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Oh my. I doesn't matter. No matter who she is with it isn't going to work out but she is going to milk it for as long as she can Instagram it and get free stuff. COVID is messing up her plans to make "splash" on the New York scene while prolonging things with Zac. She would love to be in New York now Instagramming things. So are we to believe a California girl who complained about moving with her first husband is going to live in New York or New Jersey? I totally think Dad said more than what we saw...like you need to quit this reality stuff and find a man and stop forcing it. ok,I am projecting. That is what my dad would have said! And worse.. Normally I wouldn't advocate for it, but I would find it strange in this environment not to tell her families their backstories....AND that to be shown.

I think he said the eating disorder was at 15, which is why I keep saying he had problems BEFORE the military...people need to stop blaming the military!!! Fully evolved, emotional, articulate people are in or come from the military.

Well notice she also said all along that FAMILY was the most important thing, yet Ben seems to have a strange family dynamic and she is not worried about that or what place his faith played in his difficulties.....but she is worried about Ivan.....So much BS

Notice how HE was the one to say we are out of here to HER family? And since we were not shown a fantasy suite or any other conversation, did she ask him about religion? Although that would be pointless because he would say whatever she wants him to hear.

Hmmm she just said she wanted him to say ILY, after previously saying that she wasn't looking for an ILY from him.....but now that he has said it she keeps him....even though NO ONE ELSE had said I love you....And she is falling in love after she told Brendan he was the one from the start.......she learned her lines...

Ben practicing his lines to be able to prepare for what the parents are going to ask...and the only thing he can say is that she is "incredible and doesn't say why....he also keeps talking about how HE feels.

I am worried about religion, but I am dating and potentially sleeping with multiple men.....you gotta love it!

Nah, she has said it a couple of times that I saw, but never elaborated. If it was so important to her you bring that up BEFORE fantasy suites. I wouldn't even take someone who was not aligned before I might potentially sleep with them.

Exactly...she's all over the street with Blake and Riley...I call BS on Tayshia. I would never be happy about taking a mess like Ben home. Why did he have to go? Have the balls and call it like Claire did. She is a producer plant and truly disgusting to me at this moment.

Now, she hasn't mentioned religion with anyone...and in most religions suicide is a no no, so we are supposed to believe this is about religion? She who mentions her faith is so important? This edit was so that people didn't blame Tayshia!!!! WTF!!

I am not good at or into social media, but she said it was on her Instagram. I want to say she said fighter pilot, so if @dirtypop90 is correct about military that makes sense, or it was someone who is "like a sister" to her, I don't know. Maybe her other siblings were just not at home that season if they are older. I seem to remember her telling Ivan that her "siblings" always had it easier...which implied more than one. I can look it up, but I wonder what Tayshia did before she found fame? Her ex made it sound as if she was not contributing much to the family income but I consider the source. You can have a degree and still not have a career, or not feel accomplished especially if it is something you are not fulfilled with. If you have siblings that are more certain in their career paths sometimes that does play with your mind. Back in the early days of reality tv my older sister watched the Real World. She always talked about how a lot of people from those shows went on to have real jobs and real lives, like doctors, professors, etc. I often wonder if that would have been the same if they could have found money in social media fame? As it was they were always coming back for those Road shows to extend their 5 minutes of fame... she was addicted. I think most people look better without facial procedures.. It is crazy to me that they can't see the difference in their faces and see that they have gone too far.

@Alexander Pope. I think Tayshia is a producer's dream. She says all the right things at the right times. I see nothing really authentic about her. She seems to be a nice girl that is playing a role..and I think she probably does that in real life. In that respect I think she and Ben are similar. They project what people want to see, especially to be accepted, while not quit knowing who they really want to be. I think that is where they connect. As for Zac, I think Tayshia thinks older means more mature and stable and that is something she has lacked in past relationships. I think she has convinced herself that Zac is the type of man she SHOULD be with, and if she chooses that type of man it will be different than her past relationships. the fact that he lives near New York and she has thought about living there is a bonus Ivan -unpopular opinion- but I think Tayshia appreciated that Ivan was Bi racial and he gave her something she'd never had before on a deep level. He was an experiment for her to see if she could date a MOC although I think she liked him a lot. Truth is she was just not as comfortable because he was not her usual. Nothing wrong with that, but she also knew he adored her and she kept him until she got the ILY she wanted from the people she wanted, then he became expendable. No way she didn't know before fantasy suites that he was the weakest link and that is why he got an ice bath and RV. She also thinks he is someone she "should" be with because he is so dependable and seemingly sincere...and she kept him for optics being a bi-racial Bachelorette in the wake of the recent cries for diversity and social justice. She may not have even realized that was what she was doing, but I can see some producer manipulation with that too. Brendan- Probably shouldn't have been here, but since he was I think the final straw for him was that he didn't go first. I think after being married before the idea that she would sleep with other guys was not something he was into, and I can't blame him. I honestly think he felt as if he was first she would not want to be intimate with someone else. I also think the producers knew he was having doubts when they planned that date which is horrible. On one hand I think, "why are you here, you know the show," and on the other hand I think we all THINK we can do something, but when it comes to it sometimes can't...like when I went skydiving. It just became e overwhelming to me. He also confirmed on a podcast he had NOT watched the show. I always have respect for people who walk away. I would be very surprised if any relationship from any of these men works out for her. Now my friend tells me she has a sister that is training to be a fighter pilot or something. THAT is the kind of girl Ivan needs. He is way too much of a thinker for someone like Tayshia. I think she is a smart girl, a nice girl, but someone who talks a lot about "faith" yet has never really explained what that means or how that would play out with the men. I also wonder about her family dynamic if her sister is more educationally accomplished than her. She just comes across as a woman who is too dependent on her relationship with a man and has no idea who she is on her own. JMO

Do they always have the men together discussing or even looking at each other after fantasy dates? That was just nasty to me and unnecessary. Surely they had enough rooms at the resort?

She is a company girl...she is towing the line. Any woman would sense would have said immediately, "thank you and goodbye." That along with the fact I see no real chemistry or "melding of the lifetstyles" with any of them tells me she will not have anything lasting with this. Tayshia wanted to be the Bachelorette, convinced herself she deserved it and convinced herself she wanted to get married. Tayshia, like Ben, needs to work on Tayshia. I don't watch this show and I agree. But then I think she said something about shutting down herself when she is upset and appearing cold as a defense mechanism. I fid find it interesting she told Zac she loved him, then old Brendan she thought it would be him all along.....would be brutal for her final one to watch....and makes me think she was acting.

I don't see chemistry with her and any of them. A lot more kissing with the others, but even with that it is missing something....

If this show were real and I were the other men, the minute she let Ben back I would eliminate myself. Nope, the previews showed her with him in a different dress in the morning....and him with the other guys.

She has issues. The fact that he came back to "profess" his love is a little stalkery to me....AND the production would have known for days that was what he wanted to do but wait until that time to insert him back in?? Are we to believe that none of the other guys would not have come back to have a better ending....and the forced conversation with Rachel about him?? And she lets him back? I've said it all along, she is not ready....but Ben fits her Insta life...she doesn't have to worry about moving from California and he likes the limelight as much as she does. Run Ivan, Run Zac...

So, all you have to do on this show is ask Chris for another chance? So none of the other guys wanted to do that? This is ridiculous, especially after her big rant to the guys about being a grown woman confident in her decisions! She just got rid of one guy who couldn't express his emotions, so you take one back? She described Ben as "hot." I don't see it. And Ivan got a RV and a Ice Bath????!!

Again, I don't watch the franchise, I am not just not willing to base all my opinions editing. What she said was that he reminds her of Peter the way he gives you just enough. to keep you going....she did not say he reminded her of being Peter wanting to be the Bachelor. She point blank said he thought Ben wanted to be the Bachelor based upon Ben 's actions not Peter, and went on to say something about how others have done the same and when they were cast the season didn't play out well, which makes me think she was talking about someone else. To me she actually roasted turtleneck boy more but I think that was a combination of Peter and others she has watched on the show. I think it is fair, if you know the process and the expected end if there is any doubt in your mind you could get there, then don't go on. I personally think she compared Brendan more to Peter overall than Ben. Either way, her experience with Peter was her experience, which is why I think if she wants to talk about it she can to compare someone the listeners would know...but agree she also has to take the heat that comes with it. I just feel like talking about him or using him as an example is not proof that she wants him or harbors some resentment about how things turned out. I can separate the two....she had a negative experience with him that still bothers her, but everything she say doesn't mean it is about her wanting him. I use people in my past as an example all the time and I am not "hung" up on them. Again, I also think she should leave Bachelor world, but she does want the opportunities that goes with it which in my opinion is a contradiction. If, however the podcast job is to give an opinion about what she thinks and feels about what she sees, then she is doing her job and should not be limited to what she can say about whom if those are her real feelings. I honestly think Rachel's going on about diversity in the franchise is her way of settling with herself that she ever went on the show. She claims to have not really watched the show before, so she may not have known how it is and how they edit. It is funny to me how people who watch the show assume everyone does....although I agree once you plan to participate you should. Many of the people who have been on this year claim to not have watched it at all or only a few episodes, like Dr. Joe and others, so it is possible she really didn't know what to expect, and I think they courted her so hard so they could show some fake diversity that she really thought she was special. I also don't think they would have chosen her if her father wasn't a judge, she a lawyer with a private school background. I think Rachel's primary motive was that her head blew up from the attention she received from the season she was on and they played on that as well as telling her how she would be a great "black" representation. I think she wanted the travel, clothes and attention and the recognition from being the first.....that was foremost in her mind and then she decided to cash in on the opportunities because she felt like the franchise owes her something after her edit, the racist, and other things that happened. In general though, if a minority woman is outspoken and has opinions that people don't agree with, then they are thought of as a certain way. Some people clearly thought Rachel should have been , "just happy to be there and included," and should shut up and follow the Bachelor game plan. I never saw the Peter confrontation, but from what I've heard, I think she took some of her frustration on the producers/show out on Peter, maybe because she thought he was involved in playing a part for production. I also don't know when she found out about the texts with his ex about furthering his business opportunities. She was under contract so there was a lot she couldn't say, and I think she was angry about that. I really think Rachel had a bad group of guys that were not really good choices for her....for her age, her profession, etc. I didn't think any of them were great and Bryan was really edited as a fboy. People are still saying she had more real conversations with Peter than Bryan, when both Bryan and Rachel talk about all the deep conversations they had that were not aired...so there's that. People DO believe the edit. Bryan had also dated interracially before and Peter had not, so I think that was part of it for her as well. I personally thought Bryan was also was there to further his business opportunities, and if so, it worked out for him. As for Peter, Yes, I think that she did have feelings for him and wanted to explore it, but from the comments she has made she always knew there was something not right about him so she knew it would Bryan in the end. If other contestants WHO WERE THERE say the same, then clearly there was something the audience did not see. Both things can be true, especially when your emotions are heightened and you have all these fancy trappings, travel, etc. to distract and confuse you as well as producers whispering in your ear. I think she is on record as saying even her father thought something was off about Peter. But if I am honest I think most of Bachelor couples stay together for business opportunities. Fans make basic and average looking people rich by acting as if they are so interesting after the show. I think some who are at a certain stage or have no one knocking down their door get together , say "why not?" and "learn" to love each other later while benefitting from the residual effects of being on the show. Some just want to stay in the public eye and get free stuff and are addicted to the attention. To me the "real" ones just go on and live their lives....but that may also be that in the old days the opportunity to make money from social media was not available to them. By the way, my point was that people are looking at addiction a different way. I don't expect people to give Ivan's brother any attention, and hope they don't for his sake, but it is funny to me how people rush to excuse Ben's issues and blame it on the military, Zac 's on Cancer but Ivan's family history on something else just because the paths ended differently. Yes, Ivan has said his brother has mental health struggles, but even if he didn't addiction can happen to all families but is covered and thought of differently due to social and racial factors and that is a fact.

@saber5055 Oh my gosh, my favorite shows and I take lunch at a certain time in the day to watch them. Although not in B&W I also love some Bonanza and Big Valley. I am curious if you ever watched Bat Masterson or Maverick? Between those and the cop/crime/detective shows of the 60's 70's and 80's I have no idea what is on television now.

I actually have issues with Rachel for ever going on this show and for how she acted like she was the Rosa Parks of reality shows, breaking a barrier for Black people that we didn't need to have broken.....BUT....that doesn't mean she is always wrong or that she shouldn't speak her mind. I wonder if people even listened to the podcast or just read headlines? From my understanding she never said anything about Peter, and my friend who did listen and watches this franchise said she actually thought she was talking about Colton, but that it could have been a number of people, including Peter. Unfortunately Rachel is a local and there was lots of news and information about her. Stop, please stop believing the edit that this show gives and taking those narratives as gospel. As much disdain as I have for her, even I admit I don't know her! Everything I have read, heard and seen however, indicates her main issue is that it was ALWAYS Bryan and that the show was edited to make it seem as if she was more torn to create a narrative to set Peter up for the next Bachelor. Even guys on her season have said that is true. I'll admit, I somewhat fell for it when I watched 1/2 her season. I also never thought they would marry, but she has a successful relationship from this franchise, AND she was privy to conversations that we did not see. In fact, I'm told that post show there were some texts or something from an ex that showed Peter went on to further his career.....so I actually don't blame her. Therefore in fact I understand her anger that they did not give her edit the love story that was obviously there and for putting a racist plant on her show for drama. I do have issues with her continuing to profit from the franchise while criticizing it. I wish she would sever ties. The fact that every time she says or does something people start bringing Peter in or insinuating she is bitter , lets me know she is right to be annoyed about how they edited things and apparently portrayed her as a stereotype when she objected. But in fact if the podcast is to analyze the show and give honest opinions, then she was just doing her job IMO. "with that being said" I know very little about the franchise as a whole, but I had the same vibe from Ben as soon as I started watching. I don't know that he wants to be the Bachelor so much as he wants the opportunities that come with the show. I do think his process, however, has more to do with his issues that any necessarily pre contrived plan. I just think he is conditioned to play the part of "perfect" and in doing that he comes across a certain way because he is not being authentic...and he may not even realize it. Curiously she is not the only person from this franchise that has made those comments about Ben, but she is taking all the heat and it is more interesting that so many people feel the same. I did listen to her interview with him after already having that thought and it solidified it to me. That was before she even made these statements, so that came from my own mind. So for some of us, there IS a "there there," about him and it has nothing to do with PTSD, military training, etc. The fact that Ben has admirably faced and hopefully conquered demons in the past does not mean he is above behaviors that are suspect, or that he is not capable of taking criticism or opinions, or making mistakes. That is something he will have to face in the real world from now on about things more important than a tv show, so hopefully he's done the work. Two things can be true at the same time.....he can be a nice guy and have ulterior motives for either being on the show, or post show try to cash in on it even if that wasn't his original intent. If he is, that doesn't make him a bad person. Actually wanting acceptance and adoration would totally tie in to everything he has said about his past which makes me scared for him. I will also say that having a sister and best friend (Antonia, the Reality star) as superfans of this show, there is no way that he did not know that there is speculation and criticism coming from all corners once you've been on. I don't think it's right, but there are podcasts, blogs, etc. devoted to this franchise for people to espouse opinions. There are bound to be some that are unpopular but I don't have to put down someone else because they don't agree with me about people none of us know beyond the carefully selected edits of a tv show...especially one that is known to feed off the drama they create. Letting him come back and some other choices the show has made makes me think they care as little about Ben as they did about Rachel. He had to know going in that people may not think or say nice things about him. I have way more concern about how Ivan and his brother are doing because oddly people are not as accepting of his brother's mental health problems and the path it lead him to as they are Ben and Zac. hmmm All of them took major risks in the things they divulged and they all should be applauded, but everyone acts like Ben is some special case. I actually think Rachel is mad at herself for going on the show believing it was going to be one way, then getting on it and realizing she had little control over the outcome, particularly being a lawyer, she should have read the fine print and did her research. Since it was so heavily, in her opinion, edited to create a false narrative, and "fans" are continuing to believe that narrative years later it makes sense that she is still frustrated and annoyed by it. I would be too. Imagine being happily married to my choice and every time I say something people don't like they start name calling and referring back to a man and something that I've put in the past....when they don't know me! She also realized the objective was not her happy ending or a love story, but in keeping the franchise going and I think she feels betrayed. More than likely they have done others the same, but since she was the firsts minority I think it bothers her more. All just my opinion....and for those who are going at her, you have a right to yours.

I am not connecting with our new champ...at all. I've been rock solid on final Jeopardy all week...surprising myself!

Yeah I thought the same thing.

They have FACETIME, Zoom, WebEX and the good old telephone....and is his mother deceased? No big deal, I'm sure there have been parents before that didn't come. I personally would not if my child went on this show. I would be in hiding... And before people say "they didn't know," Ben gives the vibe that he has had issues for a while. They may not have known what or how severe, but I'd bet they know they have a child with issues.

Watching the clips back I realize this was a new situation, but they've been doing this for a while now. Why would they choose a place so notoriously hot and not either give them different clothes, or at least wiped them off during filming? It was so uncomfortable watching the people sweat....I mean Ivan was even sweating inside??!! Who made that call? even with COVID restrictions they could have found a cooler place to film where they could do outside things. I also think they could have been more creative with the dates even in one location. Clearly they were doing something to keep Tayshia "fresh" and sweat free, but they let the men drip like that...it was so ewww!!! I also affirmed how shallow I am. I cannot get past the strange mouths on this show....so Zac and Ben could never be hot to me.....personalities aside none of them are physically wow. Brendan has nice eyes, but the rest of him is very little boy like. I appreciate that Ivan doesn't like to lead with his body like Ben does...and it is clear he is in good shape. I find that interesting. Brendan too, but then again I wasn't watching at the beginning.