted for her), and she's just trying to salvage her career now everyone despises her in her home state. Good luck!

When I voted for my governor for his first term  he was Democrat. That is why I voted for him. Once in office he switched parties.  There is also a state legislator who won as a Democrat just last month and days after switched parties.  It is a slap in the face to voters who vote for someone and then they switch parties.  This is why people hate politicians.

And this will not help Sinema at all. She was already going to be primaried so this just makes it easier.

Edited December 9, 2022 by bluegirl147

[HerkyJerky]

6 hours ago, sugarbaker design said:

Sedagive!

That was a good scene but here's my favorite!

[jalady]

Joy (and jalady): “who’s Naomi?”  After Ana mentioned that the first Hispanic White House social secretary did Naomi’s wedding, the Christmas party, the Kennedy Center Honors, etc.  I figured it out about 5 seconds before Joy asked the question out loud. 😂 (She’s the Biden granddaughter who recently got married at the White House).

[KittyQ]

10 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

"TV? Oh, you mean television?  I don't even own a set."   She READS, people.  Just one more lesson in how much better she is than all of us.  

Haha! There's this trope where people who watch TV or movies don't read and vice versa. But I think that's a stereotype.  One time when we moved, we had a moving company (we had tons of boxes) and the mover told my husband, "You know, usually people who have this many TVs don't have this many books". All my husband could say was that we do both.

[Back Atcha]

42 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

Haha! There's this trope where people who watch TV or movies don't read and vice versa. But I think that's a stereotype.  One time when we moved, we had a moving company (we had tons of boxes) and the mover told my husband, "You know, usually people who have this many TVs don't have this many books". All my husband could say was that we do both.

EXACTLY!  My tiny house (1000sf) has three TALL/filled bookcases*, two bedrooms, and FOUR televisions.   Not to mention the hundreds of novels on my collection of 50-ish Walkman Mp3 players.  Some of us CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.  (*Books sitting around on tables, the floor, etc.)

[JAYJAY1979]

23 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

Is it "safe" to be using the term WRONGLY CONVICTED on American television when discussing Russia-imprisoned Brittney Griner?  Do we want to make matters worse for Americans over there?

Sara said "the punishment doesn't fit the crime."  That's more like it.  Ms. Griner DID smuggle (the dictionary definition) illicit material into Russia, and she did plead Guilty.  I don't want the Russian authorities to obtain unnecessary evidence from an American talk show.  Look up "Poke the Bear."

This situation is why Americans traveling to another country need to look up their laws and what is against the law and what the penalties are.

While the panel can have an opinion on the punishment not fitting the crime, we have to remember she was in Russia..not the United states..so she was dealing with Russian law, not the US's law.

Regarding the holiday movie/The Office debate.  I've seen Love Actually (the Laura Linney arc was so sad..it diluted the rest of the movie for me), never seen Blazing Saddle, and I don't think The Office is funny (I also don't like the Mockumentary format)

[Welshman in Ca]

1 hour ago, Oneofem said:

My tv is old, but even so, I just can’t get over how Sara’s stunning natural beauty is being desecrated daily!  Seems like when she started on the show, her makeup was much more subtle, but now it’s usually rather freakish/amateurish/OVERDONE.  What the heck is up with her cosmetic crew(/her kids???)

Didn't see today's episode but yesterday her lipstick looked like it was put slapped on in the dark and her make varies between very subtle & clownish. She doesn't need so much make up.

[Welshman in Ca]

1 minute ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

This situation is why Americans traveling to another country need to look up their laws and what is against the law and what the penalties are.

While the panel can have an opinion on the punishment not fitting the crime, we have to remember she was in Russia..not the United states..so she was dealing with Russian law, not the US's law.

Why do I keep hearing people saying that she had a doctors note? It doesn't matter if she had a note from god him/herself if it's not legal in the country you're traveling to it's not legal, end of story, she's not a special case because she's an American. If I go back to the UK to visit family I can't just take a pile of legal in the USA cannabis in any way shape or form just because it's legal in California, I can't even take it to some states so why should Russia be any different.

I've seen the movie Midnight Express and I wouldn't even take a multivitamin to some countries.

[KittyQ]

48 minutes ago, Welshman in Ca said:

Why do I keep hearing people saying that she had a doctors note? It doesn't matter if she had a note from god him/herself if it's not legal in the country you're traveling to it's not legal, end of story, she's not a special case because she's an American. If I go back to the UK to visit family I can't just take a pile of legal in the USA cannabis in any way shape or form just because it's legal in California, I can't even take it to some states so why should Russia be any different.

I've seen the movie Midnight Express and I wouldn't even take a multivitamin to some countries.

I think people mention the prescription because it makes the situation sound more legitimate, as in she's not using cannabis for recreation, she needs it for some medical purpose, so she shouldn't be penalized. The problem is, as you say, the laws are different in other countries and even between states here. There are also medications that aren't illegal elsewhere, but which might be more strictly controlled. A few years ago, I went to NZ and had trouble sleeping, so I went looking for something like a Tylenol PM in the local stores and found that this was not common there. When I asked the pharmacist for something OTC, they told me sleep aids needed a doctor's order. Maybe there was a misunderstanding due to our different interpretations of what I wanted, but it threw me off that I couldn't just pick something off the shelf. 

[Haleth]

Sure, BG broke the law, but the penalty was not commensurate with others who were also charged and found guilty.  She was being used.  No question about that.

[Welshman in Ca]

18 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Sure, BG broke the law, but the penalty was not commensurate with others who were also charged and found guilty.  She was being used.  No question about that.

I don't think anybody said different, but why put yourself in that position? She either thought she was special and the rules didn't apply to her or she is just stupid, take your pick, there is no other reason to put yourself in that situation when traveling outside your own country.

[KittyQ]

24 minutes ago, Haleth said:

Sure, BG broke the law, but the penalty was not commensurate with others who were also charged and found guilty.  She was being used.  No question about that.

No doubt that the Russians figured they had a useful pawn when they arrested her. I wonder how many times they noted that she had vape stuff when she went to Russia before they decided to nab her. A well-known figure that will get pressure put on the administration to negotiate for is a valuable bargaining chip. Lower value prisoners wouldn't get the arms dealer released, as we saw. 

Note to self: don't get arrested in another country because you aren't important enough to swap for any big-time prisoners. 

[Oneofem]

Agree with most above - be careful out there, folks!  BG may've just gotten lax, having played in Russia since 2014.  I def believe in equal pay, but can't drum up tons of sympathy in this situation.  BG endangered her freedom while earning over $200K per season in the USA. In  contrast, yesterday was also Latina Equal Pay Day - when Latina workers, paid 57% less than white, nonHispanic men, finally reached pay "equity" with same, 21 months later.  

[Mldyold]

2 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

EXACTLY!  My tiny house (1000sf) has three TALL/filled bookcases*, two bedrooms, and FOUR televisions.   Not to mention the hundreds of novels on my collection of 50-ish Walkman Mp3 players.  Some of us CAN walk and chew gum at the same time.  (*Books sitting around on tables, the floor, etc.)

Me too...bookshelves all over and televisions for those who have other interests.   Sometimes you want a tv show, other times a good book.  It is nice to have so many choices!

[Oneofem]

Loved the pics of my favorite Republican gazing adoringly at Biden! And Sunny & Jr at the White House - what wonderful memories for her son.  Sunny looked fab today in her red maxi dress, barely tired at all, apparently.

[After7Only]

3 hours ago, JAYJAY1979 said:

While the panel can have an opinion on the punishment not fitting the crime, we have to remember she was in Russia..not the United states..so she was dealing with Russian law, not the US's law.

I think most realize that.  She pled guilty so what she did is not in dispute.   The ladies discussed previously that the the punishment was not fitting of the crime at all and cited examples of other Americans caught with more drugs on them were given a couple of months sentence.   She was clearly there for political purposes that had little to do with the crime she committed which is why there was such an uproar to get her released.  

I think it's interesting that Whelan is not held to the same level of scrutiny on what he was doing in Russia and the specifics of whatever it was that landed him in jail there.   

[TheGreenKnight]

5 hours ago, Oneofem said:

Loved the pics of my favorite Republican gazing adoringly at Biden!

Certainly the best on this panel. My favorite from this show was probably Paula Faris. Interestingly, Ana first joined the show the same season Paula did (and Sunny, too, actually). I also liked Abby. Sara is imitating the same function Abby played these days, but it's not really a good fit because Sara's been on the show expressing certain opinions for years. Her suddenly saying something very different now makes it seems like the show tells her what to say, whereas Abby was mostly herself. As far as personality, Alyssa is somewhere between Abby and Jedidiah (who I really did not like); so I'm never going to like Alyssa, but she doesn't "spoil" the show for me outright either.

6 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I think people mention the prescription because it makes the situation sound more legitimate, as in she's not using cannabis for recreation, she needs it for some medical purpose, so she shouldn't be penalized.

That's mostly in response to those who use that fact as a way to dismiss her jailing as justified and her life as worthless.

[Back Atcha]

50 minutes ago, TheGreenKnight said:

As far as personality, Alyssa is somewhere between Abby and Jedidiah (who I really did not like); so I'm never going to like Alyssa, but she doesn't "spoil" the show for me outright either.

I think of Alyssa as an antidote to Meghan.  NEEDED the antidote; waiting to see if there are bad aftereffects.  So far so good.

[Back Atcha]

5 hours ago, Mldyold said:

Me too...bookshelves all over and televisions for those who have other interests.   Sometimes you want a tv show, other times a good book.  It is nice to have so many choices!

And since we're not sitting at The View's table, no one can judge our plebian taste.

Sometimes when I hear, "I prefer to READ!," I like to say, "Have you finished your copy of PEOPLE Magazine yet?"  (Or...decades ago: "Reader's Digest.")

6 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I think people mention the prescription because it makes the situation sound more legitimate, as in she's not using cannabis for recreation, she needs it for some medical purpose,

Like the many (MANY!) people I knew in my state (before legalization) who had prescriptions yet STILL generally used marijuana for "recreational purposes."  Do most people really stop to judge whether it was medicinal or recreational--when it's legal? 

Edited December 10, 2022 by Back Atcha

[Gemma Violet]

17 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

"TV? Oh, you mean television?  I don't even own a set."   

It's like that episode of The Dick Van Dyke Show entitled, "I'm No Henry Walden," where a snobbish lady at a writer's party tells Rob, "But I don't own a television machine."

I knew some of H.E.R.'s music, but I didn't know much about her.  She's delightful.  

[KittyQ]

41 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

Sometimes when I hear, "I prefer to READ!," I like to say, "Have you finished your copy of PEOPLE Magazine yet?"  (Or...decades ago: "Reader's Digest.")

Like the many (MANY!) people I knew in my state (before legalization) who had prescriptions yet STILL generally marijuana for "recreational purposes."  Do most people really stop to judge whether it was medicinal or recreational--when it's legal? 

I used to work in a bookstore, and at first, I felt a little judgmental about what people bought, but then I realized that the fact that they wanted to read anything was a big win for literacy all around. But yes, just saying that you "read" could mean that you read anything, including National Enquirer articles. 

As far as whether people care about medicinal vs. recreational, I think in states where it is legal, this doesn't matter, but if you end up in a foreign court, saying this was for medicinal purposes sounds more respectable.

[Back Atcha]

21 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

As far as whether people care about medicinal vs. recreational, I think in states where it is legal, this doesn't matter, but if you end up in a foreign court, saying this was for medicinal purposes sounds more respectable

And definitely safer--legally.  So many people were able to get "prescriptions with little or no trouble.  I'm disappointed that the handlers on her team weren't as strict with her as they should have been.  This has been a sad and dangerous lesson.

[RealHousewife]

On 12/8/2022 at 10:22 PM, Snapdragon said:

Let's be real.  The WNBA doesn't pull in anywhere near the amount the NBA does.  From what I could find online, the WNBA makes about $60 million a year, whereas the NBA makes about $7.5 billion.  If the WNBA was selling tickets, merch, etc like the NBA, then you could make a case for equal pay but when one brings in 125 times more revenue, they're not going to pay the same.  In a perfect world scenario, yes, there'd be as much interest in female athletics as there is in male but for the majority of sports, that's just not the case.  

I'm not into sports, so it astonishes me that some of these athletes get paid such huge sums when you think of what school teachers and nurses get paid. I understand it boils down to the fact they bring in huge bucks though. 

Why do you all think there's such a larger audience for the NBA? 

[Back Atcha]

14 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I used to work in a bookstore, and at first, I felt a little judgmental about what people bought, but then I realized that the fact that they wanted to read anything was a big win for literacy all around.

I have a friend who taught elementary school.  She was also a tutor for reading in the 70s. She usually started the meetings with comic books.  Some parents were aghast!  She'd simply say to them, "You want him* to read, don't you?  Let's start with something he might WANT to read."

*most of her clients were boys.

[GHScorpiosRule]

Shut up. Sara.

And Jeeze Louise! Is Joy expected to know EVERYTHING AND EVERYONE? So what if she didn’t know Naomi is Biden’s granddaughter.

 

But I did love the picture of Ana smiling lovingly into President Biden’s eyes!

Sunny was right on the mark about Synema.

And Alyssa can miss me with her “both sidesism” when talking about fringe radicals when her party has elected officials of that ilk.

Edited December 10, 2022 by GHScorpiosRule

[RealHousewife]

45 minutes ago, Back Atcha said:

I have a friend who taught elementary school.  She was also a tutor for reading in the 70s. She usually started the meetings with comic books.  Some parents were aghast!  She'd simply say to them, "You want him* to read, don't you?  Let's start with something he might WANT to read."

*most of her clients were boys.

I totally understand that. I think it's great for kids to read period to expand their vocabularies. I also am not big on book shaming adults. I've gotten crap for reading Danielle Steel in the past. Whatever. Her novels are comforting and sell big for a reason. 

What I don't like though is the people who are all pretentious about not watching TV but don't even read great works of literature. 

[KittyQ]

20 minutes ago, RealHousewife said:

I totally understand that. I think it's great for kids to read period to expand their vocabularies. I also am not big on book shaming adults. I've gotten crap for reading Danielle Steel in the past. Whatever. Her novels are comforting and sell big for a reason. 

What I don't like though is the people who are all pretentious about not watching TV but don't even read great works of literature. 

There are all kinds of books out there. Some are more "serious" than others, but getting into the habit of reading, especially for pleasure is important. It makes the reader better at reading work material and identifying significant concepts. 

Reading the classics is also important, but I think it requires the reader to "slow down" as they get used to the very different way that they are written. The style of writing is so different than it is now, even for more "literary" books. Because of that, many modern readers avoid classic literature. 

[athousandclowns]

On 12/7/2022 at 9:57 PM, Back Atcha said:

Our family watched the British version of The Office and loved it.  When the American show started, it took awhile for us to cozy up to ANY of the characters.  Eventually they won us over--clever writing and very good acting.  I think one reason America's The Office was popular was that  many of us had bosses who were annoying, worthless, condescending jerks--and it was nice to see a comical spin put on them.

I watched the British version and loved it , tried the American one and its couldn’t keep my interest. 

[JAYJAY1979]

17 hours ago, Back Atcha said:

I think of Alyssa as an antidote to Meghan.  NEEDED the antidote; waiting to see if there are bad aftereffects.  So far so good.

Bad after effect is that Sunny is more like Meghan now.

[Back Atcha]

On 12/9/2022 at 6:42 AM, bluegirl147 said:

I read a lot too and I watch a lot of TV/movies.  

I think Sunny watches more TV than she is admitting.  

There is A LOT Sunny won't admit.  She thinks she has convinced all her viewers of her perfection and believes we all admire her as a:

• Perfect Cath-O-lic
• Perfect Mother
• Perfect (though jealous) Wife
• Perfect Daughter and In-Law
• Perfect Child and Student
• Perfect Hostess
• Perfect Friend
• Perfect Fashionista
• Perfect Employee
• Perfect Cook
• Perfect Keeper of Animals

The word "Exemplary" can be used insted of "Perfect" if you prefer.

There are SOME who will never be convinced and want her to relax, flush that smugness, and enjoy life.

Edited December 12, 2022 by Back Atcha