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So in one of her interviews she said in a very snarky way that she was "surprised" and it was "interesting" that Ivan thought she would leave with no one......WTF? You gave a big speech about your strong convictions and being a grown woman that knows her mind, invites him to Fantasy Suite, Act like you are into Brendan and all they know is Brendan is gone, so they don't know if you sent him home....he has NO IDEA what your connection is to the other guys, he just knows that you keep assuring him he is "perfect" and you can see a life together...you walk in, let Ben go, and then eliminate him ....with no emotion...and you are "interested" that he thought you might not leave with anyone? She was all over the place trying to make a good season. This is why I have issues with this show. Ben had already broken up with her and had days to learn his lines, or practice or think how he would feel if he was eliminated again. So clearly his reaction was not going to be the same. So do they really think that when someone was blind sighted that they immediately break into praising her or "being a good sport," especially when feelings are involved? It seams like the lead wants to be praised at all times.....annoying. Have some damn empathy. Not everyone was trying to be "perfect" with everything they said. I would have bet they didn't have sex, but now I am wondering if they did and he told her about the religion after the sex? Of if he didn't satisfy her and she is wondering why he didn't know he was gone after that. It is heartbreaking listening to him talk about that religion conversation.....which solidifies to me it was mainly an excuse instead of her just coming clean, so she could still look good when she is now saying she knew it was Zac all along. Then Ben came back so she could use him instead because he was more head over heels for her...and in the end her father shamed her into not doing it fully. I totally support her decision, but my heart breaks for him. I agree with him, you don't really need someone who can accept you the way you are. And now he is saying she basically outed him as people in his own family didn't know and he didn't think she would say it on camera when she sent him home, but he understands it and is not mad about it, but he is having to deal with that. Not that he was hiding it, but he wasn't putting that out there. She totally did it to make herself look good because she knew she had been saying he was so "perfect" so she had to make it something BIG.

@JudyObscureSince I am so jaded and biased I listened to their podcast with Rachel to try to be objective. She actually said she is moving to New York to live with him a while and keeping her own place.....they wanted to date and be normal. Although they did contradict at one point...by saying they were going to see which place worked best, but later Zac admitted his life is really in New York and Rachel pointed out so they are really talking about her moving there. They also talked about stepping back from the limelight to enjoy each other and date, yet I just saw an article saying she wants to be on Dancing with the Stars.....because of course she does! Podcast they came off well, but Zac strikes me as someone who can't believe someone so pretty would be interested in him..kind of like a worship thing. I think it might work only because he is not active on social media, etc. Anyway I came here to say I am super interested in tennis and have been following Venus Williams because she is doing workouts and cooking.....but guess who her guests are???? Tyler Cameron and Matt James!!! What? This franchise is haunting me!

@Alexander Pope You make me feel so much better about my shallow thoughts about Ben. I searched high and low for the "hotness" but had to accept we all see something different. He reminds me of a puppy. But I will go on record to say that of the guys we saw Spencer and Brendan were the closest to cute and they were missing something. Bodies is another story. Of what I saw, Kenny. Ben's body was even shaped oddly to me. I think Riley may have been hiding a nice one, but I never saw him shirtless. In general I never think the men on this franchise are that attractive from Googled pictures or commercials. My final thoughts: I think Tayshia made the right choice for Tayshia and hope it works out because these are real lives. She wanted to move to New York, she wants to be a stay at home mom and no one else was going to offer her that chance. She can be a high style lifestyle influencer and I think that will suit her. Zac seems to be someone who had not had relationships and would be a worshipper, and Tayshia seems to be someone who would want that, so it works. Personally I don't think leaving alone was an option for her, so she made the best of it. I didn't like any of the leads I saw, (Rachel/Ben abbreviated) even after giving them wide latitude for editing and secretly have issues with anyone who goes on the show, but can tolerate some more than others. I understand this year more than any because heck, if someone had asked me in the middle of COVID while we are all re evaluating our lives and don't know what comes next I would have went.....Tic Tacs ready....really Altoids. Oddly at the end I don't think he is attractive, an he did not connect for me, but Zac is the one I think was the most genuine. I side eye thanking someone 10 years later when you are in the media, but whatever it is part of the package. I actually like him way more than Tayshia. Anytime you have to keep saying you are real an authentically yourself, you probably are not. My issue ultimately is with the manipulation and pretense. Just as Tayshia had already told Rachel Zac was it, she was still pretending others had a shot and was willing to fake a rose ceremony. I cannot respect that, or the fact that she was never into Ivan but involved his family thus resulting in his compromised father traveling during COVID to support his son.....it is these type of things that bother me. I could never sign a contract that would make me act in a way that was not me for the sake of making moments for a show. Had they traveled there would have been way more of that. Clearly she may have wanted to do a Claire and production shut that down, but I respect people who are true to themselves. You can't do that no matter how nice a person you are when you sign a contract. That is why I have a new respect for Claire, Brendan an anyone who walks away. Also they are contractually obligated to do certain things after the show, so I get that. And the contestants making the most of the attention, but you can still do that with some class. I just hate the ones that hang on to it forever. They are human though and people can grow. It certainly is a story to tell your children! Just to add, after listening to a podcast from a different perspective, I actually think production and Tayshia did Ben dirty in some ways and I am shocked that I am having more sympathy for him. Especially with the above comment about Rachel...she never should have let him back. I am having more sympathy for him, but I also think he was a willing participant to some of the shenanigans. If not, they really did him wrong especially knowing his history.

@Back AtchaI owe a friend. The problem is , I am very analytical. So I try to analyze everything and really do in depth research on people, situations etc. That is not the personality for this show. I also hate the narratives they create and the way they manipulate the audience and contestants. I promised someone I would watch every minority season....but after this Tayshia thing I don't know that I can. If you are talking about Zac I think he is creepy, but oddly he is the only one that I thought was mostly real, including Ivan. Supposedly the internet detectives are saying his family is loaded, so he can give Tayshia the life she wants and may have been the best choice for her for that. No hate on Tayshia, I just think she is a certain type of person and she probably did find someone who fits that happy ending. If so, good for her. Color me shocked that Rachel is still married.

@AllyCat7 According to the people who watch the show, being my friend and several co workers, Mexican decent on her mother's side. I almost think some podcast or something brought it up when she left the show because they were saying that Tayshia should not be called the first Latina Bachelorette because of Claire. Which makes me believe that there have been no other Latina leads? I don't know. But since you need 99 sources and a resume of reasons you watch this show, to post on this board etc. don't quote me on that.....

Uh ok....?? I said that a long time ago we can agree to disagree and that everyone has an opinion I am curious, however, since you said she keeps her personal life private, how then do you know anything other than what she wants you to see? I can make my assumptions, and you are making yours, so it really is the same. None of us really know these people and I have said that several times. I saw a women that was forcing chemistry with most of the men to make a good show. All the desperate grabbing face kisses..and giggly banter. Since we don't know her, why do we know that is real? And I already said Ivan seems to have a good opinion of her....so yes, they all won. But I think she did not show her real self on the show, or they gave her a bad edit in some ways and a too good edit in others. Since I am not the only one who feels that way and there are people who watch the show who feel the same way, there must be a "there there." People followed many celebrities for years and knew nothing about their real lives...Bill Cosby and a few others come to mind. The media is great at making you feel a certain way about people...for some it is positive for others negative. I bring him up because again my BS detector is great. My family lauds me from saying since I was a child something was off about him and I didn't trust him....when he was an ICON an America's Dad....

Because she said out of her own mouth to Ivan that she had NO ONE HER OWN age that was Bi racial or had the background like she did to relate to or talk to.......but hey, maybe that was editing because I know , "she was being real with y'all." I could still be wrong, but I don't get all caught up in these people so if I am, oh well. I have no idea but when did she start talking about this Latina connection within the franchise?? Of course she identified as Black because uh, that's how the world was going to see her. Until recently they didn't even have the choices on forms of Black/Hispanic or Black Non Hispanic s they do on some. I am actually glad that she is talking about her dual heritage because I also think it is important and wish Claire had done the same.... edited to add= exactly not until she was in interviews for the Bachelorette, not during Colton's season or BIP unless my "sources" are wrong, but they don't claim to be a Tayshia expect, so who really knows?

As he should...and me sitting here with my WHITE husband has no issue with who Tayshia dates or chooses, but she was not really open, and that is my point. Ivan said he had dated all types of people which to me is a plus that he was really open to finding out about Claire. I have no issue with Ivan dating white women or whomever he was dating. As I said, he was recruited as was Brendan, Joe, Noah and several others, But for the shut down and Corona and feeling a certain way I doubt many of the men who are on this show would be here and they came to get a vacation and see what happens. I am not mad at that. If all this was not going on I think many of them would have turned it down, Brendan an Joe being two. She had time after that relationship and between franchise shows to change her life before being put in an artificial world. Yes, I think she said she was open, but was she really? Similar to Tayshia the first time I dated interracially it was a LAWWWT. It took me a while to get comfortable with hand holding, etc. and I had white, hispanic, etc. friends all my life....and I didn't have a camera on me expecting me to make some statement about being a minority on a popular tv show. Some people are hung up on trying to insinuate that I feel Tayshia should have chosen a man of color...not at all. I think ANY lead should have a real history of dating a variety of people if they are going to cast a variety of people. People should choose who they are attracted to or who fits their lifestyle and not string others along, especially not for how it is going to play out on television or decide national television is the time to experiment. I already said I think Ivan held back because he knew and decided to see where it would go and at some point decided to play it to the end, but I do think along the way it became real to him. "99% of people in Ivan's age range these days live it up on social media. Again, he wants to start a charity.....he is raising his profile...GOOOOOO Ivan. With COVID and the world uncertainty I don't see him quitting his job any time soon, but based upon the goals he stated that is not at all unrealistic.....

@Ms Blue Jay Ivan said her mother is an immigrant from Mexico and they bonded because his mother is an immigrant from the Philippines (ot spell checking) My friend said she had to start side eyeing Tayshia because all of a sudden she wanted to speak about her heritage (after BLM) and makes a point to say how she is not just black but has a Mexican uncle that is a senator and mentions another one that is accomplished. She follows this franchise and said Tayshia has not ever played this up before..until they started promoting her and was clearly to raise their profile of inclusivity along with Matt James. I have no time for people like that...who make no effort to expand their circle but pretend it is something important to them. Which also makes me wonder what "faith" she is because it can't be to inclusive if she doesn't have people from church at least she can relate to. I am not talking about Matt because other than the Tyler connection and the juvenile Quarantine Crew I know nothing about him, but a quick glance at his social at least indicates he has black friends. I agree with Ivan - who again defended her- not everyone has to have a dissertation about BLM or racial issues, I get that, but something is off about her. Also, I agree with him that it is about what she does moving forward. I suspect she continues to pretend to fly the flag for being a minority Bachelorette, but to be honest before BLM if Tayshia had got the gig she would have been advocating for being" seen like everyone else" now she is using language about representing. How is she going to represent something she herself said she doesn't understand....SMH.

Heck unless her religion practices polygamy she would not be on the show. And Sean is local and I called BS on him too. I didn't watch his season so I have no idea how he carried himself but from what I've read here he was at least up front about his so called beliefs.

Actually I think he did. I think Ivan had red flags when she said she had no one like him she could relate to her age gave the BS reason about being RAISED in OC like she is not 30 years old, and did not have a lot to add about BLM. He kinda knew they were on a different path but wanted to see how it goes. She gave him just enough to keep him going. I think that is why he held back from her, but toward the end he really thought he could overcome it. When both of your parents are minorities and you have never seriously dated a minority that is a red flag for me. No one has to agree. I have a white husband and a history of dating all kinds of men but I would never not date someone who looked like me. I get she was in a 7 year relationship but for me after BLM and doing some self reflection the last thing I would have done was thrown myself back into this franchise and use a man to "experiment" with. She said herself something about never thinking she would be on the show dating someone like him and opening herself up to dating different types of men. So yeah I think at some point he knew he wanted to get awareness out there about the charity he wants to start and what he can get out of the franchise...and I am here for it! He knew that all along so he is a very analytical man...why waste tears over that? And you remember she had just let Ben back, that told him something too. I wouldn't have cried either....at all. In fact, I was hoping he self eliminated at that point. Both Brendan and Claire are my hereos of the season. I have many friends and family members who grew up in neighborhoods with no minorities but their parents make sure they had playdates, vacations, family friends, that were minorities so they would have friends and a background like theirs. It doesn't even have to be a man, where are her minority friends? To make a statement like that...I have no one my age that I can relate to on these issues? Uhhh So he was fighting uphill all the time. She was definitely going to be more receptive and comfortable with what she is used to....no malice. As for people bringing up Rachel not choosing a minority, and I know it is coming although Bryan is a minority but for some people that only means Black or dark skinned....she has said that she at least had dated interracially and she was open to it. Had in fact thought that if she came on the show she would NOT end up with a black man but she was ok with it if it was the right man. It is unfair for them to have leads and contestants that this is the first time they are even thinking of dating someone different....and with screening, think about it. If faith is so important to Tayshia I would be surprised if it was not in their screening process so why the big surprise? I know they were brought in for Claire, but you would ask before Fantasy Suites. She actually said FAMILY was most important to her but you bring back Ben whose parents you can't even meet on video chat?? I have no issue with the preference, but she was playing a game for optics and nothing she, he or the producers say will change my mind. I just have to disagree with people.

Whatever it is it is BS. It was a convenient reason to not make her look bad, 100%

@SHDNah a lot of people resent the snarking. If you are not 100% on board with thinking these people are great and real and honest it is rough. Ivan is such a gentleman that when he puts out something it will be without any hint of bitterness and something nice about her and the show....which is more than they deserve. I don't blame Tayshia for her feelings, I do blame her for how she played along with the BS.

I could not watch this every season. I become an ugly person watching this show....or at least I let the ugly out. Maybe I am the one that needs therapy and self reflection....🤔

Nah, they made sure Ben had that spot.

This! Every time she talks I roll my eyes.

Wasn't sure about Brendan, but after listening to him on the podcast yeah he and Ivan were the best. Ironically they asked Brendan who was the best for her and he said Ivan.....even though he liked Ben and Zac a lot. He also said he likes and has a history of dating ethnic women.....

Do these guys know any word other than incredible? I need a man with an extensive vocabulary....especially when it comes to describing ME!! I agree with 1/2 of this.

The internet is UNMATCHED for rooting out stuff. It is kind of scary. I know a lot of it is trash and bad information, but a lot of it is accurate.

So did he really throw in the "now I can cry" thing at the end? 🤣 Tayshia has really changed him! Lawd.........we really had to suffer through him meeting the parents for this? This just proves it is the producers.....she knew at the rose ceremony and should have let both Ivan and Ben go...they already knew, but they were determined not to let Ivan be final two!!! They wanted to drag out Ben's arc and she went along with it. Either that or her ego was so boosted by the fact that he came back and begged her. If Zac's family is rich that explains everything. Tayshia strikes me as a person who has been told she is a princess her whole life and wants a fairytale.....and what better way to prove to those who you have been trying to "show you matter" while being different in Orange County than by having more MONEY than them? Also, it took Zac 10 years to thank his Angel who is working in the same bank and wasn't hard to find? When she SAVED HIS LIFE? Coincidentally just in time to get some press out of it. I'll bet this was also show driven. If he wanted to do that and it meant so much to him he had TEN years. Are any of these people even close to real? I hope Ivan gets publicity to help start his charity and I won't blame him for milking it for all it is worth.

I totally missing the last few minutes and kept reading the boards and Twitter. What did they talk about? What job she would have? See these are things I would have already talked about in Fantasy Suites. So that I am clear, with me the only thing happening in Fantasy Suites would have been some old fashion grilling. What is a sahm? With 5 kids she either plans not to work or she wants someone wealthy enough that she can't work. She'll be one of those having an Instagram and Youtube of "The Clark Family."

Me thinking about how much I love God and my husband won't move from the couch on Sunday....about how my dad was a good man but rarely went to church and my mother, siblings and I I were in. Church, Sunday School and Vacation Bible school., the Choir, Youth group...etc...and they were together 41 years before she died. How people marry and convert to the other religion all the time. How religion is a no go but other things are not. Everyone is different. By the way, the way I feel about Rachel is no secret, but I listened to a couple of podcasts she did and I understand her better. She 100% confirmed a lot of my speculation...and she happened to mention that she and Bryan worship differently and that she finally had to ask herself if he was a good man with all the morals and values that she cared about, how much of deal breaker that was. I respected her a little more after that and that was three days before this episode and that BS excuse. Tayshia is using that so she doesn't get backlash because she and the producers know what she did was suspect......as my mom always said there is the right way to do the wrong thing.

Unless we have not been shown something does this mean that she and Ben do not sleep together? Because I 100 think she didn't with Ivan ( thank god for him) and Brendan left.

God she looks like the type that would make one of those annoying choreographed cutesty dances.

I think I have a reaction to Tayshia because unfortunately our faces are shaped the same way! My uncle has a cute nick name for me because of it, but I have always hated it. I know it is shallow, but Zac would have to fix his teeth for me......go ahead, I deserve everything I get for that comment. Ben would have to fix his whole face, as well as his necklines, way of speaking and overall dress sense.......he is so oft putting to me even though I think deep down he is sweet, he is just misguided...and a manipulator. Yes, you can be more than one thing at a time.