Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[ciarra]

31 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

I commend Lois for wanting to make sure any money Sonny puts in a BLQ business is clean, but would any money coming from Sonny be clean? He didn't start out having any money. Any money he has now eventually flows back to dirty money.

Selina Wu is a major stockholder, so Deception is mobbed up already.

[dubbel zout]

37 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Pretty sure next week it will be revealed that Cates is the Zodiac killer. 

He'll pull of the mask he's been wearing all this time to reveal that he's really Julian Jerome, one of the original Port Charles goats.

30 minutes ago, Fellaway said:

my pathetic hope that Monica will sue him for wrongful death in killing AJ

Monica has been a spineless pushover for Jason for way too long for her to even consider suing him for anything. It's one of the things I've hated the most about what they've done to her. 

[DanaK]

Maxie not taking James to the hospital to get checked out is all kinds of wrong; the kid almost drowned

[Cheyanne11]

50 minutes ago, TVbitch said:

Pretty sure next week it will be revealed that Cates is the Zodiac killer. 

Or even worse...AJ!

For real, though, this is so bad.  Everyone gets sacrificed at the Sonny/Jason/Carly altar, story be damned. Carly had the hilarious line the other day of "the FBI doesn't care about Sonny, it's just you" and the audience isn't supposed to think she's an idiot, rather 'yes, yes,poor Sonny with mean, old John after him for no reason."  Jason literally threatens a man with death today and we're supposed to cheer him on.  Sonny laments not being able to kill his enemies without repercussions and we're meant to sympathize with him.  Ugh, fuck these writers.

 

[Lugal]

On 8/15/2024 at 3:35 PM, ljr said:

I don’t understand anything about Sonny giving money to deception. Deception doesn’t make money from makeup sales?  I don’t understand why no one in deception has no problem with Natalia working there.

On 8/15/2024 at 4:21 PM, dubbel zout said:

And since when do CFOs invest large amounts of cash into a business as a condition of employment?

They hire the woman who caused them a major PR kerfuffle, and who nearly destroyed her own daughter's career as the new CFO after she invests a large amount of money in the company.  Oh, and they take mafia money from a noted crime boss. Just another day in the moral inversion that is Port Charles.

I have to remind myself that this show lives in the Eternal Now. 

 

Edited August 16 by Lugal

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

1 hour ago, TVbitch said:

Pretty sure next week it will be revealed that Cates is the Zodiac killer. 

He'll pull of the mask he's been wearing all this time to reveal that he's really Julian Jerome, one of the original Port Charles goats.

Ava Jerome.  On stilts.

Or Nina.

[dkb]

Jason trying to be intimidating is hilarious. Why would anyone be scared of him, he's so lame.

Is he going to try to go back to his kids or it's back to the Sonny show for him again? Any growth on his part about leaving Sonny and being a better human being after missing all this time?

The Molly and Alexis scenes were great and the family stuff with the Scorpio/Jones/Cody was good too. 

TJ is really really looking awful with how he's acting. Pretty much confirmed that he and Molly are breaking up soon with the Stella and Curtis conversation.

 

 

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

12 minutes ago, dkb said:

Any growth on his part about leaving Sonny and being a better human being after missing all this time?

No because he didn’t leave Mooby. The FBI used Cujo’s recording of taking over the mob as leverage to turn him into an informant. But he never stopped being loyal to Mooby or his lapdog.

[Bringonthedrama]

3 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

Nothing really related to what’s going on, but Molly always referring to Robert as “DA Scorpio”

I get that Molly is grieving, but for FUCK’S SAKE, no one is coddling Kristina! She is the one who lost the baby she was carrying-FOR YOU AND your ASSHOLE of a partner.

Really Maxie? I would have grounded your idiot son with NO RIDING LESSONS with Cody, since his go to for not getting what he wants is to disobey you and run away.

I assumed she does that to remind me ... um I mean the audience... that Robert is still on the show and is working as DA off-screen. I don't think he's been on-screen in work capacity since that day he was in Anna's office in the spring talking about not wanting Robin mad at him because of Jason being in court (again).

That was an incorrect choice of words from Molly at a time when she's feeling angry, hurt, and resentful toward TJ, Sonny, Ava, Kristina, and a little bit toward her mother. Intellectually she understands that Kristina has been through terrible physical trauma and needs her family's, especially Alexis', love. Yet after seeing the Ava/Kristina fight photos, she just wants to be allowed to feel angry and vent to her mother without Alexis bringing Kristina's status/needs and fragility into it.  I think underneath it all, Molly also has unresolved feelings about herself - if she'd been able to get pregnant and carry a child to term, her relationship with TJ would be in a very different place (theoretically) and they would be excited for the birth instead of mourning a tragic loss. But Molly doesn't have the kind of strong, direct personality to say, "Hey Mom, can you please just be 100% invested in me in this moment and forget Kristina?!"

I totally agree with you that Maxie should have taken riding lessons away from her brat son since he has now run away twice because he was mad about not getting what we wanted. The fact that he told her he's okay with missing out on video games and ice cream shows her punishment is meaningless and he really doesn't care what she says. Maxie and James remind me Carly and Donna. The kid is old enough to know not to take pills that are "Daddy's" from a prescription bottle. Yet after scaring her parents and requiring an emergency procedure, she gets two popsicles and told she's not in trouble.   

For those of you who know the Mac/Felicia/Frisco history well, did Frisco ever give up his rights/did Mac ever legally adopt Maxie? I wondered today when James said Mom, Cody is your brother.  She has called him both Dad and Mac over the years. 

For those who know NY law, does TJ have any rights to the baby's remains, for a funeral? Yes he's the biological father, but as far as I know they never signed any kind of paperwork acknowledging that he has paternal rights. So legally speaking, is this comparable to Kristina getting pregnant in a clinic via a sperm donor?  

Edited August 17 by Bringonthedrama

[KittyQ]

I don't usually pay that much attention to the outfits worn on the show, but I noticed in the scene with Mac, Felicia, Sasha, and Cody that the men were both wearing blue and the women both had orange tops. It looked like a mirror image of both couples. I wondered if this was intentional, and if so, whether it meant that Cody / Sasha will be a long-term couple like Mac and Felicia.

[Tartlet]

I loved the new Jagger when he first arrived.  His contempt for Sonny and his truth telling bombs were glorious.  He’s also a very good actor who elevated every scene.  I still occasionally re-watch the scene where he and Anna had a few drinks and she opened her eyes what an awful  criminal Sonny is.  But now, with the old writers back on board, I can’t bring myself to watch any of Jagger’s scenes.  I HATE what they’ve done to the character.  I have such cringe for the way he’s being written. I can’t watch him being so pathetic and stupid.   

I really do mourn the lost potential now that Patrick Mulcahy has been fired and we’ve lost / are loosing his vision for a fresh storytelling and realistic human behaviour.  The retread that’s now in the works from the old writers is boring, lazy, repetitive, and a waste of time (for me) and some pretty talented actors / actresses (the ones who aren’t the writers’ pet favourites).

I hate this show now /again.  So very much.  
 

 

 

[Sake614]

51 minutes ago, KittyQ said:

I don't usually pay that much attention to the outfits worn on the show, but I noticed in the scene with Mac, Felicia, Sasha, and Cody that the men were both wearing blue and the women both had orange tops. It looked like a mirror image of both couples. I wondered if this was intentional, and if so, whether it meant that Cody / Sasha will be a long-term couple like Mac and Felicia.

I noticed the same. First I realized Felicia and Sasha were in orange, then Cody and Mac in blue. I don’t think it was a coincidence, but then we likely put more thought into these things than the costumers lol!

[dkb]

2 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No because he didn’t leave Mooby. The FBI used Cujo’s recording of taking over the mob as leverage to turn him into an informant. But he never stopped being loyal to Mooby or his lapdog.

Yes, sorry, your right.

I was just hoping that there would be some introspection on Jason's part about his life choices having led to being away from HIS family because of Carly/Sonny. And maybe he needs to focus on his kids instead of his friends.

The Sonny Jason stuff in these episodes could have been from any year before I stopped watching - it's literally the same thing. Their kids are just older, that's it.

 

[tessaray]

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

For those who know NY law, does TJ have any rights to the baby's remains, for a funeral? Yes he's the biological father, but as far as I know they never signed any kind of paperwork acknowledging that he has paternal rights. So legally speaking, is this comparable to Kristina getting pregnant in a clinic via a sperm donor?  

I don't know about NY specifically but in many places it would usually be what Kristina puts on the birth certificate. The parents give the info to the hospital and they file the birth certificate. But that's for a live birth. (So here, did the baby girl live briefly after the c-section? I'm not sure what happens if it wasn't a live birth.)

But the GH staff knows that TJ is the biological father as the procedure took place there, right? So I'm sure they are fine with TJ filling out the paper work, since he would be the father listed  somewhere in the records. 

Note: the baby wasn't Baby Girl Lansing-Ashford though. That is what Stella said, I thought.

Edited August 17 by tessaray

[Bringonthedrama]

35 minutes ago, tessaray said:

But that's for a live birth. (So here, did the baby girl live briefly after the c-section? I'm not sure what happens if it wasn't a live birth.)

Note: the baby wasn't Baby Girl Lansing-Ashford though. That is what Stella said, I thought.

Molly read part of the autopsy report aloud to Ava; the report indicated the baby died of internal bleeding from blunt force trauma, shortly after the c-section.

You're right about what Stella said. I think she made an assumption. The baby's name should actually be Davis-Ashford, for Molly and Kristina.

 

[GHScorpiosRule]

2 hours ago, dkb said:

I was just hoping that there would be some introspection on Jason's part about his life choices having led to being away from HIS family because of Carly/Sonny. And maybe he needs to focus on his kids instead of his friends.

Nope. It’s been clear he made the choice to save Cujo and didn’t give a fuck about his own children.

[Daisy]

All i know is, if I ran away because i didn't get away, and almost drowned, 'no video games & ice cream" would be the least of my problems. 

[Cheyanne11]

the show seems to think boys running away is 'cute.'  they did it with Michael back in the day and I'm sure the countdown is on for Wiley to take off.  

[Lugal]

16 hours ago, dkb said:

Jason trying to be intimidating is hilarious. Why would anyone be scared of him, he's so lame.

C'mon! Jason's like the Terminator...if he wasn't a robot, wasn't from the future, didn't have any special abilities, kinda let himself go a little, and wasn't as good an actor as Arnold.

In all seriousness though, if only there was a good actor who played a long-term character on the show, who could be convincingly threatening...

Oh well, who knows, maybe they'll find someone someday.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Cheyanne11 said:

the show seems to think boys running away is 'cute.'  they did it with Michael back in the day and I'm sure the countdown is on for Wiley to take off.  

the thing is. he's clearly old enough to use his words. talk to his grandpa, and ask why. it just drives me nuts how everyone is pissed off at Mac for being mad (rightfully so) at someone who lied to him for a year because he thought he was entitled to a fortune/legacy that wasn't even his and committed fraud. cool beans that he kinda redeemed himself in the sense that it "doesn't matter" but that doesn't change the fact that he lied. Family is everything to Mac. How Felicia/Maxie doesn't see that from his POV and why he wants to protect his family from someone wo could still be playing him is so crazy.

but they are treating him like the bad guy and James just legit gets a chinzy time out and it's awww so cute.

it ain't. 

[dubbel zout]

16 hours ago, dkb said:

TJ is really really looking awful with how he's acting. Pretty much confirmed that he and Molly are breaking up soon with the Stella and Curtis conversation.

I hate that the breakup is going to be framed more as "we knew this was coming; they never argued before" rather than the stress of trying to have a baby via two different surrogates, losing both of those babies, and not having the proper conversations about any of it. It was all so sudden. Both TJ and Molly aren't even 30, so it's not as if there was any great need to have the baby immediately.

15 hours ago, Tartlet said:

he and Anna had a few drinks and she opened her eyes what an awful  criminal Sonny is.

Anna has always knows what an awful criminal Sonny is, but she's turned a blind eye because of Robin's fondness for him. It's so stupid people are never allowed to hold more than one opinion. Sonny loves his kids so therefore he can't be a terrible person. Yes, he can! Sonny gives away a lot of money to various charities so he can't be at terrible person. Yes, he can! Good grief.

Just now, Daisy said:

it just drives me nuts how everyone is pissed off at Mac for being mad (rightfully so) at someone who lied to him for a year because he thought he was entitled to a fortune/legacy that wasn't even his and committed fraud.

I don't think people are mad at Mac for being angry with Cody, they're mad because he's stomping his feet and pouting about it. He hadn't tried to talk to Cody after the reveal on July 4, instead going out of his way to avoid Cody and ban his grandson from doing one of his favorite activities. At least all of that is done and the story can move forward.

[Daisy]

Just now, dubbel zout said:

I don't think people are mad at Mac for being angry with Cody, they're mad because he's stomping his feet and pouting about it. He hadn't tried to talk to Cody after the reveal on July 4, instead going out of his way to avoid Cody and ban his grandson from doing one of his favorite activities. At least all of that is done and the story can move forward.

but that's sort of my point. I think he is still allowed to pout about it a bit more. if he can't ride at the Q's - why can't he ride else where? (LOL did Monica's Daycare open up a Riding camp?

but seriously thanks for the correct.

 

2 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate that the breakup is going to be framed more as "we knew this was coming; they never argued before" rather than the stress of trying to have a baby via two different surrogates, losing both of those babies, and not having the proper conversations about any of it. It was all so sudden. Both TJ and Molly aren't even 30, so it's not as if there was any great need to have the baby immediately.

that's the annoying bit. I sort of see it from Molly's pov. I think for a lot of people when you are told you can't have something. even if you never wanted one - your brain goes. "well okay let's just!...." etc etc etc. my big issue with this entire storyline is that they never even really addressed the endo at all. Endo sucks. she's got such bad endo - sex with TJ is painful (but she - like a lot of women - sucked it up because that's just life). and she's full of scarring she can't carry a baby. i truthfully don't know if that would put me into hyper baby drive. When i had my ovarian issues - my "wanting to have babies" days were over but if it happened when i still had an opportunity to have one or two, it would make me kinda wistful, I think so on that end I sort of see Molly's pov there. and she can get driven 

the show just went straight to Babies vs. her dealing with an illness that sucks monkey butt. and other than TJ's  but other than TJ's first "you should have told me that I was hurting you." thing (which - it's still NOT about you, TJ). have they even talked about the Endo at all? like. a little effort show. a little effort wouldn't kill you. 

[Cheyanne11]

20 minutes ago, Daisy said:

but that's sort of my point. I think he is still allowed to pout about it a bit more. if he can't ride at the Q's - why can't he ride else where? (LOL did Monica's Daycare open up a Riding camp?

But why does Mac get to make that decision about James?  I don't really care how mad he is, not without cause, but that wasn't his call and Maxie should've shut that shit down immediately.  

[Bringonthedrama]

44 minutes ago, Daisy said:

the thing is. he's clearly old enough to use his words. talk to his grandpa, and ask why. it just drives me nuts how everyone is pissed off at Mac for being mad (rightfully so) at someone who lied to him for a year because he thought he was entitled to a fortune/legacy that wasn't even his and committed fraud. cool beans that he kinda redeemed himself in the sense that it "doesn't matter" but that doesn't change the fact that he lied. Family is everything to Mac. How Felicia/Maxie doesn't see that from his POV and why he wants to protect his family from someone wo could still be playing him is so crazy.

but they are treating him like the bad guy and James just legit gets a chinzy time out and it's awww so cute.

it ain't. 

Seriously. It was the same when child (NB) Spencer ran away.

I think Felicia and Maxie did understand why he was angry, but they wanted him to get over it immediately because it was inconvenient to the comfortable bond/relationship that Maxie and her kids, especially James, had developed with Cody while Mac was out of town. Maxie lives with the grief that James doesn't have Nathan in his life; Cody is the only male adult in his life he's really attached to other than Grandpa Mac. Maxie has also said the only "leverage" she has over James is the riding lessons with Cody, so clearly she's having problems parenting with only her eldest child's father as a supporter. Felicia and Maxie believe Cody is trustworthy from what they've seen of him, so they want Mac onboard with their POV. 

I too was irritated that Mac was apologizing that because of his anger toward Cody, James got hurt. No, James got hurt because he's a brat determined to get his way, regardless of what his mom says or if his family is worried about him. Hiding in the boathouse when he heard Willow and Aunt Nina's voices was a deliberate act. Nina was there with the rest of his family when he ran away.

He should lose out on months of riding lessons.  

 

Edited August 17 by Bringonthedrama

[YaddaYadda]

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

the show seems to think boys running away is 'cute.'  they did it with Michael back in the day and I'm sure the countdown is on for Wiley to take off.  

James is an overindulged twerp. Just like Michael and Spencer before him. None of them were/are cute. They were/are total brats.

The sort of terrible thing is that these are the boys who get the focus. Not Elizabeth's sons who are well behaved, or even Danny who seems to be more middle of the road. Nope, the next generation of boys is going to be James and Wylie, probably fighting over Violet.

Heaven help us.

Edited August 17 by YaddaYadda

[Daisy]

34 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

But why does Mac get to make that decision about James? 

to be honest with you - until i read your statement, i thought Mac said I'd like it if X and Maxie did it while not agreeing with it. (not thinking it would be 6 weeks non cave)

[Bringonthedrama]

On 7/24/2024 at 4:30 PM, dubbel zout said:

I really wish his sons were around to hear Jason say that. It's disgusting, and maybe it would be the thing that made them write Jason out of their lives for good. He's a worthless piece of trash. His tearful phone call to Danny doesn't change that. Is he just going to ignore his other son? What an asshole.

I got the impression Jake already has more or less written Jason off. He awkwardly accepted the money for school in Barcelona and is excited about his future. The only time he has reached out to Jason was when he was concerned about his mom having back up regarding Finn. Jason invited him to a baseball game, and he accepted. HW has not played it like Jake is yearning to spend time with his dad, the way Danny has been written. 

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I hate that the breakup is going to be framed more as "we knew this was coming; they never argued before" rather than the stress of trying to have a baby via two different surrogates, losing both of those babies, and not having the proper conversations about any of it. It was all so sudden. Both TJ and Molly aren't even 30, so it's not as if there was any great need to have the baby immediately.

Maybe they've never argued before because they don't communicate a lot; it's well-noted they're both workaholics. Their communication problems date back at least to Molly acknowledging that sex with TJ was painful for her and he had no idea. There isn't a need for them to have a baby immediately, but they appear to treat this with a goal-oriented/achievement mindset like they have for everything else they've each set out accomplish in life.  It's absurd because neither one of them had ever expressed eagerness to be a parent before.  

1 hour ago, Daisy said:

that's the annoying bit. I sort of see it from Molly's pov. I think for a lot of people when you are told you can't have something. even if you never wanted one - your brain goes. "well okay let's just!...." etc etc etc. my big issue with this entire storyline is that they never even really addressed the endo at all. Endo sucks. she's got such bad endo - sex with TJ is painful (but she - like a lot of women - sucked it up because that's just life). and she's full of scarring she can't carry a baby.

  but other than TJ's first "you should have told me that I was hurting you." thing (which - it's still NOT about you, TJ). have they even talked about the Endo at all? like. a little effort show. a little effort wouldn't kill you. 

I agree that it's very likely that some of Molly's sudden desire for parenthood came out of a reaction to being told she can't have a pregnancy. But they also wouldn't be the first couple to decide to have a baby out of a desire to "fix" or glaze over undefined problems in the relationship. They had been together at least five years at the time that TJ proposed and had no idea that Molly didn't want to have the title/label "wife." They agree to become "domestic partners" and then within the last year, Molly is diagnosed with endo. TJ had no idea she was suffering. Neither of them knew whether each other wanted a family; their own families had to tell them to talk to each other. Once TJ "agreed" to the surrogacy, he became controlling of Kristina but also Molly. He would ask her why she wasn't answering the phone when he called her office and then was displeased at the idea of Molly going for a walk (near the pier?) alone/without him. 

This has not been a healthy, open communication relationship. Their problems pre-date both surrogacies. 

[dubbel zout]

3 hours ago, YaddaYadda said:

James is an overindulged twerp. Just like Michael and Spencer before him. None of them were/are cute. They were/are total brats.

Add Wiley to that list.

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Molly is diagnosed with endo. TJ had no idea she was suffering.

To be fair, Molly didn't know she had endo before the diagnosis, and we don't know if she'd seen a gyn about the painful sex before that. (Meaning any exams before then weren't specifically looking for endo, which is notoriously overlooked and can be hard to diagnose.)

2 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

This has not been a healthy, open communication relationship. Their problems pre-date both surrogacies. 

A relationship we saw next to nothing of until the domestic-partner thing—and then they disappeared until the baby rabies. The show skips giant swathes of their lives, yet we have to watch Carly have her umpteenth discussion with Joss about Joss's wooden log of a boyfriend.

[jsbt]

Molly and T.J. have both been surplus to requirements to the show for ages. They both can go. I am fine with lawyer Molly returning single and recast (or even with a recovered Haley Pullos after she's paid her now pretty considerable debt to society) in a few years. I just can't invest in them anymore and this whole surrogacy story has been a time-waster from the jump, the kind GH and/or the network loves to embroil characters in to kill endless months, fill guarantees and neuter LGBT characters.

Edited August 17 by jsbt

[JMO]

Wow, tough crowd here.  I don't see issues with any of the GH kids except Charlotte, who is carrying a boatload of trauma without a stable support system.  The rest are being as normal as kids can ever be on a soap, with newbie actors portraying them.  

Yes, James disobeyed his mother.  That wasn't surprising, because Maxie broke a fundamental principle of parenting---honesty.  Kids are smarter than many people realize, and they know when they are being lied to, even by omission. Parents should always be sure they have a good, legitimate reason for whatever decisions they make, and then be prepared to explain those reasons to the child.  Maxie didn't have a good reason, and both she and James knew it.  

I actually think the kid is cute, and I see some flashes of real acting ability from time to time.  I'd like to see where he can take it.  

[tveyeonyou]

20 hours ago, KittyQ said:

I don't usually pay that much attention to the outfits worn on the show, but I noticed in the scene with Mac, Felicia, Sasha, and Cody that the men were both wearing blue and the women both had orange tops. It looked like a mirror image of both couples. I wondered if this was intentional, and if so, whether it meant that Cody / Sasha will be a long-term couple like Mac and Felicia.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who noticed that! I'm not the biggest fan of Cody but I'm beginning to like him a little more because he's not in the Sonny/Jason/Carly circle of losers who never pay. I think it was backgammon with Tracey that made him more tolerable. 

Now may we please know what the Cody/Dante past secret is? 

[dubbel zout]

14 minutes ago, tveyeonyou said:

Now may we please know what the Cody/Dante past secret is? 

It was a lame attempt to give Cody some tie to the canvas, because everyone has to be related or know someone. As if it makes any difference. The show usually ignores the tie after the initial introduction, so I don't know why they think I should care. News flash, Show: I NEVER CARED.

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

Wow, tough crowd here.  I don't see issues with any of the GH kids except Charlotte, who is carrying a boatload of trauma without a stable support system.  The rest are being as normal as kids can ever be on a soap, with newbie actors portraying them.  

Yes, James disobeyed his mother.  That wasn't surprising, because Maxie broke a fundamental principle of parenting---honesty.  Kids are smarter than many people realize, and they know when they are being lied to, even by omission. Parents should always be sure they have a good, legitimate reason for whatever decisions they make, and then be prepared to explain those reasons to the child.  Maxie didn't have a good reason, and both she and James knew it.  

If James disobeyed his mother about say, taking something of her outside the house that she didn't want outside, that's one thing. But this brat has now deliberately gone missing twice. He could have died in the pond if Cody hadn't come along. Or he could have been kidnapped and murdered by a pedophile between the park and the Quartermaine property. It happens alll the time in the real world. His mother not being honest in no way excuses what he has done.  Maxie, as the parent, is not required to give a 6-year-old a reason he finds acceptable. "Unfair" things happen all the time in life. What gets me is, this brat didn't have riding lessons taken away period - he just couldn't have them with Cody. What if Maxie had discovered Cody had been fired in the past for suspicious events involving children? She would have every right to keep her kid away from Cody and not explain. But even if she had said she's not sure can trust Cody, since James has had experiences that have him feeling Cody is cool and trustworthy, he wouldn't care what his mother says.

[jsbt]

I can't stand most of the GH kids under 14-15 and barely can keep track of them, but James has been made a bit more tolerable to me of late via his proximity to Cody and Tracy. He's still no actor though. Still, he's far from the worst: Wiley is the true heir to the OLTL Matthew Buchanan paste eater throne, which Matthew wore with pride as the Ralph Wiggum of ABC Daytime (literally laying in a winding mountain road because Starr told him to to block a prison transport!) until Eddie Alderson got older, learned to act and astonishingly became the best young lead on the show. You never know!

4 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

Now may we please know what the Cody/Dante past secret is? 

Gay stuff.

Edited August 18 by jsbt

[Mirabelle]

I also figured a fling or they killed someone. 

[ciarra]

47 minutes ago, jsbt said:

5 hours ago, tveyeonyou said:

Now may we please know what the Cody/Dante past secret is? 

Gay stuff.

They once dressed up as Sandy and Danny and sang "Summer Nights" at camp.

[graight]

Why did the writers name the pharmacist after the man who wrote 'Twas the Night Before Christmas? 

https://www.twasthenightbeforechristmas.com/clement-c-moore/

[JMO]

15 hours ago, Bringonthedrama said:

If James disobeyed his mother about say, taking something of her outside the house that she didn't want outside, that's one thing. But this brat has now deliberately gone missing twice. He could have died in the pond if Cody hadn't come along. Or he could have been kidnapped and murdered by a pedophile between the park and the Quartermaine property. It happens alll the time in the real world. His mother not being honest in no way excuses what he has done.  Maxie, as the parent, is not required to give a 6-year-old a reason he finds acceptable. "Unfair" things happen all the time in life. What gets me is, this brat didn't have riding lessons taken away period - he just couldn't have them with Cody. What if Maxie had discovered Cody had been fired in the past for suspicious events involving children? She would have every right to keep her kid away from Cody and not explain. But even if she had said she's not sure can trust Cody, since James has had experiences that have him feeling Cody is cool and trustworthy, he wouldn't care what his mother says.

I don't know.  Forty plus years of working with children and families, including those victimized by family, family friends and strangers, tells me otherwise.  I won't go into a long thing about it, because we're already off topic.  But I have only ever looked at kids like James as struggling, and not as brats, and have only ever seen them get better when a supportive adult helped them.  Perhaps your experience has been different.

[KittyQ]

4 hours ago, graight said:

Why did the writers name the pharmacist after the man who wrote 'Twas the Night Before Christmas? 

https://www.twasthenightbeforechristmas.com/clement-c-moore/

I noticed that! Perhaps the writers were having a bit of fun with the name of a temporary character. I wonder who else might show up eventually? I have some ideas: Martha Canary aka Calamity Jane, Thomas Lawrence aka Lawrence of Arabia, Eric Blair aka George Orwell. It could be an interesting game.

[GHScorpiosRule]

1 hour ago, JMO said:

But I have only ever looked at kids like James as struggling, and not as brats, and have only ever seen them get better when a supportive adult helped them.

I don’t see him as struggling at all. Just acting out when he doesn’t get his own way. He does have a healthy family support system from his mom to Mac and Felicia, and before he showed up full time onscreen, his other grandmother, Liesl. He wants what he wants when he wants it. And Maxie rewards him for it. Just as Cujo rewarded Donna with ice cream for taking Mooby’s pills because she didn’t want to share them. And just like Wiley. NONE of this happened with Lucky, Emily, or Robin. Wee Cameron, was a fire starter! 🤣 Though I don’t know if Elizabeth ever discovered that. Wee Spencer was an entitled brat, and recast wee Cameron a non entity.

James just SAT there and hid, eavesdropping on his aunt Nina and Willow talking. What was his plan? Then the idiotic reaching for a frisbee OBVIOUSLY out of reach, for plot point near drowning.

So no, no sympathy from me for this kid.

[Nique]

On 8/17/2024 at 1:15 PM, Bringonthedrama said:

Seriously. It was the same when child (NB) Spencer ran away.

I think Felicia and Maxie did understand why he was angry, but they wanted him to get over it immediately because it was inconvenient to the comfortable bond/relationship that Maxie and her kids, especially James, had developed with Cody while Mac was out of town. Maxie lives with the grief that James doesn't have Nathan in his life; Cody is the only male adult in his life he's really attached to other than Grandpa Mac. Maxie has also said the only "leverage" she has over James is the riding lessons with Cody, so clearly she's having problems parenting with only her eldest child's father as a supporter. Felicia and Maxie believe Cody is trustworthy from what they've seen of him, so they want Mac onboard with their POV. 

I too was irritated that Mac was apologizing that because of his anger toward Cody, James got hurt. No, James got hurt because he's a brat determined to get his way, regardless of what his mom says or if his family is worried about him. Hiding in the boathouse when he heard Willow and Aunt Nina's voices was a deliberate act. Nina was there with the rest of his family when he ran away.

He should lose out on months of riding lessons.  

 

If that is the case James is acting out cause he doesn't have a father then GH should actually do a story addressing that with his mom, grandparents, Georgie and Nina. Losing the love of your life, soulmate as he died saving her & their baby would fuck anyone up esp cause she already lives with survivors guilt. Which is why she & James need therapy cause she can't spend the rest of her life operating from a place of guilt, when it comes to parenting James it's not healthy & quite dangerous cause he doesn't any boundaries. Despite me not liking Cody I completely understand why James being fatherless latched on to him. Mac is his grandpa and Spin is a whole ass manchild clown who couldn't parent a pet rock and no one with sense would look up to him. I don't like GH using my Naxie baby to be a glorified prop for Cody. Every time he is on its Cody this Cody that instead of doing all this address the underlying issues with James & his mom. Unless you're a pet this show does the absolute least when it comes to family issues.

I totally agree with you about this Mac/Cody mess. It's sad the only reason Mac is a bio dad is cause FV pet needed a job. This show ain't thought about him being a biological father or him period till JK text FV for a job which he didn't even need. Mac had 4 days of airtime though I could swear he was on a couple other days and it was all tied to the Cody reveal.

This show constantly robs Maxie of moments particularly defining moments she should be having with her kids. Like we should have seen her taking Georgie to big Georgie grave her namesake telling her about her. Same with BJ

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6 minutes ago, Nique said:

Mac had 4 days of airtime though I could swear he was on a couple other days and it was all tied to the Cody reveal.

I think that’s due to John J. York’s health. He’s just returned from bone marrow transplant, I think? I can’t remember what else he had to undergo. Just glad he is back.

[dubbel zout]

25 minutes ago, Nique said:

If that is the case James is acting out cause he doesn't have a father

He has complained at least twice about living with all women, which is one reason he glommed onto Cody, especially while Mac was on his sekrit trip (aka JJY's medical leave).

But tough beans, kid. Your life is pretty good. If living with three women and Spinelli is your biggest gripe, suck it up.

28 minutes ago, Nique said:

It's sad the only reason Mac is a bio dad is cause FV pet needed a job.

And Mac doesn't need to be a bio dad. It's even worse because said kid is male. Oh, Mac has said raising Georgie and Maxie was the best thing he'd ever done and he didn't regret a minute of it, but the show tells me otherwise by giving Mac a male bio kid.

[GHScorpiosRule]

I’m on Mac’s side regarding his anger toward Cody. And Felicia can miss me with her bringing up Mac’s past, because Robert and everyone else weren’t expected to and didn’t welcome him with open arms/all is forgiven immediately  or within a month. Which is what Maxie and Felicia have demanded Mac do with Cody.

[dubbel zout]

An estranged brother isn't the same as an unknown son. Once Cody admitted he was Mac's son, he confessed to everything else about the lie and was remorseful. Mac ignored Cody for weeks. He deserved a "snap out of it!" from Felicia. When was he going to be a grownup and start using his words? All he had to do was tell Cody he needed some time to process everything, but instead Mac stomped his feet and took out his anger on his dumbo grandson. His 8-year-old dumbo grandson.

Edited August 18 by dubbel zout

[JMO]

1 hour ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

I don’t see him as struggling at all. Just acting out when he doesn’t get his own way. He does have a healthy family support system from his mom to Mac and Felicia, and before he showed up full time onscreen, his other grandmother, Liesl. He wants what he wants when he wants it. And Maxie rewards him for it. Just as Cujo rewarded Donna with ice cream for taking Mooby’s pills because she didn’t want to share them. And just like Wiley. NONE of this happened with Lucky, Emily, or Robin. Wee Cameron, was a fire starter! 🤣 Though I don’t know if Elizabeth ever discovered that. Wee Spencer was an entitled brat, and recast wee Cameron a non entity.

James just SAT there and hid, eavesdropping on his aunt Nina and Willow talking. What was his plan? Then the idiotic reaching for a frisbee OBVIOUSLY out of reach, for plot point near drowning.

So no, no sympathy from me for this kid.

I think both Lucky and Emily came on to the show at somewhat older ages, maybe 10-12?  But young Robin's running away actually launched the whole Asian Quarter storyline.

Re: James and overhearing.  Do you have a thought about what he should have done?  To my mind, most kids of that age would have simply wished to go undetected, as did James, because they would have had absolutely no idea what to do.  Planning ahead isn't a forte at that age. 

No worries about not having sympathy for James.  It's a TV show, and he isn't a real kid, and it's very likely that each of us has a different basis for forming an opinion, so it's to be expected that we would see things quite differently.

[Cheyanne11]

I mean, look, if I had to live with Spinelli I'd be running away, too.

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11 minutes ago, Cheyanne11 said:

I mean, look, if I had to live with Spinelli I'd be running away, too.

Tru Dat.

[nilyank]

So I imagine with the switch in writers, they have completely dropped Sonny bankrolling a record company which Brook Lynn will run with Lois worrying to Sonny bankrolling Deception which Brooklyn helps run with Lois worrying.

[ciarra]

Guesses on when and to whom James will blab what he overheard of the Willow/Nina conversation?