Featherhat January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 Sara got the clocktower and "adopted" an orphan named Sin not to mention fighting skills on par or better than Oliver, an origin storyline very connected but training very separate to Oliver and she still got killed for D. Laurel "Instant!Canary" Lance. KC has been brought back so many times I don't think she has to worry about names or bars. GATV is assuring people the three are co-leads and KC has the most screentime since S1 Arrow, she's not the one that has to be concerned. Yeah, she'll probably end up living in the Queen Mansion curtesy of Olicity's kid, ironic. 1 hour ago, tv echo said: Potential candidates for Mia's fiance (assuming that the ring on her finger means that she's engaged): Too Obvious: Connor MG-Style Surprise Twist: JJ Sacrificial Red Shirt: Some rich guy we've never seen before, maybe played by Chad Duell. (Spec: He turns out to be a bad guy and Mia is forced to kill him. Trauma galore.) I'm still going with almost certainly JJ, for maximum shock value. Last time we saw him he was about to behead Mia and now surprise! he and Mia are childhood sweethearts (although JJ is 5 years older and Mia is still only 21 so hmmm) and Connor is Deathstroke because he never got adopted but has a good heart deep down. Then Mia remembers both versions of the boys and drama!! ensues. 4 Link to comment
apinknightmare January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) Matt Mitovich deleted his tweet about GA&TC reminding him of OUAT season 7, LOL Edited January 19, 2020 by apinknightmare 12 Link to comment
way2interested January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: Matt Mitovich deleted his tweet about GA&TC reminding him of OUAT season 7, LOL Lol CW: Delete that tweet, we already are pushing this thing ahead! MM: But-- CW: Delete it or we won't give you exclusives anymore! MM:*deletes* 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) Not sure what to make of this tweet... Edited January 19, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
Featherhat January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 3 minutes ago, tv echo said: Not sure what to make of this tweet... I imagine "dodging tricky questions like a pro" or something. Since she has been saying stuff like "everything's very beautiful and heart felt" without saying anything that would have Beth putting her on the naughty step from now until next crossover. 18 minutes ago, apinknightmare said: Matt Mitovich deleted his tweet about GA&TC reminding him of OUAT season 7, LOL Snerk. Yeah because that's lukewarm praise at best and I can kind of see where he's coming from from what we know. Link to comment
tv echo January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) Edited January 19, 2020 by tv echo Link to comment
Chaser January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 I like how the reactions range from SOGOOD! AMAZING! to ‘I’m going to have to sleep on this’ and silence. 2 Link to comment
CabotCove January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) Quote can almost see how Laurel can feature into a spin-off, maybe, but why Dinah? The character doesn't have all that much to her. Disagree. Dinah Drake is the writers/show's chosen Black Canary, the one that showed up in Crisis crossover, the one they chose to be a member of Oliver's Team Arrow. Dinah D has more more reason to be in this and mentor Mia than Laurel... Edited January 19, 2020 by CabotCove Link to comment
Trisha January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) 17 hours ago, Chaser said: If Dinah has a bar, how long have they been in the future before getting Mia? Is this the hype writer who kept talking up Laurel and Oliver in the first couple of episodes? That big emotional scene in 8x01 that turned out to be a big nothing scene? I don’t think so. Here’s what she said about 8x01 She’s also didn’t love the concept of the backdoor pilot and really hyped up the “Present Tense” episode this season, so I’m guessing she’d prefer they went the FTA route. She’s me! Matt Mitovich deletes tweets all the time. Maybe someone got spicy in the comments? He doesn’t handle that well. Meanwhile KM is still out here retweeting her interviews with #OlicityBaby like a boss. I’m really curious about whether Dinah has a bar in the future or the present. If it’s the future that implies she’s been stuck in another timeline for a while. But if it’s the present that has some pretty terrible implications for Arrow as a whole. If the reset changed her from been a police officer to a bar owner in the present, what else did it change? Does everything we watched for the last eight seasons come into question? Edited January 19, 2020 by Trisha Link to comment
way2interested January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 5 minutes ago, Trisha said: Matt Mitovich deletes tweets all the time. Maybe someone got spicy in the comments? He doesn’t handle that well. It might have been that he only innocently compared the two because of the plot similarities and didn't like that people were construing it to mean it was bad/he didn't like it, I could picture it. 6 minutes ago, Trisha said: I’m really curious about whether Dinah has a bar in the future or the present. If it’s the future that implies she’s been stuck in another timeline for a while. But if it’s the present that has some pretty terrible implications for Arrow as a whole. If the reset changed her from been a police officer to a bar owner in the present, what else did it change? Does everything we watched for the last eight seasons come into question? I think it would have to be the future because it's clear they built a set for it, presumably to be reconstructed/used for the show. As for explanation about being a bar owner, since the talking point seems to be about "Dinah's backstory," I'm guessing that some sort of explanation about how she could be a bar owner when she was a police captain will come from that. 1 Link to comment
Chaser January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 14 minutes ago, Trisha said: I don’t think so. Here’s what she said about 8x01 She’s also didn’t love the concept of the backdoor pilot and really hyped up the “Present Tense” episode this season, so I’m guessing she’d prefer they went the FTA route. She’s me! Matt Mitovich deletes tweets all the time. Maybe someone got spicy in the comments? He doesn’t handle that well. Meanwhile KM is still out here retweeting her interviews with #OlicityBaby like a boss. I’m really curious about whether Dinah has a bar in the future or the present. If it’s the future that implies she’s been stuck in another timeline for a while. But if it’s the present that has some pretty terrible implications for Arrow as a whole. If the reset changed her from been a police officer to a bar owner in the present, what else did it change? Does everything we watched for the last eight seasons come into question? Oh sorry. I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean her, I meant the one who wrote the hypable article. Yeah, she’s me too. I think that’s where the comparison to OUAT comes in. They rebooted the characters so it’s like they wrote a spin off with full of doppelgängers. 3 Link to comment
apinknightmare January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 2 minutes ago, Chaser said: Oh sorry. I wasn’t clear. I didn’t mean her, I meant the one who wrote the hypable article. Yeah, the one who wrote the Hypable article definitely talked about a "heartfelt" moment between Oliver and Laurel in the first ep. I can't remember what else he wrote about her, but I remember that one because if he thought that was heartfelt...yikes. Link to comment
scarynikki12 January 19, 2020 Author Share January 19, 2020 Regarding the Once season 7 comparison it could be two things: 1) Regina owned a bar and got a new personality (courtesy of a new curse) which sounds like Dinah 2) The show obviously tried to replicate the first season that hooked the audience but was a pale imitation that ultimately made little sense The latter is what I’d be concerned about but tons get changed between pilots and series so I’m choosing to wait. 2 3 Link to comment
Featherhat January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to assume that until otherwise stated everything we watched on Arrow S1-8 happened except the FFs because I hate it when shows rewrite the entire thing like that. Of course we might somehow end up with a merged Laurel with a new backstory (more martial arts when Oliver died?) who is everything to everybody. "If you wanted E1 back, she has some of her memories, if you wanted snarky, antagonistic BS we're also chock full of that too...…" But in general unless something is explicably different its the same as the episodes I watched. Dinah at least has to have been in the future a while then. Maybe she has a Legends doohicky. Going from Police Captain to bar owner in your mid-late 30s isn't amazing but maybe she's burned out after everything. And if she's not supposed to be from then easier to do than fake your way into a police department you ran 20 years ago. Link to comment
scarynikki12 January 19, 2020 Author Share January 19, 2020 I’ve seen enough cop movies and shows that Dinah going from that to bar owner makes sense. Don’t know how realistic but it fits with fictional tropes. 3 Link to comment
CabotCove January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) 2 hours ago, way2interested said: Dang it, now I'm mad it isn't Sara for a pilot cameo, since that would have made way more sense (Sara was a Paragon who automatically remembered everything, she and Mia bonded in the crossover, she personally knew Oliver and saw his sacrifice firsthand, etc.) Well that just shows how the spin off creators poorly planned this and arent really serious at all, Sara is not the one they wanted to use for this spin off, she has her own show that just got renewed. They should have been establishing connections with Mia to the actual 2 Canaries she is going to be in spin off with. Now they are starting from a very weak point and desperately trying to create connections that are barely there. Awkward when you hate the characters so much, spend years trashing them and then realise you gonna need them for your next moneymaker. Edited January 19, 2020 by CabotCove 1 Link to comment
way2interested January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 Just now, CabotCove said: Well that just shows how the spin off creators poorly planned this and arent really serious at all, Sara is not the one they wanted to use for this spin off, she has her own show that just got renewed. They should have been establishing connections with Mia to the actual 2 Canaries she is going to be in spin off with. Now they are starting from a very weak point and desperately trying to create connections that are barely there. Lol, I'm not blaming Beth and co for not having CL be in 809, nor am I blaming them for focusing most of Mia's time in s8 on her bonding with Oliver. I wouldn't have wanted any of the time that Mia spent with Oliver to be instead devoted to her making "connections" with Dinah and Laurel (which sadly they still did, at least with Laurel). The weak point I blame on whatever Power That Be that decided that Dinah and Laurel had to be brought to the future rather than focus on FTA. It's like EBR not coming back until 810 and them having to write reasons around her absence, some things are just too messy to try to save and it's out of their hands. 9 Link to comment
way2interested January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 12 minutes ago, CabotCove said: Awkward when you hate the characters so much, spend years trashing them and then realise you gonna need them for your next moneymaker. From s8, they clearly weren't "trashing" Laurel. She's one of the only characters that had a semblance of a plot/arc other than Oliver and Mia. 1 Link to comment
Trisha January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 54 minutes ago, Featherhat said: For the sake of my sanity I'm just going to assume that until otherwise stated everything we watched on Arrow S1-8 happened except the FFs because I hate it when shows rewrite the entire thing like that. Yup, me too. Although Baby Sara kind of throws that in to disarray, but I’m going to just assume that’s the only major change. I saw people on Twitter yesterday making wish lists of all the things they hope the reset erased (the baby mama drama, Oliver marrying Nyssa, everything about Diaz) but at this point I’d rather take the good with the bad and have nothing pre-Crisis change significantly. 5 Link to comment
Velocity23 January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 I feel like the only X factor would be E2 LL. and how they explain the two Laurels we seen. 1 Link to comment
Chaser January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 27 minutes ago, CabotCove said: Awkward when you hate the characters so much, spend years trashing them and then realise you gonna need them for your next moneymaker. Awkward when you’ve been with a network for more than a decade and consistently fired, demoted, and recasted and STILL accept any job they give you. 2 14 Link to comment
Featherhat January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 1 hour ago, Trisha said: Yup, me too. Although Baby Sara kind of throws that in to disarray, but I’m going to just assume that’s the only major change. I saw people on Twitter yesterday making wish lists of all the things they hope the reset erased (the baby mama drama, Oliver marrying Nyssa, everything about Diaz) but at this point I’d rather take the good with the bad and have nothing pre-Crisis change significantly. Arrow doesn't physically have enough time to do detailed resets with one episode to go. And really what's the point of resetting stuff like Nyssa and the BMD. Olicity are (probably) going to end some version of "happy" and "together" even if it's a long road in number of years. I'd rather not have the whole show go AU even within it's own fictional universe, especially as most of the characters I love won't be around to act out the changes or deal with them. With William and Mia they have a whole 20 years off screen to mine for their lives together and if William wants to remember things about events before his mother died differently, well then that's not surprising as he was only about 11 when she died. There's also a lot of off screen stuff for Siren and Dinah they can create without having to actually change events. However tell not show is their favourite thing to do with any version of Laurel so I expect that, but hopefully not the equivalent of E1 Laurel always secretly being a vigilante in S1 or something extra silly. 3 Link to comment
Guest January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 (edited) I was just checking in to see if any finale pics had been posted as I've decided to tune in for that but alas... Anyway, why does this spinoff/809 sound like a hastily put-together hot mess of 2 different shows? 😬 I liked Kat as Olicity's daughter but it makes zero sense why the other two are even there. Bizarre. Plus they're awful so that doesn't help. 😂 Edited January 20, 2020 by Guest Link to comment
Josh371982 January 19, 2020 Share January 19, 2020 On 1/18/2020 at 6:36 PM, Primal Slayer said: So Dinah gets a new personality, Mia will probably dial with her former brooding self and socialite self, and Laurel will still be primarily E2 personality....and overall they seem to have the Prue/Piper/Phoebe dynamic going on. Mia having some of a socialite personality makes me hope she gets to not be so serious and broody. Have some humor and a bit more of her mom's personality 2 Link to comment
Josh371982 January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 54 minutes ago, Angel12d said: I was just checking in to see if any finale pics had been posted as I've decided to tune in for that but alas... Anyway, why does this spinoff/809 sound like a hastily put-together hot mess of 2 different shows? 😁 I liked Kat as Olicity's daughter but it makes zero sense why the other two are even there. Bizarre. Plus they're awful so that doesn't help. 😂 Yep. I only care about the Olicity Princess and think KM is a Doll, so I want the Spinoff to be picked up I just dont understand why William and Connor arent her other co leads and those two are. 1 Link to comment
Trisha January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 (edited) Not to spoil another show, but if Arrow is doing what Batman just introduced post-Crisis, I don’t know how they’re going to tackle/explain these changes in just two episodes while also delivering a satisfying wrap to the world that they’d previously established for eight seasons. ETA: Supergirl did it too. Edited January 20, 2020 by Trisha Link to comment
statsgirl January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Another reason MM may have referenced OUaT is the time jump in both shows. Or maybe it is just that it is a hot mess like OUaT's last season, trying to write around the loss of many popular characters. 12 hours ago, tv echo said: Sacrificial Red Shirt: Some rich guy we've never seen before, maybe played by Chad Duell. (Spec: He turns out to be a bad guy and Mia is forced to kill him. Trauma galore.) As a General Hospital viewer, oh please, this one. Since Chad Duell posted a clip of practising a fight scene, he's most likely going to do something active and yeah probably a bad guy. 1 Link to comment
lemotomato January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 24 minutes ago, statsgirl said: As a General Hospital viewer, oh please, this one. Since Chad Duell posted a clip of practising a fight scene, he's most likely going to do something active and yeah probably a bad guy. Since it looks like the Bertinellis are involved, maybe he stays true to form and plays the son of a mobster. 1 Link to comment
Primal Slayer January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Since we're seeing Crisis fall out on the other shows.....I really hope Arrow doesnt pull what I think they'll pull with Laurel....they probably will but still.. Link to comment
tv echo January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 (edited) A scene from the Monitor's back story in 808 gave me a wild thought as to Olicity's ultimate fate... (On the Planet Maltus, 10,000 years ago) Xneen: "Are you seeing this quantum flux cascade?"Mar Novu: "I am just a time traveler here, my love. You are the Monitor... Engaging quantum portal." The personal and professional relationship between Mar Novu and his wife reminded me a bit of the relationship between Oliver and Felicity. They were married and in love. At work, they were equals. And she monitored him while he was out in the field. Actually, when Mar Novu said that Xneen was "the Monitor," I was taken aback at first, but then I realized that he was referring to her job. What if, after the Monitor escorts Felicity through the portal in 2040 (assuming that still happens), he takes her to Maltus where Oliver is waiting? Then Oliver & Felicity together become the "Overwatch" of the new multi-verse, supervising all Monitors and watching over all Earths. Edited January 20, 2020 by tv echo 3 1 Link to comment
tv echo January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 (edited) This IBT writer is stating some things as facts that we've only speculated about, so I don't know if she saw the 809 advance screening or if she's making assumptions... ‘Green Arrow And The Canaries’ TV Show: 7 Facts About The ‘Arrow’ Spinoff By Nicole Massabrook 01/20/20 https://www.ibtimes.com/green-arrow-canaries-tv-show-7-facts-about-arrow-spinoff-2905425 Quote “Arrow” is ending, but a new era is beginning. Tuesday’s episode of The CW drama is actually a backdoor pilot for a potential spinoff, “Green Arrow and the Canaries.” The episode will pick up in 2040 with Mia, Dinah Drake and Laurel Lance suiting up to save the city in the future. * * *Mia Is Different: The trailer has already indicated that Mia (Katherine McNamara) is living a much less traumatic life. Instead of being trained by Nyssa and raised in secret, she has grown up in the public eye as the daughter of the greatest hero alive. That changes everything. Mia is a happy-go-lucky socialite who doesn’t want to commit to a desk job at Smoak Tech alongside her brother William (Ben Lewis). She’ll need her memories of her old life back before she agrees to help Laurel (Katie Cassidy) and Dinah (Juliana Harkavy). * * *Star City Is Safe: Sounds crazy, right? Well, Oliver certainly didn’t fail his city. After Crisis, Star City becomes one of the safest places in the world. However, there are forces looming who want to destroy that reputation. * * *No Present Day: Fans will have to wait until next week’s series finale to see how everyone has been affected by “Crisis on Infinite Earths.” The entire hour will be dedicated to the 2040 storyline. * * *Laurel and Dinah Aren’t Old: They are their 2020 selves who both ended up in 2040 separately. One planned her trip. The other very much did not. * * *Huntress’ Daughter: Helena Bertinelli/The Huntress is not in the spinoff pilot, but her daughter Bianca Bertinelli (Raigan Harris) appears. She plays a big part in the episode. Edited January 20, 2020 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
lemotomato January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 It sounds like she saw a screener. I’m glad to see that Smoak Tech still exists in this reality and is the family business. Link to comment
apinknightmare January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 My desire to see a nicer future and be a S8 completionist vs the knowledge that tuning in means willingly subjecting myself to a double dose of Dinahs...bleh. 1 1 Link to comment
Chaser January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Watched Batwoman, read about the changes to SG. This is all confusing. 2 Link to comment
way2interested January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Lol is EBR in the episode? CW isn't making it clear 4 Link to comment
Trisha January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 So is Moira a doppelgänger from another Earth? Might also explain Oliver in the season 1 suit. Interesting that Felicity seems to be wearing her old glasses, too. 1 Link to comment
apinknightmare January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 I'm glad Felicity's going to get to meet older Mia - hope older William shows up too. Pity that a whole universe reset couldn't get Roy his arm back, lol. 5 Link to comment
Chaser January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Oliver forgot about Roy...again ☹️ FELICITY! And in more than a 30 sec scene! 🎉 3 Link to comment
Velocity23 January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Chaser said: Oliver forgot about Roy...again ☹️ FELICITY! And in more than a 30 sec scene! 🎉 And they didnt even include the most important scene with Felicity and Oliver the one that made Bamford cry. 3 Link to comment
Featherhat January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 (edited) Wow, everyone's back. A version of Moira gets to meet her grandson. Have fun explaining why this is the first time Moira. Unless Oliver reset that when he rebooted the multiverse and Slade never killed her. Felicity and Older Mia probably delivering Oliver's message. Sobs. Thea and Roy and a potential happy ending setting up the LOH with the Al Ghul sisters! 4 minutes ago, Velocity23 said: And they didnt even include the most important scene with Felicity and Oliver the one that made Bamford cry. Hah, if they had included a photo of that it would be a Caity Lotz gives no shits about spoilers one. These photos show that as promised Oliver is VERY DEAD Y'ALL DO YOU HERE ME!! There was a rumour going around that EBR was only in two scenes. Assuming there is an Olicity one that info seems to be completely false. Edited January 20, 2020 by Featherhat 1 Link to comment
Trisha January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 I love that the paps have no idea what’s going on. Unless the Reddit guy strikes again there’s a good chance this ep won’t get spoiled. I’m really not sold on the theory that Oliver’s deal/reset meant bringing his loved ones who died back because it undercuts everything we’ve experienced with this show. Also, where’s Tommy and his dad? I’m guessing the still of Sara in the mansion is here going to the future to grab Mia from 2040 for the memorial? Link to comment
insomniadreams88 January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Wow, I don't think we've ever gotten this many photos of Felicity for an episode before. 2 Link to comment
Featherhat January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Trisha said: I’m really not sold on the theory that Oliver’s deal/reset meant bringing his loved ones who died back because it undercuts everything we’ve experienced with this show. Also, where’s Tommy and his dad? I'm not either but I'm not sure what it can be. A doppelganger doesn't mean the same thing as his own mother being there and undercuts Moira's death as well if the rest just have another version of her. I suppose that theoretically could be the beautiful ending to the show, if Oliver stays dead and everyone else is brought back. Not at all convinced though. I'm sure even if making a deal to bring everyone else back to life E1 Malcolm would stay dead despite sacrificing himself for Thea. Link to comment
insomniadreams88 January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 2 minutes ago, Featherhat said: I'm not either but I'm not sure what it can be. A doppelganger doesn't mean the same thing as his own mother being there and undercuts Moira's death as well if the rest just have another version of her. Maybe they'll keep that moment but have it be that Moira miraculously survived being stabbed with a sword? (Make it be a Queen family trait?) Link to comment
apinknightmare January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 7 minutes ago, Featherhat said: A doppelganger doesn't mean the same thing as his own mother being there On Arrow it does! 3 2 Link to comment
Trisha January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 10 minutes ago, insomniadreams88 said: Maybe they'll keep that moment but have it be that Moira miraculously survived being stabbed with a sword? (Make it be a Queen family trait?) That's the stuff I worry about. Moira's death affected Oliver so much and changed his path. If they had the remainder of the season to deal with all the reset implications for the characters (like Supergirl does) I wouldn't mind, but changing the entire course of the show (or at least its major moments) in the final episode without having enough time to fully address it would suck. 3 Link to comment
Featherhat January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 1 minute ago, Trisha said: That's the stuff I worry about. Moira's death affected Oliver so much and changed his path. If they had the remainder of the season to deal with all the reset implications for the characters (like Supergirl does) I wouldn't mind, but changing the entire course of the show (or at least its major moments) in the final episode without having enough time to fully address it would suck. Yeah basically. So every death about the show and the fallout from them (might) be changed and we're definitely not going to have enough time to explore that. Hay, why not bring Rebecca Merlyn back whilst you're at it and then Malcolm never had a vendetta against the glades or joined the LOA at all. Of course then Thea might not exist. I've seen in a couple of places maybe Oliver is dead for real no other dimension or afterlife that we see so that all his family come back instead and really that would be bittersweet and everything but wouldn't work for me at all. 3 Link to comment
Primal Slayer January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 Moira AND Emiko are alive....I'm guessing this is their E-Prime selves though even if they were Doppelgangers, probably from a world close enough to Prime that it still cuts deep. I'm going to assume the finale takes place before GA&tC? With Moira alive,il I wonder if Prime Oliver ended up becoming more like comic Oliver. More wise cracking and happy, less brooding Bat. Link to comment
apinknightmare January 20, 2020 Share January 20, 2020 26 minutes ago, Primal Slayer said: I'm going to assume the finale takes place before GA&tC? According to the guy who wrote the Hypable review, yes. Link to comment
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