Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[dubbel zout]

1 minute ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

A month or two ago, she brought up that fact and said that in light of what's happened with Drillow she made a mistake getting Willow and Michael together and wishes she hadn't.

Given that the marriage was arranged for custody in the first place, Sasha shouldn't be too surprised that's the reason it's collapsed.

3 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

I don't know what that means, and Googling "tock" "baby" didn't help.

On soaps, they often alternate babies who survives (the "tick") and ones who doesn't (the "tock").

I'm so sick of babies on this fakakta show that I don't care if it's Sasha's offspring who dies. Tough shit that she's tragedy-prone.

[Daisy]

13 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

I don't know what that means, and Googling "tock" "baby" didn't help.

 

In soaps babies are known as Tick/Tocks. 
Ticks = they live
Tocks = they die. 

 

14 minutes ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

Children, plural. The fact they only ever mention Aiden in that context since Lucky's come back is irritating. Lucky was always portrayed as being a father to Jake regardless of biology.

And Cam. he adored that boy but then again. Biology Rules all

 

28 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I know for production/taping reasons why Lois and Gloria are in the Q mansion, but it's ridiculous when all they do is rag on how terrible the Qs are.  It's so idiotic. I wish someone would kick them both out. Olivia isn't much better, but at least she's married to a Q.

my big time secret hope (so you know I'm wishing for a unicorn here) is that when they write in Monica's death she leaves the house to AJ's daughter, and she comes in and drops in some major truth bombs ala Sam circa 2008 when she gave zero poops about Jason, Sonny OR Carly, and tells them it's her house that her grandmother gave her and anyone who is connected to Sonny, justifies his killing of AJ, or thinks the Q's sucks can leave because she's not having it. THEN drop the bomb that She hates Olivia and Dante because had Olivia told the truth (or Dante had told the truth) that Sonny shot a cop at point blank range that AJ and Jagger (because let's not forget about him) wouldn't have been murdered the same way. and THEY can get out too, but then sweetly tells Ned, we're cousins. you  can stay LOL

@driver18 - can't quote you so i'll tag you - 
Honestly, that's good that you do I know a lot of people do. It just frustrates me. I hate when they graft people onto a family tree  - especially a legacy one because to me it just screams that they have NO idea what to do with that character and/or that character could and should have been shown the door. Its unnecessary, artificial, drama. 

they did it with Sam to make her Alexis/Cassadine when there were so many natural exits for this character before that point

They did it with Cody to give him something to do. 

and Now Sasha. and again the insistence of relating everyone ruined imo a good coupling OF Cody and Sasha. 

it's a cheap lazy tactic, it warps what we know,  and a lot of times we have to bent reality a lot more than we should - again just because "it's; a soap" should't be an automatic handwave to every single thing. have some reality to it.  Dominique had a baby and NO one knew, no one said anything? please. and don;t even get me started on Holly pulling the same baby stunt twice. 

16 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm so sick of babies on this fakakta show that I don't care if it's Sasha's offspring who dies. Tough shit that she's tragedy-prone.

preach it. some people just happen to draw that straw. sorry that it's sasha. 

[YaddaYadda]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I'm so sick of babies on this fakakta show that I don't care if it's Sasha's offspring who dies. Tough shit that she's tragedy-prone.

I'm assuming that SM is pregnant in real life and that the midiots decided to write it in because they haven't met a real life pregnancy they didn't want to write in. 

Hide her behind a plant. No one is going to miss Sasha whenever the actress and her awesome skin when she goes on maternity leave. 

[lala2]

I pretty much hate Sasha now. I wanted her baby with Brando to live but he, tragically, died. I would love if her current baby dies but it will live b/c …… MICHAEL 🙄 Who cares if we keep adding to same freaking gene pool!! 

Sleeping with Michael was the worst thing that could have happened to Sasha. Ever since she slept with him, she has become a judgmental, hypocritical, insufferable, obnoxious witch. Even her dislike for Willow is OTT and irrational. Willow never did anything to Sasha. All Willow did was cheat just like she had before but I guess since that was with Michael, it was ok then! 🙄 When did Sasga, the con artist, become so moral? How can you act so morally when you have a married man’s baby in your stomach?!?!?!?!! 

And I guess Sasha forgot how Michael dropped her like a ton of rocks and didn’t even properly break up with her before he was proposing marriage to Willow?!? When he thought Chase slept with Sasha, he was outraged on WILLOW’S behalf, not Sasha’s! He didn’t try to defend Sasha’s honor or even ask her what happened! He immediately ditched her! He couldn’t have cared less about Sasha. She just slinked away and became a crackhead b/c of him! New Michael or not, I’ll never back that pairing! And now that they’ve turned Sasha into this judgmental hypocrite……it’s a definite no from me! I can’t stand either of them and envision a lot of FFing/muting in my future.

And the funny thing is I don’t like Willow. I definitely don’t like Drillow but all of the outrage over her cheating and moving in with Drew is too much for me to take! Separated but not yet divorced ppl get in new relationships all the time. They move in with new ppl before divorces are finalized all the time! Michael was in a burn unit for an indeterminate amount of time. Why was Willow expected to pause her life? All the accusations that she was taking the kids from him made no sense to me since the dude wasn’t even in the country?! She never wanted sole custody. He’s been gone for months so this narrative just doesn’t work for me. When did she keep the kids away from him?! He’s been in a burn unit!!! 

Sorry for the rant! As you can tell, I despise this story. Also, as a family/domestic violence lawyer, Michael trying to dictate who Willow can date in order to see their kids rubs me all the wrong way. That’s controlling and ridiculously problematic, esp since Drew has not been shown to be a danger! 

[ciarra]

12 hours ago, boes said:

Today's really my first time seeing - and hearing - Gloria and I already hate her.

Is it deserved?

I didn't like her before the Gio debacle.   I don't like how she is a stereotype, with her bingo dabbers and game cards.  And all she talks about is the neighborhood and cousin this, cousin that, and church.  Well, if you like it so much, why don't you go back there?

[sashabear21]

Ugh, Lois and Gloria need to take about an auditorium full of seats. Preferably an auditorium located in their sainted Bensonhurst.  

Is SB doing another MLM scheme with dragonberry juice or something? It was mentioned more times than Bensonhurst in that episode.  Although Laura and Liz gossiping was adorable. 

How many long lost children stories have we had on this show in the past few years? The Gio reveal has at least had some good stories and acting, but jeez this isn't Star Wars, not everyone needs to be related! Although that's getting to be difficult since half the town is populated by Sonny's spawn. Also I don't know that I would trust this regime to add any new families to the scene without having them eat the show.  And we really don't need any more cousins from Bensonhurst coming to visit. 

 

 

[Bringonthedrama]

20 hours ago, Daisy said:

and I hate the way she threw that in Willow's face too. "Well i gave up everything so you can have this life." bitch, Willow never asked you to.  Honestly I'd just respect Sasha a tiny bit more if she flat out said, "I'm angry becuse this is what I wanted, I wanted wiley as my kid, I wanted to have Michael's kid and I was a moron and give it up and now I'm not. deuces."

The irony is that Sasha gave up Michael but not "a life." At the time she had no problem being in a committed/monogamous relationship with Michael, but a) Diane told them not to get engaged because Sasha's con artist thing involving Nina could hurt Michael re: fighting Nelle for custody of Wiley and b) she didn't actually want to be a mother/stepmother to then toddler Wiley. She cared about the kid, but IIRC didn't feel ready or willing to be a parent. 

Whereas Michael and Willow had been acting like Willow was Wiley's maternal figure when she was in a relationship with Chase since she never truly mourned the death of her baby. 

56 minutes ago, YaddaYadda said:

Hide her behind a plant. No one is going to miss Sasha whenever the actress and her awesome skin when she goes on maternity leave. 

That is what the Show did when Becky Herbst was pregnant with her first child but Elizabeth was not pregnant. Herbst got to carry large purses, stand behind plants, etc. 

Herbst's second and third pregnancies were written in (Elizabeth's son Cameron and then Aiden) but she was not pregnant when Elizabeth was pregnant with Jake. The Show also wrote in Lisa LoCicero's pregnancy so that Olivia got pregnant with Leo from a ONS with Julian. I thought that was stupid.

[dubbel zout]

I cut Lucky some slack with the boys, since both Cam and Jake aren't living in PC for most of the time. Aidan is the only one at home these days.

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

I'm assuming that SM is pregnant in real life

According to the interwebs, she's not. I don't know if this makes the story better or worse.

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

When did she keep the kids away from him?! He’s been in a burn unit!!! 

The other side of that is: When did Michael abandon the kids? He's been in a burn unit. It just magnifies how galactically stupid this custody fight is.

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

Michael trying to dictate who Willow can date in order to see their kids rubs me all the wrong way. That’s controlling and ridiculously problematic, esp since Drew has not been shown to be a danger! 

Drew is just as controlling and ridiculously problematic, IMO. Willow has little agency with either of them.

 

[Cheyanne11]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

When did she keep the kids away from him?! He’s been in a burn unit!!! 

The other side of that is: When did Michael abandon the kids? He's been in a burn unit. It just magnifies how galactically stupid this custody fight is.

Galactically stupid indeed. As is "Michael could've received care closer to home" as if he would be in any shape to have the kids visit him.  He would've been facetiming them the same be he in Germany or Baltimore.

Again, just send the kids to boarding school.  

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

And the funny thing is I don’t like Willow. I definitely don’t like Drillow but all of the outrage over her cheating and moving in with Drew is too much for me to take! Separated but not yet divorced ppl get in new relationships all the time. They move in with new ppl before divorces are finalized all the time! Michael was in a burn unit for an indeterminate amount of time. Why was Willow expected to pause her life? All the accusations that she was taking the kids from him made no sense to me since the dude wasn’t even in the country?! She never wanted sole custody. He’s been gone for months so this narrative just doesn’t work for me. When did she keep the kids away from him?! He’s been in a burn unit!!! 

 

that's what i am saying.  like basically the marriage was over that day when the sex video played and Willow realized that Michael knew and was holding it over her head and was gonna drop her like a tonne of bricks. I think basically until she went to Germany [and thought] Michael didn't want to see her she did want to have some sort of amicable post -marriage because of the kids. but Carly and Drew are basically making it like NO. you can't. (and honestly how Katey Mc plays Willow it's very much she can't "think" for herself because she really doesn't know how to because of her cult upbringing. She's USED to people telling her what to do and what to think, and Even Carly's "I wish you can think for yourself" was a bunch of BS because when she was all Ooo we loveeee you Willow  - it was because willow was doing everything that Michael/Carly wanted. 

Michael basically telling her that no she can't have a relationship with drew if she wanted the children  because I don't like him, I am surprised that Willow didn't turn around and beat the snot out of his new face because what right does he have to dictate terms like that. And as much as I can't stand Drew right now, he was ABSOLUTELY RIGHT in saying that if she caved in to Michael now any time she does something that Michael doesn't like it's "well if you want to keep custody you better.."  but honestly had I been willow I might not have slapped him - but i would have said I'll agree to that only if carly and sonny and jason were out of the children's lives too or no deal.  because news flash those three aren't saints either

[statsgirl]

Speaking of being over-related, I wondered where Ace had got to (isn't he as old as Amelia?) and then remembered that he is both Laura's grandson and her grandnephew.

9 hours ago, ljr said:

Has any character said yet why would Sasha sleep with Jason? 

As @dubbel zout said, it's Saint Jasus. What woman could resist that 50 something body and tattoo sleeve?

3 hours ago, Noneofyourbusiness said:

The Sasha's baby paternity secret might be the thing that drives Ava and Ric apart that Alexis was hoping for, if Ric wants to expose it and Ava doesn't want to because Nina doesn't.

Ava and Nina may be friends now, probably temporarily again, but Ava would not sacrifice a gain, especially of money, for someone other than her daughter.

13 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

According to the interwebs, she's not. I don't know if this makes the story better or worse.

Seriously? We have this revolting story and the ruin of Sasha as a character and SM isn't even pregnant herself????

[Daisy]

37 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Seriously? We have this revolting story and the ruin of Sasha as a character and SM isn't even pregnant herself????

the thing was. she was pregnant before this storyline.  she was super duper extra glowly,  and they had no problem hiding her stomach then (it's when she had her daughter). 

I honestly think they just wanted to sort of re-deux Jason/Baby Mama 3.0 slash give Michael/Sasha a storyline and the thing that turns Michael on are babies. apparently. 

and Amelia is older than Ace - not like that means squat once SORAS rears its ugly head. I'm more surprised how big Amelia is but then i don't care about her either. 

 

Edited May 31 by Daisy

[GHScorpiosRule]

10 minutes ago, Daisy said:

and Amelia is older than Wiley

No, she’s younger. She is Willow’s biological child with the SLS. She’s about two now.

[YaddaYadda]

47 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

According to the interwebs, she's not. I don't know if this makes the story better or worse.

Worse. Because they went out of their way to give Michael a kid he did not need.

But Michael will now have 3 children by 3 different women. Following in Sonny's footsteps.

[Daisy]

5 minutes ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

No, she’s younger. She is Willow’s biological child with the SLS. She’s about two now.

i had meant Ace. i corrected it lol

[Bringonthedrama]

5 hours ago, Daisy said:

Michael basically telling her that no she can't have a relationship with drew if she wanted the children  because I don't like him, I am surprised that Willow didn't turn around and beat the snot out of his new face because what right does he have to dictate terms like that. 

No, his reason was Willow has shown poor judgement since she got into a relationship with Drew. That is true.  Drew said, "let's take Wiley along with Scout to D.C. for my swearing in" and Willow complied, without talking to Michael. She moved the children with her into Drew's new house, without talking to/corresponding with Michael.  She kept the kids there despite paparazzi staking out the place when Drew was recorded doing body shots with Jacinda at the Savoy. She was on camera making out with Drew on the Nurses Ball red carpet, which Wiley could be aware of since he was there to perform or he and Amelia could find out about it from TV or social media. 

Wiley also just told Michael that "Uncle Drew said you weren't coming back for a long time." It's not Drew's place to talk to the kids about Michael and their relationship with him.

[Artsda]

Lois and her mother should not be allowed to step foot on Quartermaine property. Maybe Lois since she came in kitchen she knew not to go through the front. 

Send them both back to Bensonhurst. Brooklyn better not forgive either. 

Nina treats Sasha far better than Sasha ever deserve from her. After all Sasha has done, even recently to her so called friends taking Sidwell money to get them tied to him. Then hating on Willow and involving herself with her kids so much, I wouldn't mind Sasha child and up being taken from her like this. 

[Sake614]

57 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

She was on camera making out with Drew on the Nurses Ball red carpet, which Wiley could be aware of since he was there to perform or he and Amelia could find out about it from TV or social media. 

And? They live together. I’m quite sure the children have seen them kissing at home. It’s not exactly a secret. As for ‘poor choices,’ Michael is the son of a mobster. The children are regularly around said mobster and their lives are in danger every time they are. And he got hammered and slept with Sasha (granted Willow doesn’t know yet but still). He saw the video of the playroom sex and rather than confront his wife, he held onto it for a later date when it would have the maximum impact. IMO they’ve both made plenty of poor choices.

no judge in his or her right mind would give sole custody to either of them. Just give them to Mac or Stella.

[Daisy]

1 hour ago, Bringonthedrama said:

No, his reason was Willow has shown poor judgement since she got into a relationship with Drew. That is true.  Drew said, "let's take Wiley along with Scout to D.C. for my swearing in" and Willow complied, without talking to Michael. She moved the children with her into Drew's new house, without talking to/corresponding with Michael.  She kept the kids there despite paparazzi staking out the place when Drew was recorded doing body shots with Jacinda at the Savoy. She was on camera making out with Drew on the Nurses Ball red carpet, which Wiley could be aware of since he was there to perform or he and Amelia could find out about it from TV or social media. 

Wiley also just told Michael that "Uncle Drew said you weren't coming back for a long time." It's not Drew's place to talk to the kids about Michael and their relationship with him.

I said it before, and I'll say it again -  it wouldn't occur to me at all to talk to my husband that I was divorcing to ask if I could take my kids on a day trip. Like i GET why you have to, but i have to point out [again], Willow had a stable job. she didn't pack like all her things, or anything like that. It was hey let's show Wiley the smithsonian. (is that in DC I dunno). Like honestly if he was mad about that, then they should have talked. because God forbid they do that.

i'm not married. but i don't know any of my friends (who share children) who have gotten seperated and went. "okay, Bob. so I am leaving you, but is it okay that I move into my boyfriends house and take the kids?"  that makes zero sense to me. I wouldn't expect Michael to do it either. 

and Drew is wileys and amelia';s uncle. so ... yeah. that's like saying Joss shouldn't say anything. i wouldn't by it either.

21 minutes ago, Sake614 said:

And? They live together. I’m quite sure the children have seen them kissing at home. It’s not exactly a secret. As for ‘poor choices,’ Michael is the son of a mobster. The children are regularly around said mobster and their lives are in danger every time they are. And he got hammered and slept with Sasha (granted Willow doesn’t know yet but still). He saw the video of the playroom sex and rather than confront his wife, he held onto it for a later date when it would have the maximum impact. IMO they’ve both made plenty of poor choices.

 

 

all of this. 
Michael made a LOT of bad decisions. and again. he can NOT like Drew. But if Willow said that she doesn't want the kids near Jason or Sonny or Carly the holy hell that they would raise even if Willow can clearly cite that a few months ago, once agian say it with Michael's body melted off. What if the kids were there? Like we're arguing over a trip to DC  over the fact that the Kids coulda visited Grandpa and died?  like ... yeah.. no.. . doesn't fly w/me. 

[nilyank]

At the end of the day, joint custody should be the result of the child custody suit because neither Michael or Willow have done anything to merit them losing time with their children. Sleeping/cheating with other people is not a reason to cost them custody.

This would have been avoided if Michael and Willow had actually spoken to each other after the nanny cam of notsexytimes was accidentally shown. Except for a few minutes where Michael didn't fight Willow from leaving with the children that night, they have not spoken to each other.

I do blame Willow more than Michael as she was not in a burn unit for six months. It was not until she decided to fly to Germany that she made any real attempt to communicate with Michael. If was only due to Kristina (not their mother) that the children were able to see/talk with Michael during all these months. During all that time, Willow had never spoken/reached out to Michael. Not to talk about their children or what the next  steps would be for them.

Not that Michael is excused for not communicating with her, but for a good part of the time, he was in the burn unit trying to recover and it would been harder for him to reach out to Willow. However once his recovery was miraculously speeded up, he should have reached out to Willow.

Should Michael demand Willow drop Drew in order to see her children? No, but it doesn't help that moments after that demand that Drew creepily takes her engagement ring telling her that he will keep it as if it should belong to him and eventually they can give it to Amelia in the future. As she nods her head dumbly as if that is the most sensible thing her lover says to her when she finally takes off her wedding ring/engagement ring from her current husband.

Edited June 1 by nilyank

[lala2]

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t have a problem with Willow not reaching out because he was in a burn unit. What was there to discuss at that time? He suffered major burns and was presumably in a lot of pain. He clearly couldn’t care for their kids so she did. If she fell into a coma, he would care for the kids. I wouldn’t think he would be in a position to discuss custody. I thought she was waiting for him to return or get better to discuss those things, which makes sense to me.

I agree that it’s odd Millow never spoke again after the nanny cam reveal but I put that in the “bad writing” category rather than blaming the characters. There’s literally no reason they shouldn’t have spoken after that. The writers didn’t want them to speak b/c they wanted contrived custody drama. I’m telling y’all, GH is obsessed with custody battles. I don’t think the burn story was written very well. There’s no reason Willow wasn’t getting regular updates on Michael’s progress. That was the point of her being his medical proxy and still his wife. The show literally shoved him away, had the characters move on with their lives, and then brought him back when they were ready. They didn’t treat the burns like a real story. It was just a placeholder. 

Now, he’s back and perfectly fine and we’re going right into a custody trial with the two characters who both expressed a desire to share custody! Yay! 🙄 Guess this Sasha secret has gotta be exposed, and it has to be during yet another pointless custody trial. Haha! Ok. I’ll stop now. lol

[Cheyanne11]

12 hours ago, Daisy said:

said it before, and I'll say it again -  it wouldn't occur to me at all to talk to my husband that I was divorcing to ask if I could take my kids on a day trip.

Just one point: it wasn't a day trip, it was overnight and out of state and, sorry, Willow was very stupid to not inform Michael when they were already in the midst of arguing about custody.

[Bringonthedrama]

50 minutes ago, lala2 said:

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t have a problem with Willow not reaching out because he was in a burn unit. What was there to discuss at that time? He suffered major burns and was presumably in a lot of pain. He clearly couldn’t care for their kids so she did. If she fell into a coma, he would care for the kids. I wouldn’t think he would be in a position to discuss custody. I thought she was waiting for him to return or get better to discuss those things, which makes sense to me.

The problem is not that they didn't discuss custody; obviously Willow is the primary parent while their daddy is in the burn unit. She moved the kids into Drew's house and she and Drew basically gave her kids a new sibling who is actually their cousin, without consulting with Michael at all. Scout is mourning her mother and these two kids basically had Drew forced on them as their new insta father figure. That's not healthy.

It would be a different situation if Willow found her own home and the kids were settling in with "Uncle Drew" as a frequent visitor. But they're not in their own new home with Mommy, building a life.  As Wiley asked Michael, "Are we going to Uncle Drew's house?"

[sashabear21]

Maybe Michael and Willow should just settle this in a very 2025 way on the battlefields of Reddit!  “I took my children who are single digit ages out of state for an overnight visit to see their uncle (my lover, m.54) get sworn into congress and banged him in the hotel room next door while they were asleep. I didn’t tell their father about the trip and then we played happy family the next couple of months while their father was recovering from 3rd degree burns. My kids seem okay but TBH I've not really asked or checked in with them. AITA?” 

Edited June 1 by sashabear21

[nilyank]

1 hour ago, lala2 said:

Maybe it’s just me but I don’t have a problem with Willow not reaching out because he was in a burn unit. What was there to discuss at that time?

Since Willow thought Michael was a good father and he was very involved in raising their children, communication between the children and Michael would be best for all of them and if not for Kristina of all people this would have never happened. As you said Willow has primary custody of the kids and she is on the outs with everyone else close to Michael.

Forget Michael, the kids missed their father and even Willow is not that delusional that the kids would be okay with their father being away for six months with zero contact.

Edited June 1 by nilyank

[KerleyQ]

To be fair, we don't know if Willow would have done something like the video calls if Kristina hadn't taken the initiative to do it. Since Kristina was doing it, Willow may have felt like it was less awkward to just let her keep handling it, so Michael and the kids could just have that time that's about the three of them, without any tension between Michael and Willow hanging over the calls.  And, I really think it was a good thing, because it clearly allowed Wiley to speak freely to Michael about what was going on in their lives. 

Everyone involved in this storyline sucks, to varying degrees, but I'm still waiting on anyone on screen to articulate why it's so bad for the kids to be around Drew. I mean, I agree that Willow moved way too fast in moving the kids in with Drew, no argument there. But, everyone acts like the kids are in some mortal danger being around him, and that's just so overwrought and over the top that I can't take any of them seriously about that, especially when everyone saying it is or has been involved with the mob and continues to let their children spend time with a mob boss and his right hand man. 

And any argument about confusing the kids falls flat when he's got his pregnant one night stand already jumping in and playing mommy to the kids five minutes after he gets back from Germany. Not to mention Michael's hypocrisy bringing up Wiley asking for him while he was gone and then turning around and shooting Wiley down when he says he wants to see Willow and wants her to go swimming with them. And the woman he is cozying up to now and letting help him take care of the kids is the same woman who told him she doesn't want him to actually be the father of the baby they conceived.  So, Willow is evil for living her life with the kids when Michael was literally unable to be with them, but Sasha is some goddess of motherhood when she has all along been planning to raise his child without him having any rights to the baby?  Then there's the disconnect of claiming that the kids aren't safe being with Willow while she's involved with Drew, but Sasha is letting the world believe that Michael's baby is actually the child of a high level mob enforcer, which seems just a tiny bit more dangerous than Congressman. 

Moving on, Alexis went about paying off Rick and Ava as stupidly as possible. Did she really think that Laura was never going to pay any attention to Ace's inheritance. Instead of taking money out of the trust without telling the other person overseeing it, she could have gone to Laura and told her that, as she's had more time to think it over, she has some sympathy for how Ava lost everything, and maybe they should give her a chunk of that money. Or just get the money from Kristina's other parent and skip the whole embezzling it from Ace's inheritance thing.  I mean, she shouldn't be paying them off to cover for Kristina anyway, but if she insists on doing it, at least be a little smarter about the whole thing. 

Oops, forgot to mention Gloria. Barging in there and telling BLQ to stop yelling at Lois and take it up with her if she has a problem? I'd love for BLQ to say "oh, don't worry, I'll be taking this up with you, too. So why don't you just have a seat right over there and wait your turn?" 

Edited June 1 by KerleyQ

[Daisy]

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Just one point: it wasn't a day trip, it was overnight and out of state and, sorry, Willow was very stupid to not inform Michael when they were already in the midst of arguing about custody.

thanks for that correct. 
apparently according to some legal eagles who work in family law, you don't have to do that [maybe @lala2 can clarify that one, if you had, sorry, i'm an old woman, with old woman brain haha). 

but i do concede your other point though. 

[nilyank]

2 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

To be fair, we don't know if Willow would have done something like the video calls if Kristina hadn't taken the initiative to do it.

Counterpoint, every time Willow has made a decision what was best for her and the children, Drew would whisper in her ear and she would immediately change her mind.

• after kissing Drew and how that would impact her marriage, she chose to stay away from Drew including quitting her job at the Foundation. Then anytime that they ran into each other, he would be all over her encouraging her back to him
• when the nanny cam video was accidentally shown, she initially wanted to stay and talk to Michael but Nina got her all scared and tried to sneak out with the kids. Lucky for her, Michael agreed to take the kids with her that night (only for Drew to use that as strategy that Michael abandoned his kids)
• she had rejected going to DC when he invited her, but he said it would be great for Wylie to witness the only time he would actually doing his job as congressman when he got sworn in
• when Michael was brought into GH with his injuries, she did not want to initially use her power as Michael's medical proxy when Drew brought it up but once again Drew only had to ask it twice before she agreed to what he wanted
• Drew buys a house and tells Willows it's going to be their home. She rejects the idea and agrees to go back to Nina's only turn around and move the kids for the 4th in less than 4 months into Drew's place
• after talking with Jason, Willow agrees to go to Germany and talk with Michael. Drew tries to manipulate her not to go. For once his tactics don't work as Willow holds firm with going, but Drew just pays off the receptionist to tell Willow that Michael refuses to see her 

I believe that Drew has no interest in Michael having any contact with the children and he would have manipulated Willow that it would have been bad for the kids and her custody suit if she kept them in contact with each other. And while I believe Willow would have initially rejected his suggestion, he would only have to ask her twice before she would change her mind. Again.

[lala2]

It is best to let the other parent know if you’re going on a trip with the kids, but it’s not necessary if there’s no custody order in place. Both parents have equal rights to their kids and can go on trips with them. You can’t kidnap kids but a weekend trip is not a big deal……at least not where I practice! No judge would penalize her for that trip because the kids were brought back and were seemingly fine. But parents in active custody cases take kids on vacations all the time without the other party’s permission, and judges don’t really care. Again, it is better to talk to the other parent and to inform them of trips you plan to take so everyone is informed. That’s just decent co-parenting in my mind. 

I could be wrong but I don’t recall them fighting at that time. Michael insisted on the kids not being put in the middle. I think she should have told him she planned to still go to DC with the kids. The fact that she didn’t wasn’t good but it’s not the worst decision in the world. It definitely wasn’t illegal or anything since no custody orders were in place at that time.

[JMO]

I remember Michael making the observation that Willow is easily influenced, and relating that back to her experience in the cult. Is he the only person who has expressed that insight?  Wondering if we'll hear more discussion of it now that Michael is back.

I know this is a completely different story from the Sasha/Chase/Willow/Michael/Wiley story, but it doesn't feel like it to me, and I think that's why I have absolutely no interest in it.  

 

 

 

[Cheyanne11]

Right, that's why I said it was stupid of Willow, not illegal.  And she and Michael were definitely fighting then, as she was in D.C. on her little "let's let Wiley see democracy in action while we shove him in another room while we boink" trip when Michael got smore'd. 

[dubbel zout]

3 minutes ago, JMO said:

I remember Michael making the observation that Willow is easily influenced, and relating that back to her experience in the cult. Is he the only person who has expressed that insight?  Wondering if we'll hear more discussion of it now that Michael is back.

I think Carly and Nina have said something similar at separate times, but I don't think anyone has said it to Willow, at least in a way that's not significantly antagonistic.

[Bringonthedrama]

2 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

To be fair, we don't know if Willow would have done something like the video calls if Kristina hadn't taken the initiative to do it. Since Kristina was doing it, Willow may have felt like it was less awkward to just let her keep handling it, so Michael and the kids could just have that time that's about the three of them, without any tension between Michael and Willow hanging over the calls.  And, I really think it was a good thing, because it clearly allowed Wiley to speak freely to Michael about what was going on in their lives. 

Everyone involved in this storyline sucks, to varying degrees, but I'm still waiting on anyone on screen to articulate why it's so bad for the kids to be around Drew. I mean, I agree that Willow moved way too fast in moving the kids in with Drew, no argument there. But, everyone acts like the kids are in some mortal danger being around him, and that's just so overwrought and over the top that I can't take any of them seriously about that, especially when everyone saying it is or has been involved with the mob and continues to let their children spend time with a mob boss and his right hand man. 

And any argument about confusing the kids falls flat when he's got his pregnant one night stand already jumping in and playing mommy to the kids five minutes after he gets back from Germany. Not to mention Michael's hypocrisy bringing up Wiley asking for him while he was gone and then turning around and shooting Wiley down when he says he wants to see Willow and wants her to go swimming with them.

So, Willow is evil for living her life with the kids when Michael was literally unable to be with them, but Sasha is some goddess of motherhood

Then there's the disconnect of claiming that the kids aren't safe

Willow said sure do the video chats with Michael, the kids would love it - on one condition, no bashing Drew.  

I thought seriously, you have just uprooted your kids from their home and they're only seeing their dad on a screen now here and there for who knows how long, but your big concern is nothing negative being said about Drew around the kids and that his feelings don't get hurt?!

No one has said the kids are in mortal danger being around Drew. At first Carly wanted to keep the kids away from Willow as a punishment for cheating on Michael and she thought they were better off in the Q mansion (oh the irony) with Grandma and extended family or at her house, but in the weeks and months since then it's become clear that Drew does all the thinking and decision-making for Willow and the two kids. He also clearly wants to rub in Michael's and the family's faces that Willow "fell in love" with him and just deal with it/accept it.

After the Michael/Willow blow up at Carly's, I figured Michael told Wiley no about Mommy coming swimming because Willow doesn't do anything without Drew by her side now except work. I don't doubt she would refuse to go swimming unless Drew and Scout were invited also. (It's a sad reality with some people. My aunt and then-uncle broke up mostly because he was having an affair. My aunt was totally devastated by the betrayal. Their eldest daughter got engaged, and was having a big wedding.  My cousin wanted her dad to give her away, but said the mistress (future stepmother) was not invited. He refused to attend unless his mistress was also invited; I was told he said "you wouldn't go to an event unless your husband-to-be was invited too, right?" So he didn't attend by choice, and my aunt walked my cousin down the aisle.

Sasha may think of herself as goddess mother-to-be, but I haven't heard anyone call her that.

[KerleyQ]

Nina really is an idiot in this whole thing, and it's definitely going to come back to bite her in the ass eventually. She's sitting there with the two bombs that could potentially end Willow's relationship with Drew and help Willow with the custody case. (I mean, in this bizarro world where having an affair means you can't win a custody case, it's something that would help her.) But she refuses to deploy either one. She'd rather let Willow lose her kids than just tell her she and Drew were sleeping together when he and Willow were starting to get together. Sure, at this point, she might be too far under his spell for even that to matter, but if anything is going to get her to leave him, finding out he was fucking her mother would be it. Nina just doesn't ant to take that heat on herself, so she's being increasingly stupid and not giving Willow the ammunition to fight back against Michael in court. 

I know I've said this before, but I'll say it again. I hate what they've done with this whole storyline. I thought I was getting a good old fashioned soapy Liza/Marian/Tad kind of storyline. Instead it's yet another ridiculous custody case. And a lopsided one, at that, with the mother having exactly nobody who is just fully in her corner, without an agenda, lies, or manipulation, while she faces off against Team Carly. And Team Carly never loses. 

Also, I want to know the purpose of the whole "Jason is the daddy" storyline. It seemed like it was going to be a setup to pair Jason and Sasha, but I just can't see them doing that now. They didn't have Jason and Sasha very obviously into each other and admitting it yet, and with the way Sasha and Michael are making moon eyes at each other already, there is exactly zero chance Jason would go there with Sasha now. Michael has always been Jason's priority, even more than his own kids. 

[dubbel zout]

What I'd love to see is for Michael to start mind-fucking Drew. He's calling the shots anyway, so use that. Have Michael capitulate just enough that Drew starts getting suspicious—nothing gigantic, but stuff Drew thought Michael would refuse to do—and then Drew starts making bad decisions that ultimately make Willow lose custody, in a way that is obviously due to him. Then maybe Willow will see the Drew is in this for himself more than anyone. He wants to stick it to Michael and the Qs and Carly so badly that he was willing to go that far to make his point.

It won't happen this way, of course, since this has the danger of maybe being interesting.

[Sake614]

I think part of the reason Nina won’t fess up to sleeping with Drew is that it was a quid pro quo. She screwed him so he would smooth the way for her to have a relationship with Willow. Sure it grew into a bit more for both of them but that’s really what it was. And Nina doesn’t want Willow to know that part of it because it will make her look even more pathetic. And he’ll turn it around to say she manipulated him and he was just looking out for Willow. Which Willow will totally believe because Drew can do no wrong.

[sacrebleu]

I wish Willow would stop being shocked SHOCKED that Michael can be cold and calculating.

He bribed the Pennsylvania D.A. to get Nina charged with those trumped up identity fraud charges. 

He hired Dex to go undercover in Sonny's organization so he could get information to send his own father to jail! 

And he knew Nina called the feds on Carly's insider trading and used that info to control Nina.

Willow knows all this, but still is surprised when Michael fights dirty!?!?!

 I'd personally love it if she used what little she knew about Sonny/ Pikeman as leverage to get Michael to back down but

A. She probably doesn't remember, seeing as how Michael's tactics continue to shock her. 

B. I can't remember if Pikeman is still EEEEVIIILLL now that Valentin is gone.

C. Anna won't go after Sonny. 

 

[Cheyanne11]

17 hours ago, sacrebleu said:

I wish Willow would stop being shocked SHOCKED that Michael can be cold and calculating.

He bribed the Pennsylvania D.A. to get Nina charged with those trumped up identity fraud charges. 

He hired Dex to go undercover in Sonny's organization so he could get information to send his own father to jail! 

And he knew Nina called the feds on Carly's insider trading and used that info to control Nina.

Willow knows all this, but still is surprised when Michael fights dirty!?!?!

'I never thought leopards would eat MY face,' sobs woman Wiilow who  voted for married into the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party. 

Edited Monday at 02:05 PM by Cheyanne11

[statsgirl]

Nina told Ava that she is hesitant to use the idea that Michael is the father of Sasha's baby because if Willow gets custody of the kids free and clear, she will never ditch Drew. She has a point about Stepford Willow.

8 hours ago, nilyank said:

Counterpoint, every time Willow has made a decision what was best for her and the children, Drew would whisper in her ear and she would immediately change her mind.

Willow has made a number of bad decisions from Drew whispering in her ear but none of them are so bad as to actually cost her custody of her young children. And there is no evidence that Drew has done anything to harm the kids. Everyone thought that Michael would stay away for a long time.

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 5/30/2025 at 12:44 PM, YaddaYadda said:

Yes. We should. The number of times they zoom in on her hands on her belly is obnoxious AF.

I don't know if the Emma actress looked at Finola's old tapes, but on top of looking like her supposed grandmother, but her acting reminds me of Finola too.

Elizabeth and Lucky live together, but that whole relationship is starting to remind me of Sam and Dante where everything was off screen. We knew they were together. We knew they were raising their kids together, but we saw like 1% of it, if that.

Alexis should wash her hands off Kristina. She's a goddamn adult, let her suffer the consequences of her actions. 

Is Curtis going to divorce Portia at some point, or is Jordan's secret still so much worse than lying about a child and lying about being blackmailed? 

Emulating 80’s Anna isn’t a bad thing,  FH should go back and look at how she played Anna in the 80’s too.

On 5/29/2025 at 1:49 PM, Cheyanne11 said:

This show loves to give everyone babies and then have them fight over them like a bunch of assholes.

The storyline isn’t expensive to film, and the show’s writers are clearly creatively bankrupt.  Plus they’re obviously not very talented.

[Suicidy 2.0]

On 5/29/2025 at 1:55 PM, absnow54 said:

Sasha must have been reading the boards with her half assed, “I guess I’m kind of a hypocrite for helping Michael steal his kids!” And Jason’s quick, “Oh no, it’s totally fine when you do it!” Girl, Michael is going to take your kid from you too. 

Or Carly will.  Apparently I’m the GHverse, any extended family can get custody, or unilaterally decide to seek custody on behalf of one of the parents.

These writers……. I need a drink. 

[methodwriter85]

2 hours ago, Suicidy 2.0 said:

I don't know if the Emma actress looked at Finola's old tapes, but on top of looking like her supposed grandmother, but her acting reminds me of Finola too.

Personally I think the Emma actress has a bit of a Young Kim Delaney vibe:

She's been a great recast regardless of who she reminds people of. I really wish they'd recast Spencer though because it would be great to see those two characters interact as adults.

[Daisy]

After seeing the promo for the week.... well. don't tease me show. 

[statsgirl]

Today's episode was apparently written by someone living in a backwards world.

Is the show really going to forgive Lois already? it's far too soon, I need more consequences for her. Don't give in Brook Lynn.

Gloria to Brook Lynn:  You need to think about the difficult position your mother was in. {There is nothing I hate more than when a person is hurting, instead of getting support they are told to think about how the other person feels and expected to support them.)

Sonny graciously forgiving Olivia for not telling him about Dante and the show completely ignores that the reason that she didn't was because he was a mobster. Sheesh.

I thought that Dante was going to be the one to talk to Rocco about Gio. Why is Lulu dominating the conversation?

Laura confronts Alexis about $10 million missing from Ace's trust fund. Ten million dollars!!!!  That's a ridiculous amount. Are Ava and Ric stupid? That amount is going to get missed and no one needs that much money in addition to what they already have.

Good scenes of Lucky coming clean to Liz about knowing what Kristina did. Soapy. And it's about time.

Liz seems to be the only person in this episode to have any brains.

Edited Monday at 07:22 PM by statsgirl

[Bringonthedrama]

Great job by JJ with body language and nervousness in the face including shining eyes, as Lucky told Elizabeth everything (except about Ric and Ava blackmailing Alexis) in order to be "worthy of you."  She was certainly very understanding of his reasons. It seems for both of them it comes down to Alexis/family already lost Sam while the Spencers got Lulu back, and Elizabeth believing Lucky that Kristina won't try to kill Ava/anyone again. Also, she doesn't want Aiden to suffer at the likelihood of Lucky going to jail as an accessory to the crime if she turns Kristina in.  She looked not thrilled at discovering the ring-sized box.  

Gloria is indeed more awful than Lois. The two of them being unapologetic about their actions and lies is so horrible.

Nice of Sonny to leave out the fact that he shot his son at point-blank range, in talking to Gio about the history of his relationship with Dante and the time it took to "forgive Olivia" for lying.

Good Dante-Rocco-Lulu scenes. It seemed like Dante's anger toward Lulu simmered down a bit (?) as she explained her role and (some of) her motivation in the Gio secret exposition to Rocco. The Lulu-Rocco hug at the end was sweet.

Alexis so blatantly lying to Laura, who trusts her, and then to Marco, was gross.

Edited Monday at 07:32 PM by Bringonthedrama

[boes]

10 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Gloria to Brook Lynn:  You need to think about the difficult position your mother was in. {There is nothing I hate more than when a person is hurting, instead of getting support they are told to think about how the other person feels and expected to support them.)

I want Traci to put on a pair of very pointed stilettos and kick those two so hard that Gloria and Lois orbit the sun.  And when they crash to earth, let them land fair and square, with a giant SPLAT, right in the middle of their beloved Bensonhurst.

[dubbel zout]

Finally, Lucky tells Elizabeth that Kristina is responsible for her injuries. I can't give him too much credit, since he's still covering for her by not telling the cops, and she's bought into his "that family has already suffered so much" bullshit.

3 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I thought that Dante was going to be the one to talk to Rocco about Gio. Why is Lulu dominating the conversation?

Dante did do most of the talking. Lulu took the reins when Rocco asked how Gio found out, which was appropriate. But she's still reluctant to believe that BL had no idea what happened to Gio after she gave birth. 

GF's faces when Alexis was scrambling to explain the vanishing $10 million from the Cassadine trust were hilarious.

3 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Gloria to Brook Lynn:  You need to think about the difficult position your mother was in.

Way to blame BL for everything that happened. Good lord. Also, it's really gross they think a bio family member was the only person who could raise Gio properly. Adoption is not a lesser form of love.

Kristina, no one cares what you think about Willow and the whole situation. And you're one to talk about Willow not listening to anyone. Did you listen to anyone telling you to stay away from Ava?

Gio, maybe don't look a gift horse in the mouth. What's the difference if Sonny didn't know he was your grandpa? Your musical education was paid for.

9 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Sonny graciously forgiving Olivia for not telling him about Dante and the show completely ignores that the reason that she didn't was because he was a mobster. Sheesh.

No, Sonny mentioned his "affiliations." He didn't mention shooting Dante in the chest point-blank, of course. He admitted it wasn't easy to forge a relationship, lol.

Alexis, please fire Suzanne immediately. It's ridiculous Alexis, much less Diane, would allow such an inept employee to stick around. 

[Daisy]

18 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Finally, Lucky tells Elizabeth that Kristina is responsible for her injuries. I can't give him too much credit, since he's still covering for her by not telling the cops, and she's bought into his "that family has already suffered so much" bullshit.

Lucky should have thought about that before he lied. 

[JMO]

I hope Elizabeth asks to keep her cast and hits Lucky over the head with it.  

The Sonny/Gio scenes were good, even though we know Sonny withheld certain pertinent information----like maybe it wouldn't have taken he and Dante so long to forge a relationship if there hadn't been a bullet wound between them.  In this instance, Sonny's lack of a moral compass enabled him to acknowledge everyone's poor choices without assigning blame, which gives permission to Gio to eventually do the same.  

Rocco handled himself maturely, and I was impressed with his offer to be the one to speak to Gio.  Lulu managed to explain her reasoning indirectly to Dante in a less emotional setting, which might give them some hope for the future.  Couldn't tell from Dante's facial expression whether he was buying any of it.

BL blamed her mother and grandmother for keeping her son from her several times today, accusing them of depriving her of a relationship with Gio.  Which she will eventually have to reconcile with the fact that she had no plan to even think about looking for her unknown child until very recently.  Still, it's true that they didn't proactively tell her about the possibility of that relationship, leaving us to wonder if they would have done so if BL had ever expressed a desire to meet the child she'd given up. 

Bad judgement seems to run in the Davis family.  

[Fellaway]

So Lucky wants to be honest with Elizabeth, but isn't she now also kinda sorta an accessory after the fact, too, if she doesn't go the police? Thanks for the honesty, Lucky.

But why quibble? PC is Bizarro World when it comes to the law, so no worries, Liz!