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Even when they gave Miranda a short lived relationship with Dr. Robert Leeds, they just had to have her notice him beaming while watching the 20 year old cheerleader with long blond hair shake it. Then I remembered that scene where Carrie met someone she was seeing at a park and he had a friend with him. Miranda said something about being out of town on whatever day they were discussing and the friend made a guttural noise and said why would anyone want to leave the city. Miranda said I like the city, I also happen to like the country. Then he said something else off-putting and Miranda was off to feed her cat. The rude dude shook his head and dismissively said "Cat people". All that to say they portrayed Miranda as the one least likely to twist herself in knots to be liked by a man. Samantha was just as unlikely to dim her light or give up any of her autonomy to be liked by a man as I saw it, yet they had her fawn all over those firemen and sailors etc. I had trouble reconciling that. And that time they had Samantha look around the restaurant where she was sitting alone and self-consciously pull her coal collar up around her neck and then dissolve into tears when the guy she was meeting was a no-show... I think she even said "everyone is looking" as the waiter cleaned up spilled wine? I wondered what aliens came out of their pods and abducted the real writers that day.

This is so true. The thing Steve had going for him is that he wanted a lasting relationship with Miranda from the beginning. He was willing to meet her where she was... really wary of N.Y. guys and give her time and space to come around. Would I have like it better if they gave her a tall handsome fellow attorney or other professional husband? Sure.

Yep. I guess that why they didn't give her real relationships until Steve. I'm actually hearing a little speech Miranda made in my head when Steve was still on her couch whilst looking for a place after they'd broken up. She was taking messages for him! She said: It's amazing, A 30-whatever unemployed bartender sleeping on someone's couch is considered a catch while an attorney with a great job who owns her own apartment is spending Saturday nights alone. Something like that.

Reflecting on why Miranda's friends might have acted like she better get back with Steve if she wants to be married / not be alone... I can't think of another relationship the writers gave Miranda? Unless you count Skip, but they never really showed them doing couple things or making plans for the future. They ran into each other a couple of times. Other than that... the cop who left her the AA info, the angry law partner, the bozo with the kid that told her to just go away, Mr No Boundries, and the out of towner she saw once before and after she had Brady. They were all basically one night stands. There was Blair Underwood / Dr. Robert. I guess he was her only boyfriend other than Steve.

Right? Can you imagine being married to someone you were on again off again with for 10 years (but lets face it Carrie always wanted Big), and recalling events of the past having to say was that while you were with that actress Willow? Was that during the time you were married to Natasha? Damn, that would be deflating. You called him generous and I think I called him generous as well, but I was just thinking of what Big bought Carrie over the years and all I can remember is that ugly bejeweled purse. Was it a duck? He didn't even know her fashion sense! When I think of Mr Big ... wasn't his business real estate?, I can't help but think of a certain high profile, real estate developer, twice divorced, mogul type who used to be in the press often... long long before any TV show or political campaign. lol

Yes, we're on the same wavelength as far as Big's motivation to settle down when he'd had his fill of N.Y. nightlife and dating and after his heart related scare. He didn't care that he wasted 10 years of Carrie's life and that those 10 years were the ones she needed to decide if she wanted children or not and act on it with someone who wanted the same things out of life. She didn't want children in the end; as I recall there was that moment when she was with Alex when she considered whether she was "a baby person"... but Big never seemed concerned about what Carrie might want. It was all on his terms when he was good and ready, because there was no downside for him. That's what I mean when I speculate a real life Big wouldn't have been such a nice guy as Big was portrayed to be on the show in practically every other way. A real life Big would have probably wanted a little carbon copy of himself and children to carry on his legacy. After all, his life wouldn't have to change very much married with children or without... it's not like he'd be doing the actual childcare. Carrie might have been imagining she was choosing a jet setting life free and unencumbered by children and their schedules, but Big just wanted to stay in and sit on the couch after they were married. Though I try to block those awful movies out of my mind, I recall him saying to Carrie "I've seen the city" something about for the past 30 years... when she tried to drag him to a premiere. Smith's Jarrod's movie premiere?

I feel about the same I'd watch this actress in something else, but honestly if something happens and the show doesn't return I won't miss it. I don't feel invested in any of these patients and the thing I most want Brook to do... right up there with stop drinking, is MOVE! (so Colin won't know how to find her)

When I think about what man I would have liked for Carrie... I really didn't care for any of them. I find the actor Chris Noth very likeable, therefor I always felt he was woefully miscast as Big. I always see a nice guy when I look at him no matter what he's acting in. The character Big was a user who took up 10 of Carrie's years while giving her no assurances anything would come of it, knowing she was crazy in love with him... because he could. Being a 40 something handsome rich guy in NYC he wasn't going to give up any of his options until he tired himself out. In real life his only motivation to settle down with one woman probably would have been to have children and a legacy. She had to see him date and even marry other women! Only in badly written fiction does this result in marrying a very wealthy man who affords you the lifestyle to which you've always wanted to become accustomed, and all you have to do is move the pillows around! Not to mention such a person probably wouldn't have been as nice, giving and just generally decent as Big was depicted in practically every other scenario. I never could see Carrie and Aiden together as they seemed to have nothing in common and Alex appeared to have so little regard for her as a person. Of course the writers hit us over the head with that in Paris, but even before when they were still in NYC she seemed to be twisting herself in knots to be acceptable to him. He's done with New York, he doesn't want to be asked about his art... pul-ease!

I don't know anything about the new show. I remember a year or two ago running across discussions of who was onboard... notably not Kim Catrell, but then there was so much written about the why's and wherefores and I never actually read what the new project would be. I'm afraid to look into it and maybe get curious and watch. I wish I'd never seen the movies!

This makes sense. Incidentally, I just looked up Candace Bushnell's net worth and it's stated as 50 mil! Perhaps she mingled with, dated + married or even came from a much more moneyed crowd. If not, and she made it all herself that's a lot of money to make from writing 10 books. Kudos to her. Before Googling that I was about to say some things that no doubt have already been covered here: Like Carrie would have been using her oven and not to store sweaters in but to feed herself between dates and that trips to the thrift store would have been THE way she came upon designer clothes rather than done on an occasional lark ... They wrote Carrie as hesitant to take Big's money when they were unmarried and even had Samantha (and possibly Miranda?) urging her not to take his check / loan to buy her apartment because it would give him power over her... something like that. There's a disconnect there as the books came after the apartment buying debacle IIRC? In truth to live as she did she'd have had to be writing books that did well all along.

Thank you.

Right? I just started reading, but I'm sure much has been said about Carrie's lifestyle she afforded on the one job of writing a sex column buried at the back of a newspaper. [it was only later they got published in a book]. Loads of $400 shoes and eating and drinking out and that looked like a pretty decent apartment. Carrie said how much she loved her neighborhood / block. One thing that always gets me thinking when watching the reruns, and I should just Google this, but it's more fun to ask. Does anyone remember how much longer the original HBO episodes were? I find myself trying to remember the parts they cut out for network TV,

I just started reading this topic after some lovely person provided the link when I commented on The Family Stone. (something about Carrie's numerous needless screams). Would Miranda have been with someone like Steve? I'm watching the edited reruns on the E channel and the episode just aired where Miranda decides to keep the baby and in a less dramatic story line Charlotte and Trey attend the Scottish Highland fling. There's a lot of competition for the least plausible relationship, isn't there? Young, handsome, rich, doctor Trey finds Charlotte (depicted as the least sexual, least adventurous one who believes in "the Rules" and all that B.S.). He can afford a spacious luxury apartment on the upper east side of NYC and is not interested in having relations with his wife and doesn't mind if she has dalliances with the gardener... when they're at the country house, that is. At times, he'll just have to look the other way, he says. Big and Carrie? Imagine part of your history as a couple are memories like these... remember when you took up with that actress, Willow? and you were so crazy you just had to interrupt my weekend with Aiden to discuss the green eye / red panty connection? or that time your business trip to Paris (that you thought I over-reacted to) resulted in you bringing back a whole WIFE? Samantha and Smith Jarrod [formally Jerry Jarrod] ? At 45 Samantha just had to let a tall, blond, tanned, fit, successful actor at least 10-15 years her junior who she had great chemistry with, who insisted on being faithful to her even when offered a hall pass... but saw her home after her assignation with Richard [at HIS party] made her cry, and was so tender and devoted and supportive throughout her battle with cancer and gave her gifts from the blooming Paperwhites to that 50k diamond ring that annoyed her so... go, so she could "find herself"? Miranda with a demanding career like law linking up with someone with a service job, bartending and later being a bar owner... doesn't even seem so unbelievable when viewed alongside this mishigas above!

In what was supposed to be their last session (the one before he showed up on her doorstep), Dr. Brook said to Colin "That's all the time we have. "That's all the time I have. Goodbye." That was right after he revealed he went through keeping up a charade as one half of a couple trying everything short of invitro to conceive, when in actuality he'd undergone a vasectomy and kept that from his wife. Clearly this is a person who doesn't know right from wrong and it came across loud and clear Dr. Brook was done. I don't see this woman we've gotten to know speaking to him ever again! ...and I don't see her writing anything on his behalf suggesting he's reformed or that he's unlikely to repeat his crimes Why is this still going on?

Same here, Eladio is the least interesting patient to me possibly followed by Laila. I find myself drifting off to sleep or being distracted by other things during their sessions. Colin hold's my attention only because he's infuriating. By process of elimination I guess that makes the interaction between Brook and Adam the most interesting? Her sponsor Rita is just too much. I've never seen this actress who plays Dr Brook Taylor in anything before but I'm enjoying her performances. ...and yes, her wardrobe is fire! Excellent job of dressing a fuller figured body type than we usually see in female leads. Yet every look is not loose flowing tunics. Kudos! That gray suit... The cream ensemble... and she absolutely glowed in that raspberry colored long dress

My cable was out Saturday night through Sunday night so I watched it online and I think I might have seen 5+6???? I think your question relates to Brook week 6 episode 24 which hasn't been broadcast yet, so I'll put it behind a spoiler tag.

Every word of this! Dr Brook wouldn't have let him in, let him use her bathroom and sat still for him pouring himself a drink and she definetely wouldn't have consumed the one he poured her. She knows his sense of right and wrong is completely off nonexistent and he thinks that anything that gets him the end result he wants is justifiable. I wouldn't even be comfortable with that sicko knowing where I reside, much less coming over for therapy sessions. I'm beginning to be scared for her because she keeps saying she's not going to see him again and then she see's him again and he keeps pushing back against her boundaries and she weakens her resolve. He's going to continue on with that you don't really mean that... I know you feel it too BS.

Um, why are we seeing scenes from next week with Colin? Brook said: It's our last session. That's all the time we have. Goodbye. She totally has his number(Narcissist ...and conman) and it sure seems like she's not about to tell anyone he's changed one bit. So what else is there?

Thumps head' Of course, there are SATC threads. I didn't even think of that. Please tell me it's just the series represented here and NOT the movies! It really seems that on the episodes where she has an executive producer credit... she's getting that scream in there.

I've just read every word of this thread looking for exactly this! He was menacing as he moved toward his sister and said you're all going to pull your fangs out of her and realize she's someone who means a lot to me. (paraphrasing) wow. ...and I like SJP just fine. I think she gave a lot of life to the series SATC and I liked her in Hocus Pocus and Extreme measures (though that Divorce mess on HBO was unforgivable), but has anyone one else noticed the inordinate amount of times she's screamed that horrid shrill scream in her various roles? In SATC when she saw a squirrel at Aiden's cabin, when she slipped and fell in the pond in the park walking with Big, in the opening of the ep. "The Catch" when she's practicing the flying trapeze and in this movie being discussed in the car when it slips out of gear, as well as in the movie Failure To Launch when she sees a chipmunk? What is up with all the screaming?

This is so true. I wanted to state I'm not feeling it, but thought that's not very generous... I should wait and give the show a chance. Though it does say something that I (like others) am noticing the apartment, and her wardrobe choices and not thinking I want to see what happens next with this or that character. I have the earlier seasons 1-3 on DVD. The shows were compelling from the beginning.

That dreadful show The Girlfriend Experience was playing in the background (only because I was busy and hadn't changed channels when the movie I was watching ended) and I heard the most extreme case of vocal fry ever and thought... where do I know that voice from? I know that voice! It was the eldest Solomander, Whitney! She too has gone blonde.

I just posted this interview with Ricky Whittle about s3+s4 on the media thread. Apparently he still thought there would be a s4 very recently. The 1st commenter had something to say about Shadow's "other" Can't say I understand it but here it is below. John I. posted: "They've deviated from the book...Shadow Moon's "other half" is his mother...the goddess Libertas. Baldr's light always shines.....Shadow's does not...but the light of liberty will always shine on those that seek it. That's why Laura sees him...she was seeking him...but mainly to be free."

I just watched this interview with Ricky Whittle about American Gods season 3 and 4. It sounds like he'd been told there would be a season 4. Interestingly, even R.W. states Shadow was "void of personality, charisma a shell of a man. He's broken." in s1, when he discusses the planned evolution for his character over the seasons. He also states "I do know what's going to happen in a season 4" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xxO43lNjtl0 Damn. He must have been as disappointed as the rest of us when he heard the news.

Yes! That's why the last line of my post stated they should have been much more discerning with bringing in all kinds of new story lines, especially the ones that never went anywhere. I'd read somewhere when I was looking for any info about whether s4 would happen that N.Gaiman and some producer or show runner whose name escapes me now, were planning x,y,+z around a s4 happening. However at some point with cues around like declining ratings and production not exactly being a smooth running ship and going into production of s3 with absolutely no assurances from Starz, they should have had a plan B that wouldn't leave the audience with nothing but unresolved questions, wondering what we'd invested so much time in. The absolute crap they wasted time on! @$&#% You can't even say they had to introduce Demeter to bring Tyr in because Odin and Tyr once competed for her affections, because again he could have just showed up at Zoraya's send off. So whyyyy? and what is with the freaking teeth [now that he's dead]? It does seem Cordelia was possibly meant to be more than Odin's driver and girl Friday, but if you're not going to reveal how she's more than that, why even get started down that path? (I like her, though) Earlier in the season when M. Manson was being cut because of Evan Rachael Wood's accusations, no one seemed to think it would affect the show's course much... so again, why waste time on it? They brought Sam BlackCrow back into Shadow's orbit and we saw the fiery orbs around them and we still have absolutely no idea what that's about? Then there's the old lady midwife on about Shadow's "other" and the song, the buffalo with fire eyes, the peacock, unsettled Leprechaun business and the whole damned list! Most importantly, what are Laura and Bilquis teaming up on? That's all aside from the main mystery of dead Odin coming back and Shadow (apparently) being killed and trouble between the Tech Gods! So many totally bewildering choices of what to devote time to in what could very well be the final season. They obviously didn't care if they left the audience frustrated, which is pretty shitty. P.S. even I, who felt Laura Moon was motivated by love of her husband of 4 years when trying to keep him out of danger when he was working for Wednesday... am not looking for a Shadow and Laura as soul mates resolution. I don't see how they could possibly ignore each of them being over the other and going their seperate ways, because that's what they've shown. I didn't even think of that when their images were shown morphed together. Maybe in time she'd some how get him down from the tree, maybe with a God or Goddess's help? but it HAS to mean something else.