S08.E03: The Long Night

[Bali]

7 minutes ago, Macbeth said:

I wanted to see that too!!  What would happen if Viserion blew ice fire at Jon. 

It's clear that cold can't kill Jon - He's the ice in "Fire and Ice".  So when Viserion was about to engulf  Jon in ice flames - I was "Let her rip. It may not go the way you think it will". 

I disagree. I think that Jon is Ice AND Fire. Half Stark, Half Targaryen The Prince who was promised, who will unite the Kingdom and end the dark night of never ending war.

Or he's the tragic hero of a squashed rebellion. I just don't know. 

[JonasArm]

9 hours ago, Law Mom said:

And one other thing. Yes, many of these women have been raped and that leaves psychological scars. But as far as we know, Sansa is the only one who was left with presumably permanent chronic pain as a result of her repeated assaults. Think about that for a second. What would that be like, to never be able to forget what happened to you for a single second? I cut her a lot of slack for that.

When was this stated?

[Blakeston]

9 hours ago, sistermagpie said:

But that would be absurd and everyone knew it. If the worst happened nothing would fall on them at all because they would be dead. They wouldn't be keeping anything alive or staying strong.  The fact that Sansa is there at all is an admission that things are not going well. Of course everyone's hoping they'll beat the odds again, but nobody's getting their hopes up too much. It would be like sitting with someone on their deathbed telling them to think positive.

I don't think it's an "absurd" scenario that the people in the crypt would have to rebuild the Northern civilization. They're almost in that situation now.

If the human casualties had gotten a little higher before Arya stabbed the Night King - and they would have been higher if most of the familiar characters weren't wearing their plot armor - it would be time for Tyrion and a small handful of other guys to start getting it on to repopulate the area.

[DarkRaichu]

56 minutes ago, Bali said:

I disagree. I think that Jon is Ice AND Fire. Half Stark, Half Targaryen The Prince who was promised, who will unite the Kingdom and end the dark night of never ending war.

Or he's the tragic hero of a squashed rebellion. I just don't know. 

Or a naive guy who wears the best plot armor in the entire show 😛

(which is another reason I want to see blue flame unleashed on him, to see which would win: unexplained cool looking story device or the plot armor 😄 )

Edited May 1, 2019 by DarkRaichu

[Bannon]

1 hour ago, BooBear said:

I don't need that story to see that, but yes, it was a major disaster. Kind of ruined the episode for me because you're like, really? On the behind the scenes they kept talking about how they didn't want the plan to work for the heroes. There is a difference between the plan not working and the plan being poor in the first place. It was the one sour point in the episode for me. 

I thought the Slate piece, by the Army War College professor, was much better, in that it noted that the living's greatest strategic victory was having the major battle take place immediately, right in front of Winterfell, since the living, needing food and water, unlike their enemy, had zero chance of winning a siege. The guys in the Vox piece seem to be saying that the living should have invited a siege, and that is exactly wrong.

They also fail to note that the NK has effective antiaircraft weapons that the living do not possess, and as the War College prof notes, that changes everything, with regard to the use of the dragons.

They agree with the prof, of course, that the catapults not being within the walls was dumb. That's just the typical GoT sloppiness, unfortunately, when it comes to military tactics. It's a t.v. show, so they always go for the visuals.

[GodsBeloved]

12 hours ago, Growsonwalls said:

Ok I'm a Sansa fan and defender in general. My biggest issue with her wasn't that she didn't fight. If she's not trained it's better that she not fight. My issue was that she didn't show much concern/gratitude that I could see to the people who were out there fighting. These people included Jaime (who is fighting with one hand), Arya (her little sister), Lyanna (an 11 year old), Jon (the man she grew up with as her brother), Brienne (the woman who'd sworn eternal loyalty to her and her mother), and Theon (who is defending her brother Bran AND missing a few appendages himself). She doesn't have to like Dany. Dany for all her warmth with certain people (Jorah, Jon, the Unsullied, the Dothraki) isn't much of a girl-bonding type person either. But there were people that Sansa loved up there fighting so hard and she just didn't express any concern for them and that bothered me.

When I think of showing someone gratitude, I think of showing it to them. I don't fault Sansa for how she acted or didn't in the crypts. She didn't act any different (regarding showing gratitude/concern) than any of the others. Tyrion and Missandei also had people up there they knew/loved but we didn't see them showing gratitude/concern. 

Edited May 1, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[QuinnM]

1 hour ago, JonasArm said:

When was this stated?

Last season when she was yelling at Littlefinger.  The general statement was that she still felt what Ramsay did to her every hour of every day.  And she clarified it with, and I don’t mean in my tender innocent heart.

[GodsBeloved]

10 hours ago, Law Mom said:

I like Missandei, I really do, but clearly her boss neglected to tell her that Sansa offered a lovely and sincere apology for not immediately thanking Dany and welcoming her to Winterfell, which Dany graciously accepted. Had Missandei known, she probably would not have made that comment. A lot of people here also seem to forget that as well.

The more I think about it, the more I don't know what Missandei was talking about. They'd all be dead if it wasn't for Daenarys. Really?

At that moment, what had she done to keep them alive?

Edited May 1, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[GodsBeloved]

1 hour ago, JonasArm said:

When was this stated?

10 hours ago, Law Mom said:

I like Missandei, I really do, but clearly her boss neglected to tell her that Sansa offered a lovely and sincere apology for not immediately thanking Dany and welcoming her to Winterfell, which Dany graciously accepted. Had Missandei known, she probably would not have made that comment. A lot of people here also seem to forget that as well.

And one other thing. Yes, many of these women have been raped and that leaves psychological scars. But as far as we know, Sansa is the only one who was left with presumably permanent chronic pain as a result of her repeated assaults. Think about that for a second. What would that be like, to never be able to forget what happened to you for a single second? I cut her a lot of slack for that.

If you are talking about Sansa's chronic pain, she told LF that she still feels the affects of what Ramsey did to her.

[Bali]

39 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

Last season when she was yelling at Littlefinger.  The general statement was that she still felt what Ramsay did to her every hour of every day.  And she clarified it with, and I don’t mean in my tender innocent heart.

That's right. They were talking and he asked if Ramsey cut her. She said that he never hurt her face, where it would show, but that she still feels everything he did to her body. And "I don't mean in my tender innocent heart."

[Bryce Lynch]

9 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

One of my disappointment with 8x03.  The showrunners knew Jon was not going to kill NK, might as well showed what would happen when the blue flame hit a (half) Targ

Or it would have been nice to see Dany get grazed by the blue ice flame (or whatever it is)  and see if it burned her hair or singed her eyebrows.  

Watching the dogfight between Dany/Jon and the NK, it never occurred to me that Viserion's ice fire might not have any affect on Dany.   

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, GodsBeloved said:

The more I think about it, the more I don't know what Missandei was talking about. They'd all be dead if it wasn't for Daenarys. Really?

At that moment, what had she done to keep them alive?

The AOTD probably would have already overrun Winterfell and added everyone there to its ranks if not for Daenerys and her Dothraki, Unsullied and dragons holding them off.   At best, they would all be dead within hours.   

[AnnaL]

10 hours ago, Lady S. said:

I wasn't that surprised about main characters having plot armor, despite all the build-up last week, because that's the way it's always been with battles on this show. (I think the only main characters to die in big battle eps were Ygritte and Ramsay. 3 main characters in 1 ep is Red Wedding-level and all of these characters were more important than Talisa.) But I am pleasantly surprised that my boy Pod had plot armor too. It's only weird that they didn't include any doomed characters in the fireside chat last ep, so that Tyrion actually was 100% right in thinking they'd live. 

The most shocking deaths so far have been Ned, Robb, Cat, Tywin, Jon (before he was brought back) mainly because they were seen as major characters. They all die as a result of the books. GRRM has said many times that there are no major characters in his books, that at any moment any minor character can turn into a major character and a major character could die. GRRM is fearless and that is why his writing is so absolutely wonderful. He has no problem making his idea come to words. D&D on the other hand have play fan service since they started going off the books. 

I am now more curious than ever about how is GRRM going to work out this battle. I do hope he finishes writing the books. I know they are short of time so the NK had to be killed in one episode, but I am sure Martin will have this set up in a many months battles with heavy loses on both sides. I am also sure that it will be Arya who will kill the NK at the end, but I am sure it will look much more realistic than this episode. 

[Bryce Lynch]

49 minutes ago, GodsBeloved said:

If you are talking about Sansa's chronic pain, she told LF that she still feels the affects of what Ramsey did to her.

That was before the Battle of the Bastards and Sansa had only recently escaped Ramsey and his abuse.   A good deal of time has passed, so it is possible that she no longer feels the physical pain, though the emotional scars will likely never fully heal.   

[Bryce Lynch]

1 hour ago, Bannon said:

I thought the Slate piece, by the Army War College professor, was much better, in that it noted that the living's greatest strategic victory was having the major battle take place immediately, right in front of Winterfell, since the living, needing food and water, unlike their enemy, had zero chance of winning a siege. The guys in the Vox piece seem to be saying that the living should have invited a siege, and that is exactly wrong.

They also fail to note that the NK has effective antiaircraft weapons that the living do not possess, and as the War College prof notes, that changes everything, with regard to the use of the dragons.

They agree with the prof, of course, that the catapults not being within the walls was dumb. That's just the typical GoT sloppiness, unfortunately, when it comes to military tactics. It's a t.v. show, so they always go for the visuals.

That is a great point that the good guy could never have survived a siege.  The NK and his army could have waited them out for years, if necessary, and as people died of starvation, inside the walls, he could have raised his arms and added them to his army.    

[QuinnM]

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That was before the Battle of the Bastards and Sansa had only recently escaped Ramsey and his abuse.   A good deal of time has passed, so it is possible that she no longer feels the physical pain, though the emotional scars will likely never fully heal.   

Most probably not.  The pain will get less noticeable, as she ages it will become worse, some of it will impact her quality of life forever.  Being beaten and tortured every night is not going to heal without changing the underlying tissue.

[terrymct]

18 hours ago, LadyChaos said:

Clearly we were seeing to different shows, because I saw her and Tyrion trying to get away without being seen while leaving everyone to slaughter.

I didn't see that at all.  They pulled themselves together and went charging out.

[GodsBeloved]

2 hours ago, Bryce Lynch said:

The AOTD probably would have already overrun Winterfell and added everyone there to its ranks if not for Daenerys and her Dothraki, Unsullied and dragons holding them off.   At best, they would all be dead within hours.   

But how does Missandei know this at that point? Plus the Dothraki really didn't hold anyone back and they were added to the AOTD as were the fallen Unsullied and Northerners.

The one delay that I can see is the fire wall but again Missandei knew none of this.

What is she basing her "we'd all be dead already" on? 

Edited May 1, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[Chaser]

11 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

The AOTD probably would have already overrun Winterfell and added everyone there to its ranks if not for Daenerys and her Dothraki, Unsullied and dragons holding them off.   At best, they would all be dead within hours.   

I agree but that’s after battle knowledge. Missandei was in the crypt and Sansa didn’t even mention the Dothraki had fallen. 

I think a better line would have been ‘That Dragon Queen is out there fighting for us right now.’

Also, when she said that line my first thought was that the dead came thru a wall that was taken down by an ice dragon. I don’t place blame on Dany for that but it kind of made me go 😬.

[terrymct]

1 hour ago, GodsBeloved said:

The more I think about it, the more I don't know what Missandei was talking about. They'd all be dead if it wasn't for Daenarys. Really?

At that moment, what had she done to keep them alive?

Missandei was upset about the whole situation, worried about Grey Worm and Dany, and multiple other layers of emotion.  She didn't really understand what Sansa was saying to Tyrion and she blew up a little in defense of her Queen.  She loves Dany as much as Jorah and would defend her even if she was a off base in both what she reacted to and what she said.

[GodsBeloved]

30 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

That was before the Battle of the Bastards and Sansa had only recently escaped Ramsey and his abuse.   A good deal of time has passed, so it is possible that she no longer feels the physical pain, though the emotional scars will likely never fully heal.   

Sure. And it's just as possible that she does. Given we have not been told her physical pain is gone, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe she still feels it.

[Constantinople]

14 hours ago, Constantinople said:

The Night King can't be killed by fire

Daenerys can't be killed by fire

Just sayin'

14 hours ago, catrice2 said:

So in other words Jon was not being heroic facing down the dragon because he was not going to be able to burn him? I guess he could have trampled him or swatted him...

How could my original post possibly be interpreted as a slight again Jon? Where is he even mentioned in my post?

[GodsBeloved]

7 hours ago, Chaser said:

I agree but that’s after battle knowledge. Missandei was in the crypt and Sansa didn’t even mention the Dothraki had fallen. 

I think a better line would have been ‘That Dragon Queen is out there fighting for us right now.’

Also, when she said that line my first thought was that the dead came thru a wall that was taken down by an ice dragon. I don’t place blame on Dany for that but it kind of made me go 😬.

Agreed. 

And I did a face palm too thinking about the fact that it was ice zombie dragon that literally opened the gate for the NK in the first place. LOL

I can imagine Missandei being told that bit of news

Edited May 1, 2019 by GodsBeloved

[Bryce Lynch]

2 minutes ago, terrymct said:

Missandei was upset about the whole situation, worried about Grey Worm and Dany, and multiple other layers of emotion.  She didn't really understand what Sansa was saying to Tyrion and she blew up a little in defense of her Queen.  She loves Dany as much as Jorah and would defend her even if she was a off base in both what she reacted to and what she said.

I also think Sansa referring to her as "The Dragon Queen" (which I believe has been used as an insult by her enemies in the past) offended Missandei.   

In addition, I think Missandei believed that Sansa was totally wrong about Dany and that she wouldn't get in the way of a relationship between Tyrion and Sansa.  At worst, maybe Tyrion would have to resign as Hand, but he hasn't been doing such a great job of that anyway.  

[WatchrTina]

9 hours ago, GodsBeloved said:

But how does Missandei know this at that point?  . . . What is she basing her "we'd already be dead" on? 

I'd argue that common sense alone supports Missandei's assertion but beyond that Jon already acknowledged publicly that without Dany's troops (unsullied and Dothraki) and her DRAGONS they couldn't possibly win the fight.  He says this in a room full of all his supporters when they (specifically Lyanna Mormont) call him out on having bent the knee.  He replies, "Without her we don't stand a chance!" 

Edited May 1, 2019 by WatchrTina

[Chaser]

All this reminds me that Sansa/Missandei were the characters I most wanted to see interact in the crypts. I wanted someone in the North to reach out to her. I think Missandei and Sansa could benefit from seeing Dany through each other’s perspective. 

[Bannon]

45 minutes ago, Bryce Lynch said:

That is a great point that the good guy could never have survived a siege.  The NK and his army could have waited them out for years, if necessary, and as people died of starvation, inside the walls, he could have raised his arms and added them to his army.    

Once you begin with the reality that the living needed a decisive battle immediately, as soon as the dead arrived, and that the dead have antiaircraft weapons that the living do not possess, the strategy and tactics of the living, especially with regard to the use of cavalry, appears a lot less dumb. Yeah, there is still the military idiocy that nearly all GoT battles contain, most prominently in this case the placement of the catapults. These writers have little inhibition about writing dumb military stuff to get the visuals or plot development they want, whether it be not giving a giant an appropriate weapon at the Battle of the Bastards, or letting Mereen have a giant freaking pyramid on the shore of a harbor, but no weapons to use from that height against an attacking fleet. Ya' just have to handwave, and enjoy the better aspects of the show.

In this battle, however, I think a lot of people who have criticized the military portrayal have underestimated what it means to face an enemy which not only has hugely superior numbers, has a decisively superior weapon that you don't have, but also needs no food, water, or warmth, is absolutely immune to fear or uncertainty, and whose commander can communicate orders telepathically, knowing the orders will be instantly obeyed. 9 times out of 10, that's a lost battle, no matter your strategy and tactics, and frankly the NK's errors, errors which perhaps might receive an explanation at some point (most prominently, why the rush to kill Bran?), which were the difference.

[Bryce Lynch]

31 minutes ago, GodsBeloved said:

Sure. And it's just as possible that she does. Given we have not been told her physical pain is gone, I don't think it's unreasonable to believe she still feels it.

I'd say it is also not unreasonable to think that the pain she felt shortly after her abuse has gone away as her injuries healed.  We just don't know.  I don't think she has mentioned pain since her meeting with LF at Mole' Town.  

1 minute ago, Chaser said:

All this reminds me that Sansa/Missandei were the characters I most wanted to see interact in the crypts. I wanted someone in the North to reach out to her. I think Missandei and Sansa could benefit from seeing Dany through each other’s perspective. 

Yes, it would have been great to have some conversations between Missandei and Sansa, as well as Varys.  Tyrion should have brought enough wine for everyone.  That might have gotten the conversations flowing. 

[seawind]

On 4/29/2019 at 2:44 PM, Drogo said:

Theon Greyjoy is no joke with a bow and arrow. 

NK may have stirred up a storm, but ol' boy Theon made it rain. 

Was just skimming through some S1 eps to refresh my memory on a few things; I'd completely forgotten that Theon saved Bran's life by putting an arrow through a Wildling. Also forgot how different he was back then. God, so young (but then they were all so young!), and so cocky and entitled and jealous, and so very unhappy and desperate to find his place in the world. If you juxtapose S1 Theon with S7, it's astounding. We all suffered along with him through far too many Ramsey torture scenes, but damn if they didn't make for an incredible performance from Alfie Allen showing just how it completely changed Theon. Just incredible.

[proserpina65]

17 hours ago, LadyChaos said:

Why? She didn't say anything useful.

He even told her that if she had useful advice he would hear it.

She responded with 'I don't know, just don't do what he wants.'

That's not helpful. Thats the opposite of help.

Team building 101: Don't bring up a problem, if you don't have a viable solution.

She did give him specifics about Ramsey's game playing, and the likelihood of his letting Rickon go, and Jon brushed them off.  She admitted she didn't know battle tactics.  Jon, who allegedly did, actually did exactly what Sansa told him not to.  But that isn't about this particular episode, so I'm just going to agree to disagree, and move on.

I taped The Long Night for a friend who doesn't have HBO, and was checking the tape this morning and realized that the Hound is with Melisandre when she comes out of the keep before stumbling off to her death.  So I'm moving him from my "MIA" list to my "Alive" list.  Don't know how I missed that Sunday night.

[Brn2bwild]

Looking at Jon trying to get past Viserion, did anyone else think: Why don't you have a friggin' shield??

I just keep thinking of Vikings: "Shield wall!"

Granted, a wooden shield would be useless against dragon fire, but the right type of shield would have some protective qualities.

[proserpina65]

16 hours ago, Blakeston said:

Regarding her leadership at Winterfell, I certainly don't need to see a montage of her balancing books and supervising food deliveries, but it would have been nice to get a line or two about what she's accomplished.

We saw provisions being stored, people being fed, and Winterfell running smoothly - that was the evidence of her stewardship.

16 hours ago, Blakeston said:

I think it would have been possible for her to say something inspiring.

Given what she'd just seen from the battlements, I'm not sure what she could've said.  I don't think "Oh, fuck, we're all going to die" would've been particularly inspiring.

13 hours ago, catrice2 said:

What I don't get is that they are always talking about doing the unexpected (i.e., Jon not being the one to kill the Night King) but then doing the expected....like killing Jorah, or putting Jon and Dany together.  Why not surprise us and let the fan favorite stay around? 

Maybe this time doing the expected (mostly) WAS them doing the unexpected?

11 hours ago, DarkRaichu said:

I was not suggesting to use cavalry to cause panic / reduce moral.  Cavalry can also efficiently attack from side / flank to cause damage.  The hoard of ice zombies are forward focused, attacking them from the side would have most likely caused significant damage without much retaliation.  So what if some of the cavalry got roasted by dragon fire from above.  That would have been much preferable than SACRIFICING the whole Dothraki riders to attack unknown enemy from the freakin front where the enemies are strongest

The article goes into detail about flanking options as well.  I'm not sure there was a way to use the Dothraki as cavalry that wouldn't have been bust.  Maybe they should've been dismounted and fighting on foot instead.

[taanja]

16 hours ago, Clanstarling said:

I've been thinking about that. I may be wrong (as I've said before, I don't really catalog all the lore), but from what I recall, most of the things that have been fired up by the LotL magic were metal and/or dragonglass (if that's what the Dothraki scythes were made of). Maybe the magic works better and faster with metal/glass elements than wood and such.

I just re-watched that scene last night-- Mel starts to lose her concentration -- almost like she is momentarily losing her faith. She looks up and sees all the dead folk heading her way and even stops chanting those magical words for a moment or two. But then she takes a breath-- gathers her strength and chants those magical words again and -- poof! fire!

[Bryce Lynch]

7 minutes ago, proserpina65 said:

She did give him specifics about Ramsey's game playing, and the likelihood of his letting Rickon go, and Jon brushed them off.  She admitted she didn't know battle tactics.  Jon, who allegedly did, actually did exactly what Sansa told him not to.  But that isn't about this particular episode, so I'm just going to agree to disagree, and move on.

I taped The Long Night for a friend who doesn't have HBO, and was checking the tape this morning and realized that the Hound is with Melisandre when she comes out of the keep before stumbling off to her death.  So I'm moving him from my "MIA" list to my "Alive" list.  Don't know how I missed that Sunday night.

I agree on that.  I think Jon was a bit dense in that scene, not grasping that while Sansa could not give him battle plans, she was giving him invaluable insight into how Ramsay thought and operated and that he would do something to goad Jon into doing something stupid.    

Perhaps if Sansa had just given the advice plainly, instead of giving him all the "Why is nobody asking my opinion?" whinging, he might have received it better, perhaps not.    

Still, he should have recognized that him charging in to try to save Rickon was exactly the thing that Sansa told him Ramsay would want him to do, but that he shouldn't do.  Davos had told him that it was critical that they let Ramsay charge at them first.   Of course, maybe Jon did recognize it, but didn't care and was going to do whatever he could to try to save his little brother  cousin, no matter how much it screwed up the battle plans.  

[QuinnM]

4 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

Looking at Jon trying to get past Viserion, did anyone else think: Why don't you have a friggin' shield??

I just keep thinking of Vikings: "Shield wall!"

Granted, a wooden shield would be useless against dragon fire, but the right type of shield would have some protective qualities.

This was really well done.  Kit gets a lot for the one note, broody etc.  But you could feel how desperate, exhausted and frustrated he was.  I almost cried.  So more than one note.

[Bryce Lynch]

6 minutes ago, QuinnM said:

This was really well done.  Kit gets a lot for the one note, broody etc.  But you could feel how desperate, exhausted and frustrated he was.  I almost cried.  So more than one note.

Jon's reactions were very well done.  He was determined to get to the NK, but he was also not being reckless and trying to run through ice dragonfire.  It was also interesting that he ignored Sam's cries for help and let him fend for himself while he attempted the more essential mission.  It was sort of the opposite of what he did at the start of the Battle of the Bastards, with Rickon.   

[taanja]

18 hours ago, MVFrostsMyPie said:

Honestly, I might pull a Sansa and Tyrion if I was in that situation. Yeah, wouldn't we all like to think if we were in that position, we'd bust out our dragon glass and start stabbing effectively in all the right places to kill a... dead person, but 1) I'd be scared shitless, unprepared and shocked, and 2) I'd assume I'm going to die anyway and there's no hope, so do I want to spend a little more time hiding and sharing a moment with someone I have a very complicated but respected history with, or throw myself out there and hope I kill maybe.... 1 of my dead relatives before 3 more jump on me? 

Hello!!!!! Everyone is so brave behind their computers! haha!

Think of it it modern terms-- there is an active shooter in the building-- I -- like Sansa and Tyrion--- would be hiding! Yes! Hiding like a bitch!

Y'all go be heroes and get yourselves killed-- I'll just hide behind this big ole wall and I will be the one to survive!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[taanja]

13 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

‘Game of Thrones’ cinematographer says the Battle of Winterfell looked so dark on purpose...

https://news.yahoo.com/game-thrones-cinematographer-says-battle-182513754.html

I re-watched last night. I went to settings and brightened my TV screen and turned off all the lights and watched in a dark room. Made a BIG difference. I could see much better.

It really was an amazing episode.

[Constantinople]

45 minutes ago, Brn2bwild said:

Looking at Jon trying to get past Viserion, did anyone else think: Why don't you have a friggin' shield??

I just keep thinking of Vikings: "Shield wall!"

Granted, a wooden shield would be useless against dragon fire, but the right type of shield would have some protective qualities.

Unless Jon's hypothetical shield was made out of Dany's hair, which, like Dany, can claim to be The Unburnt, I don't know what shield would have stood up to the dragonfire that destroyed a huge section of The Wall

[Calamity Jane]

1 hour ago, seawind said:

Was just skimming through some S1 eps to refresh my memory on a few things; I'd completely forgotten that Theon saved Bran's life by putting an arrow through a Wildling. Also forgot how different he was back then. God, so young (but then they were all so young!), and so cocky and entitled and jealous, and so very unhappy and desperate to find his place in the world. If you juxtapose S1 Theon with S7, it's astounding. We all suffered along with him through far too many Ramsey torture scenes, but damn if they didn't make for an incredible performance from Alfie Allen showing just how it completely changed Theon. Just incredible.

I have thought for quite a while that Alfie Allen has shown an almost incredible range in his portrayal of Theon, and each stage has been perfectly believable. He is simply amazing. 

[Constantinople]

The Ghost of Harrenhal, Season 2 Episode 5

Quote

Arya:  ...They say he can't be killed.
Tywin: And do you believe them?
Arya:  No, my lord. Anyone can be killed.

You're damn right Ayra

[Bryce Lynch]

8 minutes ago, taanja said:

I re-watched last night. I went to settings and brightened my TV screen and turned off all the lights and watched in a dark room. Made a BIG difference. I could see much better.

It really was an amazing episode.

I also rewatched with the brightness and backlighting set much higher and had the same results as you.  It was much easier to follow what was going on.  

Edited May 1, 2019 by Bryce Lynch

[Drogo]

1 hour ago, GodsBeloved said:

And I did a face palm too thinking about the fact that it was ice zombie dragon that litterally opened the gate for the NK in the first place. LOL 

I can imagine Missandei being told that bit of news

If Sansa had said "Oh yeah well it's the Dragon Queen's dead baby dragon that the Night King is riding here to kill us so is she really saving us OR is she helping them kill us?" I think Missandei probably would've just stabbed her in the eye. 

Sansa's whole crypt conversation was just a reminder that with all she's experienced and seen she is still a petty little girl. 

Even so many long years later, sitting in the crypts useless as all hell, the petty is still strong with this one. 

[Bryce Lynch]

58 minutes ago, Constantinople said:

Unless Jon's hypothetical shield was made out of Dany's hair, which, like Dany, can claim to be The Unburnt, I don't know what shield would have stood up to the dragonfire that destroyed a huge section of The Wall

I was thinking the same thing.  The Wall couldn't stand up to the Ice Dragon's fire and the Lannister and Tarly troops' shields were useless against Drogon's dragonfire.    

Edited May 1, 2019 by Bryce Lynch

[Bryce Lynch]

2 minutes ago, Drogo said:

If Sansa had said "Oh yeah well it's the Dragon Queen's dead baby dragon that the Night King is riding here to kill us so is she really saving us OR is she helping them kill us?" I think Missandei probably would've just stabbed her in the eye. 

Sansa's whole crypt conversation was just a reminder that with all she's experienced and seen she is still a petty little girl. 

Even so many long years later, sitting in the crypts useless as all hell, the petty is still strong with this one. 

I remembered how silly and shallow Sansa could be back then, but I had forgotten how bratty and obnoxious she could be.

She has grown a lot.  But, she still uses a scaled back version of  that bratty, superior tone with Jon, Dany and others.  Even when she is right, it is off putting.  

[Constantinople]

13 hours ago, pezgirl7 said:

‘Game of Thrones’ cinematographer says the Battle of Winterfell looked so dark on purpose...

https://news.yahoo.com/game-thrones-cinematographer-says-battle-182513754.html

I'm so glad they opted for realism in a battle with flying, fire breathing dinosaurs; a direwolf; ice zombies; a woman who lit thousands of swords on fire by uttering a few words; the dead rising from the crypts to attack the living; a psychic kid in a wheel chair who sends BREAKING NEWS updates via raven during the course of the battle; and an antagonist who was turned into a magical being after being stabbed with obsidian, who can't be killed by fire, but who turns into a pile of ice cubes when stabbed with an imaginary substance called Valyrian steel.
Realism was the right choice.
Perhaps, at the very least, they could have suggested before the episode aired that viewers watch in a darkened room with the TV settings adjusted?

Edited May 1, 2019 by Constantinople

[Absurda]

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If Sansa had said "Oh yeah well it's the Dragon Queen's dead baby dragon that the Night King is riding here to kill us so is she really saving us OR is she helping them kill us?" I think Missandei probably would've just stabbed her in the eye.

Or, she could point out that Dany lost that dragon while saving Jon's ass.

[Drogo]

Just now, Absurda said:

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If Sansa had said "Oh yeah well it's the Dragon Queen's dead baby dragon that the Night King is riding here to kill us so is she really saving us OR is she helping them kill us?" I think Missandei probably would've just stabbed her in the eye.

Or, she could point out that Dany lost that dragon while saving Jon's ass.

Exactly.

[MrsR]

33 minutes ago, taanja said:

I re-watched last night. I went to settings and brightened my TV screen and turned off all the lights and watched in a dark room. Made a BIG difference. I could see much better.

One of the big youtube reviewers published a mea culpa yesterday after watching again in better settings. His original watch was done in a well-lit room with a laptop shining in his face. 

[Constantinople]

24 minutes ago, Drogo said:

If Sansa had said "Oh yeah well it's the Dragon Queen's dead baby dragon that the Night King is riding here to kill us so is she really saving us OR is she helping them kill us?" I think Missandei probably would've just stabbed her in the eye.

13 minutes ago, Absurda said:

Or, she could point out that Dany lost that dragon while saving Jon's ass.

Because Jon & Tyrion insisted on holding hands with Cersei around the campfire while singing Kumbaya and smoking a peace pipe