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Interesting that both Sam and Cait said they didn't play the scene for laughs.  It gives us a great insight into the acting process and the production.  And realizing that what the actors are going for might not play out that way in the final edit.

 

The best comedy results when actors are going for the truth of their character's situation.  The humor in this scene results from the absurdity of the situation as one character is rationally going about the business of accomplishing his objective, while the other cannot see anything rational about what is about to happen to her.

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Not an Outlander watcher, but feeling the need to give props to Sony Pictures today. An online friend who has been fighting the good but losing fight against Stage 4 cancer has recently entered hospic

WatchrTina
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Not Jamie but now that you mention it, Frank Randall and Black Jack Randall both bear a striking resemblance to Edmure Tully.  :)

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Caitriona had a baby!  https://www.rte.ie/entertainment/2021/0818/1241458-caitriona-balfe/

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I was reading a Salon article about the Game of thrones premiere ( http://www.salon.com/2015/04/09/%E2%80%9Cgame_of_thrones%E2%80%9D_hbo_throws_out_george_r_r_martins_books_and_saves_the_show ) and this sentence popped out at me:

 

Other shows ape it (“Marco Polo,” “Vikings,” and “Outlander” all owe their existence, in some way, to “Game Of Thrones);

 

I suppose that one of the reasons a chance was taken on Outlander is because of the success of Game of Thrones, but it makes me wonder (and does anyone know?) which series sold more books before the GoT the show came out. It seems to me Game of Thrones was lucky enough to get to tv first and the situations could have easily been vice versa. It's just interesting to me to say that Outlander the tv series owes it existence partly to Game of Thrones, because the book series came out before the Game of Thrones series.

 

(I do think it's funny when people say Outlander is similar to Game of Thrones - they're both based on large, wordy novels, but I don't think thematically they have much in common at all.)

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I just think it's lazy "reporting." The shows are apples and oranges and the book Outlander came out five years before Game of Thrones.

I know, it's like saying Outlander owes its success to Pretty Little Liars or Vampire Diaries being successful book adaptations. They're all completely different shows.

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Nidratime

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E-Online, during their weekly spoiler chat, received a question on Outlander. I'll put the whole thing in spoiler tags since it's about the show (not the books) and it's about one of the next episodes:

 

GemmaLee: Outlander scoop, please! What's with the scene with Sam in the river you mentioned?

It's a fun scene that will take place in one of the next two episodes, when Claire and Jamie go to Jamie's home, Lallybroch, and a mill needs to be fixed. And yes, because you asked (you didn't) and you are so pervy (you're not), it does involve him completely naked in said river. We asked Sam Heughan if the nudity (along with all the sex scenes) is becoming old hat at this point and he had a good laugh at the question. "No absolutely, it's not old hat! You know, it's a part of the books, it's all in there in the books. We don't shy away from it, but we try to make sure it's always moving the story forward. [The river scene] is a kind of fun lighthearted moment in the story, but it actually moves the story forward, without giving away too much, but there's another character there that may see what's happened to Jamie and it affects them and ultimately moves their relationships forward." For the record: I do NOT like how it moves things "forward!" ‘Cause we all know "forward" is code for "the awful, totally horrific stuff that is happening at the end of the season one." Pre-book your therapist now.

 

http://www.eonline.com/news/648276/spoiler-chat-scoop-on-vampire-diaries-outlander-revenge-orphan-black-and-more

 

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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

Diana promoted this one on Facebook

 

http://themuse.jezebel.com/outlanders-ron-moore-terry-dresbach-on-tartans-redco-1698084923

 

It's an interview with Ron & Terry about the costumes and this is my favorite bit from Terry:

 

 

I have to admit, I am the one who gave Ron the books. I love these books. I’ve read them, I don’t know, ten times or something. But the show that is closest in terms of experience is Carnivàle, for HBO. It’s the show that Ron and I met on. He was my boss, and it was an incredibly insane experience, and I didn’t have enough prep time and we had to dress thousands of people in clothes that we had to make and it was very very similar. And I went blind in one eye one day from the stress and he said, “Marry me.”

 

Awwwwww!

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Nidratime

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Interesting analysis of the last episode, Lallybroch, and of the overall show, itself, on Salon.

 

“Outlander” shows full male nudity — and laughs in the face of rape

http://www.salon.com/2015/04/26/outlander_shows_full_male_nudity_and_laughs_in_the_face_of_rape/

 

And another thoughtful review from the New York Times:

‘Outlander’ Recap: You Can’t Go Home Again

http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/04/25/outlander-recap-season-1-lallybroch/

 

Third one ... with some good comments by Heughan and Balfe:

‘Outlander’ Postmortem: The Past Catches Up to Jamie at Lallybroch

http://variety.com/2015/tv/news/outlander-lallybroch-jamie-claire-jenny-ian-1201480052/

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Nidratime

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Just wanted to add another one, with a quote. (I'm surprised at how many recaps/reviews of this episode are bringing up some interesting points -- and different points from each other. I'm so used to many of these articles being kind of shallow!)

 

This is from tv.com:

http://www.tv.com/shows/outlander/community/post/outlander-season-1-episode-12-lallybroch-review-142999152202/

 

Over the course of Outlander's short run, Jamie has been the object of a sexualized gaze from men, women, and essentially any living creature with a pulse and eyeballs, and I wonder if that's part of the reason he's so universally beloved by legions of Outlander lady readers. He is one of the few romantic heroes (and the only one who I personally know of) who understands how dehumanizing it is to be sexually objectified and preyed upon, and he struggles with not letting that define him.

 

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WatchrTina

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Oooh Nidratime thank you.  That review was excellent.  Love the quote above but another goody was this one:

 

Jenny, furious at all this meddling with rent day and the tenants, was like, “DO YOU THINK LIFE STARTED AROUND HERE WHEN YOU WALKED IN THE DOOR?” which is the most brilliant summation of Claire’s general attitude ever: She keeps utterly disregarding the context of time and culture in trying to morally right things, often to the exasperation of us as viewers. That statement was as satisfying as a tasty bannock, basically.

I love that quote too, though I think she was directing it mostly to Jamie and not Claire.  But it applies to Claire's behavior in other episodes.

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justmehere

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I checked on IMDB. He was in the episode "Judgment Day", near the end of season 4 -- one of the ones who put Joe Dawson on trial for breaking his Watcher oath. (I have the DVDs too.) Yes, he had hair! No beard. I wouldn't have recognized him if I wasn't looking for him.

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Nidratime

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Does 'Outlander' Need Its Sex Scenes to Survive? (Even If It's the Best Sex on TV)

http://www.indiewire.com/article/does-outlander-need-its-sex-scenes-to-survive-even-if-its-the-best-sex-on-tv-20150505

 

ETA: More information about season 2 in this article ... or maybe it's the same information but with the addition of talk of Comic Con in July where cast will appear and some foortage will be shown.

 

‘Outlander’ Season 1, Episode 14 Update: Plot Reveals Claire, Jenny searching for Jamie; Season 2 To Add New Characters

http://www.vcpost.com/articles/63538/20150504/outlander-season-1-episode-14-update-plot-reveals-claire-jenny-jamie-season-2-new-characters.htm

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WatchrTina

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Here are two very different reviews of episode 115, Wentworth Prison:

 

This one is quite thoughtful:  http://www.tv.com/shows/outlander/community/post/outlander-season-1-episode-15-wentworth-prison-review-143180689714/

 

This one is from a website where I expect snark and have enjoyed reviews before but this time, in my opinion, the reviewer tips over into petty, childish ranting. http://www.hitfix.com/harpy/recap-outlander-wentworth-prison-is-where-common-sense-goes-to-die

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I think the hitfix review is pretty spot on when it comes to pointing out all the bad choices that had to be made for this plot to happen the way it does.  Which is a problem in the book too.  It's not a section of book I ever reread, and it's not one I talk much about because it's just completely unpleasant in every aspect, but I happen to agree with the reviewer completely.  There's nothing petty or childish about pointing out when your protagonists have to make stupid decision after stupid decision to make the plot work.  

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Nidratime

Nidratime

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This one is from a website where I expect snark and have enjoyed reviews before but this time, in my opinion, the reviewer tips over into petty, childish ranting. http://www.hitfix.co...nse-goes-to-die

 

A friend of mine follows this "reviewer" on twitter and she drew my attention to her because the reviewer's seen the last two episodes ahead of time -- as reviewers do -- and apparently, she was so traumatized by episode 16, she has vowed not to review/follow the show for season 2, which I think is great to be honest. Hopefully, someone else will take over for her (unless the site decides to stop following Outlander) who will review the show and not put a lot of other expectations on it, like this:

 

• This fun historical romance has quickly taken a dark turn towards “torture porn” and I don’t like it. I prefer less gore in my love stories.

 

Outlander? A fun historical romance? Quickly taken a dark turn? I think this lady expected Downton Abbey or -- if you read historical romance --  someone like Julia Quinn who is very clever and writes charming romances that *are* humorous.

 

In any event, everything this reviewer says about what Claire or Jamie should've done is not what *was* done in the book. If Moore and Company had changed the plot that drastically or given Claire skills she doesn't have *then* everyone else would be saying that Moore was creating a Mary Sue situation to give our heroes amazing skills to thwart a whole prison full of guards and soldiers, every single time.

 

I think the hitfix review is pretty spot on when it comes to pointing out all the bad choices that had to be made for this plot to happen the way it does.  Which is a problem in the book too.  It's not a section of book I ever reread, and it's not one I talk much about because it's just completely unpleasant in every aspect, but I happen to agree with the reviewer completely.  There's nothing petty or childish about pointing out when your protagonists have to make stupid decision after stupid decision to make the plot work.

 

And, you would have had to have everything line up just so, giving our characters every advantage to have it come out differently. But, you know, that's normally what happens in most adventure stories. *This* story says no. Things don't always work out well every single time and heroes have to suffer in order to have something to overcome.

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chocolatetruffle

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Re the Hitflix review:

 

 

 

Her initial attempt to get Wentworth’s warden to give Jamie a letter fails miserably. Which would’ve been fine if they’d been using Claire as either reconnaissance of the warden’s office or as a distraction while the men knocked out the guards. But no. Claire was legitimately just trying to get Jamie a letter and as such is WASTING VALUABLE RESCUING TIME.

 

She totally missed that Claire wanted Fletcher to allow HER to take a letter from Jamie (and his response that it was too dangerous for a woman to walk thru the prison).  Claire WAS on reconnaissance to find out where they were holding Jamie.  Perhaps she should watch more carefully or with closed captioning on if she wants to write an ahem... "accurate" review.

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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

chocolatetruffle I think you might have gotten that wrong.  She does ask for a letter FROM Jamie but she also asks to visit him.  The visit would have let her know where he was being held (but Sir Fletcher says no) and the invitation from a "Mrs. Beauchamp -- a distant relative" to carry a letter from him to his family would have at least alerted Jamie that Claire was in the vicinity and that a plot was afoot, even if she didn't get to see him.  It would have given him hope at any rate.  But both plans came to naught.

 

As for that reviewer -- I think my main beef is that she could find nothing positive to say about an episode that was amazingly powerful, well-acted, and beautifully shot because Claire didn't go all Xena Warrior Princess on the guards in the prison.  Bollocks.

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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

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Exactly!  She had two goals when she went in and she failed at both.  Which is realistic.  Not all plots work (except in Mary Sue style fan-fiction).  Her being sick outside the prison was probably due as much to her having utterly failed as to her horror over receiving Jamie's personal effects.

 

And back on the topic of the media -- I just looked and there is no "tomatometer" score posted for this episode on Rotten Tomatoes.  In fact there are no scores for any episodes so I guess they don't give individual episode scores.  Too bad.  I'd really love to see an independent tally of the critics who liked this ep and those that did not.  I sense a real schism in people's points of view over this one.  Over on IMdB this episode has a current score of 9.8, which is really high, but it's probably too early to tell if that will stick (or even if IMdB scores are a fair measure of the total viewing audience's reaction.)

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Nidratime

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I thought I saw a tweet over the past week from Rotten Tomatoes which gave the series a 90% overall score.

 

As for that reviewer -- I think my main beef is that she could find nothing positive to say about an episode that was amazingly powerful, well-acted, and beautifully shot because Claire didn't go all Xena Warrior Princess on the guards in the prison.  Bollocks.

 

 

It reminds me of the old saying, "damned if you do; damned if you don't." If Gabaldon/the producers had turned Claire into Xena, Warrior Princess, there would have been an outcry of disbelief. Where did she get those skills?! How could she fight trained soldiers and overcome them basically alone?! After all, Claire was a combat nurse, not a combat soldier and leaving that aside, Jamie *is* a soldier and *he* couldn't overcome them all by himself! LOL!

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WatchrTina

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The New York Times Review is in.  http://artsbeat.blogs.nytimes.com/2015/05/16/outlander-recap-season-1-wentworth-prison/?_r=0

 

Here are my two favorite parts:

 

Nothing is as frightening or as torturous as watching [Claire's] breakdown when she is forced to leave Jamie behind to whatever Randall has planned for him. Caitriona Balfe is absolutely heartbreaking in the moment, her emotion made even more potent by Sam Heughan’s sadly numb eyes. Their performances, along with that of Tobias Menzies as Captain Randall, are nothing short of tremendous, finding humanity in the most inhumane of situations.

 

And 

Now, I’m not saying Jamie’s mother was a gold-digger, but I will note that she apparently walked down the aisle wearing the jewelry of two men that she did not happen to be marrying that day.

 

But even this reviewer struggles with the definition of "torture porn" and whether this episode falls into the category.

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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

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The Wall Street Journal weighs in:  http://blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/16/outlander-recap-season-1-episode-15-wentworth-prison/

 

Here are my favorite bits:

 

 

She, like her husband, fights Jack off admirably (speaking for the entire “Outlander” fan community by calling him a “f—ing sadistic piece of s–t!” 20th century represent, yo)

 

 

There is one thing that I’ve had to tell myself over and over again from the moment I first saw “Wentworth Prison,” the penultimate episode of the first season of “Outlander.”  If it weren’t for Black Jack Randall, Jamie would be dead by now.
All three principal actors: Heughan, Caitriona Balfe and Tobias Menzies deserve Emmy nominations for this scene, because what unfolds between them next will stay with you forever.
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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

Here's the AVClub's take:  http://www.avclub.com/tvclub/outlander-wentworth-prison-219541

 

My favorite bit:

 

The best scene comes near the end, after Randall has nailed Jamie’s hand to a table and the episode has severed every last piece of hope. Claire, fueled by her rage and despair, turns to Randall and tells him the rumors are true. She’s a witch, and she’s going to place a curse on him. She curses him with knowledge, whispering into his ear the exact day of his death. It’s a wonderfully shot scene, and you see, for the first time, the slightest glimmer of fear in Randall’s eyes as the camera focuses in on him. Claire fucking Fraser, y’all.

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WatchrTina

WatchrTina

Connie Verzak's photo recap of the episode in ScotlandNow is fabulous and surprisingly funny:  

http://www.scotlandnow.dailyrecord.co.uk/lifestyle/outlander-recap-episode-15-wentworth-5716358

 

How she ends it:

 

 

#ThingsOutlanderTaughtMe

• I want to kill Randall, but Tobias Menzies is a majestic unicorn, and I am considering starting a cult to worship him.

• If you have a Murtagh, never leave him behind. ALWAYS TAKE A MURTAGH.

• Listening to three people cry simultaneously is about my limit for group crying.

• Ellen Fraser’s parritch brought every single boy to the yard. Maybe some animals, even.
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