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Nick: Phyllis is gone. I’m constipated.

Sally: I’m dressed like a snake to bring you warm, fuzzy memories of your ex.

Nick: I got a Fleet Platinum in the bathroom. Can you de-poopify me in my time of grief?

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Nikki: There was so much pain in Nicholas’ voice on the phone.

Victor: He’s probably trying to pass another brick. I’ve offered him my Metamucil, k? Phyllis’ death would affect anyone, yougotthat?

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Sharon: Is it… is it okay to dance? I have a very elaborate celebratory dance planned for this occasion specifically. There’s elements of Salsa, Charleston, the Jive - oh shit, Chance. Here’s my sad face.

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Phyllis: This coffee tastes like it was drained off the LaBrea tar pits.

Jeremy: Get used to it. This isn’t Crimson Lights, where Sharon spits a secret ingredient into your mug.

Phyllis: What? What?

Jeremy: This plan is working perfectly. You can’t ever go back, because Genoa City residents will realize they’re the stupidest fucking assholes on the planet.

Phyllis: Someone is knocking! Knocking! I’d better stand here in plain sight.

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Kyle: Check out my nipples in this shirt, Dad.

Jack: I’d rather not. Even though Phyllis had become a psychotic train wreck, I still wanted to throw on my conductor’s cap and ride it off the rails.

Kyle: Mom’s not in trouble, is she?

Jack: Of course not. Unless she spouts off heresies about Saint Phyllis.

Kyle: I don’t know what to do about Summer. I offered her one of my therapy hats and she slapped me silly. She is so joyous and full of life that it’s hard to see her like this.

Jack: Are you sure you’re talking about Summer?

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Chance: Here we are, taking everything about this Phyllis situation at face value. Poirot I am not.

Christine: We’ll never get anything out of Phyllis’ remains. That ambulance burned like a motherfucker.

Chance: The mysterious poison will never be traced. We’ll just ignore how intense that fire would have to be to register that level of physical obliteration.

Christine: If we science too much, some audience members might march on us with torches and pitchforks.

Chance: Jeremy was pointing the finger at Diane. The middle one.

Christine: He’s a wild card. And not the good kind like in Uno.

Michael: May I sit down and rub my great love for Phyllis in Chris’ face?

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Stash: Turns out my name is Carson. Stash Carson.

Phyllis: Why would you even come here? That facial hair is like the Pied Piper.

Jeremy: He and I have unfinished business. Take this money and buy a razor, man.

Phyllis: Did the cops buy the story? The poison stuff? Were you convincing? Convincing?

Stash: More convincing than those three goats in a trench coat Victor employs.

Jeremy: Alright. Your debt is paid. You still owe society for that lip duster, but that ain’t none of my business.

Phyllis: Carson gets to keep his identity. Boo hoo.

Jeremy: No regrets, Phyllis. Diane will soon be a murder suspect. You’d best leave before the fashion police spot that sweater.

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Nick: We’ll put the enema on a shelf. That Ex-Lax brownie might do for me.

Sally: You’re so understanding.

Nick: I know. When I’m radiating grief, I snort like an angry bull. It’s the manly way to mourn.

Sally: Her poor kids.

Nick: Noah and Allie are tripping balls but should come around soon. I told Faith to call her sister. She laughed, but that’s how she grieves. Wait, those aren’t her kids. Are they?

Sally: How’s Christian?

Nick: Who? You keep brnging him up and I’m like… wut?

Sally: Your garage attendant.

Nick: Right! Oh, he adored Phyllis. She always tipped him a shiny quarter for giving her windshield a nice squeegee.

Sally: You know, you can always go to Summer.

Nick: It’s so difficult staying away from her. She’s probably not in an enema mood tho.

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Summer: I’m fine. I’m a bad ass woman who is done with being sad. Time to get shit done.

Jack: Sure. Want some breakfast?

Kyle: Need to do some more slapping? My cheek is still numb.

Summer: Not hungry. Not wallowing. Where’s Harrison?

Jack: Diane took him for a latte.

Summer: Oh. You guys thought I’d attack Diane again. Believe me, I’m over it. I’m going out.

Kyle: To work? Stay home. Stay in bed. I already called in for the next six months.

Summer: I have a memorial to plan. The Cult of Copperhead will rise.

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Michael: Lauren said she could literally feel her heart breaking.

Christine: Was she hungry? Forgetting that food was the second biggest tragedy of the evening.

Michael: I need you to hear this chilling voicemail from Phyllis. I had my phone shut off because I promised Lauren a romantic evening. Imagine my shock when I turned it back on to hear this not at all scripted anti-Diane screed.

Phyllis: Michael. Caw caw! Diane. She opened a giant can of whoop ass and forced it down my throat. She threatened to bludgeon me to death with a pair of skis. I’m conveniently terrified of that crazy bitch and have left this convenient, incriminating message prior to my unexpected death. Caw!

Christine: Tee-hee.

Michael: Something funny?

Christine: Justice for Phyllis depends on her hit and run victim. Oh sorry, I’m supposed to pretend her campaign of terror against me was “mutual”. 

Michael: Now that’s hilarious!

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Kyle: Come in, Victor.

Jack: Are you crazy? My silver-tipped wooden stake is in the shop.

Summer: Grandma, Grandpa, you don’t have to check on me. I’m fine. I’m a Newman and we are awesome!

Kyle: Weird flex.

Summer: I won’t be coddled. That’s why I blocked Dad’s number.

Kyle: Summer has started planning her mother’s memorial service.

Nikki: So soon? My dear, that is how the peasantry mourns.

Victor: Don’t put Michael Baldwin in charge of the food, yougotthat?

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Jeremy: Are you having second thoughts? We’re not going to find marks this dumb again.

Phyllis: When I started my meltdown, my kids seemed disturbed. When I passed out, though, they seemed concerned.

Jeremy: People who aren’t narcissists often express care for those experiencing medical distress.

Phyllis: Huh. How did they react to the horrible news that my ambulance crashed?

Jeremy: They were upset. Are human emotions foreign to you?

Phyllis: Why did the driver agree to fake his own death?

Jeremy: He was Billy Abbott’s ear, nose and throat specialist. It was time to move on.

Phyllis: The two stiffs from the morgue?

Jeremy: I outbid Victor for them. A question for you: where are you going to begin your new life?

Phyllis: I hadn’t thought that far ahead. I could probably stay in Genoa City and no one would notice.

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Nick: Phyllis was the embodiment of life. She was wild and free, fierce and untamed. She was a mustang of the plains, her spirit too bold and sassy to be tamed.

Sally: Poetry.

Nick: My relationship with Phyllis - hey, I just realized I might come across as a disgusting warthog if I keep talking. Plus, I think my payload is touching cotton.

Sally: Tell me of your magical courtship.

Nick: Sharon and I had lost our daughter. I was drowning, and my dick latched onto the first life raft that floated by. I mean, I was hunting down Phyllis’ son, who I wrongly blamed for Cassie’s accident, so I could pound the bejeezus out of him. How are two people not supposed to bang in that situation?

Sally: Of course.

Nick: I guess Phyllis was with Jack at the time. He was a pretty good stepdad to me once, but doesn’t that make his woman off limits.

Sally: Naturally.

Nick: Sharon had mixed feelings about it. Her daughter was dead, Phyllis was always shoving her bump with my replacement daughter in it in her face. I’ll miss her.

Sally: It’s just amazing that you could still be friends. What a prince you are.

Nick: Right? We had an unbreakable bond, at least until the paramedics showed up with solvent. And we had Summer. Well I wasn’t sure I had Summer, but I kept that on the down low until she was an adult. Hey, I lost one daughter and here was a brand new baby. It was meant to be.

Sally: You’re the greatest father who ever lived.

Nick: Now Summer is shutting me out. I used to sing a song to her when she was little and being all pouty. I like big butts and I cannot lie…

Sally: She’ll get through this, Nick. Because she has you, superdad.

Nick: Lack of fiber is my kryptonite.

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Sharon: I thought losing my daughter was rock bottom. Nick abandoned me, cheated on me, knocked up his mistress and had a happy little family with his new child and my son. Talk about salt in the wound.

Chance: It was mutual, right? I’m learning that Phyllis cannot wrong, she can only be wronged.

Sharon: She dropped my friend off a cliff.

Chance: That was a long time ago, before her canonization.

Sharon: I will say, when I was diagnosed with cancer, she was rather kind.

Chance: Wow. And she’s not a Nobel Peace Prize winner?

Sharon: Hard to believe.

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Victor: Jagabbot, we need to talk. This accident was very strange. That ambulance was traveling a strange route to the hospital.

Jack: The Collins Road. Why would the driver need to pass by a mime academy and butt lift clinic?

Victor: Could the poison have collapsed her ass cheeks?

Jack: I hope you’re not implying Diane had anything to do with it.

Victor: Perhaps Jeremy and Phyllis were adopting a mime. We must get to the bottom of this. I’ll be Sherlock Holmes and you can be Twatson, k?

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Jeremy: We need to go our separate ways now. I’ll always look back on our brief marriage fondly.

Phyllis: You mean you’ll look upon your inheritance fondly.

Jeremy: Your kids get half too. And you’ve still got a huge pile of cash to start over with. You’re shrewd and determined. You can find a place to lay low and wait for news of Diane’s arrest. Meanwhile, I’ll be using my new fortune to ensconce myself, my home, my pets and my car in velour.

Phyllis: Oh, a memorial service for me. I’ll certainly pass on that opportunity to snort adoration like fresh cut cocaine. Caw! 

 

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And again today the monkeys with a keyboard have treated us to a large slice of Finlandia Swiss Cheese while Stark thinks that the plan is working like clockwork that is moving perfectly 😂.  Stark tell me how perfect was your plan to launder money. That cost you six years. This plan can cost you a lot more. 

Oh I forgot to ask, did the accident happen in front of Rexx Ruggs?  Maybe Rexx Ruggs’ deer got loose and ran into the road. 

Crispy previously known as Copperhead, Stark, the EMT, and the ambulance driver are all in on the deception. Color me surprised (not). The EMT was able to secure a Jane Doe and a John Doe that just happened to be in the morgue. The EMT gets paid off and the driver gets a new identity. 

Now for the absolute unequivocal 🐂💩 about Crispy’s body can’t be identified by the medical examiner.  It can’t be possible that there was too  much damage caused by the fire to do a viable autopsy. The fire did not burn long enough to turn bone and teeth to ashes. DNA can be taken from the bones and teeth, via dental records, can determine the identity of the body.  The medical examiner must use all possible means to make sure that’s Crispy’s body and determine the cause of death before he can issue a death certificate. The death certificate is a legal document that is required before the body to be buried or cremated.  The medical examiner must determine this on his own volition so the blood sample, taken by the EMT, is not a determining factor for the medical examiner. 

As for the blood sample, they can test all they want but there is no chain of evidence and Crispy whispering poison to the EMT is nothing more than hear say plus how would Crispy of known she was poisoned. 

Christian adored Crispy?  He hardly sees his father but he sees Crispy?  Great father, he doesn’t tell Christian about Crispy so the nanny can take him to the zoo to visit his father’s relatives.  Has Christian ever met Sally?  

So Crispy did marry Stark so her will could be changed to leave half her money to Stark and half her money to Summer and Daniel but she still has a boatload of money to start over. Where did Crispy get the money to start over?  I got news for Stark, Crispy’s will cannot be probated unless there is a death certificate. In addition, Summer and Daniel can contest the will since they were only married 3 days. Chance, please tell me how inheriting a bunch of Crispy’s money is not a motive for murder. How can the world be her playground?  Somewhere someday Crispy could be recognized.  There is a news article about a memorial service for Crispy so she can be even more responsible. Do you think that Crispy is vain enough to show up at her own memorial service in disguise?  I do. 

Michael’s voice mail from Crispy brings nothing new to the table. Chance and others know that Diane and Crispy had a fight and Diane threatened to kill her. No where in the message was poison mentioned. There best line of the day, month, or year when Michael said to Christine, “It’s almost like Crispy planned this” for her worst enemy to solve her murder. 

Leave it to Victor to be suspect of what happened. As a master of deceptions in his own right, he would know when something smell rotten in GC. With Victor on the case, Stark should be afraid very afraid.  Crispy only has to be afraid of her children. 

I can see a memorial for Crispy now with Summer making an enlightening speech. 

Friends, Wisconsins, GC residents, lend me your ears; I come to bury Crispy and to praise her. The good that she’s done lives after her; the bad will be interred with her bones.  Most people thought that Crispy was a maniacal psychopath. They might be right but above all, Crispy’s misplaced love for her children was undeniable. 

All these people pontificating about Crispy is 🤢🤢🤮🤮

But all in all, it’s a soap opera and the monkeys with a keyboard never let the truth get in the way of a good story. But, I have to add, it’s not even a good story. 

 

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@Waldo13, @NinjaPenguins

I am spent.

I am also really...insulted that the monkeys with typewriters think this story  line is interesting let alone suspenseful.  As another poster said, I am taking a break from the show but NOT the boards.  I couldn't start my day without you guys.

eta: this show has definitely, officially jumped the shark.

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On 4/3/2023 at 6:06 PM, gingerella said:

Mixed feelings about bringing back JT Halstrom. I mean, if he gets back with MoP and we no longer have to watch her in heat over Nate, I guess I could get with that story line...

I couldn't. I can't get over them turning JT into an abuser.

On 4/5/2023 at 6:25 PM, Js Nana said:

But wouldn't that be a great twist if it was somebody else, like maybe Nikki, or Victor, or somebody completely out of left field?

I would love it if they gave Nikki something interesting to do for a change.

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Note to Phyllis: As far as JS is concerned, there's more than one way for you to disapear; you can leave voluntarily, or he can hire someone to "disappear" you in such a way that there'll be nothing of you left to find - either way works for him.

Note to Nick: What do the hired help tell Christian when his father doesn't come home because he's spending the night screwing his bio-father's baby mamma.

Note to Adam: Do you know that your brother has fobbed-off raising your son on the hired help while he screws the night away with your baby mamma?

In my opinion, the producers and writers could not be doing a better job of running this show into the ground.  If I were the Queen of Y&R, I would refocus the show, just as was done in the 1980s, when the well-off Stuart family and the working-class Brooks and Foster families storylines were phased out and Genoa City was turned into a major metropolis and center of operations for the Chancellor, Abbott and Newman international Captains of Industry, by cutting back the focus on the Chancellors, Abbots, Hamilton/Winters and Newmans, and phasing in  characters more representative of middle class and working class family life - characters whose personal and family woes include financial issues, which no one on Y&R ever seems to be faced with, even when they're fired and have children to feed.  In any case, that's my rant for today

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Waking up to a world without Phyllis Summers in it:

Heh, how the mighty have fallen. It's a long drop from the chic Grody Podium to a basic No-Tell Motel.

EMT Carson is dirty. Gosh, golly, gee whiz. Boy is Chance going to feel dumb when he finds out.

Good thing Christine had been the DA before and was able to hit the ground running. This will be the case of the decade when Jeremy and Phyllis' scheme either succeeds or goes up in flames.

Sure, Nick, Summer needs space. Maybe NE's aeronautics division could provide a rocket to jettison her right into the sun.

It's a rare day when Victor deigns to enter the Abbott manse and make himself at home. Good job, Phyllis!

Poor Sally, having to listen to Nick moan about the impact Phyllis had had on his life. Yet again she's Red 2.0, the cheap imitation of cheap product.

I'm tired of hearing about how much Phyllis loved her kids. She doesn't seem to  love them enough to put their emotional well-being above her obsession with and hatred of Diane.

Phyllis bequeathed half of her estate to her widower husband the ace criminal. Wow, that's going to look like Stark killed her for her money, especially after the arrogant way he was acting at the gala.

Yep, Phyllis is going to put on one of her goofy "incognito" outfits and attend her own memorial service. Her ego will say yes but her good sense will scream, "Oh. Come. On!" 🙄

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Kyle: Check out my nipples in this shirt, Dad.

Ugh, that was so not attractive. It must have been extra cold on set during the filming.

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2 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

Now for the absolute unequivocal 🐂💩 about Crispy’s body can’t be identified by the medical examiner.

I think what was meant that they couldn't determine the cause of death because of the damage to the body, so they'll be relying on the vial of blood to both identify the body as Phyllis and to test for poison as a possible cause of death, as the "EMT" told Chance that "poison" was the last word Phyllis' uttered - one question I have is how would it be possible to introduce the poison into the blood in the vial without making it look like someone just poured poison into it.

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37 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Phyllis bequeathed half of her estate to her widower husband the ace criminal. Wow, that's going to look like Stark killed her for her money, especially after the arrogant way he was acting at the gala.

Unless JS stood over her while she signed a will leaving half to him and half to be divided between her kids, then maybe Phyllis didn't actually leave anything to JS in her will at all, maybe she left it all to her kids, but JS won't find out until after Phyllis has absonded for parts unknown with a tidy sum to finance her setting up a new life for herself - could Phyllis be capable of plotting something like that, I mean, what could JS say if she did, he couldn't admit that he'd set-up the whole ruse without paying the consequences, so he'd just have to file it under "People to have killed at the soonest opportunity."

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53 minutes ago, Js Nana said:

I think what was meant that they couldn't determine the cause of death because of the damage to the body, so they'll be relying on the vial of blood to both identify the body as Phyllis and to test for poison as a possible cause of death, as the "EMT" told Chance that "poison" was the last word Phyllis' uttered - one question I have is how would it be possible to introduce the poison into the blood in the vial without making it look like someone just poured poison into it.

The vial of blood, to the ME, is not relevant. The ME must identify the body independently.  The ME can’t rely on something that someone said that  it came from Crispy.  On the death certificate, because it’s a legal document, the ME is putting his name to the fact that the person is the same person that died. The cause of death is undetermined if he can’t find poison in her system and he can’t say that Crispy was murdered. The tricky part would be to put the right amount of poison ☠️ into the vial. Too much would seem like it was just added. Too little and it wouldn’t have the desired effect of how long it was in Crispy’s blood stream before she passed out.  Another tricky part, if Diane was to be blamed, how did she get the poison?  Was it the same way Chelsea got the poison that she gave to Rey.  Most likely there will be poison in the blood but who poisoned Crispy would be hard to prove without direct evidence. 

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2 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Sure, Nick, Summer needs space. Maybe NE's aeronautics division could provide a rocket to jettison her right into the sun.

I am intrigued by your ideas and wish to subscribe to your newsletter.

How does Sally listen to Nick describe abandoning his grieving wife and acting like a dirty dog and not run for the hills? He’s telling you directly that he’s a piece of shit. Get the fuck outta there.

The writer of this drivel can stop gaslighting us any time. Having Phyllis’s biggest victims sing her praises is weird and unnecessary.

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Explain it to me like I'm Nick...Phyllis was still alive when she was taken away in the ambulance, so what proof would there be that it was the poison that killed her and not the fiery crash?  Even if they manage to link the poison to Diane somehow, what ties Diane to the crash that also killed the ambulance driver?   

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6 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

I’m dressed like a snake

I came in late on the beginning and thought Nick was being throttled by a boa constrictor, but it was just a hug. Then she did full frontal and the 'baby bump' made her look like a snake that had just eaten a goat.

When did everyone move out of the Gadawful Palace?  Haven't seen the rooms (strike that: same room, different occupants) at the GCAC in ages.  Did Danny, Nick, Sally and JS/Phylth move en mass to new digs?

Just now, Snaporaz said:

Phyllis was still alive when she was taken away in the ambulance, so what proof would there be that it was the poison that killed her and not the fiery crash?

Great point.  But they can't even prove who died let alone what killed her.  And someone somewhere is going to notice those missing Doe bodies and maybe, just maybe, get a wee tad suspicious.

6 minutes ago, Snaporaz said:

what ties Diane to the crash that also killed the ambulance driver?   

 

She hired the deer.

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Phew!  That was one craptastic episode, but thanks to all of you brave preverts who ventured to watch before me, I made it out in record time, like I was on a slip and slide in ButtBiscuit's nostrils.  

So, is Show low-key shading Christine by giving her yet another case she'll get all wrong and either lose or win so stupidly that it will embarrass even an offscreen Paulie Tightpockets?

So what if Phyllis left a crazy message on Mikey's phone??  She was nutz and if anyone should know that, it's Christine.

I see Phyllis is hiding out in the same motel room that Rey Rey shared with Sharon all those many moons ago.  I also see that Stark saves the shiny jackets for night wear only and goes for Banana Republic sale rack when the sun is up.  

Between Stark's oily self and Phyllis general rankness, they're never going to get the room deposit back.

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7 hours ago, boes said:

I made it out in record time, like I was on a slip and slide in ButtBiscuit's nostrils. 

Dead. 
 

10 hours ago, MollyB said:

She hired the deer

Dead-er.

7 hours ago, boes said:

So what if Phyllis left a crazy message on Mikey's phone??  She was nutz and if anyone should know that, it's Christine

That message was so clearly bullshit. Phyllis sounded like she was on a bender, and no one would ever believe that Jack Abbott has to be tricked into proposing.

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So much stupid happened that I keep remembering new things. Would Nate really be okay with Elena walking home late at night in heels and boobs hanging out?  

Also, there had to be a real live person driving the ambulance, not the corpse from the morgue. Who is he and does his family think he is dead? And did they kidnap him to get the ambulance?

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1 hour ago, MsMalin said:

So much stupid happened that I keep remembering new things. Would Nate really be okay with Elena walking home late at night in heels and boobs hanging out?  

Also, there had to be a real live person driving the ambulance, not the corpse from the morgue. Who is he and does his family think he is dead? And did they kidnap him to get the ambulance?

So many questions but we will remain in the dark because the writers are too dumb to explain

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2 hours ago, MsMalin said:

Also, there had to be a real live person driving the ambulance, not the corpse from the morgue. Who is he and does his family think he is dead? And did they kidnap him to get the ambulance?

The not-so-dead ambulance driver has, according to Stark, already been paid off and left town with a new identity.  Even Phyllis found that bit strange, asking why some rando guy was willing to give up his identity and leave everyone and everything behind.  Stark explained that the guy "didn't have any ties" and was by now "probably on some tropical beach".  

Maybe he's the lone Wisconsinite who doesn't like cheese.  The other EMT, Mr. Porn Stache, the guy who talked to Chance is the spitting image of about 3 guys who hung out at Junie's Bait Shack by the Wisconsin/Dubuque bridge when I was a kid.  Those guys liked cheese, though, I'm sure of it.

Where did Stark and/or Phyllis get all this money to set up those two yahoos, not to mention each other, with new lives?  I know she sold the  Glum Proboscis for a large sum and all, but any financial transactions she made before her death should be investigated.  What am I saying?  This is Genoa City.  Likely all financial transactions take place at the Bait Shack and the currency is nightcrawlers.

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A thought just popped into my head!  That hurts, by the way....

Wouldn't it be great if Phyllis' beloved sister, Easy Bake Avery showed up for the memorial?  Maybe she could do an impromptu baking session instead of a eulogy?  Funeral cupcakes, anyone?

Even better if she dragged along her and Phyllis' mother, the unseen Aryan from Darien who Phyllis ran away from back in the Pleistocene era.

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35 minutes ago, boes said:

A thought just popped into my head!  That hurts, by the way....

Wouldn't it be great if Phyllis' beloved sister, Easy Bake Avery showed up for the memorial?  Maybe she could do an impromptu baking session instead of a eulogy?  Funeral cupcakes, anyone?

Even better if she dragged along her and Phyllis' mother, the unseen Aryan from Darien who Phyllis ran away from back in the Pleistocene era.

Please.just.stop!!!!!

Off to the gym, will not watch, but will be back to read all the snark!

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I know the law is loosey goosey in GC but wasn't it just the other day Cricket was thinking of going back to being the DA? Now suddenly she is? Is this not an elected position? Someone still has to finish out their term. Unless they quit because the Blonde Goddess deemed it her job again.

 

Also, if Copperhead and JS got married only 3 days ago, did she write up a new will, get it notarized and submitted in that short amount of time?

 

Well, this is the same show that had Sharon's murder trial held in GC even though she "killed" Skye in Hawaii.

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7 minutes ago, One Tough Cookie said:

Please.just.stop!!!!!

Off to the gym, will not watch, but will be back to read all the snark!

Having just watched "The Fountainhead", possibly the worst written movie I've ever seen, the old phony Ayn Rand had nothing on the MWT! It was actually painful to see two great actors like Patricia Neal and Gary Cooper mouth that godawful dialogue. I'm going to have to pass on Show today-my hair hurts-besides, "When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth" is next on TCM-probably not much talking in that one. Of course, I've been wrong before. 🤦‍♀️

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Shoutout to WALDO:  I really appreciate the knowledge you have on many topics. We all know the show is full of shit but in so many cases you educate us on exactly full of shit it is. The most recent case in point being your explanation of MEs and how they have to ID the body and cause of death. Thank you!

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1 hour ago, MsMalin said:

Shoutout to WALDO:  I really appreciate the knowledge you have on many topics. We all know the show is full of shit but in so many cases you educate us on exactly full of shit it is. The most recent case in point being your explanation of MEs and how they have to ID the body and cause of death. Thank you!

Thank you for the kind words.  Most of my knowledge comes from life experiences and my thirst for knowledge. 

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is Show low-key shading Christine by giving her yet another case she'll get all wrong and either lose or win so stupidly that it will embarrass even an offscreen Paulie Tightpockets?

Seems to me Christine should have to recuse herself from this one and hand it off to an ADA. She admitted yesterday that she and Phyllis have some pretty rough history, including Phyllis trying to kill her. JG should take a class or two at Law & Order University because this was covered in L&O 101.

I caught a brief moment of today's show in passing. Please tell me they are not chem-testing Sally and Nate. Because WTAF, he is not the one to have four women circling him while fine a$$ Chance is single.

Speaking of Sally, guess she really likes this designer (AllSaints, based in the UK) and this look:

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The snakeskin print she wore yesterday and the leopard print, about a year ago.

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I would not be adverse to seeing a Sally/Nate pairing. Wait, let me explain!  First - it would make Victoria crazy; and possibly inadequate about her appeal. It would eliminate the stench of Sally/Nick. It would take Nate off the market.  They could agree to a temporary “marriage of convenience “ so we would not be subjected to Romantic Scenes for the duration of the pregnancy. Sally could go on bed rest to avoid suffocating herself and the baby with those tight tight outfits.Elena could move on to someone she deserves. Everybody, especially the viewers, win. For awhile, at least.

After the baby’s birth all bets are off - as long as Nick is out of the picture. An aside - I still think this entire storyline is horrendous and an insult to women. Sally has turned into a sad, pathetic creature. The Phyllis is dead/Diane Evil/Jack a sap storyline is dead to me. On arrival.

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Today's episode... was this one of the last efforts of the fired writers, or an example of JG going solo? Was Easter cancelled in GC because Saint Phyllis died, or they didn't renew all the kid actors' contracts? I am sorry, but for me, currently the only couple that seems capable of appearing believably romantic are Jack and Diane. Abby's legs come up to Devon's neck, and give a whole new meaning to the word belittling. I half expect Abby and Devon to be instructed by the omnipresent picture of Neil to do a remake of the "Uptown Girl" video, with Abby sashaying across the penthouse, while Devon twirls a microphone around her. Just as silly are Sharon and Chase. Sharon's face is as frozen as a coffee coolata, just put a cherry on top of her head. She looks too old to be anything but the cougar Chance can rebound with, until he can find someone that has moving facial  muscles. I did get a chuckle out of Victoria's Wonder Woman belt, but the possible pairing of her with Nate totally lacks chemistry. Nikki at least had her nose brought down a notch or two today while trying to exhibit an aura of grief, not sure if that was about Phyllis, or if like the rest of us, she senses her relationship with Grampire has run out of gas. Adam and Sally reminded me of all the hopes Adam has, that never seem to materialize into anything tangible. As Sally and everyone made their daily circuit of Society and Crimson Lights, I imagined hearing the set of the Chancellor Mansion being dismantled. I doubt Chance will be going there alone somehow. Where does he live anyway, the GCPD?  I mused about the overall population of GC, how many people could be living in a town with so few places to go to, that you end up running into the same people everytime you do? And how do these places stay in business, with 4-6 customers on any given day? They just lost 4 or 5 residents: Phyllis, the EMT, the 2 bodies they stole from the morgue, and possibly Stark! Never a crush of other customers, no one ever mopping a floor, or IT fixing someone's computer in an office. All these people sipping beverages, while waving empty forks at each other during meals. It's starting to look a bit like like a ghost town of neutered dipsomaniacs on "The Twilight Zone" to me.  

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Favorite part of today's show was Victor reminding Victoria she also was handed a company. He was referring to Newman Enterprises but I wish he had mentioned Brash & Sassy. Yes Victoria, your dad handing his Harvard Business educated son an established business is worse than him handing his barely out of high school daughter a brand new company.

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On 4/6/2023 at 2:30 PM, Runningwild said:

I was just telling my friend that Syphyllis has such a large ego, she’ll have to go to her own memorial to see and hear all the adoration and wailing. 

Didn't both Katherine and Victor attend their own funerals? Considering all of the recycling going on, I think you may have predicted what we'll have to endure next.

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5 hours ago, Bunnyto4 said:

Having just watched "The Fountainhead", possibly the worst written movie I've ever seen, the old phony Ayn Rand had nothing on the MWT!

Aaaah, Ayn Rand, the loner's favorite philosopher.

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20 hours ago, Waldo13 said:

The ME can’t rely on something that someone said that  it came from Crispy.

But wouldn't the vial have a label pasted on it that identified the patient the blood was drawn from, the date and time the blood was drawn, and name the EMT who drew the blood, and be sealed in a plastic bag that had a label pasted on it that provided the same information?

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Favorite part of today's show was Victor reminding Victoria she also was handed a company. He was referring to Newman Enterprises but I wish he had mentioned Brash & Sassy. Yes Victoria, your dad handing his Harvard Business educated son an established business is worse than him handing his barely out of high school daughter a brand new company.

Victoria Newman has a narcissist's arrogance, sense of entitlement and self-importance and preoccupation with power.  Oh and then there's lack of empathy and exploiting others for her own gain ..,.

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Adam hadn't heard ahout Phyllis' sudden demise. It would've been all over the GC morning news. Does he not watch TV,  or listen to the radio, or even check his phone for the latest happenings? Hmm.

Victoria was actually talking to Victor like he's a nobody and he was putting up with it. Whoa.

Lol, Little Unborn Baby Newman says, "Stop being such a pig, Mommy! There's not a lot of room in here! And gimme a break with the greasy stuff. Gah!"

Guess Lily got confused about what season it is. Her purple velour jacket read more like winter wear versus spring to me. Plus it was fugly.

Victor got dissed to his face by two of his kids today. What is happening?!??!!!

I'm confused, is Chance moving back into the Chancellor Mansion now that Abby's leaving it? Abby said she wanted to keep Dom's room the same for when he visits Chance there. Huh?

Victoria was feeling Nate out for info on how Phyllis' collapse affected him and Elena as doctors. But Nate was like, "Screw Phyllis. She's dead, I'm not, and Elena being Dr. Emo is not my problem here at work. Check out my side part, Vik!"

Real talk from Sally to Adam today. He seemed to be a bit surprised as how positive and helpful she was being toward him with her advice. Up until he said he and Sally had an unbreakable bond because of their child. <brakes screeching>

I see you, Sharon. You want some of Chance's joystick so bad you can taste it. 😏 Don't wear it out.

Indigestion means a baby will be born with a full head of hair. Was Sally being sarcastic or is that actually true of pregnancy?

Apparently Phyllis' "death" is going to be the catalyst for various people to come to new understandings about the direction of their lives. Meh, wait until they find out the nutbag's still breathing.

Re the previews: Daniel's daughter Lucy is coming back! Maybe she'll stick around this time. And meet Johnny Abbott.

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Sally: Nate. I don’t feel so good.

Nate: You need some new streaming options? Because I’m not a doctor anymore.

Sally: Something might be wrong with my baby. As an incubator, special maintenance is occasionally required. 

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Adam: The usual.

Sharon: Say what?

Adam: I’m trying to order coffee.

Sharon: I can’t seem to focus. After what happened, I just want to rent some confetti cannons, dance and try out some cartwheel. But… I’m worried that society will judge me.

Adam: Something happened? After the party, I went home and sniffed Scrubbin’ Bubbles to cleanse the image of Nick feeling up Sally.

Sharon: There’s no easy way to say this without smiling. Phyllis is dead.

Adam: No kidding. Got any of that vanilla biscotti today?

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Chance: There’s something weird about this whole Phyllis case that rubs me the wrong way. I just can’t put my finger on it. Especially my thumb, which is currently up my ass.

Abby: Chance, can I speak to you? I’ve got a lot of dumb shit to say.

Chance: That’s right up my alley.

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Victoria: I’m worried about Nick. He diddles anything that moves when he’s grieving. He’ll also tap inanimate objects if the pain is deep enough.

Nikki: Charm school was completely wasted on him.

Victoria: Summer must be devastated. I’ll really need to conserve my energy so I can pretend to care.

Nikki: She is quite composed, as a lady of fine breeding should be. Naturally, I assume she’s on the very cusp of derangement and am quite proud of her for stifling any unseemly histrionics.

Victoria: So I don’t have to visit her today?

Nikki: It would be best if you waited. Jack had a circle of salt placed around the manse. I fear it would do great harm to your and your father’s kind.

Victor: Life is for the living. And the undead. Did you extract any information from Tucker?

Victoria: No. He wouldn’t share the name of his turtleneck supplier.

Victor: Damn him. What about McCall Unlimited?

Victoria: Eh. I’ve lost interest.

Victor: I haven’t. I still own this company.

Victoria: I’m CEO. 

Victor: Because I handed you that chair. This is about Adam, not business. Why do you resist my efforts to reunite the family and force you to share your toys?

Victoria: I’ve got approximately 10 fucks left to give and Adam’s name ain’t on any of them.

Victor: It used to be fun to make you kids fight for my approval. Chess isn’t fulfilling when you can’t control your pawns.

Victoria: Buy it and give it to Adam. Just not under the Newman umbrella.

Victor: I want Adam to have his own accomplishments.

Victoria: Giving him a company isn’t an ‘Adam’ accomplishment. It’s rank nepotism. Coddling. Spoiling him. Oh god, I just heard myself.

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Abby: I’ll beat around the bush and take a painfully circuitous route to my point.

Chance: I expect nothing less.

Abby: Devon asked me and Dom to move in with him. I wanted to make sure you were cool with it.

Chance: You’re asking my opinion? WTF?

Abby: I thought it would be respectful to stop freeloading off your family and shack up with the guy I cheated on you with. I’m pretty sure Nina would like me to leave, if the real estate brochures she’s wallpapered my room with are any indication.

Chance: She also bought a neon Get the Fuck Out sign today, so I’d get to steppin’..

Abby: You can move back in. It’s your birthright.

Chance: Genoa City isn’t an aristocracy. It’s just a house.

Abby: How basic. Anyhoo, I’ll leave Dom’s stuff there for when he comes to visit. Hopefully he hasn’t inherited my tendency to forget his non-biological parent.

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Devon: Thanks for the coffee, Lily.

Lily: Not coffee, Devon. The cappuccino of compromise.

Devon: Right. How’s Daniel? 

Lily: He kept talking about all the ways Phyllis could have been saved. When he got to the asbestos helicopter, I knew he was delirious with fatigue..

Devon: Speaking of flammable stuff, let’s keep talking about Chancellor Winters.

Lily: I’m super nervous that we’ll start fighting again. What happens when your habit of crackling empty water bottles drives me to a psychotic break?

Devon: We just won’t let it happen. I’m telling you, that night in the lounge has changed my perspective. That picture of Dad, his favorite music playing, all those silver dresses reminding me of the briefcase of righteous justice…

Lily: It was like he was right there, telling us to knock it the fuck off.

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Nate: I thought you looked different at the gala. I just assumed it was the red-assed baboon on your arm.

Sally: I haven’t told a lot of people. I figure my skin tight outfits will do the talking.

Nate: So what’s bothering you?

Sally: My brain has turned into a pudding like substance. I get a little nauseous and feel some fluttery weirdness in my stomach. I’m so confused.

Nate: This is after you eat, right? Maybe after you’ve eaten too much?

Sally: Well… four waffles, an omelette, toast, french toast, three cinnamon rolls, maple brown sugar ice cream, sausage and pepper pizza, onion rings, pork rinds and a Snickers.

Nate: Well, I can’t ethically diagnose you, but I’m comfortable declaring that you’ve lost anywhere from 25 to 45 IQ points. Babies don’t stay still for nine months.

Sally: Oh, I get it! When I eat, so does the baby. If eating energizes me, it affects the baby the same way! Yay!

Nate: I’ll offer you three bits of advice. Chamomile tea is great for nausea. Eat frequent, but smaller meals. Finally, and again, I can’t diagnose you, but new studies indicate stupid is contagious. You need to dress in full hazmat around Nick.

Sally: Your bedside manner is wonderful.

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Adam: Phyllis. Gone in the blink of an eye.

Sharon: I wonder where that deer is now. Hopefully he’s being feted by his fellow Cervidae.

Adam: How’s Nick?

Sharon: Well, he’s pretty torn up. I was with him while the news rolled in. He got teary-eyed and blew his nose into my new clutch. I haven’t heard from him since.

Adam: He’ll be in touch. He has no concept of how gross it is to dump his toxic emo shit about Phyllis on you. Speaking of toxic assholes, I’ve been summoned.

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Devon: Losing people really puts shit into perspective, you know? Pretty original observation on my part, amirite.

Lily: It really does bring the cliches to the forefront. People will be talking like sympathy cards for at least a week.

Devon: Loss is hard. We’ve been through it. Neil, Hilary… the hole in your heart never quite goes away.

Lily: That second one was totally my bad.

Devon: I’ve invited Abby to move in. It’s what Neil would have wanted.

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Adam: Here I am, Lucy. Hold the football nice and steady.

Victor: You heard about Phyllis?

Adam: Yep. My fuck bank is overdrawn.

Victor: Your sister has decided to shitcan the McCall acquisition.

Adam: Override her.

Victor: She is the CEO, k? Undermining her would be bad.

Adam: Fire her ass.

Victor: We don’t go through her for McCall, alright? We go around her. She’s the size of a blade of grass, so it will take five seconds at most.

Adam: The football. You moved it. No. No, you dropkicked me through the goalposts of fate. You like Victoria more than me.

Victor: I resent you all equally.

Adam: Right. Well, Nick has my lady and Victoria has my career. Why don’t you give my car and Harvard degree to Abby?

Victor: Who?

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Sharon: I saw Abby talking and you standing there with your eyes glazed over. Is everything okay?

Chance: I don’t know. Abby’s moving into Devon’s place with Dominic. She inexplicably wanted to run it past me instead of just getting the fuck out of the house.

Sharon: So… you’re free. Free to let go of the anger and resentment I mean.

Chance: it might be a while before I get the image of Devon motorboating my wife off my retinas.

Sharon: I understand. I once caught Nick and Phyllis wearing banana costumes. If I may be completely full of shit for a minute, the loss of Rey and now the sudden passing of Phyllis really emphasizes how life is too short to hold grudges. Let it all go. Embrace your freedom.

Chance: I feel like I should be paying you for this therapy session. That was sarcasm, by the way.

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Sally: Oh, Adam. Where are you hurrying off to?

Adam: Nowhere. Everywhere. I dunno.

Sally: I’m just here for tea. Nate told me all about it. It involves pouring hot water over this funny little bag with a string.

Adam: …

Sally: If you’re not too busy going nowhere, I wouldn’t mind someone joining me on this beverage adventure.

Adam: Sure. How’s old fuckface?

Sally: Heartbroken. Depressed. Constipated.

Adam: Jealous?

Sally: No. They share a child. That creates an unbreakable bond. Summer is basically Gorilla Glue.

Adam: Nate turned you on to tea, huh? I think my sister would like to sample his teabags.

Sally: My tum tum felt funny.

Adam: Are you alright? Is it afternoon sickness? Yo, are you still taking those pre-natal vitamins? Why am I asking stuff that is none of my fucking business?

Sally: You do seem sore about something.

Adam: I thought I was moving towards something positive, a light at the end of the tunnel. Turns out it was Dad driving a train.

Sally: Wait. You thought something positive could come from Victor? Could Nate be right? Have you been tested for STUPVID-19?

Adam: He chose Victoria over me. Again. The crazy thing is that I thought he might choose me.

Sally: You don’t need Victor or McCall Unlimited. You only need yourself. You’re good enough, smart enough and gosh darn it people like you.

Adam: You always know the right thing to say. It would mean so much more if you didn’t blow the same smoke up Nick’s backside.

*******

Victoria: Please come in.

Nate: I’m excited to get balls deep in quarterly reports.

Victoria: I was very impressed with you and that chick rushing to help Phyllis after she fainted. It was… stimulating watching you play doctor.

Nate: Elena keeps asking herself if there was more she could have done. Me? I don’t give a damn.

Victoria: Speaking of putting things out of their misery, McCall is off the table. It’s just not a good investment for Newman.

Nate: Your instincts are always 1000% right. Now Devon can buy it if he wants.

Victoria: Everyone wins. May I share something off the record and a bit naughty?

Nate: I’m honored to be included in your inner circle.

Victoria: I’d love for you to be very, very deep in my circle. I lied to my father. I stopped pursuing McCall Unlimited purely to kick Adam in the jimmies. I’m really pleased with myself for coming up with the ultimate cock block.

Nate: Fucking over your family is the ultimate high.

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Abby: I’m moving in.

Devon: Wonderful.

Abby: Chance blessed our union.

Devon: For real?

Abby: His mom rented me a U-Haul. Sounds like a thumbs up to me.

Devon: I love you.

Abby: What a coincidence. I love you too. Can we turn the photo of Neil face down when we do it though?

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7 hours ago, Bunnyto4 said:

Having just watched "The Fountainhead", possibly the worst written movie I've ever seen, the old phony Ayn Rand had nothing on the MWT! It was actually painful to see two great actors like Patricia Neal and Gary Cooper mouth that godawful dialogue. I'm going to have to pass on Show today-my hair hurts-besides, "When Dinosaurs Ruled The Earth" is next on TCM-probably not much talking in that one. Of course, I've been wrong before. 🤦‍♀️

I tried to watch that  movie. Twice.  Gave  up and turned on Snapped, if I I recall.

I think I was supposed to read that in college, but IIRC I used the Cliff notes and promptly forgot about til I saw {and recorded it!} on TCM. What can I ell you, am no intlecetshul!

eta: @NinjaPenguins I think I am going to have to read your very detailed analysis tomorrow as I don't want to miss  a single  bon mot. !!

 

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26 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Indigestion means a baby will be born with a full head of hair. Was Sally being sarcastic

It's an old superstition. 

 

28 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

Daniel's daughter Lucy is coming back!

With her her family tree, she could be written to be a force of nature. I miss summer teen stories.

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38 minutes ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

I'm confused, is Chance moving back into the Chancellor Mansion now that Abby's leaving it? Abby said she wanted to keep Dom's room the same for when he visits Chance there. Huh?

I think it means that Baby Dom is getting his own place!  Bachelor pad for Baby - milk, cookies, and the purple dinosaur, 24/7!   

That was confusing, though.  Chance dismissed the importance of the Chancellor Mansion, but Abby seemed to overrule him as she bulldozed ahead with her plans.  Whenever someone starts a conversation with "I hate to bother you with this now", you just know that's exactly what they're gonna do.  

Today's episode seemed like it was written by one of those AI programs all the kids are talking about.  But it seemed like it must have been the Walmart discounted version, which came preloaded with "Trite sayings for all occasions".   Everyone seemed to have something blandly sentimental to say about the death of Mothra and how we should all hold each other tight.

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This is for Phyllis.  Also, this is what Katherine, Neil, Cassie, John Abbott and now Phyllis would have wanted.

How many times can we hear that Phyllis loved her kids?  Maybe one less time than we can hear that praying mantises love their mates until they tear their little heads off?  Both are true and in the same way.

Looks to me like Sharon is going to expand beyond providing emotional support to something more substantial.

Previews!!!  Phyllis' memorial!  Is Danny going to sing?  Will Jack make balloon animals?  Will Nick prank the congregation with whoopie cushions?  Will Stark make velour a mandated dress code?  Will Phyllis show up in dark glasses and a long dress because absolutely nobody will recognize her then!

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I wish that I never hear again people say “I know what you’re going through”. They are just being polite even if they have gone through it themselves.  Nobody knows exactly what the person is actually going through. The best thing to say is that they have sympathy for for what you are going through. Nobody has the right to tell you how to grieve. 

I know this is frowned upon and maybe illegal in today’s society but, if it was me, I would put the impetuous brat, Cruella, over my knee and give her a well deserved spanking. Cruella you are such a dumb hypocritical excuse for a human being. Cruella, didn’t Victor hand you NE.  What made you, an art history major, qualified to be a CEO. You could have never built NE from the ground up like Victor. You are the custodian of a multi billion dollar company that’s too big to fail. That’s why I thing the same thing about MU. If MU was consolidated into what it does best, there wouldn’t be any financial problems. 

I’m sorry to say this (not) but Sharon should never wear her hair pulled back. It makes her Botox treatments more obvious. The younger Adam has more wrinkles in his forehead than Sharon.  The same for Chance. 

Is Abby wearing her nightgown under her jacket?  Either that or she forgot to put a blouse on over her camisole.  Abby seems to be disappointed that Chance is not making a big deal out of her moving in with Devon. 

Can someone please tell me how Bowie is a Chancellor?  His last name is Chancellor but he doesn’t have any Chancellor DNA. Bowie’s DNA is not even truly Newman/Winters.  If you think about it, Tucker’s DNA is running through Bowies veins.  

Thanks to the monkeys with a keyboard for teasing us with another tête-à-tête between Adam and Sally. 

 

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8 minutes ago, boes said:

Is Danny going to sing?

He sang I Can't Help Falling in Love with You to Bug during their wedding. For Phyllis, it's You're the Devil in Disguise.

If Chance is nonchalant about the Chancellor mansion, Jill should come out and scream at him about how many times she had to fight that old battle ax over the mausoleum. 

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You guys realize that WE are being set up right? Because aint no way, no how that SyPh can stay away from GC. Nopers. She's gonna go back there, do a whole "It's a Wonderful Life" redux starring...Big Red Syphyllis. Then she's going to try to thwart Stark's plan by 'saving the day' and saving Diane from prison. And, and, and, my fucking head hurts just typing this shite out.

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Nikki, Summer dossn't need your help planning Phyllis' service because she has my help.  I've already ordered several bouquets of rolled up tube socks and I booked Kool and the Gang to perform "Celebration".  I also rented a dumpster that we can place the urn on.  Phyllis was all about class, and so am I.  

2 hours ago, boes said:

Previews!!!  Phyllis' memorial!  Is Danny going to sing?  Will Jack make balloon animals?  Will Nick prank the congregation with whoopie cushions?  Will Stark make velour a mandated dress code?  Will Phyllis show up in dark glasses and a long dress because absolutely nobody will recognize her then!

Remember when Phyllis dressed as a man and got herself arrested so she could go to jail and confront the guy who killed Damon Porter's child?  I'm not quite sure how she got past the strip search.  I thought she might try that again, but drag shows are verboten in so many places now, seeing as how they are responsible for all of society's ills and such.

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On 4/6/2023 at 5:59 PM, One Tough Cookie said:

@Waldo13, @NinjaPenguins

I am spent.

I am also really...insulted that the monkeys with typewriters think this story  line is interesting let alone suspenseful.  As another poster said, I am taking a break from the show but NOT the boards.  I couldn't start my day without you guys.

eta: this show has definitely, officially jumped the shark.

I'm right there with you. No way can I handle anyone deifying Phyllis.

Much love and appreciation to the rest of you for being able to stomach it and for your brilliant analyses!

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4 hours ago, Js Nana said:

But wouldn't the vial have a label pasted on it that identified the patient the blood was drawn from, the date and time the blood was drawn, and name the EMT who drew the blood, and be sealed in a plastic bag that had a label pasted on it that provided the same information?

Some hospital’s allow EMTs to draw blood to speed up the process for the Emergency Room Doctor to determine what could be wrong with the patient. The ambulance would then give the blood drawn directly to the emergency room attendant as the gurney is rolled in. The problem would be that there was an accident that was attended by police and firefighters who could have handled the blood sample. Thus there is no chain of evidence to insure that the blood sample is actually Crispy’s. With no chain of evidence, even if the toxicology shows poison, a good lawyer could argue that many people could have handled the blood sample before it got to the lab. 

The accident had to be staged because if Crispy got to the hospital then died, an autopsy had to be performed due to the suspicious nature of her death. Due to the accident and Crispy becoming Crispy, the identification of the body is paramount for the ME to identify the remans in order to ensure the dead persons is who it’s supposed to be. The ME, by law, is held responsible if they sign the death certificate who they do not know, for sure, that is the person who died.  Without a death certificate, Crispy’s will cannot be probated thus Stark doesn’t get half of Crispy’s money. 

 

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4 hours ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Sally: Wait. You thought something positive could come from Victor? Could Nate be right? Have you been tested for STUPVID-19?

OMFG! I now see the world in a brand new light.

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1 hour ago, Waldo13 said:

The problem would be that there was an accident that was attended by police and firefighters who could have handled the blood sample.

But I thought the blood sample had been placed in some kind of metal box in the ambulance prior to the accident, because if it hadn't been placed in some kind of a protective container, wouldn't it have been destroyed in the fire?

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