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Thanks. That's what came to my mind too... but I thought it must be a wrong interpretation because a love interest probably wouldn't ask why are you still my friend?

I got that he wiped the residue left in the vessel on his gums, so as to get every bit of his lessened dose of the "PTS cocktail". ...but I could be wrong. When Billy and Isaac were talking (prior to Isaac going out onto the ice), at one point Isaac moved towards Billy and Billy said "Isaac don't". It was after Billy answered Isaac's question about why he's still his friend by saying because you're the only one left in this town that makes me feel like I'm worth anything (paraphrasing). What was Billy trying to stop Isaac doing? Re: the significance of the jacket that bore the #51 that Sheriff Dell hid? The Kid that fought Billy said #51 Linebacker... we played you at county, senior year... So it looks like someone was trying to frame Billy for killing whoever was laying there [at The mill] dead. Damn that kid has some bad luck. ETA: The dead body is apparently the Officer Sheriff Dell fired, Pete Novick.

🤔I see what you're saying, and I'm sure that's why Trey did nice things like tell everyone Charlotte was a wonderful wife and that's also why he showed up to the photo shoot with a smile on his face and made her dream of looking like the ideal beautiful young couple in House and Garden magazine happen. However even if he and his family are really wealthy, I still can't see a man giving a gift worth several million to someone he's known what, under a year? He did joke about having to eat Ramen noodles if they went with Charlotte's first choice of china pattern... which I'm sure was just a joke. Still, I don't believe wealthy people do such frivolous things with money as gift N.Y.C. apartments worth several million. It just didn't seem believable to me. You know what also bugged me? When Charlotte said "Oh I paid for that apartment!"

IDK, I have to take a bit of an opposing view on this. I too heard Trey say to Charlotte, It's standard, everyone in the family has one. (paraphrasing). However I can't see Trey not concerning himself at all with the wording of the prenup and then taking such a stand with Bunny(and the attorney representing him) that he intervenes in the settlement proceedings with a last minute telegram from overseas. I'm betting if Trey and Charlotte discussed china patterns, they discussed having children. A couple of things: accomplished men like doctors are rarely also tall, athletic, and good looking. So this good looking doctor isn't set on passing his genes down to children who will carry his name? That would make him an exceedingly rare individual. Secondly, while a doctor in Manhattan no doubt earns very well, he still is a person who goes to work every day. He's not one of the idle rich. Who has 5, 10, maybe even 20 million to gift a woman they've been married to for a few months? That divorce settlement would've set all kinds of world records!

SO TRUE. Can you imagine having signed on to do the 2nd SATC movie with people you trusted (the writers and producers), and then having to act that drivel? The woman deserves a medal! ... and damages.

Trey. OMG was that some shitty writing, or what? Trey's interest in having a child was so surface and so fleeting that at the first sign of Charlotte being a little more emotional than usual while on bloody Estrogen shots... that's it. Done. Over. Doesn't even want to talk about adoption. He said: I'd be alright if it was just the two of us, but I don't think you would be. (paraphrasing) Yet the prenup Charlotte had Miranda look over specified how much of a half mil (later changed to a mil) Charlotte would get for each year they stayed married what was it after 10 years? or of 10 years? Anyway the relevant part (to this convo) being it paid a 50k bonus for each boy child. At lunch the girls asked "for girls?" and Miranda replied "nothing". Does that really sound like someone who has only a casual interest in having children? 2nd point. Trey knew he had a history of impotence. Being a doctor and probably in his mid to late thirties; wouldn't he have likely had himself checked out nice and quietly by a doctor he knew prior to meeting someone, marrying them and introducing a document that has clauses relevant to her producing children from said marriage? Then after a marriage that lasted what, a few months? Trey insists Charlotte be given an apartment that was probably worth several million dollars. Could have been 10 or 20 million. as long as I've been alive men have been getting married less and less because they fear losing half of everything they own and some of their future earnings in divorce court. ... but Dr. Trey McDougal insists Charlotte profit by about 2 or 3 million for each month of their brief marriage? Yeah, sure! I believe that.

Yes, she said something like you've read my columns before and he said yes, but not all in one sitting, that was tough to take. (something like that... again,paraphrasing). I just wonder where all that insight went after the S.F. book talk s5 ep7 ? They have him discussing all their ups and downs since the beginning including when he wouldn't give her a key to his apartment. That didn't seem like Big and I never again saw signs of this newfound awareness and reticence to hurt Carrie. I know we're discussing the series here and not so much the movies (and believe me I'd like to forget them), but when Charlotte squeals with delight in that restaurant scene in the 1st movie she says "she has been going out with the man for 10 years!" So after the finale where he went to Paris to get her they went back to seeing each other (no doubt completely on his terms). If they had lived together I doubt Charlotte would have referred to it as 10 years of going out with him. IDK. `shrugs`

I don't actually recall which happened first ... Big's heart thing or their meet up in S.F.. Either way, Carrie had experienced plenty of hurt as a result of wanting something heavy and exclusive with Big and he not being in the same place. Some say Carrie misread the signals and had no one to blame but herself, which is a valid point. Suddenly on that day in the bookstore and then in the hotel we get Big saying I never realized how much I hurt you. I'm not good for you. Where I'm concerned obviously you don't see things clearly, etc. (paraphrasing). It's beyond strange and unbelievable to portray him as taking all that on himself at one moment in time, and never seeing things that way before of after that moment in time.

I realize the writers have to move the story and characters along from point A to B to C, but I thought it was totally ridiculous to give Big one day in time where he sees so clearly that he's bad for Carrie. That episode where Carrie and Samantha take a train to San Francisco and Carrie plans to have sex with Big because there's been no man in her life for a while. Suddenly they didn't portray it was going to be anything but that; Carrie wasn't thinking of getting Big back in her life or getting him to move back to N.Y.C. or anything along those lines. Then Big acts like he's been shot up with truth serum or borrowed a woman's psyche for the day and he now sees all the ways he's hurt or disappointed Carrie. He's so mindful of the damage he's done over the years that he refuses to bed her and risk doing further damage. ...until they're almost ready to get on a plane for home. Then it's like a switch is flipped and all that goes out the window never to be spoken about again. WTF?

If Berger had been the way he was at the dinner with Carrie and friends where he fields Miranda's dating dilemma and the conversation was poppin', I'd probably have liked him for her. ...but Carrie criticizing the scrunchie bit was enough to kill the vibe? Plus, not being able to go in to the premier with Carrie because he's so bummed his book is in the bargain bin while she just got a big advance? When Carrie told the girls they had to do bits like reenact movie kisses on the streets of N.Y.C. to ease the dull moments... the looks on the girls' faces! Carrie knew then what she had to do. It would have been much more interesting if it actually played out with them clicking on all cylinders due to the writing connection and the conversations remained lively. Maybe they would have carried that spark in the bedroom? Unfortunately they portrayed things getting really dry early on and gave him the above weenie moves culminating in the biggest one... dumping her via post it. When I try to think who would've been best for Carrie, I didn't observe much chemistry between she and Aiden, or with Aleks. It did come across to me with Big, but if he had been the right one there wouldn't have been a decade of all that angst and push-pull she went through with him. Not to mention seeing him date, romance and even marry others! Not just because I read the press for AJLT, but I'm betting Carrie and Big the couple wouldn't last. Though she wanted him the most, her having to wait over a decade for him to decide she was the one after exploring other options would never be far from her mind.

All right we'll blame the writers for making him a crummy boyfriend. 'cause they kinda did. That "He's just not that into you" is HUGE!!! That's not just a contribution to SATC, but to womankind. There is no way to make a man who's not into you the one, and when a man wants to be with you his actions will tell you so. If there's one thing I could go back and tell my teenage self...

I never liked Berger and sort of felt like I was being unfair to him, but really what was there to like? He's wasn't steller in the looks department... kind of a dweeb. He's mad insecure. He didn't know if he wanted in or out of a relationship and didn't know enough to chill out until he wasn't freaking out when his ex Lauren called. You're done when your don't feel anything. AND he's so bad in bed you notice the M 1 11 buss outside making the stops? Carrie should have skipped that whole chapter and just stayed pining away for Big. It's interesting isn't it? While he was the one she wanted and always went back to, in the interim she had a lot of... ahem, relationships.

I'd be shocked if anyone here thought that anti-heroine BS was intentional... or if more than 2% of the viewing audience could be convinced to see it that way. I don't even dislike Carrie or the actress who played her. They just way overdid the focus on Carrie once we get to know the 3 other women through her in season one. ....and you can just tell the writers and producers thought every scream and every whiny outburst and every overly dramatic line read "I spent 40,000 thousand dollars on shoes?" [hand on heart]... was pure gold. Most of the time I find the show and SJP's work very enjoyable. The other actresses as well. That's why I'll watch just about anytime it's on cable and nothing much else is. As an aside $3.2 an episode is just obscene! ...but sometimes as time went on, some of Carrie's performances took on an odd overblown overdone quality where the other principal's didn't. As has been said before, it's like the character was smarter and more sharply drawn in the beginning. Like with the whole "You're the Chrysler Building!" spiel and similar scenes we've discussed.

Thanks so much. It requires signing in to the cable/internet provider w/ my mum's account log in and password. Either getting her to find her password (in a dedicated book, no less) or change it to a new one is quite challenging. Just went through it with her yesterday with Paypal. See she's getting a bit forgetful, so I suggest she write the new password down FIRST in the book with the website and the date... but of course I'm incorrect and there is no need. She inevitably chooses some jumble of her children's b'days and her street number from where she grew up in London and she proudly proclaims I know I'll never forget that.🙄 I tend to put shows I've seen many times Like SATC , Law and Order etc on in the background when I'm on the computer.

I'm being lazy not taking the time to figure out how to fly HBOMax which comes with our subscription. This should give me even more motivation. I've already been wanting to do it to watch the HBO series ROME.

Oh yeah, E cut just about all that from s2 ep10! Now I remember the s2 ep12 part.

In my head I'm hearing Fathead Newman [Ray Charles' trumpet player played by Bokeem Woodbine in the movie Ray] say "That's cold".

I wonder if Big calling and saying "I fucking love you, alright" is cut from the edited version shown on the E channel I usually catch? because when I try to remember what happened after she said it, all I can recall is him saying look, it's just something I have to do in my own time. I could be wrong though. I'm thinking of the episode where his NOT saying it holds up their going away together.

Ouch is right! I always wish they'd have cast someone else in the role of Big so I could really hate on him, but I find the actor Chris Noth so likeable. He's like an old familiar TV friend from years of watching so many Law and Order episodes. I've seen him in a movie or two as well. but, dam! Big's actions are that of a spineless unromantic jerk who demands everything on his terms. Throughout the series does he even say I love you to Carrie? Possibly in the finale... or does he just tell her she's the one?

We all saw right through that! [you're right though] Now to finish flogging this dead horse: Big being clueless, not terribly generous or just a rapacious thoughtless user of women... when they got back to NYC at the end of the series would have been the time for a romantic traditional marriage proposal on a grand scale with an appropriate engagement ring. Instead he did what, for the next 4 years? Dated her? Had her sleep over sometimes? Then in dreadful movie #1 when it's been 10 years and they discuss whether they should get married, doesn't he ask her should I get you an engagement ring? To which Carrie answers just build me a really big closet. This dude doesn't have a romantic bone in his body!

When I read your post above like she created him, I heard Samantha's convo with Carrie in my head where she said Smith has moves, most of them I taught him. They'd been discussing Carrie's budding romance with Aleks... a real power player in Sam's words. When I read she basically created his career, it made a lot more sense, because she did throw all her P.R. experience and abilities behind him and made him a star, not just some unknown actor who's good at what he does. International movie star at that! So a decent thank you gift was indeed appropriate.

...and that wasn't even one of the top five most memorable romantic things Smith did for her! Samantha might have helped him up his sex game with her breadth of experience, but I think Smith was a very self possessed self aware twenty something. He knew from jump he wanted to get to know her and be in a serious monogamous relationship even when given a hall pass. Also he stuck by her through her illness and treatment when she lost her sex drive and didn't look her best and all that. 😪😪😪😪 He waited for her to see her home when she went upstairs with Richard because he knew she was doing something self destructive... for God's sake! Let me stop. You all know by now I think the guy was a Saint. MsBlueJay I jumped to Smith's defense there because I missed the word career when I first read your post. I read it like she basically created him. Sorry, now I see what you meant

Even Smith bought Samantha a 50k Diamond cocktail ring. Considering Big's money and years of experience with women, I'd say he's a s-l-o-w-w-w learner. If his character was really patterned after a NYC real estate magnate whose name was a household word (even at that time), buying jewelry like that would be like most dudes buying their girlfriend a purse; and not a Birkin, either. He's been through a lot of women not to know what they'd find a romantic or memorable gift.

It's kind of odd that they only showed Big giving Carrie one gift that I can recall, the crystal duck purse. In contrast they showed Aleks giving Carrie that 55k rough cut Diamond + Platinum necklace. Apparently Fred Leighton designed the necklace for the SATC series at SJP's request... so a good amount of thought went into it. Were the writers and producers making a statement that Aleks was generous and Big was not? Remember in dreadful SATC movie #2 she's still having to tell Big "a piece of jewelry would have been nice" when exchanging anniversary gifts.

Absolutely. That's why I say I think of Carrie as being quite materialistic. Don't you love the image of her picking up the rough cut Diamonds from the necklace Petrovsky gave her as she's fleeing from him because he hit her! But for Big being a mogul worth possibly 100's of millions, I think the character we'd gotten to know over the years would have happily ended it with that speech she made when he drove up to her apartment the night she was leaving for Paris. He took way too long and jerked her around way too much. ...and then he took 4 more years after they got back together to propose? It probably explains why she was so bitchy to him in dreadful movie #2.