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4 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Ugh Willow, Sasha didn't do anything to you. She knows and told Cody because she saw you and Drew kissing. 

She also told Cody right after it happened.

Jason is the better twin and that's saying something.

Sam dying as a result of her surgery was certainly a choice on the writers' part. It's not like people aren't already scared of surgery.

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I like how they showed Sam's emergency sort of in the background of Jason, Scout, and Danny talking. That was interesting staging for a change.

I can't feel anything about Sam dying, though, because the story has been so stupidly and heavy-handedly written. I'd feel this way even if KeMo wasn't leaving—or if she were sticking around and the show wanted to have a Sam/Dante/Lulu triangle or whatever.

Poor Sam, getting shocked a zillion times. It can't be good for a person. This is why doctors don't work on family members. 

Dante sucks for not telling the kids before proposing to Sam. Of course Rocco is going to wonder about Lulu.

I loved Maxie's "I'm actually not sure what he's trying to do" when Cody was talking about Drew.

Stupid Drew for telling Willow not to tell Michael everything. He is such a terrible person.

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Just now, dubbel zout said:

Stupid Drew for telling Willow not to tell Michael everything. He is such a terrible person.

I'd like it if he came back to the mansion only to find his belongings outside. GH has a lot of bad men masquerading as good guys, but Drew somehow takes the cake because CM's version is soulless and vacuous gaslighting jackass. 

I feel sorry for Scout.

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Bringonthedrama

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14 minutes ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I wish Will and Drew would have slept together  Everyone freaking about two kisses (which is uncool obviously) is silly.  Now Micheal and Sasha will have to grovel for forgiveness, and I'd rather not see that.

I'm expecting that they will sleep together right after Drew finds out that Sam has died (he needs to be there for his sad, grief-stricken daughter, "we had a life together", etc). She made out with him when he was supposedly so sad about the Congressman's death (a guy he'd only known a few months), so imagine what the death of Drew's ex-wife/mother of his child will "inspire" in her. 

I'm positive Michael will not be groveling for forgiveness since he knows about the second kiss. He seems to have zero regrets about cheating and wants Willow and esp. Drew to get hurt. I'm wondering if he throws his ONS with Sasha in Willow's face and threatens divorce, she runs out in tears, finds Drew upset at hearing about Sam's death, cue grief sex.

Michael betrayed his "friendship" with Chase by sleeping with Chase's wife, Willow, and now has cheated on his wife Willow with his ex-girlfriend/her best friend. 

Willow has cheated on her husband Chase with Michael, is cheating on her husband Michael with his uncle, and has now been cheated on by her husband.

These two really deserve allll the Karma. Hope they - and Drew too - get some major public humiliation while he's running for office.

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Daisy

Daisy

lol this show is so stupid. 


Willow and Drew were eye-effing each other for months and all they did was kiss with a little tongue. again, Imma gonna stress, Drew didn't even touch her boobs. no one got quasi-naked. it wasn't "omg we HAVE TO STOP" just before they actually queued the "we're having sex" music. it was the lamest affair on soaps. (because even if we put it on Emotional Affair standards it was lameo potato).

Michael hears about a kiss - and his first reaction is to screw Sasha? 

I'm not about giving anyone any high road here, but he didn't talk to Willow or Drew, or figure it out or even go "okay did you WANT anything to happen." and then stretch it out... it was "Oh well my wife kissed my uncle, let me screw her best friend, deuces?"

Show, please. read a harlequin romance for goodness sakes. 

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I wasn't expecting this to be the day but they've started out sweeps with a bang. (No puns intended.)

Honestly, I don't care about Drew, Willow, Michael or even Cody right now. I do care a little about Sasha and am sorry she's likely to end up having a kid with Michael. I care about Nina too, because Drew danced around Cody spilling about Nina and Drew. 

I did get a little teary-eyed about Sam. I hate that she's dead dead. Dante and the kids finding out is going to be hard to watch. I second the hope that KeMo gets a fabulous second act after this.

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21 minutes ago, Daisy said:

Michael hears about a kiss - and his first reaction is to screw Sasha? 

Not even a soap first. ** On The Bold and the Beautiful, Steffy slept with her father-in-law after her husband confessed he kissed a girl when they were trapped under building rubble and thought they were going to die. Good times.  /s  🙂

** I'm sure it's happened before. That was just the last one I remember. Not a trope they should be perpetuating. 

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Daisy

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6 minutes ago, tessaray said:

Not even a soap first. ** On The Bold and the Beautiful, Steffy slept with her father-in-law after her husband confessed he kissed a girl when they were trapped under building rubble and thought they were going to die. Good times.  /s  🙂

 

lol yeah it's just such a.... crazy jump. like 
"I kissed someone."
"I AM SO MAD I AM GOING TO SLEEP WITH YOUR BEST FRIEND!!" even in soapy-world like how do you even get to that point? lol

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Daisy

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12 minutes ago, absnow54 said:

Michael’s indignation at Willow and Drew kissing a second time while wearing a bathrobe after drunkenly screwing Sasha was hilarious! WTF guys? Get dressed!

lol he didn't even know about the second kiss? geeze show

 

18 minutes ago, tessaray said:

The worst thing about Drew and Willow's story is that they'll probably never address why Willow was vulnerable to him or Drew's swinish behavior in general. 

honestly that's what bothers me the most. like i wanted this to go far (and have the sexybedtimes) - but i also wanted the show to finally address the fact that Willow hasn't addressed her history. 

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So Sam codes and NO ONE thinks to call Dante? And she doesn’t even get to say goodbye to her children?  Damn someone really hates KeMo! I’ve never been a real Sam fan. She had her moments but KeMo has been so low energy for so long that it was hard to really root for her. But I still say this was a really shitty way to let her go.

OTOH, it will be a great umbrella story and is likely to be the show’s Emmy reel for next year. My heart is just breaking for Danny and Scout, mostly because they’re stuck with Jason and Drew as fathers. Although I half expect Carly to step in and offer to raise Scout. I mean it’s the least she can do for her BFF, right? 🙄

12 minutes ago, Daisy said:

wanted the show to finally address the fact that Willow hasn't addressed her history. 

You really think anyone in the writers room even remembers? 🤣

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10 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Drew is Scout's dad, not Jason.  And Carly (and me) already forgot her ~romance with Drew.

Oops, you’re right! Okay so she’ll offer to help raise Danny! Although since Drew is Jason’s twin, that makes Scout his niece. And since Carly is all about claiming other people’s kids, I can still see her trying to grab Scout..

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Michael's such a drama queen! Banging your wife's best friend because she kissed someone else is like driving your car off a bridge because you don't like the song on the radio.  It's a hysterical overreaction, but Michael's a controlling douche so it's not surprising that this would send him off the rails. I mean look at the stellar examples of the coping skills possessed by the adults he was surrounded with when he was growing up, and that explains a lot of it right there. 

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StaceyNotStacie

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I hope the Qs don’t go easy on Drew because of Sam. At this point I’d like a Drew “whodunnit” and Jason taking over the raising of Scout so that she remains with Danny.

 

re Sasha and Michael - I’m guessing Sasha’s first bout of morning sickness will occur on Thanksgiving morning while prepping dinner for the Qs and they will have to order pizza because she took out the turkey in the process. 

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TVbitch

TVbitch

Kind of mean to make Kemo go through that protracted chest compression defib death scene after getting fired. 

Drug addict Sasha should not be drinking at all. And if Michael cared anything about her, he would not have joined her in getting drunk. 

At least if Brad and Lucas have "I killed my sister" sex, pregnancies are highly unlikely to result. 

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Bringonthedrama

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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

So Sam codes and NO ONE thinks to call Dante? And she doesn’t even get to say goodbye to her children?

Alexis said she was rushed out of the room.  Did she know/hear the code blue alert? She's worried/scared and Jason's there asking questions. She hasn't had a moment to herself to think about calling.

She got to have her last happy moments with her children right before the surgery. They were praising her for being a hero.  Scout was next to her on her bed, and Danny was sitting on the bed, in the hospital room during Sam's "my people" scene. Her last ILYs in the final group scene were between her, Danny and Scout before she got wheeled away for surgery. 

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3 hours ago, KittenPokerCheater said:

I wish Will and Drew would have slept together  Everyone freaking about two kisses (which is uncool obviously) is silly.  Now Micheal and Sasha will have to grovel for forgiveness, and I'd rather not see that.

Totally agree! I HATE that Micheal and Sasha had sex and wish his gross Uncle and Wife will claim some kinda moral high ground 

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1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

She had her moments but KeMo has been so low energy for so long that it was hard to really root for her.

I read recently that it hasn't been easy for her the past few years due to personal losses. That said, the show made sure they closed the door on Sam for good. There's zero chance the character is coming back and we've seen what's happened to the actors when they gave them twins. Those characters were very short-lived.

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Daisy

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1 minute ago, YaddaYadda said:

I read recently that it hasn't been easy for her the past few years due to personal losses. That said, the show made sure they closed the door on Sam for good. There's zero chance the character is coming back and we've seen what's happened to the actors when they gave them twins. Those characters were very short-lived.

yeah there was her hearing loss, the fire to her home and then Billy getting fired and the whole drama there. the killing her off was petty, they could have had her just walk off in the sunset

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I thought Kelly Monaco did a very good job in her final scene with Alexis.  I thought there was some nice nuance there in her eyes and a subtle change in her facial expression to indicate a physical discomfort.  It was as though the character knew something didn’t feel right physically.  I was never invested in Sam as I was on the barge for many long years during her time on the show.  But I was impressed with Kelly’s work the last 2 days. 

In other developments, it’s been a while since anyone mentioned Jagger’s murder? Is this how Sonny gets away with it? It’s forgotten about under the cloud of the Sasha is Holly and Robert’s daughter reveal?  Or is this how block is taping works?

 


 

 

 

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Disappointed in the tired soap trope that is the Drew/Willow/Michael/Sasha storyline.  I don't find any of them sympathetic for their involvement in the affairs, even if I am sympathetic with Sasha over her relationship with Cody---which plot is at least a little bit original, if also preposterous. 

I was glad KM's last exchanges were with NLG.  Actually wondered if NLG had demanded requested it, so she could be a supportive scene partner.  If the little one who plays Scout is up to it, we could have some legitimate emotional scenes coming up.

A rare unforced error by Dante not to realize that Rocco would have feelings about his dad marrying again, especially since they are all currently so caught up in saving his mother's life.  

I really like Maxie.  Wish I could see her eyes.  

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4 hours ago, Steph J said:

Sleeping with Michael? My God, hasn't Sasha suffered enough?

Sasha had somehow survived Michael's cursed penis and now she's gonna find herself the target of Death again. Or maybe it's Willow who should be worried. She's a daughter of Silas Clay and she is Michael's current wife. The odds are also against her.

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GHScorpiosRule

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I really did enjoy the scenes with Alexis and Sam.  BUT. Sam wasn’t revealed as Alexis’ daughter until she was already an adult. So that line about marriage and showing her a healthy marriage or whatever made me scratch my head. And while the past few relationships have been dumpster fires, her relationship with Ned was healthy.

Oh that was some real rich BULLSHIT coming out of the SLS’s mouth. Over kisses. Considering his own history of cheating with Willow, and Lauren.

And to repeat, Drew is GARBAGE. His wanting Willow to not tell her husband about that second kiss had NOTHING to do with sparing his nephew more pain, but about saving HIMSELF.

What was with Portia giggling like a school girl?

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4 hours ago, Daisy said:

honestly that's what bothers me the most. like i wanted this to go far (and have the sexybedtimes) - but i also wanted the show to finally address the fact that Willow hasn't addressed her history. 

But that would mean that Willow would have some sort of excuse and the show can't have that -- the entitled man child must be the only one right. Talk about over-reacting to hearing about a kiss, Mr. 'I banged my friend's wife and then stole her away'

Add me to the list of those feeling sorry for Scout and Danny, stuck with deadbeat dads. Although come to think of it, Dante, Mac and Robert seem to be the only decent fathers on the show now that Finn and Gregory are gone and Taggart is apparently living under a bridge.  Criminal Sonny doesn't count.

 

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Desperado

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3 hours ago, TVbitch said:

Kind of mean to make Kemo go through that protracted chest compression defib death scene after getting fired. 

Yes, especially since the death scenes lasted for 3/4 of the show.

GH got me to care more about Kelly and Sam over the past month than in the last 6yrs, for zero payoff.

Scout with Danny was lovely today. I’m not looking forward to seeing that child cry.

Poor NLG having to tell the wall Jason about her pain over 3 scenes where SB said absolutely nothing and gave her the most awkward pat on the back ever.

Why couldn’t he die forever and ever? (And I used to be a big fan.)

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FilmTVGeek80

FilmTVGeek80

27 minutes ago, Daisy said:

 

i saw that clip and i was like. my dude. at least try. 

That was sooooo pathetic. Like, I get that Alexis and Jason have had a prickly relationship in the past, but the way he slooooowly extended his arm made it seem like it took so much out of him to extend a little human kindness.

But, congrats to SBu, for working himself up to watery eyes today. Will he go the distance and actually shed a tear tomorrow?

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Bringonthedrama

Bringonthedrama

51 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Add me to the list of those feeling sorry for Scout and Danny, stuck with deadbeat dads. Although come to think of it, Dante, Mac and Robert seem to be the only decent fathers on the show now that Finn and Gregory are gone and Taggart is apparently living under a bridge.  Criminal Sonny doesn't count.

I think Ned is a decent father to his daughter BLQ and to Leo, and Spinelli is supposedly a decent father to Georgie (Mac seems to sort of approve) as well as Maxie's other kids. I don't count Robert at this point because Robin has been gone from the Show for more than a few years now and he's been "Sasha's father" for one scene so far.

4 minutes ago, FilmTVGeek80 said:

But, congrats to SBu, for working himself up to watery eyes today. Will he go the distance and actually shed a tear tomorrow?

Eh, he did the watery eyes also when Anna told him Britt was murdered, when Carly told him Bobbie died, and when Sam yelled at him (return scenes in March) about Danny. I think he may shed a tear or two when Danny is heartbroken over the loss of his mother.

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graight

As one of the few Cody fans here, I have to give him big props today.  His scenes with Maxie were very believable. He's the only one so far who's pegged Drew from the start.  Talking about punching "that smarmy son of a bitch right in his smug little face" was classic. And "some sleaze who's hiding behind a nice haircut and fancy coats" was perfect.  And talking about James' gummy-worm breath was too funny.  I like Cody!

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