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Yep

Let's count the ways... Leaves his fingerprints Used his Navigate in his car to find the place....traceable Regardless of whose phone he used they will be able to use the cell towers to show he was at or near the location at the time of death I will assume they can trace the message that showed up on on his work computer I am sure that someone saw him meet with the man before he died I am hoping this doesn't turn out to be the whole squad, including SVU ends up trying to clear him of a murder. Liv will remember how freaked out he was...but stands behind him. If he were smart he would tell the task force leader that he got the invitation to meet the guy there, got there early, sat in the cage, thought it was a bad idea and left ...and was scared to say something at first for fear of being taken off the case. Sorry but I had to watch it again for Dylan's leather coat at the end....

Isn't he working with a hacker? Maybe she can hack the phone?

This 1000 times! I had to stop the Olivia show when Stabler left, so it was a shock to me saying some of the actors after so many years. I would watch ever now and then, but Olivia and Carlisi (sp) were terrifying. Largely Meloni still looks ok, as does Tamera. Dylan's face looks odd, but he was ROCKING those outfits. Looks like between him and his family there will be some great fashion. The way it is going they will end up somehow putting Olivia and Stabler together no doubt with a letter from the grave or via one of the daughters that they had Kathy's blessing. Personally I would love for one of these shows go for NOT putting anyone together and using that old stereotype that a spouses can't trust the people that their husband and wife are working with! They are much better as friends. Yes, I was largely a fan of the "mothership" as well as Criminal Intent. The first few seasons of SUV was ok and then it became something to do, but when Stabler left for the most part, so did I. I for one do not necessarily mind a season long arc as long as it is entertaining, nor do I miss the "law" part with an ADA. The only thing I am disappointed about is that Dylan and Tamera were not on the law enforcement team. I would love to see both of them long term. Spot on!

That leather coat he was wearing.....ahhhh. Now you are bringing the drama and the fashion. Stabler left his fingerprints all over the cage....or did he have on gloves?

I stopped watching it on a regular basis that season...

Great Start!!

Interesting that when she looked at Nick the words were something like "all my life I have been searching for this love," I am really not loving any of the love interest this season. Nick and George, Bess and anybody... and Nancy might as well be with Nick for the chemistry she has had with anyone else.....I think the show would be better without them....and the supernatural...

So now Nick/Ned loves George so much he is willing to die for her?.....OK...

I never knew anything about Dr. Oz, don't watch his show or follow him. He's o.k., obviously when you are not accustomed to doing this there will be some mistakes. I don't think most of the guest hosts are really being considered for a permanent gig, so I can stand pretty much anyone for a short time....except Austin. I agree about the initials category....it was so annoying to me especially since I got them all right!

I think people are taking this personally. Just as it became a Chris against Rachael somehow the whole situation with Matt and Racheael is not about them as individuals, but about something else. Yes, it baffles me too that Rachael saying one thing and her "fans" are still not doing what he is asking....they are still trying to defend what she said is not able to be defended No sense in dragging it out....who knows? Nothing surprises me. They might get back together, but he does not owe her a relationship at the expense of his peace or to prove a point to anyone. That is ridiculous. I think both Tayshia and Matt learned a lot about themselves and how others view them during their seasons.

Let me also try to explain to the poster that these people were not chosen out of the air. TPTB spend a lot more time making sure that their black contestants have "whiteness" in their life than vice versa. Almost every contestant that I have researched or watch either has a white parent or lived their lives in close proximity to whiteness.....a white adoptive parent, tons of white friends and white schools ( Rachel L) or a history of dating only ( Tayshia) or mostly white people. This was done for a reason. Rachael had inappropriate men on her season. ...too young, not where they needed to be career wise, etc. But Rachel was also honest when she told them that she was really OPEN to dating anyone.....so what does her choosing Bryan have to do with anything? Tayshia grew up with only white people and had only dated white...(which they well knew) and people tend to choose what they are comfortable with. With Matt's documented history of white friends, a white mom, etc. they knew the odds were there. Here's the thing, with both Rachel and Matt they had a win win. If they chose a Black person, then they could trot them out as their diversity couple, and if they didn't they still got an interracial couple (with one Black) to tout. But for some people the fact that they chose a non minority seems to prove something to them other than they chose who they had feelings for. Personally I think Matt was not that into anyone and I feel he chose the person that he felt he would hurt the least in the end when it didn't work out and would be willing to just date him. I think he cared for her, but knew going in that it might now work out long term that's why he didn't propose. He knew Michelle and Bri were not going to do that. I also don't know that he was conscious of what he was doing, thought he liked her more than he did and when issues came up he realized that his feelings were not deep enough. Oddly didn't he and people close to him say before the show? that they didn't think he would marry? So why is everyone surprised ? Also, I always have questioned everything and never needed to be in the "in" crowd. So I don't participate in things or events that I don't understand.

Like when my supervisor told me he was letting his 13 year old son have a Pimps and hxx's party....with the dressing up and thought nothing of it....as if there have never been any White pimps...... Matt knew Rachael for a few weeks, and it sounds like she was not exactly forthcoming with him when it all first came out. No one knows what conversations they had about this. Initially he did stand by her. My guess is that if she scrubbed her social and things were still there, we have no idea what else she said to him or told him about that my have been problematic. To reduce it to "it was JUST A PICTURE, or JUST A DRESS is tone deaf and insensitive. Some things are deal breakers. Matt clearly has issues, but personally it appeared that life wise they were in two different places anyway. I think there is more to the breakup than just what the public knows about. I personally have been in this situation.....guy was perfect on paper, etc. but he said something very, very racially insensitive about my parents. That was a NO for me.. and more conversation indicated this was not a one time thing. ..I didn't have it in me to go back and help him with this.....therapy to me is for MARRIED people......and this was before all the self help, etc. Sadly, he is now a judge....I often wonder how much of his bias has leaked into his profession? Was it my job to stay with him and teach him when we had only dated a few months? But the horrible side of me wonders if I should have tried to work it out every time I think of his stay at home wife that doesn't have to work.....ha ha ( this is a joke) By the way, my experience has been that people like this usually try to gaslight you and make you think you are being too sensitive, while at the same time telling you they know what they did is wrong. It is exhausting....

That is actually what he said. He alluded to a conversation that they'd had that made him see that....so for all of those persecuting him why is he any different than any other person who has come on this show and realized that the person was not the person for them by the time of the ATFR? He made that decision based upon what he knows (that we don't know) about her NOW, not what she did back then. Whatever she said to him made him understand that she is not ready right now to be in a relationship with him, and he has the right to make that decision. I can't imagine this is a first. Most of these relationships don't last. That is nothing against Matt or Rachael. Regardless of the reason, he did not see a future with her. I keep seeing posts about "if he loved her" and I wonder how many of those people never had a breakup? Because that would mean that you stayed with whomever you were with, no matter what. Sometimes love is there, but love is not enough. It is not like these people have time to establish a firm foundation. They are in the "I might be deeply in love with you," phase when the show ends, but it is after the show that makes the determination....and he realized she is not it. My personal opinion is that he probably would have figured that out even without the issues that came up. You can also forgive, but that does not mean that you always forget. I'll leave with this....I hope you get you "fun" show back, I really do, but just know that not all conversations about race or interracial relationships are the way the show portrayed them. If they did good vetting and actually cast people who were open to diversity all of this would not be the outcome. We are all just people, flawed, emotional, rich , poor, etc. It is when someone makes a choice to show something in a negative light and other people believe that instead of doing their own research that we run into a problem. From what I've read The focus on the bad behavior of the women instead of what I am sure were some light hearted moments was a choice...taking airtime from WOC who stayed longer to focus on other contestants that were not a real part of Matt's journey, was a choice....hypersexualizing the interactions with the WOC, the father conversation (when I've heard dad was expecting something else) all of these things are the calculated way that the show manipulates narratives. Realize that you still could have had your "fun" show, but the producers choose to focus on other things. This is why this show is not for POC in my opinion. Yes the conversations can be "uncomfortable" but I've had many very comfortable conversations....it depends on who you are having it with, why you are having the conversation, and what both parties bring to it. Preachy, defensiveness, guilt and blame have to be checked in order to get to understanding, compassion and a path forward. But both parties also have to be willing. I never thought I'd feel sorry for Matt James, but I do. Now that he has decided to protect his peace....and is doing no doubt what countless other Bachelor's before him have done...he - the victim has become the bad guy because everyone is feeling like his rejection of Rachael is a personal attack on them or some type of social justice statement as opposed to a man who realized she was not the one. I wonder if people are capable of asking themselves why they are REALLY mad at him for choosing to move on? He has a right to happiness and he didn't find it on the show...as for his reasons going on...I am sure he is also not the first person who went on the show doubting they would find love, or not even seriously searching for it. Why hold him to a different standard? As for "cancel culture" she has over 500K followers and probably deals lined up....she will be fine. She was not on trial and was not made to look bad at all...I just can't get why people want to have "grace" for some, but not all. Where is the "grace" for Matt? he was the person humiliated and hurt.

Katie is not horrible, but I don't think everyone who is guest hosting is even in consideration as permanent host. I am kind of enjoying the rotations.

I really could care less what other leads have been dragged through the mud about. I am quite sure that they have not been attacked for their race. Understanding is not a strong point for the shows viewers because you believe highly produced and highly edited pieces of film and make whole judgments about people and make them wealthy. I guarantee you Rachel Lindsay has never gotten a dime of my money. I've also said that I don't like Rachel and I hate that she went on the show but go right ahead and accuse me of thinking that she's perfect she and doesn't need to be criticised. Obviously you cannot admit that in this situation she was not the aggressor. Chris made a mistake he has to take the consequences of his mistake without blaming that on a black woman. But go off if it makes you feel better because most people have taken this situation and turned it into Chris against Rachel or us against them and it's pathetic. You should blame the news media for all the attention that it is given. You sound very angry over people that you don't know

This is a word that people use loosely especially in their entertainment industry. Do you really think that Chris Harrison Rachel Lindsay get together and have a bottle of wine together or talk about good times? Absolutely not. To use the word friend especially within the context of that conversation to try to explain away some of the things that he was saying. Ignoring the fact that she had a job and was acting in the role of a correspondent for extra anybody on the show would have been told to ask the same question considering what was in the news does not strengthen your stance. But let's just say they were friends has anybody on this board defending this crap thought about what it would feel like or what has felt like for your minority contestants who might actually have affection or respect for Chris to sit there and watch him defend racism let alone if he in Rachel were really friends? She did her job he could have just said I don't know but he chose to do something else so who should really be hurt? I know that I have been put in the position of explaining what this is to my young niece Things she didn't even need to know about because she watches the show and I had to address this party. And if Becca is OK with Rachel and has accepted her apology why would others stay mad? She realized no one is perfect and grown ups work through pain and disappointment from real friends. Rachel is not perfect and I don't expect her or Chris to be.

OK regardless of the fact that Rachel has been on the show she now acts as a correspondent for extra and part of her duties is to cover the bachelor franchise. Why should she ignore what was being talked about? She also asked him what thought about it which was something Billy Bush or anybody else who was in that seat would have asked as part of the job. It was his choice to say what he wanted to say and the idea that people are saying she set him up is preposterous and telling. He could have easily said I don't know let her speak for herself. This idea that black people need to just be happy to be here and shut up needs to go away. She has more than once said publicly that she thanks the franchise for opportunities what is she supposed to do? If she thinks racism or something else is wrong just not speak on it because she got a job opportunity ? I am not a Rachel fan and I loathe the fact that she ever went on this show, but people need to accept the fact that it was not people of colour on reddit that posted tick toks or pictures of the other Rachael and Chris is responsible for his own actions. The default is to blame minorities for everything but this time you need to direct your anger in other directions. Check your news sources- Rachel Lindsay has never asked that Chris Harrison be fired nor did she start that petition. Far as I know she doesn't have mind control of other people either. I get that people want their Status quo show back (and way of life) and I personally think POC should leave you to it, but to deny that there has been a problematic behaviours and decisions made on this show is ridiculous. Long before Rachel was even on the show some contestants tried to sue. Chris himself has said over and over again pretty much that they couldn't find a black man who was "worthy"whatever that means when even on Rachel season alone they had a very educated and professional man, more than one. Rachel herself was a very calculated choice and if she had not been a lawyer with the judge father she would not have been the lead either. Looking at " attractiveness" is certainly not the reason because Tayshia and Matt are probably the most physically attractive leads the franchise has had. Please don't give me get excuse that they didn't finish very late when just to avoid a person of colour they've gone all the way back to the 11th finisher to get Katie. The bachelor knows who their audience is. Personally I've never understood the prestige of making a fool of yourself on TV and embarrassing your family but that's just me

How cute was Elliott

I think people just don't like change. I think he's done a fine job and I wouldn't say that Ken is heads and shoulders above him, I just think that Ken is more familiar to people

Have they always had young leads in the past? I saw Part of Rachel, and she was older, and episode of Nick and he was older (I think?) Some of Tayshia after Clare had left and I think she as at least 28 or so. I think remember that Rachel's men other then her choice were generally younger than her and thinking because of that she would not choose anyone. That is probably one of the reasons the couples don't last if that is true. You'd have to be really mature to go through that process and the attention that goes along with it in your early 20's. I know it is shallow but if I was in my early twenties and came out insta famous with all these career opportunities I don't know if I would be ready to settle down...

Ahh I really liked Ken and hoped he would win. He seemed fun, but slow.

I like the new host. He has a great smile. Count me in!!!

Because I am cynical....I believe your last line is probably true....which is why Ben was allowed to hang around and come back for Tayshia when they already had a defacto final 2 due to the turtleneck guy leaving...if everyone who was upset about how their exit went down or who was eliminated was allowed to get sent home and just come back and talk then why wouldn't everyone do it? There had to be an agenda.... I don't know the ins and outs about the whole Katie situation but you are probably right about that too....

And worse from what I read there were other women in the house not involved in the drama but they chose to edit her as the "good" one in the house and portray her a certain way at the expense of showing other women. From what I understand of Reality Steve he is not always right. Maybe she was never offered the role of the Bachelorette but if the tradition is (and I don't know) to choose someone in the top 6 or so (I'm told usually the top 4) why was she considered anyway? What makes her more worthy than anyone who finished above her, whether they were black, white or whatever? I am also told the past they had offered it and filmed an intro for a Calia? and then took it away from her and gave it to someone else . Was there outrage? I see so many people worried about having 3 or 4 POC in a row. I will just assume those same people were wondering in the past why they were having 4 or 5 non minorities in a row? I actually don't really care because the audience is largely non minority and I think minorities should not want to be on a show that considers them not worthy of air time, storytelling or leading a season.