Episode Discussion II: The TFGH

[JMO]

I may be in the minority, but today's episode was the type I enjoy, where the conflicts arise naturally to the situation (even when the situation itself is unnatural), and the characters simply respond to them.

It was natural for Lulu to be conflicted over her feelings for Dante and her unearned guilt over Sam's death. 

It was natural for Kai to suffer over the uncertainty of his future, and it was natural for Trina to want to help him look for an alternative to football.  That put them into conflict, but it made sense on both ends.

It was natural for Dante to want to investigate Sam's death, and natural for Anna to deny it to him.

It was natural for there to be environmental issues holding up the waterfront project, and it was natural for Curtis and Jordan to have wrongly assumed otherwise.

And, to me, it was natural for Cody to try to look out for Sasha.  He thinks Jason is the father, and he hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

[TVbitch]

Did I miss the scenes where Trina and Kai became best friends or boyfriend/girlfriend. The bumbling way she is stalking his hospital room, trying to solve his problems, and pep talk him all the time is a bit much. 

I agree Anna should take Dante off the case, but how can she do it with a straight face when she was literally sleeping with Valentin the entire time she was investigating him. 

[ciarra]

1 hour ago, YaddaYadda said:

Also, Cody is one of the most unpleasant characters there is.

He'd have to get in line behind noted bigot Natalia, who I want to smack every time I see her.

[Bringonthedrama]

8 minutes ago, JMO said:

 

And, to me, it was natural for Cody to try to look out for Sasha.  He thinks Jason is the father, and he hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

[absnow54]

9 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

Hey, at least he went to Anna with his knowledge and isn’t trying to extort anyone to make a buck. That was my first assumption when he overheard the news. 

[KittyQ]

Wouldn't Curtis, having regained the ability to walk, be a good person for Kai to talk to about the challenges he faces? Does the hospital have a social worker or counselor that Kai could talk to about losing his football dream? And does he have parents??

At this point, I can't believe anyone would seriously consider Sonny "the safest" parent for a kid. Ava's not a great mother, but at least (for the moment) she isn't involved in a mob or revenge scenario. But the better choice might be for BLQ and Chase to take Avery in, solving 2 problems at one time. 

[dubbel zout]

58 minutes ago, JMO said:

[Cody] hasn't been in PC long enough to have become enamored of the mob enforcer.

Cody hasn't been in PC long enough to know anything about Jason except that he's a mob enforcer. Cody is jumping to all sorts of conclusions, nearly all of which are incorrect. They aren't based in any sort of logic: It's all what he thinks he's seeing and hearing, and they're mostly misplaced projections of his own anger and frustration that being cousins with Sasha has taken away their chance at a romantic relationship. Cody is an idiot.

Adding to what @Bringonthedrama wrote.

Edited Friday at 10:26 PM by dubbel zout

[Prairie Rose]

I did get a kick out of a real, authentic hospital detail on today's show...did anyone else notice Kai wearing those tan grippy socks? 😁

[JMO]

36 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

But he's not looking out for Sasha. He went behind her back, mouthing off his (wrong) assumptions about Sasha and Jason as fact to Maxie and Lulu and now Anna. He's jealous/resentful of Jason for getting Sasha "in trouble" and wants Mac to get Robert to come back and handle things for poor, helpless, alone Sasha (how Cody clearly sees her). You would think Sasha is a tween or young teen girl who got pregnant by her teacher or a TA, from how angry and out-of-line he is behaving.

I believe he went to them because they are her family, and even though he is technically also her family, the situation between them---especially as it looks to him that she's moved on into another relationship already---is not conducive to his confronting her directly.  That makes sense to me.    

[statsgirl]

I'm bored with Drew and Curtis squabbling. I'm bored with the Avery custody battle. I feel nothing for Lulu thinking that she's in love with Dante after having been so nasty to him in Prague. And I don't care about Kai and his pain.

It's sad when the best thing about the episode was Brad at the gym.

5 hours ago, driver18 said:

As for Willow. Sasha is NOT trying to keep the children from her. She is only trying to ensure that Michael doesn't lose the children. She thinks the kids should have both parents in their lives. Right now Sasha believes Michael will recover and soon, and she doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize his chances of getting joint custody.

Sasha has already kept the kids from Willow first by hiding them in the main house and later not telling Willow where they are.  That will jeopardize Michael's court case because an unbiased judge will not look kindly on Willow's kids being kept from her for no good reason at a time when their father is not available. Right now, if Willow takes it to court, she will get sole custody because Michael is not just out of the country, he is in no shape to take custody of them.*

Sasha says that Willow's kids should have both parents in their lives but that her own child should have only her. That's very Carly logic.

* I don't get the obsession that this show has with shared custody. Unless you're Sonny or Carly, sole custody doesn't mean that the child doesn't get to see or live with the non-custodial parent.. Shared custody can be had hard on the child if the parents are fighting or if one is out of the country and can't be reached for a decision that needs to be made immediately.

[Bringonthedrama]

23 minutes ago, JMO said:

I believe he went to them because they are her family, and even though he is technically also her family, the situation between them---especially as it looks to him that she's moved on into another relationship already---is not conducive to his confronting her directly.  That makes sense to me.    

He has no business confronting her directly because Sasha's choices (like the ONS with Michael) and her pregnancy are none of his business. She's not a minor and he's not her parent/elder sibling or the baby's father. He's just acting entitled because he still has feelings for her and resents that she's moving on with her life. He got mad at Maxie because she didn't tell him Sasha's pregnant (almost like "how could you not tell me she cheated on me?"), and she rightly told him it was not her place to share what Sasha told her in confidence.

He also knows that Sasha just found out Robert is her father shortly before Robert left town with Holly, so they didn't put in the time together to build a father-daughter relationship. Sasha has expressed her thoughts/wishes regarding Robert to someone she trusts - Felicia - in private. She never confided in Cody, never asked for his opinion, and he certainly never saw or heard her sobbing "woe is me, I'm so sorry baby that your father has abandoned us." The acting in the scene with Anna screamed to me, "I'm angry, hurt and jealous and I feel Sasha's father should come back to force Jason to do right by her."

 

[dubbel zout]

52 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

Sasha says that Willow's kids should have both parents in their lives but that her own child should have only her. That's very Carly logic.

So Michael's family are apparently okay for Michael's kids with Willow but not Sasha's? Alrighty then.

Edited Friday at 11:25 PM by dubbel zout

[JMO]

14 minutes ago, Bringonthedrama said:

The acting in the scene with Anna screamed to me, "I'm angry, hurt and jealous and I feel Sasha's father should come back to force Jason to do right by her."

 

I see that, yes.  I also know that the entire situation is unique, and I understand Cody's reaction to it. 

It's not likely we'll agree, but how boring would it be to have a discussion board where everyone thinks alike?

[Sake614]

Did I imagine Sonny basically agreeing to Ric’s request and everyone completely ignoring him? I clearly heard him say ‘let’s do it’ followed by everyone continuing to talk. And then as he almost had another heart attack, he went back to ‘see you in court.’ At least Diane told him that Ava has a stronger case than he does because of the bomb and the only reason he still has custody is because Avery wasn’t in the penthouse when it went kaboom . But Kristina can jump right off that high horse she’s riding. Avery should be with Sonny? Sonny is the better parent? Please spare me.

so from the previews, it finally dawned on Trina to call Curtis to talk to Kai. Why the hell didn’t Portia think of that? I suppose Curtis will reach out to the miracle doctor, who will perform his miracle surgery on Kai, thus ensuring he can play football again. He and Trina will fall madly in love as a result.  I want to like this guy but honestly the character is just so milquetoast. There’s no ‘there’ there. 

of course Drew wants to settle things in the boxing ring rather than have an actual adult conversation and explain the environmental issues to Curtis. And of course Curtis tipped his hand to Drew about his plan to sabotage Drew’s congressional career. Intelligent is not a word that has ever been used to describe Curtis. 

I understand Lulu is still in love with Dante. For her it’s only been since yesterday that she told Maxie she wanted to get back together with him. Just because everyone else has moved on doesn’t mean she has. I liked Laura’s advice to her about loving him as a friend. But then that all went straight to hell when she walked in on BLQ and Dante in the barn.

Do these writers truly not remember things they wrote? Cody just told BLQ that he hadn’t seen or thought of her until he started working for the Qs. I get not thinking about her for years if the last time they saw each other was as teens, but even that’s a retcon. We SAW them introduce themselves to each other after Cody parachuted into the MC pool. And even if they did know each other, that was well before he started working there. I just can’t with this nonsense anymore. Just like I can’t deal with him parading around town spilling Sasha’s pregnancy and his stupid assumption that it’s Jason’s baby and  Jason has to step up and do the right thing. It’s none of his damn business who the father is or what the father does or doesn’t do. It’s Sasha’s decision and hers alone! Gah! Why does this show insist on taking place in the 1940s and 50s?????

[statsgirl]

It seems like Cody was more into their relationship than Sasha was because other than the drunken ONS stand with Michael, Sasha has moved on and on. Maybe it's because Sasha had a healthier upbringing from her grandmother or maybe because she's more settled in Port Charles or maybe she's looking forward to her baby but she seems to have been able to move on from Cody while he is still stuck in the anger and regret and the ties to Sasha which could be where the demand that Jason step up and take care of her comes from.

3 hours ago, KittyQ said:

At this point, I can't believe anyone would seriously consider Sonny "the safest" parent for a kid. Ava's not a great mother, but at least (for the moment) she isn't involved in a mob or revenge scenario. But the better choice might be for BLQ and Chase to take Avery in, solving 2 problems at one time. 

There's no reason to keep Avery from Ava other than Sonny's babyhoarding and vindictiveness.  Ava loves Avery and Avery loves her back. This plot is so stupid. Exponentially stupid to make Ava broke.

[Cheyanne11]

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

There's no reason to keep Avery from Ava other than Sonny's babyhoarding and vindictiveness. 

It's so gross.  It's like they're all Stepford Corinthii repeating "Avery cannot live with Ava, Ava bad" without actually explaining exactly WHY she's so bad. Maybe because the reason is simply a vengeful "we don't like her, so we want to hurt her."

[jsbt]

I mean I think they're both pretty dangerous people, but no one is actively shooting up or firebombing Ava's place lately. Would it kill me if a judge awarded say, Lucas with custody though? Nope.

Edited 19 hours ago by jsbt

[Bringonthedrama]

1 hour ago, Sake614 said:

Do these writers truly not remember things they wrote? 

This is the only logical conclusion IMO. 

[tessaray]

If it was my custody case, I'd want the judge to know just how much time Avery was spending with the nanny and ex-stepmother - who isn't even in the freaking country. How is Ava worse than that? Sigh.

I did have to laugh at Brad though. He was the best part of the episode for me.

[nilyank]

Cody knows that BLQ was pregnant with Dante's baby. Say what now?

[Artsda]

Anna needs a shrink more than Dante.  She has the audacity to put him on leave and say he needs to see a doctor?

She helped Valentine escape with her mob enforcer. 

She then again with her mob bestie went after Martin for information that she should have been disciplined for. 

Then because Jack had audacity to say hello to Emma when being introduced to her she chained him up and attacked him too. 

But Dante is a problem? 

Edited 7 hours ago by Artsda

[DanaK]

11 hours ago, tessaray said:

I did have to laugh at Brad though. He was the best part of the episode for me.

Those scenes were weird, at least the first few. We get a few seconds of him working out without conversing with others, then they would go on to other scenes. It's like he got dropped in to fill some time that they needed

[sashabear21]

Recently upgraded to Hulu with no ads and now I really miss the ads when watching this show! 

Jason, Sasha's maybe 3 months along and Michael is unable to be a father to the kids he does acknowledge at the moment so there's really no reason to hop a flight to Germany and wake him up from a medically induced coma causing him excruciating pain to ask questions about something that's really nunya in the first place. I mean remember the kid you have who recently lost his mother? Maybe stick around for him instead of running off to Germany. Although who am I kidding, Jason already forgot about, Denny? David? Dean? about 5 seconds after Sam was in the ground. 

Also on the list of people who have forgotten they have a son, shut up Lulu! 

Do the wardrobe people hate Brook Lynn? The whole dark colored blouses tucked half in and half out like a business casual mullet are not in the least bit flattering. I understand if the actress doesn't want to wear the same kind of stripper outfits she wore on OLTL, nor would it make sense for the character, but they could dress her better.  I mean a dress and a cardigan would look nice as well as look professional since BLQ is all businesswoman now. AS is a beautiful woman and they're dressing her in shit my grandma would have cast off as too dowdy when she was 95.  

Drew wanting to "settle things in the ring" is hysterical since I'm pretty sure Curtis could mop the floor with him even if he had the flu, a sprained ankle and hysterical blindness. But what an effing juvenile way to try and settle things, is Drew gonna ask him to race for pink slips next? 

Valentin, you're a Cassadine and they toy with their enemies by taking away or harming the people they care about, so yeah Carly is literally in the same hotel, I can't help you out with the room number, but it's the one with the most hideous wallpaper I believe I've ever seen (and I grew up in the 70's).  Now go take care of that business and then please just take Charlotte to go live on the moon. 

[dubbel zout]

15 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Maybe because the reason is simply a vengeful "we don't like her, so we want to hurt her."

That's TOTALLY the reason. I don't expect Diane to use that in court, but you'd think privately everyone would admit it. Kristina has come the closest, but she's more concerned with getting justice for losing the baby. I'm not sure she'd be as adamantly against Ava otherwise. She might side with Sonny just to keep the peace in that case.

44 minutes ago, DanaK said:

Those scenes were weird, at least the first few. We get a few seconds of him working out without conversing with others, then they would go on to other scenes. It's like he got dropped in to fill some time that they needed

i thought the same thing, and wondered if I'd missed a few seconds of the show before that. So bizarre.

[ciarra]

53 minutes ago, sashabear21 said:

I can't help you out with the room number, but it's the one with the most hideous wallpaper I believe I've ever seen

Well, Anna's wallpaper is right up there for hideous, too.

But this is a luxury German hotel suite.  One with many doors.  And a shelving unit full of cheap knick knacks. 

[tessaray]

1 hour ago, DanaK said:

Those scenes were weird, at least the first few. We get a few seconds of him working out without conversing with others, then they would go on to other scenes. It's like he got dropped in to fill some time that they needed

I didn't even notice but I guess his scene with Portia was fresh enough in my mind that it still made sense. (I'd rather have filler with Brad than scenes with at least half of the rest of the cast.)

[GHScorpiosRule]

Just how many times are we going to have to see Jaysus be “daddy” to a child that’s not his? First it was the SLS, then it was Mooby’s spawn with Sam, and now Sasha’s spawn with the SLS? 

For once, I am on Anna’s side. Dante has no business investigating Sam’s murder. But it’s a trope that’s been around for DECADES. Not that I think Dante would kill Cyrus, but he probably would violate his civil rights. Because that’s how Teevee rolls. And the situation of Anna fucking Valentin while supposedly investigating him is apples and oranges.

I’m just so happy to see JJ in the credits even on days he’s not on the show.🥰😍😍🥰

Whaaaat?

Edited 4 hours ago by GHScorpiosRule