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This was a pretty crappy way to treat the audience who've been dedicated to the show on the part of whoever was responsible for the direction this past season took. Being as they knew ratings were down and season 4 wasn't approved, IDK how they could have possibly left so many loose ends and major plot lines unresolved? It's not like they didn't have the time, they had the time and wasted it! That whole Demeter element which took up how many episodes? didn't advance the story one bit. Same with Yohan and the band Blood Death. If they felt that battle with Tyr was so pivotal, they could have just had him show up at Zoraya's memorial. Even Shadow seeing Marguerite didn't really move the story ahead. He could have just as easily stumbled on the truth about the missing kids while pitching in searching for Alison and trying to decide how best to help Derrick (wasn't that the underwear thief?). If not eliminated, there certainly was some fat that could have been trimmed from the many Shadow / Marguerite scenes. The ONLY thing that was revelatory about the Shadow / Marguerite relationship was that hug scene with Laura and the dialogue that followed that showed both Shadow and Laura had moved on. With quite possibly only 10 episodes to wrap up the story, they should have been much more discerning as far as what new elements they introduced, IMO.

THIS! I can't believe they left it here with no certainty of another season. As far as the coin being imbued with part of Shadow's soul, IDK about that being it was Mad Sweeney's lucky coin. If it carried some of anyone's soul energy wouldn't it be his? Especially as it still unlocks Sweeney's hoard even after he's gone.

If the conclusions to be drawn are that the New Gods know all about the Old Gods and the Old Gods know all about the New Gods because there really is no division and they're each backing all the plays so there can be no losers no matter how things go, why be so bloody obvious about it? Just keep quiet Mr. World and don't tip your hand. Mr Ibis has got this!

Oh, I get what Mr. World's stance was; fade into oblivion or be killed. lol. Some terms! I just think his touching the shroud and saying anything about his opponent's traditions regarding the handling of their dead and ceremonies that follow seems odd with Mr. Ibis and the Norns there. [ but then, I think I may be the only person to have never watched a Harry Potter movie or read a book]

A few thoughts: In s2 e8? at the funeral home in Cairo following Sweeney's death Laura and Bilquis had a convo where Bilquis said of Wednesday "He's weakened but wiley, better bring power when you go against that one. Laura replied "you seem pretty powerful, do you want to help me?" the convo concluded with Bilquis saying "I know how to find you." Then at one point earlier in s2 (I think), Bilquis told Shadow my destiny is very much tied to yours... something like that. So maybe when it appeared she was outside Shadow's apartment in Lakeside, she got vibes about where Shadow had gone (or the peacock told her...lol), then headed there and heard or sensed that Laura was also there? Or she could have heard the news that Wednesday was dead as it appears Ibis did, and figured Shadow would be there so she went to support him and pay respects to Wednesday and then heard it was Laura who killed Wednesday and she was there awaiting her fate? ^ This is puzzling enough, but why on earth would Mr. World be touching Wednesday's shroud talking about "we commit this body..." and filling in the blanks about traditional burials or vigils for Norse Gods???? I thought he only met with the old Gods to discuss a possible peace agreement and whether it's to everyone's advantage to avoid going to war and the the terms and all that.? Why would he pass comment one about Norse burial tradition or vigils ??? Agreed. There's so much good music in the series. That song is by The Sweeplings.

This exactly. I often wonder if Shadow wasn't as pleasing to the eye as most contributors here have indicated, would they find him as likeable and root for him to the extent they do? They really didn't give him any personality in s1+2 (IMO), if it was an attempt to show him stunned and dismayed by his new world, it missed the mark for me. They showed us he was a minor con man in attempting to recruit Laura to rob the casino and again in the store where Sam BlackCrow entered the gas / convenience store and quickly surmised he was conning the saleswoman out of twenty bucks. People who live by their wits doing that kind of thing could never ever be as clueless about human nature as Shadow has proven to be. Not only did Wednesday have Sweeney kill his wife, him going to jail was probably all part of it. Shadow has been able to observe the usurious relationships Wednesday has had with The Jinn, Mad Sweeney and then as I've stated before... the most recent friend he called in a favor from was a literal child Killer! Wednesday left Laura in another dimension and reneged on his end of their deal in s2 e4. He went to his fellow God Vulcan to have him forge his spear and then cut his head off and sent it tumbling into a vat of molten metal! and did he forget Wednesday's rather unceremonious dismissal of him after the battle with Tyr? Nobody's this dumb! In the finale Laura warned him, Cordelia warned him and Ibis warned him. Plus he's fresh off having done something incredibly stupid, getting in a car with Tyr and becoming a hostage. SMH. Funny, when they showed Shadow and Laura's images morphing into one another I never had thoughts of them ending up as each other's soulmates, possibly ruling America together. Though I thought Laura 's love for Shadow and her will to save him from Wednesday provided the impetus for her to go back among the living(with Mad Sweeney's magic), she seems to be completely over wanting him as a romantic partner now and vice versa. Unfortunately she wasn't quite there when Mad Sweeney was alive and in her life. I would be shocked if the writers put Shadow and Laura back together romantically. As far as Liam Doyle emerging from Sweeney's hoard with a bit of Sweeney in him? That's pretty hard to imagine with that particular actor playing the part, but we'll see.

Ah, I missed that part... hearing his name. Thanks!

If I do watch s4 (if it happens), it will be because I find Bilquis enchanting and I'm interested in seeing what happens to Laura Moon. The idea of them teaming up has always appealed to me since they had that convo in s2 "you seem pretty powerful, do you want to help me?" It won't be because I'm wishing for some kind of fairy tale ending for 'soulmates' Shadow and Laura. As you've said it hasn't been written that way, it hasn't been heading that way and even though I feel she was motivated by her love for Shadow to come back from the dead and protect him from Wednesday, clearly she doesn't love him like a soulmate or husband anymore if she's wishing him his white picket fenced house and wife and kids. After saying "that's how he acts when he's in love" to Marguerite... that's twice she's basically handing him off to the next woman. I didn't mean to say the story might not be headed that way with World being Loki and Laura being his daughter... I was just asking because I have zero knowledge of Norse mythology, if she's a Goddess could seemingly lesser beings kill her? Most of the time I'm irked that I'm spending so much time watching a series where I so dislike and don't care about the principals. I found Shadow Moon pretty remote and unknowable in s1+2. OK, one can write that off as him being stunned by what he's seeing now that this new world of Gods and a wife back from the dead has revealed itself to him. Now in s3 they've shown us Shadow as this boy scout going around doing good deeds. I was starting to buy into that, but then I just got so frustrated because he keeps doing stupid thing after stupid thing after stupid thing. Kind of odd for someone we met as a con man, which calls for being the exact opposite of oblivious and obtuse. ...and of course I've stated I can't stand Wednesday or the actor who plays him. No need to flog that dead horse. The Technical Gods bore me. Characters I've always wanted to see more of included Mad Sweeney, Anubis, and Samedi and Brigit. I don't usually read the reddit or listen to / read A.G. convos anywhere else (except for recently fishing around for info about whether a s4 has been approved), but one time I watched a You Tube video titled something like A.G. the mythology explained and that dude posited that Shadow's cell mate in jail was Loki???? I didn't see or hear anything to suggest that in their brief convos, but like I said I have little familiarity with Norse mythology. I remember thinking it seemed like a major character to burn up on someone who had 2 lines in s1.

Question: If Laura turns out to be Loki's daughter Hel and a Goddess... how would it have been possible for Mad Sweeney (who we've been told was a Leprechaun and that he had "God energy"... but not that he was an actual God) to have killed her by causing her accident? Same with the Leprechaun's coin reanimating her and a Loa's potion bringing her back to life. Wouldn't a Goddess have more power than either of these beings?

I'm actually pretty annoyed with this finale. Haven't been able to find anything about a fourth season being confirmed, and even if they something we the viewers don't, it was pretty unsatisfying to leave so many things unresolved. Last week they killed off Wednesday and left us wondering is he really dead? and this week they killed Shadow and left us wondering is he really dead? How creative. so we're just left to wonder about this "other" ol' lady midwife was babbling about? all that Demeter at the "retreat" BS which took up half the season was for what, exactly? and Zorya Pulchnaaya or whatever her name was telling Shadow about his two paths and one day the stars will guide him ... means? what's the significance of the Buffalo with eyes of fire, and why is it white sometimes? why do Peacocks talk to Bilquis? is Doyle still stuck in Sweeney's hoard? or just laying low there? why is the music that was Laura's ear worm in purgatory playing around Mr. World's creepy ass? is Shweiger's Requiem of Baldr (the "song" no one can find on the internet) the vehicle The New Gods are going to use to get Shard into everyone's brains? are they going to play and broadcast those few notes everywhere until people go insane? what does happen to Laura Moon? what's with the teeth (on the plane)? They can't tie up any of these elements, yet they give us plenty of scenes with that disgusting grimy Chernobog? If the show creators think I'm coming back in a couple of YEARS to watch more of craggy old Wednesday / Odin being the same dickish deceitful smug "god" hanging with his filthy greasy pal and his stupid giant hammer... they have another thing coming!

Shadow was lynched and hung from a tree and he was detained in a police station where some tree with tentacle like branches invaded the station and worked it's way into his body where it left a squirming poisonous thing that Wednesday had to remove to save his life.Yet, he has no fear of trees? and he let the 3 creepy talking at the same time "Norns" lead him to a tree to hang in for 9 days and nights?? SMH. slowass. and dude, wtf is a "vigual"?

WTF was that?

Every time I watch this episode the way Wednesday acts makes less and less sense. Why would he be telling Chernog he wants to make peace with The New Gods? that his war has been a dismal failure? It hasn't happened yet. Three seasons of readying for war... the spear, the runes, convincing more to join in Have we ever seen him smoke cigarettes before?

A few things are puzzling about this episode. Why did Technical boy pick up Shadow and try to get info from him in the limo about what Mr. Wednesday is up to? If he knew Shadow just agreed to work for him, then he knew he just agreed to work for him! He has no idea what Wednesday is up to. When Technical boy tells the "Children" to kill him and announces "we're not just going to kill you, we're going to delete you", why do they leave the virtual limo to do it? Why cover that much of a field with blood? Why give anyone a chance to come along and witness it or possibly involve themselves? Why use a tree and rope? What was it, 8 or 10 on one? It all seems so unnecessary. He doesn't know anything yet!

I said in one of my posts kudos to the person who stated the missing girl who the town was searching for was likely in the trunk of the car on the frozen lake. Sorry, I couldn't remember who it was ir where the post was offhand... just went back and saw your post on e7 Fire and Ice. Good call!

thanks 😉

I haven't read the book and have avoided book spoilers and threads, so I'm in the dark. Hm, so Odin/Wednesday grew the tree for his own vigil? Have you got any hints about all that midwife to Bilquis "you've got to find the other" "only then can he lead the people" mess? Also I'm wondering about Bilquis saying to Shadow her fortune is very much tied to his? I haven't thought Shadow (if indeed he's becoming a God?) would need a female counterpart any more than Odin did. ...but if he did, Bilquis!

I haven't yet figured out if being tied to the World Tree is a vigil for the dead, or an empowering thing for a living God/God in the making? Just don't tell me it's a vigil and it's going to be a Wednesday shaped Mr. World on the tree providing a deflection and Wednesday lives... because I'm not trying to hear that! I kindof HATE him!

IDK . On the preview for the next episode they're talking about spending 9 days and nights tied to the World Tree "as Odin once did", so IDK if that is involved in becoming a full-fledged God? I'm ffwding to the spot to listen again but it sounds like Mr. World's voice saying it! I think they took the damned preview off the on demand episode! It just goes black after the episode

In the scene from the finale the speaker is saying Odin was lashed to (the World tree?) for 9 days and nights.... And it looks like Shadow is going to do the same. That's the tree Odin/Wednesday has grown from a little sprig from the looks of it!

One of the mods made a speculation thread where such things can be talked about! ```going!```

Now that I rewatched this episode aside from being elated Laura got her wish to take Wednesday out, it left me perplexed by what the whole thing amounts to. We've watched Wednesday singularly obsessed with readying the Old Gods for war with the New Gods. While traveling to convince more to join in, he tells Shadow that he's his father and he needs his help with his endevour. Now in the second to last episode we get this apathetic defanged Wednesday who doesn't much care about a battle to save his kind? He said goodbye to Cordelia and next thing we know he's telling Chernog he wants to reach some sort of peace agreement with World. What did we just watch for most of 3 seasons? Did Wednesday's look of resignation and failure to duck or lean to one side to avoid the spear coming at him mean that this was his plan all along? Has this whole thing been about Wednesday going out and turning the gig over to his son? If that's the case, why was he off like a shot after freeing Shadow with a few uncharacteristicly sparse words after his "battle" with Tyr? Plus, hasn't the message been the Old Gods had to keep their numbers up to stop the New Gods taking over? Yes, I haven't read the book was just about to post this^ above.

At the end of s3 e9 we saw Mr World wrapping a body in a shroud saying "we commit this body to..... Was anyone able to tell whose body that was?

That was a lot! A lot to unpack. Huge improvement over last week's episode, which without Salim and Laura's trip to find the new Leprechaun would have been trash (IMO). That whole Tyr/Odin waste of time? ...and that final scene w/ Shadow? SMH That's really the last time we see Wednesday and Shadow interact? Finally Laura gets her wish to end Odin, and with his own spear as she planned! Now Laura giving up Sweeney's coin which really bothered me ends up benefiting her in the end. Yay! Good thing Liam isn't a selfish a-hole kind of Leprechaun and let her use it. I hope they're both ok. Looked like Chernog's hammer hit Liam? I watched on a small BDR TV and it was hard to see. Did he end up in Sweeney's hoard? I got that Liam was locked out of his own hoard when Wednesday took his lucky coin, from the previous episode. As far as whether Sweeney's hoard would now be his? IDK. ... but I hope he found safety there. I think we all (even those like me who haven't read the book) knew that busybody lady in Lakeside was up to no good. Good call to the person who said 2-3 episodes ago the missing child was probably in the trunk of the car on the ice! I was afraid ol' Shadow was going to find himself on the way back to prison when he went to investigate all alone. Oh, and Wednesday went to her... a child killer, to collect on a favor? [setting op Shadow up in Lakeside] Yeah, no love lost there. Bye fucker! What was up with Shadow's vision of an idyllic future with Marguerite ending in her going all fiendishly strong and trying to drown him in the hot tub? ...and he still talked about getting together with her in Milwalkee after that? The only downside was no Bilquis, but hopefully she'll be back. She told Shadow in s2 her destiny was very much tied to his. I didn't know how to feel about the church scene either. I was alright with her looking for comfort / intimacy in the arms of a man just before she might die trying to kill Wednesday, then stopping herself from using her really shitty impulse control. ...but then she went and mentioned Robbie??? I had to think for a minute, and I guess it was the last time she had actual "alive" sex. ...but still. I realize in New Orleans with Sweeney in the red voodoo sex haze, though she was about as close to being alive as she could be while still being dead, she couldn't count that as actual alive sex. Same goes for the sex with Baron Samedi. Imagine Brigitte and Samedi's next flap about his infidelity after that when she threw him having sexed the dead girl in his face! what's this now? I'm still wondering about the thing around his neck that emitted the earth splitting light in the previous episode. Also in s2 The Jinn said Wednesday kept him in an amulet around his neck until he needed him. Even though I didn't see the Laura / Sweeney thing the way you did, Lamatilda ... I can certainly see those of you who did and were invested in that storyline finding the wind up very unsatisfying. There's a whole lot in s2 that was up for interpretation or one could even say just plain doesn't make sense.

I've been watching s1+2 again and trying to sort out if he saw those fiery orbs any other time. I think I was remembering the Ways of the Dead ep e5? where Shadow saw the ghost of Mr James in his bathroom mirror, his head with flames coming off it. Shadow started having dreams and visions of the lynching and burning James had suffered and in one scene they were having a conversation on the street and it actually looked more like embers flying around, as opposed to little orbs. So it may actually be only around Sam Black Crow?