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11 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

So, what, in another 20 years, will Jason be pretending to be the father of Wiley's affair baby?  

Yep.

9 hours ago, boes said:

I still don't understand how anyone could think Jason fathered Sasha's child, or any child, for that matter. 

It comes down to everyone knowing Jason doesn't lie, so if he doesn't say otherwise, it must be true. The people of Port Charles are deeply stupid.

30 minutes ago, Melgaypet said:

Why doesn't Sasha just say she got pregnant from a one-night stand with a rando? The best lies are the ones closest to the truth, and that's true except for the "rando" part. Maybe it's a little embarrassing to say "yeah, I didn't actually catch his name," but personally, I would find it a lot more embarrassing to say I banged my ex-boyfriend's 60 year-old hitman uncle.

I don't get this either. Jason being the putative father doesn't exactly enhance Sasha's reputation, so she might just say it was an ill-advised ONS with a random. The number of people who are deeply invested in who the baby's father is is creepy. If Sasha wants to put a stop to it, she should give a more definitive answer than MYOB.

Re the Joss apology to Cyrus: I like how he looked back into Kelly's after leaving, as if to see what Joss does next. I am worried he will think it's real, which would be OOC. He's not supposed to be that stupid, even if it's Joss and she's not only a Carly but also a budding WSB agent. (I can't even write that last bit without collapsing into laughter. This is the young woman who had to be told that text messages leave a digital trail.)

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6 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

But Sasha isn't shutting the Jason rumor down, so she loses that initial credit, IMO.

“Jason is not the father.”

“Then who is?”

”A ONS, random guy I met at a bar.”

Then it’s smooth sailing until the baby has some rare medical disorder that requires a familial donor and none of the Scorpios are a match. 

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1 hour ago, Daisy said:

So Sasha's big. plan to "protect her baby." is to bleat to everyone that Jason WHO IS A HITMAN FOR THE CORINTHOS FAMILY AND IS A QUATERMAINE is the father of said baby?

Well, she's an idiot, but I wonder if her suddenly telling Jason he has to say the kid is his is to now protect Michael from the Evil!Willow using his infidelity against him in what is sure to be the next eyerollingly badly written custody case.

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12 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

I hate to ever be on Carly's side, but after today's Carly/Nina scenes, where Nina was laying it on so thick to manipulate Carly into helping her get Willow away from Drew, once the truth comes out about Nina and Drew having sex, I fully support Carly tearing into her. Nina has the ammunition to bust that pairing up, but she refuses to use it. Yes, her relationship with Willow will take a hit, but if she's the one who tells Willow, she has the chance to spin it as best she can. If it comes out because she and Carly do split Willow and Drew up, and Drew decides to go scorched earth, it will be way worse for Nina. (And she should be able to figure out that the odds are that Drew will spill it if he thinks he's lost Willow due to Nina's influence).  Her standing there asking Carly "are you willing to do whatever it takes?" is so hypocritical, when she's not "willing to do whatever it takes."  

Honestly, this whole thing is so dumb. But I guess we need another round of Nina being yelled at shunned. That's the only reason the writers refuse to have Nina tell Willow anything about sleeping with Drew.

Plus if we count on Willow dumping Drew because he was sleeping with her mother, then I guess dragging the smarmy and domineering relationship with Drew will end too quickly and let's face it, the writers have no idea what to do with Drewfus.

I can't with Kristina. Girl, you need to be in a padded room. 

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1 hour ago, Melgaypet said:

I know soap characters make ridiculous choices all the time. But if the ONLY reason a character does something absurd is "so this story will work," you (as the writers) need to rethink. Find a plausible motivation for your characters to do what they do, and if you can't, then the story doesn't work and you need to scrap it.

Why doesn't Sasha just say she got pregnant from a one-night stand with a rando? The best lies are the ones closest to the truth, and that's true except for the "rando" part. Maybe it's a little embarrassing to say "yeah, I didn't actually catch his name," but personally, I would find it a lot more embarrassing to say I banged my ex-boyfriend's 60 year-old hitman uncle.

OMG so much more embarrassing!  Most people have had one night stands, but almost nobody has banged their ex-boyfriend's 60 yo hitman uncle!

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Lucky's having a not-so-great day, between jealousy from finding out from his boss that Elizabeth was out on a walk with Ric and then his favorite murdering uncle deliberately showing up in his workplace.

Danny is short-sighted and reckless, definitely reminding me of his mother.

So Jason was going to tell Danny that he's not getting another sibling but will probably change his mind now that Danny couldn't keep an important secret with Rocco.

Stupid plot device though, as I don't believe Danny would stop mid-rant to check one single photo alert that Kai and Emma had posted. 

"Drew would never treat me the way Jason treats Sasha - Drew loves me" "Drew wouldn't lie to me" - Willow sounds like a naive cult member. I hope Nina doesn't get interrupted while telling her truth.

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So close. So so close to Lucky  being the one to save Danny from Cyrus. But then Big Bad hitman Jason has to appear.

Danny follows Kai on social media? Yeah, sure.

I used to like Kristina but wow, these writers have ruined her. Definitely unhinged. Lexi should be happy that she's away from this mess.

Why is Martin calling his nephew "Mr. Spencer"? It's bad enough that Liz and Isaiah are "Dr. Gannon", "Nurse Baldwin"ing each other.

"That pesky environmental review."  That's how you know that Sidwell is a villain, for those who haven't picked up on it yet.

14 hours ago, KerleyQ said:

 Nina has the ammunition to bust that pairing up, but she refuses to use it.

Willow is such a ninny, I don't think that it will matter to her. She'll say that Drew was just passing time with Nina because Willow was with Michael then.

2 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Well, she's an idiot, but I wonder if her suddenly telling Jason he has to say the kid is his is to now protect Michael from the Evil!Willow using his infidelity against him in what is sure to be the next eyerollingly badly written custody case.

Did you have a sneak preview of the episode?  Because you nailed it.

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8 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

Lucky's having a not-so-great day, between jealousy from finding out from his boss that Elizabeth was out on a walk with Ric and then his favorite murdering uncle deliberately showing up in his workplace.

WTH!?!? Cyrus went to Kelly's/Bobbie's on his way to work AND stopped by Charlie's and still hasn't shown up for his shift at the PC Grill? 

I hope he shows up at the Floating Rib next, how many stops will he make before work

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3 minutes ago, sacrebleu said:

WTH!?!? Cyrus went to Kelly's/Bobbie's on his way to work AND stopped by Charlie's and still hasn't shown up for his shift at the PC Grill? 

He showed up at the PC Grill and pressured/manipulated brother Marty to leave a meeting with Nina and Willow there and go with him to Charlie's RIGHT THIS MINUTE to get Lucky to persuade Lulu, etc. that he's not bad. 

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Of course all of Sonny's heart issues are a big fat nothing. Surgery to repair the bullet damage shouldn't come as a surprise.

This whiplash writing for Cyrus is as bad as what we get for Ava. Cyrus is OMG TEH EVUL!!1! No, he's a man desperately trying to repair broken ties with his family. No, he's a simple man of the cloth who just wants to spread the Good News.

Being discreet doesn't mean sneaking around, Willow. It means don't fuck in the nursery where there's a nanny cam or tongue each other in the town square.

42 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

It's bad enough that Liz and Isaiah are "Dr. Gannon", "Nurse Baldwin"ing each other.

That was in context to Elizabeth being back at GH, so it didn't feel overly mannered to me.

Ava was going to take Avery to see the new apartment, not fly her off to a country without an extradition agreement. FFS. I don't know why Kristina thinks this is going to give her satisfaction.

Sonny, doing what's best for Avery is making sure her parents aren't constantly in court fighting for sole custody. And why does it take Noted Bigot Natalia to point that out to you? Gah.

Jason is a dumbass. Too bad he'll come out the hero, as always.

Felicia, the question to Cody is why he has to be a hero to anyone.

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1 hour ago, DanaK said:

I realized halfway through the episode how many characters were at Charlie’s. That seems to be the new gathering place

If they are going to erect a set, by god are they going to use it. Earlier in the day, seemingly every character crossed through the Metro Court. Jason’s been home from Germany for 20 minutes and has already gone from the Qs to the Metro Court back to the Qs and then onto Charlie’s. 

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Willow going on about Drew sounds like a thirteen year old girl talking about her boyfriend. If she is going to stay on the canvas, she needs to have a total psychological breakdown wherein Kevin realizes she was frozen at that age, and then she can emerge with a different personality. 

Meanwhile, Kai just needs to find any personality. Maybe he can borrow some of Emma or Kristina's cuz they are unbearably extra. 

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1 hour ago, absnow54 said:

If they are going to erect a set, by god are they going to use it. Earlier in the day, seemingly every character crossed through the Metro Court. Jason’s been home from Germany for 20 minutes and has already gone from the Qs to the Metro Court back to the Qs and then onto Charlie’s. 

Plus they get to save on the lighting budget for all of the scenes at Charlie's.

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The Rocco/Danny scene was good and showed me real potential in each of the actors, and I hope we get a lot more, either together or  apart.  It's the only way for them to fully develop. 

I also hope the writers don't neglect Dante's relationship with the boys in favor of Jason's. I think the most I've liked Jason in a long time has been when he asked Dante for advice on parenting Danny through the loss.  It would be nice to get back to that.  And it should be Dante who makes the arrest for Sam's murder.

Poor Jeff Kober.  One day he's supposed to make Cyrus look diabolical, the next like he's genuinely mentally ill.  It's a good thing he's such a good character actor.

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So. Now that Willow is in wuv with Drew, Jason is a career criminal in her eyes? Uh-Huh. And when she was married to the SLS, Nina was the Uber EVUHL because he hated her for “breaking up his parents’ marriage” so of course Willow hated her too.

And she has Nooooo Problem with Jason when she pilfered drugs to treat his gunshot wound.

I’m seeing a pattern here…

And what values she’s teaching her spawn! It’s okay to commit adultery, oh wait, not adultery anymore since she is now separated for a couple months. Okay, but it’s still okay for her kids to see Mommy with someone who’s not Daddy, while Daddy is hurt and recovering far away. Yep. 

So both she and Sasha can get BENT. And this is someone who doesn’t give any blue dilly FUCKS about any of the people involved.

So will Nina actually tell Willow the truth about how Drew abso-totes has been lying to her? Or will we get a convenient interruption? I vote the latter.

And why does NO ONE tell Cyrus, HE was responsible for Lulu’s coma?!! He’s been totally neutered. Surely Kober can find work elsewhere?

Of COURSE Jaysus has to be the hero for his idiot son.

The only bright spot for me was Lucky and Elizabeth and Isaiah.

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When Kristina was almost bragging how it was only because of Elizabeth that she didn't go ballistic on Ava, I was like, fool, you should have, as that wouldn't have helped your dad's case at all.  These insufferable idiots and their 'all or nothing' custody dramas.

Speaking of, newsflash Sasha: if both Michael and Willow had affairs the judge would no doubt just award joint custody.  Again with the ridiculous 'all or nothing' mindset.  Willow, for as dumbed down as she's become, has never said she wants to take the kids away from Michael.

Speaking of him, every time Jason or Carly talks like Mikey will be back in a few months I wonder if Chad got told he could have an x number of time sabbatical and then if he doesn't want to come back, the role will be recast.  Because 'he's getting treatment' can't go on forever and it's really not in character that he would willingly just not come back.  

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Sasha wants Michael's kids waiting for him, which kids? Willows? Or her own because she's still saying Michael is letting her raise the baby on her own.

First she wanted nobody to know Michael was the father for safety and not the Quartermaines too. Now it's ok for the hitman and Quartermaines to be in the baby life? But Michael's kids with Willow aren't allowed safety. 

I hated how much the writers made Sasha suffer over the past few years, but let her lose this baby too courtesy of mobsters. She deserves it for stupidity, she and Michael cheated first. Lied about it first and lying about a bastard child. While she runs around attacking Willow and judging her choices and trying to keep her kids from her. 

Jason is going to now make Danny lie to everyone about this baby. Live the lie to the family who actually loved and was there for him while Jason chose to be dead. 

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12 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Speaking of him, every time Jason or Carly talks like Mikey will be back in a few months I wonder if Chad got told he could have an x number of time sabbatical and then if he doesn't want to come back, the role will be recast.  Because 'he's getting treatment' can't go on forever and it's really not in character that he would willingly just not come back.  

Michael could have setbacks that keep him in Germany for an indeterminate period of time. I wish they'd fish or cut bait here. CD doesn't want to commit to a return date? Fine, recast Michael. One actor shouldn't hold a story hostage like this. CD is not irreplaceable. The role of Michael is a big one, but they could kill him off if they wanted to. The show would not buckle.

12 hours ago, Artsda said:

Jason is going to now make Danny lie to everyone about this baby.

I really hope Danny blurts it out at the worst possible time for both Sasha and Jason. It's such a stupid secret, and everyone connected to it deserves as much grief as they can get.

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14 hours ago, GHScorpiosRule said:

And why does NO ONE tell Cyrus, HE was responsible for Lulu’s coma?!! He’s been totally neutered. Surely Kober can find work elsewhere?

 

I certainly hope he can. Based on the size of that  day-glow orange anvil that fell yesterday, I don't think he'll make it past the next sweeps period. (Anyone else suffering from a cracked skull?)

 

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45 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

Michael could have setbacks that keep him in Germany for an indeterminate period of time. I wish they'd fish or cut bait here. CD doesn't want to commit to a return date? Fine, recast Michael. One actor shouldn't hold a story hostage like this. CD is not irreplaceable. The role of Michael is a big one, but they could kill him off if they wanted to. The show would not buckle.

Agreed.  As time goes on it's going to feel more and more like a hostage situation for this story.  Because unless they kill off the character, his return is always going to loom large in a distracting way.

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I've always hated the "Jason is honorable and will claim babies that aren't his for....reasons" stories. It was stupid with Michael, it was stupid with Sam's baby and it's ridiculously dumb with Sasha's. Remember all the hours and hours of constipated tortured faces we got when he actually had a kid and couldn't claim him because of "the dangerz"? But it's okay for babies that aren't actually his I suppose (also that whole reasoning was stupid because Sonny was impregnating every female within a 5-mile radius like he was trying to win, or possibly lose, a bet with Nick Cannon and the only kid he didn't claim was with Sam because he didn't want Carly kicking his ass).  Also guessing Jake is now out of sight out of mind since Jason doesn't seem to care if he finds out about Sasha's baby, "I must tell Danny the truth!, I guess Jake will find out...meh, whenever". 

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39 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

Also guessing Jake is now out of sight out of mind since Jason doesn't seem to care if he finds out about Sasha's baby, "I must tell Danny the truth!, I guess Jake will find out...meh, whenever". 

I'm guessing Jason won't tell Danny that Sasha's baby isn't his because the boy couldn't keep himself from confronting Cyrus when he learned Cyrus killed his mom. Jason will likely figure Danny can't keep the info about the baby secret

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58 minutes ago, DanaK said:

I'm guessing Jason won't tell Danny that Sasha's baby isn't his because the boy couldn't keep himself from confronting Cyrus when he learned Cyrus killed his mom. Jason will likely figure Danny can't keep the info about the baby secret

I had the same thought, so I was pleasantly surprised that he and Sasha told Danny the truth together.  LOL at Danny's "Thank god" but it's sad he thinks he's had "great parents" - meaning Sam and Jason, not Dante.

As for today: UGH at Maxie referring to Frisco as "my dad", even if it's just to Frisco's replacement at the WSB. At least she acknowledged Frisco chose WSB life over her/a family.

I really liked the nuLulu - Dante scenes in Bobbie's. Poor Dante, feeling guilty about really laughing and enjoying a moment with his ex-wife. 

Highlights: Marty yelling at Anna, Anna telling Joss she can call Diane because she's under arrest for trespassing, and most of all Elizabeth and Lucky continuing/'finishing their dance although Cyrus watching them through the window was very creepy.

 

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Did Cyrus shoot Curtis?  (Cheers to him if he did.) Or did Trina actually remember that Taggart raised her? Kai and Gio both 'poor thing' Trina was too much for me so I was glad when Emma snapped back and took Gio away.

Speaking of babying, Nina I know that you are desperate to have a relationship with Willow but you need to stop babying her.

Lucas, Carly's longest relationships are with Sonny and Jason, men who lie to her or keep secrets from her all the time. It's her jam. Trying to save her is a lost cause.

Ditto Maxie warning Brennan to keep from hurting

Lulu, the correct response is "I don't actually work here so I will have to ask Carly or Joss if you can pass those out."

I like anvils as much as anyone but 🤢  at saying that both Gio and Dante have lovely eyelashes.

Shut up, Kristina. You don't have to tell the whole world how much you hate Ava. it would do you good to stop obsessing about it.

16 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

LOL at Danny's "Thank god" but it's sad he thinks he's had "great parents" - meaning Sam and Jason, not Dante.

Danny has been delusional about Jason since this return.

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17 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

I had the same thought, so I was pleasantly surprised that he and Sasha told Danny the truth together.

How did that go?   "We need to lie about the baby's paternity."  Why?  Because s/he's in great danger?  Sasha and Michael might look bad?   Because it's okay to lie to everyone else, but not your son?

I just want Carly to find out.  And her head to explode.

 

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7 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Did Cyrus shoot Curtis?  (Cheers to him if he did.) Or did Trina actually remember that Taggart raised her?

Yes, when Trina was played by SM - before the "Curtis is Trina's bio father" reveal. Cyrus, bleeding, broke into Portia and Trina's home and took them hostage to force Portia to give him medical care. 

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It cracks me up that everyone is acting like Willow and Drew committing ADULTERY!!1! is such a scandal. Like anyone doing the sneering hasn't done that themselves. Also, it's 2025. NO ONE CARES.

I don't see how Brennan is worse than Sonny, Jason, or Franco.

I'm getting really tired of Dante begging for news about Sam's murder investigation when he knows perfectly well Anna won't tell him anything. 

LOL at Kai telling Cyrus to beat it. Okay, big man. Butt into a situation you have no knowledge of whatsoever. I wish Cyrus had booped his shoulder and crippled him. 

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Anna telling Joss she can call Diane because she's under arrest for trespassing

So satisfying, not that it will make Girl Detective/Budding Secret Agent do anything differently. Anna should let Cyrus kill Joss. We'd all be happier.

Oh, it's hi-larious to see Lulu completely inept at serving people at Bobbie's. And she burned the toast! My sides hurt from laughing so hard. 

Good luck with Danny keeping the baby secret, Jason and Sasha.

38 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

I like anvils as much as anyone but 🤢  at saying that both Gio and Dante have lovely eyelashes.

I'm still digging myself out from under that anvil.

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5 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

It cracks me up that everyone is acting like Willow and Drew committing ADULTERY!!1! is such a scandal. Like anyone doing the sneering hasn't done that themselves. Also, it's 2025. NO ONE CARES.

I think it's mostly due to Drew's utterly unapologetic behavior about having sex with Michael's wife in the kids' playroom and then in Washington, when he had been acting like his relationship with nephew Michael as well as the family business were important to him.  Not to mention Tracy is totally right that Willow has no business wearing Lila's ring when she's clearly done with her marriage to Michael and wants to move on with Drew. It was gross seeing her wear Lila's ring that Michael gave her for their engagement, when she was making out with Drew.

Drew is incredibly nonchalant about breaking up a family. Willow is emotionally immature and inexperienced at healthy adult relationships, or she would realize neither Michael nor Drew have been good for her. 

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@Bringonthedrama, all of your points about Drew and Willow are valid. My comment is about the use of the word adultery as if it's the most deviant thing a person could do. 

Willow and Michael aren't divorced yet, so I don't think she should return the engagement ring. Maybe she wants to keep it to pass it on to Wiley or Amelia. Whatever, it's for Willow to return or not on her own accord. It's not up to Tracy to scream it off her finger.

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Lucky and Liz dancing at the end was the best part of the show for me. 💞
Hated seeing Cyrus peeking at them. JK does menacing so well though. 
Willow isn’t doing her children any favours by constantly moving them back and forth between the Quartermaines and Nina , especially when their father is an ocean away. 

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1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

It cracks me up that everyone is acting like Willow and Drew committing ADULTERY!!1! is such a scandal. Like anyone doing the sneering hasn't done that themselves. Also, it's 2025. NO ONE CARES.

 

the only thing it could hurt is Drew's non existant political career. and truthfully, because he's not like the ones in real life sleeping with tonnes of women or someone who he had authority over like it would blow over in a week. 

I saw the carly clip of her basically YOU SLEEPT WITH SOMEONE ELSE'S WIFE in the metrocourt and i am like is everyone supposed to clutch their pearls? this is legit the worst soap affair ever. like the only bright spot here was when the reveal happened and Tracy was legit acting like she was gonna eat popcorn.

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3 hours ago, ciarra said:

just want Carly to find out.  And her head to explode.

You know, if, whenever the truth comes out, it actually drives a wedge between Carly and Jason, I'd be up for that, despite how stupid this all is. I don't hold out high hopes that it will, but it would be great if, instead of her being all "of course you had to protect Michael's baby and his reputation," she's pissed that he kept her from knowing about her new possession grandchild. 

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I wish they'd have Tracy do something other than be the Q morality police, because she really shouldn't care as much as they're making her. Luke would be disappointed at Tracy's meddling; can someone please remind her of that? For all of his faults, he was a very live-and-let-live kind of guy, refusing to judge people's behavior, because he knew his wasn't that great either.

I don't understand why Tracy hasn't gone after Drew directly. She's supposed to have great political influence: Why isn't she using it to destroy his career? She can whisper in someone's ear to put him on the worst committees. She can talk to Curtis and help him with his plan to keep Drew out of Aurora. She can team with Laura to get the McConkey Promenade up and running somewhere other than Pier 52, killing the Drew and Sidwell birds with one stone. But no, she's making embarrassing scenes in restaurants by yelling at her adulterous niece-in-law. Ugh. Poor Jane Elliott.

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Loved the romantic note of the Liz/Lucky dance, even if a serial killer had his eyes on them.  The same with the Bobby's scenes between Dante and Lulu.  Their moment in the kitchen reminded me of the many romances that have launched at Kelly's, and felt like a rite of passage. I like that they're talking through Dante's grief together.

Joss was obnoxious with Anna.  I get that half of the town is investigating the same set of murders when the PCPD should be the only entity involved, and maybe Anna and the PCPD have earned that.  But get some humility, Joss.  

I don't really like Willow, but I find myself caught up in her relationship with Nina, and the sad fact that neither of these women had supportive relationships in their lives when they needed them.  So I'm going to root for theirs, at least for a while.

I love Maxie, and was glad to be reminded of her relationship with the WSB now that there's a branch in town.  Also love her matchmaking, but expect disaster.

Finally, Tracy and Alexis were good together, and I was happy to see a callback to something that happened years ago.  But I'm left with a mystery.  When Alexis pulled Tracy away from Nina and Willow's table, Tracy said to Alexis, "I'm not here to have dinner with you!"  So, who was she there to have dinner with?

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This show is so predictable. Knew Nina wouldn’t confess to Willow after Tracy interrupted them.

And Willow thinks what Nina wanted to tell her was that she now likes Drew? What part of “this will hurt” or painful (can’t recall exact words would lead this ninny to think that was what Nina was going to tell her? 
 

Yeah, Cyrus should definitely be scared when threatened by kids.🤣🤣 Danny and now Kai thinking they could order around a murderer and drug king pin?

Add Sasha to the idiot pile. Does she really think Jason will stop working for Mooby because he’s agreed to lie that he’s the sperm donor for her spawn?

Loved Martin yelling at Anna-and her deer in the headlights expression just made me 🙄🙄🙄🙄 though I did enjoy her telling idiot Joss she could wait to call Diane. 

The only parts that interested me were the scenes with Lucky and Elizabeth.

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