S05.E13: Where Are Your Parents?

[Bort]

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Annalise gathers everyone together for the holidays while she wrestles over a difficult decision about her future, and the investigation into Miller’s murder starts to widen.

Airdate: Thursday, February 14, 2019

[Dee]

Tegan watched Annalise's back AND got herself some in the process.

Now THAT is the definition of a best friend.

[Milaxx]

I mentioned last week on another board that I thought there was a connection between Tegan and agent Claire. Everyone laughed at me.

Connor lied to his mom real smooth. Speaking of which I feel sorry for Connor. A father who checked out to find himself and a mom so desperate to be seen as the cool mom, she lets her underage child have a sleep over with a grown man. *smh*

Laurel & Micheala forever running ahead and messing things up.

Edited February 17, 2019 by Milaxx

[Annber03]

29 minutes ago, Dee said:

Tegan watched Annalise's back AND got herself some in the process.

Now THAT is the definition of a best friend.

Agreed. Tegan's nothing if not loyal. 

6 minutes ago, Milaxx said:

Connor lied to his mom real smooth. Speaking with f which I feel sorry for Connor. A father who checked out to find himself and a mom so desperate to be seen as the cool mom, she lets her underage child have a sleep over with a grown man. *smh*

Also agreed on this. I liked how Oliver was all, "...wait, what?" when she mentioned that about the 23 year old (seriously, WTF?). And you thought your Christmas get-togethers were awkward...

Always good to see Annalise's mom-some nice scenes between them throughout. 

And Bonnie. Man. Her conflicted feelings over whether or not she wanted to be pregnant with Miller's child... I'm really worried about and for her, but I do like seeing the others being so concerned about her, and trying to help her. 

That ending. Ooh. 

[Milaxx]

So about Emmett. I’m not sure I believe the governor but it is suspicious that he was monitoring Tegan’s emails & now also monitoring AK’s. Could he have sabotaged Nate Sr’s release because AK left the firm?  Could he have a psycho level crush on AK & have done this to keep her at C & G? This means intentionally having IT give Tegan info about his London affair.

Edited February 15, 2019 by Milaxx

[possibilities]

Laurel saved the bloody blanket?!

[rur]

30 minutes ago, possibilities said:

Laurel saved the bloody blanket?!

Exactly! Considering how (IMO) irrational she's been about the kid being traumatized, even if she didn't want to get rid of the blanket for whatever reason, why would she have not washed the blanket, or at least washed out the spot? It's winter. There's no lack of cold water. 

[NUguy514]

What the fuck with Laurel not burning that blanket (or at least bleaching the shit out of it)?  That makes no sense.

Good lord, Connor's mom is the worst.

Ah, Cicely Tyson: a thing of beauty is a joy forever.  Just stop pushing Annalise toward Nate; she deserves so much better (Tegan).

[stormy weather]

1 hour ago, NUguy514 said:

What the fuck with Laurel not burning that blanket (or at least bleaching the shit out of it)?  That makes no sense.

Well it's still evidence, and seeing how conflicted she was about the whole thing and how she was overreacting about Christopher being traumatized and all, she might have kept it just in case she changed her mind and wanted to come clear to the FBI (which in fact she did. Maybe.) I think what prompted her to call the police was mostly the Christmas surprise visit by Telesco who seized the wedding pictures and Oliver's laptop. Of course no one would've thought of searching the house for a blood-stained blanket, but I would freak out too, if I were her.

I sincerely hope Bonnie wasn't lying when she said she's not pregnant. I couldn't handle another unwanted pregnancy between two consenting adults who should know how contraceptives work, in which the father died before knowing about the pregnancy and the mom has to raise the child all by herself (with a little help from her friends). I mean, it literally JUST happened. 

I still haven't quite understood why everyone is so mad at Gabriel and so rough on him. How they (especially power couple Laurel and Michaela) spoke to him at the Christmas dinner was quite harsh. Is it only because he lied about being Sam's son and was secretly researching his death? I'm sure I missed something here but they honestly treat him like he had killed their house pet, it seems a bit too exaggerate. Please enlighten me, anyone!

[wanderingstar]

Hat's off to whoever wrote tonight's episode, because there were some hilarious lines. I laughed out loud several times.

Tegan to Annalise: I've just bought you time till Telesco's replacement catches up. You can sleep with that one!

Connor: Hopefully she won't notice we're all terrified of going to jail.

Oliver: Well, she didn't notice her husband was gay for 20 years, so I think we're good.

Always nice to see Cicely Tyson - she continues to look amazing. And Viola looked incredible during the dinner table scene. That gold blouse was giving me life.

I'd be surprised if Emmett as Nate Senior's killer isn't another misdirection.

Will we ever meet Gabriel's mother?

Edited February 15, 2019 by Gillian Rosh

[SimoneS]

Tegan proves my point from the last episode's thread that these people are just paranoid and horrible. There was no reason to send that email to frighten and terrorize her. Tegan is a good friend who was never a threat, but they always jump to the worse possibility because they are horrible people.

Now Emmett is in their cross hairs. They investigate him and because he is a flaw human, they will decide that he is guilty and must be killed.

I just can't with Bonnie. She has murdered TWO people! I have no sympathy for her. I hope she isn't pregnant. No child deserves her as a parent.

5 hours ago, stormy weather said:

I still haven't quite understood why everyone is so mad at Gabriel and so rough on him. How they (especially power couple Laurel and Michaela) spoke to him at the Christmas dinner was quite harsh. Is it only because he lied about being Sam's son and was secretly researching his death? I'm sure I missed something here but they honestly treat him like he had killed their house pet, it seems a bit too exaggerate. Please enlighten me, anyone!

The answer is simple. They are paranoid horrible people, but also Gabriel wanting to find out really happened to Sam puts them in danger. The question I have is why is Gabriel still hanging around them? You would think that he has other things to do, like spend time with his mother or study so he doesn't fail like they did. The longer he sticks around, the more likely he will find out the truth giving them a rational to kill him.  

Edited February 15, 2019 by SimoneS

[Milaxx]

3 hours ago, stormy weather said:

Well it's still evidence, and seeing how conflicted she was about the whole thing and how she was overreacting about Christopher being traumatized and all, she might have kept it just in case she changed her mind and wanted to come clear to the FBI (which in fact she did. Maybe.) I think what prompted her to call the police was mostly the Christmas surprise visit by Telesco who seized the wedding pictures and Oliver's laptop. Of course no one would've thought of searching the house for a blood-stained blanket, but I would freak out too, if I were her.

I sincerely hope Bonnie wasn't lying when she said she's not pregnant. I couldn't handle another unwanted pregnancy between two consenting adults who should know how contraceptives work, in which the father died before knowing about the pregnancy and the mom has to raise the child all by herself (with a little help from her friends). I mean, it literally JUST happened. 

I still haven't quite understood why everyone is so mad at Gabriel and so rough on him. How they (especially power couple Laurel and Michaela) spoke to him at the Christmas dinner was quite harsh. Is it only because he lied about being Sam's son and was secretly researching his death? I'm sure I missed something here but they honestly treat him like he had killed their house pet, it seems a bit too exaggerate. Please enlighten me, anyone!

Laurel should know better though. Anybody finding that and testing the blood ties the murder back to them and they do not need ANY suspicious thrown on their precarious house of cards.

same deal with Gabriel looking into Sam’s death. Because it could possibly lead to more digging into Sam’s murder, or Wes’s murder and especially Annalise’s attempted adoption of Christophe/Wes throws suspicion back on AK & co. As seen by that FBI board, they are still trying to connect he dots and possibly arrest them. 

1 hour ago, SimoneS said:

Tegan proves my point from the last episode's thread that these people are just paranoid and horrible. There was no reason to send that email to frighten and terrorize her. Tegan is a good friend who never a threat, but they always jump to the worse possibility because they are horrible people.

Now Emmett is in their cross hairs. They investigate him and because he is a flaw human, they will decide that he is guilty and must be killed.

I just can't with Bonnie. She has murdered TWO people! I have no sympathy for her. I hope she isn't pregnant. No child deserves her as a parent.

The answer is simple. They are paranoid horrible people, but also Gabriel wanting to find out really happened to Sam put them in danger. The question I have is why is Gabriel still hanging around them? You would think that he has other things to do, like spend time with his mother or study so he doesn't fail like they did. The longer he sticks around, the more likely he will find out the truth giving them a rational to kill him.  

Gabriel is hanging around in part because he wants to know more about Sam & in part because he’s now entanged due to 1. Using Frank’s webcam footage to get his charges dropped and 2.lying to Agent Claire about hearing Miller talking to the governor 

[Lady Calypso]

I figured they'd come back around on Emmett being a suspect. I didn't think Timothy Hutton would survive the season anyway, so we'll see if he's guilty, and, if he is, if he's killed or actually just put in jail. A nice change would him not dying. It's a shame because I actually have grown to like Emmett thanks to the actor, but I also knew it couldn't last. So no, I was not surprised by the twist.

Connor's mom is more awful every time she appears. The worst part is that she's the worst in the most subtle of ways. Nobody has called her out but Connor. That casual piece of information about her letting her underage son (did they say exactly what age?) sleeping with a 23 year old man? And everyone lets that slide by besides a couple of questioning looks? No wonder Connor's so messed up. But hey, at least we're getting a little more on his family. 

I was worried about Bonnie getting pregnant because of course I could see the show going that way. It seems like that's not true, but we also NEVER saw the pregnancy test results and I can't always take this show for its word unless we see it onscreen. 

It was nice to see Annalise's mother. 

Laurel keeping the blanket is dumb, but I do believe it was more because she was thinking about turning it over as evidence to the FBI just in case she needed to protect Christopher. Although her withholding evidence would still look suspicious...

[Milaxx]

There was an episode back when Connor & Oliver were broken up where the case of the week was the foster kid who had impregnated his teacher and the K5 were talking about consent. I’d have to rewatch but I swear Connor mentioned talking about hooking up with his 20 something neighbor and questioning the relationship because he was a minor at the time. 

Not showing Bonnie’s pregnancy test results makes me nervous. She was the only one who approached Laurel about helping her get an abortion if she wanted to. I'm nervous that Bonnie would further flagellate herself by not telling anyone & just taking care of this on her own.

I agree with your acessment if Laurel’s motivation for keeping the blanket, but she should know by now that exposing one of them puts all of them at risk. Then again, it’s Laurel so....

[SimoneS]

9 hours ago, Milaxx said:

So about Emmett. I’m not sure I believe the governor but it is suspicious that he was monitoring Tegan’s emails & now also monitoring AK’s. Could he have sabotaged Nate Sr’s release because AK left the firm?  Could he have a psycho level crush on AK & have done this to keep her at C & G? This means intentionally having IT give Tegan info about his London affair.

Emmett did not start monitoring Tegan's email until he got a call from IT about the threatening email that wait for it... Annalise and Michaela sent her. When Annalise admitted that she was the one who went after him, he then decided to monitor her emails also. Again, their paranoia and bad judgement created unnecessary headaches and danger.

[Dancingjaneway]

I know that the governor is not trustworthy but I DO believe Emmett killed Nate Sr. I have felt this way since his murder. He was SO angry at Annalise for leaving. Now throw in the fact that he's attracted to her it just puts more wood on the fire. I am so, so, so happy that Tegan is not selling Annalise or the rest of the gang out. I really like her & want her to end up with Annalise. While I love what Tegan did I think it kind of made things worse.  Connors mom is disgusting and I hope that this is the last we see of her for a very long time. Not surprised Laurel kept the blanket because that's totally a Laurel thing to do. She definitely didn't inherit her fathers brain when it comes to crime. If Bonnie IS pregnant I think she will end up terminating the pregnancy. There is no way she could keep being pregnant from Frank. I also doubt that they would have her just run off and have the baby. I'll be curious to see if the call Laurel got leads to anything. They didn't show that it was her mom(at least I don't think they did) & it was clearly someone crying. I wonder also what Annalises plan was going to be once she got into the room with the FBI agent. 

[blackwing]

Connor's mom is such a mess... she berates the others for not being with their families.  Why didn't she even mention Connor's sister?  Wouldn't she have wanted to visit her grandkids on Christmas?  A throwaway line about how "I was with your sister last night, we missed you" would have been nice.

It was so great how Tegan played Telesco... Tegan is a good friend to Annalise.  We need to see more scenes of them having fun together again, like when they danced together at La Dominicana.  Also, I miss hearing Tegan speaking Spanish.  More Tegan!

I believe the actor who played Annalise's dad passed away, but on the show I guess they are keeping the character alive by having her mom talking to him on the phone?

5 hours ago, stormy weather said:

I still haven't quite understood why everyone is so mad at Gabriel and so rough on him. How they (especially power couple Laurel and Michaela) spoke to him at the Christmas dinner was quite harsh. Is it only because he lied about being Sam's son and was secretly researching his death? I'm sure I missed something here but they honestly treat him like he had killed their house pet, it seems a bit too exaggerate. Please enlighten me, anyone!

Not that any of these people are angels, but I don't blame them at all.  Especially Michaela.  He lied to them for MONTHS about who he is and why he was there.  He could have just told people he was Sam's son and he wanted to learn more about Sam.  Instead, he falsifies his identity, has fake documents, and on top of that, was secretly involved with Miller in some kind of plot to take down Annalise.  I think they have every right to ostracise him and I'm not sure why are letting him sniff around other than to keep an eye on him and because the show needs a reason for him to keep appearing.  I wouldn't mind at all if he dies by the end of the season.  

[helenamonster]

Always great to see Cicely Tyson. Ophelia has a lot of little idiosyncrasies (like her winking at Nate) that remind me of my nana. 

Viola was glowing this episode, y'all. GLOWING.

Tegan came the fuck through. Ugh, she is awesome. She doesn't owe these people shit but she knows something's up and really took one for the team.

I don't think any of the kiddos have a functioning parent between them. I guess Oliver's are ok (he appeared to have made some peace with his dad at the wedding, and his mother is overbearing but means well) and Asher's only issue is he's been excommunicated, but no wonder they're all so dysfunctional. Although I will say it was kind of refreshing for Connor's mom to be more garden-variety difficult (the mom who wants to be her kids' friend) as opposed to, say, somebody who orders murders on the reg.

[Milaxx]

2 hours ago, SimoneS said:

Emmett did not start monitoring Tegan's email until he got a call from IT about the threatening email that wait for it... Annalise and Michaela sent her. When Annalise admitted that she was the one who went after him, he then decided to monitor her emails also. Again, their paranoia and bad judgement created unnecessary headaches and danger.

Emmett was already monitoring Tegan ( perhaps because of her involvement with Anteres) which is how IT knew to report any suspicious emails to him in the first place. 

[Free]

11 hours ago, rur said:

Exactly! Considering how (IMO) irrational she's been about the kid being traumatized, even if she didn't want to get rid of the blanket for whatever reason, why would she have not washed the blanket, or at least washed out the spot? It's winter. There's no lack of cold water. 

Agreed, you'd think they would be used to properly covering things up by now.

[tennisgurl]

I dont think Emmett did it, I am calling this as another red herring. I figured that he would be a suspect at some point or another, but I think its too early still for it to be him. Or at least, not JUST him. I admit, the guy has grown on me, so I kind of hope he isnt the actual killer. 

 Cicely Tyson is always wonderful to see around, and I love the interaction between her and Viola. They just play off each other so naturally, they really do seem like mother and daughter! Although I do question Ophelia apparently shipping Nate and Annalise. Not when Tegan is right there!

Speaking of, so glad that we can apparently trust Tegan! She really took one for the team there, this is why she and Annalise are clearly made to be! They are both there to make the tough, ethically questionable, choices and actions to make it to the next day. 

Hold on, rewind here, Connors mom let teenage Connor have sex with an adult? In her house?!? What the fuck, Connors mom? Connors mom sucks, no wonder the guy is such a mess. I do like that she is more of a garden variety sucky parent then an obviously abusive monster that you see in TV so much. I think she loves her kids and doesent actively want to hurt them or anything, but in a way, her bad parenting is more insidious than more obvious bad parenting, because its subtle, and people dont notice it as quickly. His dad clearly checked out to go find himself, and his mom was apparently too busy being a "cool mom" to really be much of a parent. She was so cringly all throughout dinner, I hope we dont see her again in a long time. 

"Lets hope she doesent notice we`re all hoping we dont go to jail."

"Well she didnt notice her husband was gay for twenty years, so..."

I guess Laurel kept the blanket around to use as incriminating evidence against Bonnie for "traumatizing" her son, if thats what she decides on, but it looks pretty damn stupid to be keeping the evidence around the house, especially with the FBI buzzing around. I mean, come on, if you've learned nothing in the last few years, its to cover up crimes!

Edited February 15, 2019 by tennisgurl

[Milaxx]

1 hour ago, tennisgurl said:

Hold on, rewind here, Connors mom let teenage Connor have sex with an adult? In her house?!? What the fuck, Connors mom? Connors mom sucks, no wonder the guy is such a mess. I do like that she is more of a garden variety sucky parent then an obviously abusive monster that you see in TV so much. I think she loves her kids and doesent actively want to hurt them or anything, but in a way, her bad parenting is more insidious than more obvious bad parenting, because its subtle, and people dont notice it as quickly. His dad clearly checked out to go find himself, and his mom was apparently too busy being a "cool mom" to really be much of a parent. She was so cringly all throughout dinner, I hope we dont see her again in a long time. 

Just checked Netflix. Ep 3x4 around the 21.08 mark Connor talks about hooking up with his camp counselor when he was 14 & asking if that was rape. (Later in that ep he has 3way with freshmen & cards them). Anyway if that’s the same person that Pam is talking about, yikes! No wonder Connor has issues with his dad. It sounds like he went off to find himself and left Connor & his sister in the hands of someone more interested in being the cool mom than actually parenting their kids. 

Edited February 15, 2019 by Milaxx

[Empress1]

9 hours ago, Gillian Rosh said:

And Viola looked incredible during the dinner table scene. That gold blouse was giving me life.

I came here to say just this. It was stunning on her. She glowed. And the copper eye shadow complemented it beautifully.

Viola Davis and Cicely Tyson are a master class. I am riveted when they're on screen together.

When Connor's mom said she let him bang a 23-year-old when he was a teenager I was like " ... You shouldn't be proud of that. At all."

18 hours ago, Dee said:

Tegan watched Annalise's back AND got herself some in the process.

Now THAT is the definition of a best friend.

We all need a friend like Tegan! "You can sleep with that one." HA!

[Milaxx]

Just rewatched the episode. Tegan sleeps with agent Claire to save her own neck. She’s in the car when the agent offers Annalise an immunity deal. Annalise talking potentially opens up the possibility that people, namely C & G and Antares finding out she’s the one who informed to the FBI. Tegan got Claire thrown off the case to stop that from happening. 

Also the Morretti (sp?) construction company is a call back to a season 1 case. It was the one where the guy was on death row and it turned out that the witness had lied and Asher’s dad was the judge who took a bribe to convict the guy for a senator named Art Truco.

[tennisgurl]

2 hours ago, Empress1 said:

When Connor's mom said she let him bang a 23-year-old when he was a teenager I was like " ... You shouldn't be proud of that. At all."

20 hours ago, Dee said:

Now that I've thought about it, there have definitively been references to Connor sleeping with older men before, I totally forgot what he said about having sex with his counselor when he was fourteen. Knowing his mom knew about, and was alright with it, makes the whole thing even more disturbing. Lady, that is not something you brag about! 

It certainly does put his early seasons tendencies to sleep with people for information or to get stuff, and his struggling with being in a relatively healthy relationship, in a new, depressing light.

Edited February 16, 2019 by tennisgurl

[secnarf]

13 hours ago, Gillian Rosh said:

Will we ever meet Gabriel's mother?

At this point I'm wondering if Gabriel is going to be revealed as HTGAWM's Norman Bates.

7 hours ago, Milaxx said:

Emmett was already monitoring Tegan ( perhaps because of her involvement with Anteres) which is how IT knew to report any suspicious emails to him in the first place. 

When did they say this? I don't remember it. I thought Emmett said IT just flagged the email due to suspicious content.

[Milaxx]

1 hour ago, secnarf said:

At this point I'm wondering if Gabriel is going to be revealed as HTGAWM's Norman Bates.

When did they say this? I don't remember it. I thought Emmett said IT just flagged the email due to suspicious content.

Lol anything is possible with this show. Personally I would love to see Debbi Morgan (aka Angie Hubbard from All My Children) cast as Gabriel’s mom. For some reason in my head that what Vivian Maddox looks like.

Right after Annalise tells him Tegan knew about his impropriety first and didn’t tell anyone, he calls IT and says he also wants them to monitor Annalise’s email. If IT was just monitoring all suspicious content coming in & out of C & G, there wouldn’t be a need for him to call and specifically request any employee ‘s email be monitored. 

ETA: just double checked. It was ep 5x13 around the 55:01 mark. After speaking with Annalise Emmett calls IT and says, “I need access to another employee ‘s emails”.  So it’s not routine monitoring. 

Edited February 16, 2019 by Milaxx

[secnarf]

48 minutes ago, Milaxx said:

Right after Annalise tells him Tegan knew about his impropriety first and didn’t tell anyone, he calls IT and says he also wants them to monitor Annalise’s email. If IT was just monitoring all suspicious content coming in & out of C & G, there wouldn’t be a need for him to call and specifically request any employee ‘s email be monitored. 

I had assumed that after he was told about the suspicious email, he told them to monitor her. I don't think we really know one way or the other.

[Jel]

I continue to be blown away by Viola Davis's acting super powers; I think she's the best American actress there is. 

[darkestboy]

Easily the best episode this season. Every scene with Annalise and Ophelia was fantastic to watch, even though I didn't like the bit where she seemed to ship Anna with Nate though.

Nice to see Tegan take one for the team. Telesco let herself be played pretty easy there.

Connor's mom really was embarrassing in this one, even if she made a point about no-one talking to their parents. 

Gabriel will definitely not go past this season and seemingly neither will Emmett if the last scene is anything to go by.

Really hope that Bonnie isn't pregnant, 9/10

[Neurochick]

In the beginning I thought Emmett had Nate Sr killed, then I wasn’t sure and now I’m still not sure.  I do think Emmett is really into Annalise.  Maybe he’s some crazed fanboy who had Nate Sr killed because he knew Annalise would blame the governor for his death and would come running back to him.

Creepy stalker.

Maybe Bonnie is pregnant, but not by the DA.

Edited February 16, 2019 by Neurochick

[secnarf]

On 2/16/2019 at 1:40 PM, Neurochick said:

Maybe Bonnie is pregnant, but not by the DA.

When she first said that she was a week late, my initial thought was "well is she telling Frank because it might be his? Or is it Miller's?"

[Milaxx]

16 hours ago, secnarf said:

When she first said that she was a week late, my initial thought was "well is she telling Frank because it might be his? Or is it Miller's?"

Good point. It’s always hard to tell but it’s only been like a month since the wedding, correct?