Station 19 - General Discussion

[tennisgurl]

Jack is just back now? No problem? I'm fine with it because I have missed him at the firehouse and the story with getting to know his bio family is more interesting than him spiraling, but its weird. 

The tonal whiplash in this episode made my neck hurt, we just kept smashing back and fourth from the sassy old ladies to the the squad fighting police violence again to Maya having a meltdown and her and Carina possibly breaking up, that was a whole lot. 

The story with Maya and Carina was probably the best, Maya is by far the shows most frustrating character but she's very well acted and the last fight with Carina was rough. Not sure where they go from here, but I assume that Carina will take her back yet again. 

[KaveDweller]

3 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Jack is just back now? No problem? I'm fine with it because I have missed him at the firehouse and the story with getting to know his bio family is more interesting than him spiraling, but its weird. 

I guess so, but who knows what will happen when Maya wants to come back.

[transitfan]

12 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

I guess so, but who knows what will happen when Maya wants to come back.

Could be interesting.  Assuming he keeps his rank, that's 4 Lts at one station:

 

Jack

Maya

Andy

Sullivan

[DearEvette]

I finally got around to watching this...

I didn't mind so much the tonal differences between the the three plots.  It felt kinda realistic, tbh.  Like, the whole 'two things can be true at once.'  You have one set of firefighters at the house doing something nice for a bunch of ladies and it is light hearted and hilarious while unbeknownst to them two entirely different serious things are happening.   Yeah the juxtaposition was a bit jarring, but I think it was supposed to be.

Of the three plots, it is the Maya one that kinda lost me.  I am not sure what they are doing with her.  Is it just a generic downward spiral plot?  Which feels strange given that is just what we had with Jack. Is it a different kind of addiction plot (exercise) which would be interesting if we weren't already mired in two characters who are struggling with addiction.  Is it just another way to introduce drama in her relationship with Carina because the baby plot wasn't drama enough? 

And speaking of addiction

On 2/25/2023 at 1:10 AM, possibilities said:

Was the Captain drinking the booze Maya gave him? If so, that's one hell of a pointed callback.

Yes.  I think it was and I have been waiting for that to rear it's ugly head.  I don't think it was well deployed here at this point though.  Maybe I missed something but I can't get a bead on why he chose go pull that out just now?  It can't be because Maya is in the hospital?  Bennett just doesn't seem to have that sort of relationship with Maya.  I am not a fan of the character but I think it sucks that his fall off the wagon was so helped by Maya in that way.  That she could so callously do that largely because of her professional entitlement just rubs me so wrong. 

The Ross, Andi and Vic plot was the best one.  Not because I liked it, no... I am triggered as hell by that whole scenario.  But because Ross was fantastic in it.  I loved her basically coming in and commanding the scene.  Showing her exceptional observation skills.  Man.  That was boss.  And not in a 'look at me I am a girl boss' way.  But in pure competence porn.

[KaveDweller]

6 hours ago, DearEvette said:

The Ross, Andi and Vic plot was the best one.  Not because I liked it, no... I am triggered as hell by that whole scenario.  But because Ross was fantastic in it.  I loved her basically coming in and commanding the scene.  Showing her exceptional observation skills.  Man.  That was boss.  And not in a 'look at me I am a girl boss' way.  But in pure competence porn.

I thought Ross was fantastic in it too. Too bad they spend most of her time in stupid relationship drama with Sullivan.

[possibilities]

I can't stand the dynamic between Andy and the campaign manager. I was glad she walked away from him after the pole injury, but I don't trust the show not to put them together any minute now. I also don't understand th Travis runs for mayor campaign at all. Dixon is a horror, so I don't want Dixon to win. But I want Travis in the fire station, so he can't win, either. We haven't even heard the name of any third candidate, so where does that leave the show?

I wonder if Natasha will realize she's in charge now, not a rank and file soldier, and that she can do more than follow orders from her current position. I know her situation is complicated, but I was glad she is finding a way to assert herself more, and it's sad that it still costs her so much.

I thought Maya's breakdown was a relief, in that I was really ready for her story to change direction. I also thought that the actress who plays her did a good job of looking a mess, and then looking embarrassed.

Vic's breakdown over potentially losing Travis and Theo... she really has been through a lot, and she really has been there for everyone else, while they're not really all that great at supporting her. It's a long time coming that they start balancing that more, or even NOTICING her feelings, for that matter. Notably, she always and exclusively seems to have male friends.

 

[Crashcourse]

While I'm not looking forward to it, I expect Andy and the campaign manager to start having hate sex pretty soon. 🙄

I hope that's the last we see of Maya and her therapy.  The actress was good in the role, but I've seen enough. 

[tennisgurl]

I totally understand Vic freaking out about possibly losing Theo and Travis, her last two love interests both died in fire related incidents, no wonder she's so on edge. Theo really did look like an idiot whining about Becket while Vic is clearly having a total meltdown. 

So glad that Maya has seemingly had her breakthrough, her downward spiral has been going on for ages and I am ready for her story to move on. Bless that therapist she really is a miracle worker, getting Maya to actually admit to her damage is a true feat, much more impressive than running a race with a busted ankle. Should be interesting to see where she and Carina go from here, I am sure that Carina will get back together with her but its been such an up and down with them since day one, in the real world it feels like Carina might have second thoughts. 

I am so not looking forward to Andy and the campaign manager hooking up, which feels inevitable. I continue to not understand this mayor story and I cannot wait for it to just end with some unknown third party candidate to take the whole thing because Dixon is evil and Travis is unqualified. 

[Crashcourse]

I like the pregnant lady that Carina was helping.  I hope they get together and Carina finally dumps Maya.  Maya needs to continue getting therapy--off camera.

I also hope that Bishop gets help with his drinking.  Too bad about the drunk uncle.  I think Ben knows what's up, so maybe he can help him but next week's promos look like it's going to be bad for Bishop.  

I liked Theo at first, but now he's beginning to get on my nerves.

[txhorns79]

On 3/4/2023 at 4:08 PM, Crashcourse said:

While I'm not looking forward to it, I expect Andy and the campaign manager to start having hate sex pretty soon. 🙄

Someone needs to explain to me how the campaign manager has all this free time to do ride alongs (where he was filming calls?!?!) and hang out flirting with Andy.  Shouldn't he be doing campaign things, like overseeing a campaign staff, determining where Travis needs to campaign, meeting with potential donors and/or important people/groups whose endorsement Travis might want?  It's such a weirdly handled plot line. 

[Crashcourse]

The campaign manager seems to be on the show for comic relief.

[possibilities]

Not knowing firefighters have dangerous jobs just makes the guy look dimwitted.

[Lady Calypso]

The campaign storyline is HELLA stupid because it can only end one of two ways: either Travis wins the election and has to leave the show as a series regular, or Travis loses and we all just wasted two seasons on this crap. Travis can ABSOLUTELY not be a firefighter AND Mayor. It is 100% impossible. They would never allow Travis to work a dangerous job while running a city. Being a Mayor will be a full time job.

I don't know why nobody has pointed this out to Travis, that he'll have to quit his job as a firefighter. It's just SO dumb. The third option is that Travis wins but declines the job, leaving it to someone else. But again, still dumb. And also I doubt anyone wants to see a political storyline at the forefront. It feels like such a waste of time and it's really frustrating to see Travis saddled with a storyline that will ultimately go nowhere and wasted his character for two seasons. 

The campaign manager is also annoying. I don't care for him hooking up with Andy. He sucks and she's just getting to a great place. She doesn't need his whining and attempted flirting (which feels more like harassment, to be honest).

I really do like Theo, and am glad he's FINALLY getting his own individual storyline. I also like Vic so I hope these two can work it out.

Carina/Maya's plot is...fine, I guess. The woman flirting with Carina needs to stop, though. She was told that she's married, even if they're having problems, and she still went through with trying to ask her out. I was fine with the pregnant woman for the most part, except her flirting with Carina.

 

[RoxiP]

Travis doesn't want to win mayor.  He just wants to deflect enough votes from the other guy that another candidate wins.  Or at least that was what he initially said.  He may now have delusions of grandeur.

Edited March 14, 2023 by RoxiP

[tennisgurl]

How stupid is this campaign manager guy? He really couldn't comprehend that firefighters, people who literally have "fights fires" in their name, have a dangerous job? My interest in Andy's possible romance with this guy is about the same amount of interest I have in Travis being mayor, which is less than zero. 

I have no clue what the end game is here with Travis as mayor. I thought his plan was to take enough votes from Dixon to get a third candidate the win, but we have yet to meet another candidate so I'm not sure how they expect this to play out. Travis becomes mayor and quits firefighting? Dixon wins, continues to be awful, and this was all a waste of time? Some never before mentioned third candidate comes out of nowhere to win? 

Its too bad the pregnant woman started hitting so much on Carina, I was enjoying seeing Carina happy for once. Even if Carina's marriage is on the rocks its not cool to ask someone you know is married out. I assume that Carina and Maya will make up but at this point I cant blame Carina for not wanting Maya back. 

[KaveDweller]

I'd vote for Travis for mayor. But I don't want Travis to be mayor and off the show, he is the most likable character.

I missed how Beckett caused the explosion, but I knew that guy was gonna die as soon as talked about how he'd bought a ring but hadn't proposed.

[possibilities]

The campaign manager and Travis have a lot of chemistry, waaaaay more than the campaign manager has with Andy. 

 

[txhorns79]

23 hours ago, possibilities said:

The campaign manager and Travis have a lot of chemistry, waaaaay more than the campaign manager has with Andy. 

They really do have good chemistry, and it does feel less forced than campaign manager/Andy.  It probably also says something that I can't tell you the name of the campaign manager.  I still find the storyline to be bizarre.  Travis has a campaign manager, but no real campaign staff.  I feel like if you were to ask Travis what a big city mayor does, he wouldn't really be able to tell you.     

[possibilities]

I don't think the chemistry is just in our imaginations. I think they were doing it on purpose. I was REALLY expecting them to kiss in that one scene where they were standing very close, facing each other, and just quiet for way longer than people usually do. That is media shorthand for "about to smash".

I don't know his name, either. I'm going to call him CM (campaign manager) until otherwise informed. Maybe he's bi.

 

[Faceplant]

Was it really the lasagna making Carina so sick or do we think she is pregnant? If Carina takes Maya back, she needs to draw some really clear boundaries and stick to them. 

[RoxiP]

Maya said she took it out of the oven too soon so the meat was not cooked all the way through.  I think enough time has passed that Carina would know whether she was pregnant or not - after all - she is an obgyn.

But of course stranger things have happened in Shondaland.

Edited March 21, 2023 by RoxiP

[Crashcourse]

I hope captain whatshername finds out that Maya gave the alcohol to Beckett and the bitch is reprimanded.  I hope Carina finds out and finally dumps her ass.

Maya is right.  She is a monster and I hate the Ben let her off the hook.

[txhorns79]

I really enjoyed the Chief yelling at the Station 19 staff about their arrogance and hubris in pulling the stunt they did with Beckett.    And, of course, the attitude she gets back is "we were totally in the right," proving her point.  They deserve to be fired.

2 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

 

Maya is right.  She is a monster and I hate the Ben let her off the hook.

I thought Maya was being a martyr, and making the situation about herself, when it really wasn't.  I would agree her behavior was monstrous, and Ben was too quick to absolve her, but I would also that Beckett would have drank regardless of anything she did.

Finally, if I'm in a serious accident and can drive, I don't drive to a firehouse.  I drive to a hospital.  Isn't Grey Sloane supposed to be a couple of blocks from Station 19? 

[possibilities]

I guess they should have called Chief Ross and reported that he was drunk, instead of mutinying? But I understand why they did that. They didn't have time to waste and needed  to deal with the fire, and they legitimately didn't trust his command. I'd think there'd be a provision for taking over if the Captain is obviously impaired. It's really not in anyone's interest to have an intoxicated person running the scene, especially after someone already died under his supervision. 

Who will be interim Captain? Will they deputize Vic, because she was the only one not part of the mutiny? Or are we going to get a stranger rotated in?

Is Diane going to abandon her shrink job and try to get back to physical rescues? 

[txhorns79]

26 minutes ago, possibilities said:

I guess they should have called Chief Ross and reported that he was drunk, instead of mutinying? But I understand why they did that. They didn't have time to waste and needed  to deal with the fire, and they legitimately didn't trust his command. I'd think there'd be a provision for taking over if the Captain is obviously impaired. It's really not in anyone's interest to have an intoxicated person running the scene, especially after someone already died under his supervision. 

I think if they had concerns about Chief Beckett, they probably had ways to report him that could have been done before the call.  Their stunt caused a scene and distracted from the job.  It left people in danger and impacted the chain of command in a life and death situation.     

[Crashcourse]

12 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I would agree her behavior was monstrous, and Ben was too quick to absolve her, but I would also that Beckett would have drank regardless of anything she did.

Well, I don't think he would have been drinking if she hadn't left that bottle, and we don't know, but the main thing is--she left that bottle.   

Frankly, I don't like any of the crew now, and this will be my last season watching this show. 

[Fireball]

On 3/23/2023 at 6:58 PM, Crashcourse said:

I hope captain whatshername finds out that Maya gave the alcohol to Beckett and the bitch is reprimanded.  I hope Carina finds out and finally dumps her ass.

Maya is right.  She is a monster and I hate the Ben let her off the hook.

On 3/23/2023 at 9:39 PM, txhorns79 said:

I thought Maya was being a martyr, and making the situation about herself, when it really wasn't.  I would agree her behavior was monstrous, and Ben was too quick to absolve her, but I would also that Beckett would have drank regardless of anything she did.

22 hours ago, Crashcourse said:

Well, I don't think he would have been drinking if she hadn't left that bottle, and we don't know, but the main thing is--she left that bottle.   

Frankly, I don't like any of the crew now, and this will be my last season watching this show. 

I can't stand Maya. Yes, it is true Beckett might have gone and bought a bottle of his favorite alcohol and brought it back to work, so he could drink during work hours. BUT Maya made it extremely easy for Beckett to drink at work. If she hadn't given him the bottle Beckett would have had to make the decision to go to the store, buy a bottle, and then decide to bring it back to the station. This would take effort on Beckett's part, and he easily could have changed him mind at any point. Maya giving Beckett the bottle was just a horrible thing to do to someone she knew had an issue with alcohol. And no Ben, she doesn't get a pass because Beckett was an ass or because Maya was in a dark place. 

I also can't stand any of the station 19 crew. I don't think the writers were going for me, the viewer, to be cheering that the crew was getting yelled at and rooting for them to get fired. 

Edited March 25, 2023 by Fireball
spelling

[Crashcourse]

1 hour ago, Fireball said:

If she hadn't given him the bottle Beckett would have to make the decision to go to the store, buy a bottle, and then decide to bring it back to the station. This would take effort on Beckett's part, and he easily could have changed him mind at any point.

This!

[Lady Calypso]

So, in terms of the Maya stuff, I think that what she did was totally wrong and it was the worst thing she could have possibly done. She did it to spite Beckett, knowing what would happen.

However, Ben is also completely right in his assessment. She was wrong, but she WAS in a bad place and she does feel bad, which means she's not a monster, even if she did a monstrous thing. And she may have handed Beckett the bottle, but it was his choice to keep it and drink from it. Maya didn't force him to drink from it. She was wrong for giving it to him, for sure, but it was Beckett's choice to drink it and lie about it. Beckett's actions are not on Maya here. She may have a lot to atone for still, and I do think she owes Beckett an apology for giving him the alcohol, as that was wrong and horrible, but she is not responsible for his actions afterward. Beckett's actions while drinking are on Beckett.

Plus, for me, it's clear that Beckett was never going to stay sober, whether or not Maya gave him the bottle. Because he never saw his alcoholism as a problem. Unfortunately, he needed a wake-up call and Cooper's death, along with the barber shop fire, was the thing that got him to seek help (maybe).

Weird episode overall, although. I find myself only really liking Theo and Vic, at this point. And kind of Andy as well; her being a Captain really suits her, which is why I hope Eli dies in a horrible fire. He's gonna regress her character. She's so much better off single. 

[izabella]

On 3/23/2023 at 7:58 PM, Crashcourse said:

I hope captain whatshername finds out that Maya gave the alcohol to Beckett and the bitch is reprimanded.  I hope Carina finds out and finally dumps her ass.

Maya is right.  She is a monster and I hate the Ben let her off the hook.

I don't want to feel like that about Maya, but I kinda do.  I had trouble warming to her character from the beginning, even though I've tried to have sympathy because she had a shitty childhood with her abusively pushy and competitive father.  It's hard to feel sympathy for her when she does things like bring a bottle to an alcoholic to sabotage him, whether he chose to open it or not.

It's also that I've always really liked Carina and want her to have the loving relationship she wants, and Maya is so damned hard to be with even on a good day.  Her ingrained instinct is to win.  Carina was not wrong to question whether Maya wanting to win her back was about Maya not wanting to fail more than it was about Maya wanting Carina. 

22 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I really enjoyed the Chief yelling at the Station 19 staff about their arrogance and hubris in pulling the stunt they did with Beckett.    And, of course, the attitude she gets back is "we were totally in the right," proving her point.  They deserve to be fired.

That was so cathartic!  These are the most unruly, undisciplined group of supposed professionals who do not like following the rules.   They have needed to hear that, not that they listened. 

I'm sure there is protocol if a team suspects their captain is unfit for whatever reason.  This should never have gotten to the point they were out on a call with a captain they suspected was drunk.  But, it's tv drama.

 

[RoxiP]

Beckett could have also made the decision to take the bottle and pour it down the sink but instead he chose to hide it in a desk drawer.  He was never going to stay sober without proper help - at the very least AA.  An alcoholic totally committed to their sobriety would have disposed of the bottle or asked someone else to do so for them.  Not acknowledging his alcoholism is simply white knuckling it and that is never going to work in the long run.

[Crashcourse]

5 hours ago, RoxiP said:

Beckett could have also made the decision to take the bottle and pour it down the sink but instead he chose to hide it in a desk drawer.  He was never going to stay sober without proper help - at the very least AA.  An alcoholic totally committed to their sobriety would have disposed of the bottle or asked someone else to do so for them.  Not acknowledging his alcoholism is simply white knuckling it and that is never going to work in the long run.

Yes, to all this, but that still doesn't excuse Maya for giving him that bottle.  She's still a monster to me. 

At the end, it did seem like Beckett finally realized that he needed help.  

[possibilities]

Oh damn. Theo got credit for what Vic did-- in fact he resisted the whole time and she made sure it happened anyway. And then he took credit... damn.

I don't know what Andy was talking about saying that everybody trusts Sullivan. As far as I can tell, no one trusts him. Was she just baiting Ross with that?

 

[KaveDweller]

That social media star was pretty awful. But I knew Travis was going to get caught on camera saving her and telling her to stop being awful. I wonder what they are going to make happen for him to lose the election (since he is presumably not leaving the show)?

Did Ross not give Sullivan the spot because she didn't trust Andy's recommendation or because she didn't want to risk being accused of sexual favors?

[possibilities]

2 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Did Ross not give Sullivan the spot because she didn't trust Andy's recommendation or because she didn't want to risk being accused of sexual favors?

I think maybe both? 

I can't stand Sullivan, though, so it's hard for me to be objective.

[tennisgurl]

Wow, Theo really took credit for what Vic did while she was standing right next to him, not sure what their next step is. Vic was the one who wanted to investigate, she basically dragged Theo there while he was content to just pout, but he gets the promotion. 

I guess there was yet another disaster at Grey-Sloan over on the mothership, why no one has just declared that place cursed and burned it to the ground is beyond me. 

Of course Travis save a social media star and it makes him even more popular, this election story just feels like its never going to end. It’s just now hitting Travis that he might win and have to quit his job? If his plan is to just beat Dixon, who else did he think would win?

Edited April 1, 2023 by tennisgurl

[Crashcourse]

I'm glad the social media influencer's boyfriend broke up with her stupid ass.

I'm sick of Travis's campaign manager guy, and I think Andy is beginning to get tired of him, too.  I'd like to know who the third candidate is.

And yes, that was a dick move by Theo not giving credit to Vic.  There was always something I didn't like about him but I could never put my finger on it, but now I know why.  He's a whiny a-hole. 

[txhorns79]

I hated that Ross has decided the insubordination was justified.  I did appreciate in an episode where she is lauding Station 19's leadership and team, Theo and Vic unilaterally decide to delay a call so they can investigate possible arson, and Ben abandons his post without telling a soul to run off to see if Bailey is okay.  Those are some wonderful professionals you have in the Seattle FD, Ross. 

22 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

Did Ross not give Sullivan the spot because she didn't trust Andy's recommendation or because she didn't want to risk being accused of sexual favors?

Wasn't Sullivan already demoted at some point from being Captain?   

Quote

I'm sick of Travis's campaign manager guy, and I think Andy is beginning to get tired of him, too.  I'd like to know who the third candidate is.

 

I'm so tired of the campaign.  It's never made any sense as a storyline.

[possibilities]

Yes, Sullivan was demoted because he stole drugs from the mobile surgical unit. He got the entire program shut down in the process. He went into treatment and the crew testified to keep him from being totally fired, IIRC.

I'm a bit sad about the situation with Theo. I was enjoying seeing Vic happy for a change.

[Crashcourse]

15 hours ago, txhorns79 said:

I hated that Ross has decided the insubordination was justified.  I did appreciate in an episode where she is lauding Station 19's leadership and team, Theo and Vic unilaterally decide to delay a call so they can investigate possible arson, and Ben abandons his post without telling a soul to run off to see if Bailey is okay.  Those are some wonderful professionals you have in the Seattle FD, Ross. 

I agree with all of this.  And I forgot that, while Theo didn't give Vic credit for investigating the arson, delaying the call was totally unprofessional.

I'm sick of the whole self-righteous crew.

[Crashcourse]

I knew it!  I like Travis and the campaign manager together.  I thought they had more chemistry than Andy and campaign dude.  

I'm glad Vic called out Theo for not giving her credit.

And what's Maya the Queen of Dirty Tricks up to now?

[KaveDweller]

38 minutes ago, Crashcourse said:

I knew it!  I like Travis and the campaign manager together.  I thought they had more chemistry than Andy and campaign dude.  

I'm glad Vic called out Theo for not giving her credit.

And what's Maya the Queen of Dirty Tricks up to now?

Travis and the campaign manager do have more chemistry. But is it smart to sleep with your campaign manager? Even if you don't know he was sort of dating your friend/co-worker?

I think now that Travis wants to win, something bad is going to happen to stop him. Hopefully he can be happy anyway if he and campaign manager work out.

[possibilities]

Ben was pissing me off yelling and horning his way into the appointment at the "not a clinic". Shut up, asshole! You are not in charge here. I've never seen him be a bully before and I really hated it.

Vic was right about Theo. He was being a total dick when he took all the credit and again when he dismissed her concerns about it. It is hard to be the supervisor to your sig other, but she was right and he was wrong there. 

I really hope Maya doesn't take the bait the Evil Creep is giving her. 

Travis and What's His Name ... ha!  I knew that wasn't a fake out in the previous episode. And I can't blame what's his name. Andy ignored him and has been acting highly ambivalent. He doesn't owe her anything. I do think it's messy to hook up with your campaign manager, and I also question whether they are actually a good match vs just really high off the way Travis is showing in the campaign. But, I don't really think it's Andy they need to worry about.

The brothers fighting in the house... I was really annoyed by them and didn't want Jack or Vic risking their lives for them. Maybe I'm not cut out to be a first responder, because at some point I would have wanted to evacuate without them and I wouldn't have forgiven them as quickly or been as patient when they changed their tune.

 

[renatae]

Not sure how I feel about Maya and Karina getting back together. Maya has suddenly gotten herself back together after a completely inexplicable disintegration. I'm getting whiplash.

I started out with years of not liking this show and finally started to like it, but now it's going off the rails again. (My son always wants me to watch it with him.)

Ah, a smear of crisis pregnancy centers, which don't have staff pretending to be doctors or nurses, have actual medical models of stages of fetal development and not cutesy pictures, and are definitely NOT publicly funded.

Everything they do is free and funded privately. Prenatal classes, clothing, workshops, housing assistance, baby clothes, etc.

Edited April 7, 2023 by renatae

[mjt626]

7 hours ago, renatae said:

Not sure how I feel about Maya and Karina getting back together. Maya has suddenly gotten herself back together after a completely inexplicable disintegration. I'm getting whiplash.

I started out with years of not liking this show and finally started to like it, but now it's going off the rails again. (My son always wants me to watch it with him.)

Ah, a smear of crisis pregnancy centers, which don't have staff pretending to be doctors or nurses, have actual medical models of stages of fetal development and not cutesy pictures, and are definitely NOT publicly funded.

Everything they do is free and funded privately. Prenatal classes, clothing, workshops, housing assistance, baby clothes, etc.

In retrospect, Maya hasn’t been mentally healthy in quite a while. She had a panic attack while she was on vacation with Carina, cause there was a five alarm fire and she wasn’t there. It took her time to understand that her father was emotionally abusive growing up. She has continuously and deliberately pushed Carina away when she (Maya) couldn’t handle her emotions (sleeping with Jack, starting arguments). Rocky foundation indeed.

And states do help fund the “crisis centers,” which are always near an actual reproduction clinic. 
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2022/10/25/us/crisis-pregnancy-centers-taxpayer-money-invs/index.html

Edited April 7, 2023 by mjt626

[possibilities]

I think Maya is getting better because of two things: (1) she hit rock bottom, lost everything, including her job and her marriage, and was thus forced to either deal with herself or keep losing, and (2) she's getting help from Diane, which was also forced on her by the losses but is still useful.

It's similar to how Beckett finally decided to get help when he saw that he was in real danger of losing his job. 

Sometimes that's the only thing that will get through to people and break a cycle of dysfunction.

[Lady Calypso]

Lots of yelling this episode that got old real fast. I would have been fine if Vic and Jack were like "yeah, we ain't dealing with these two whiners" and just left, because both of them caused their own injuries and almost caused injures on the people trying to help them. 

Ben was frustrating with how he almost blew Carina and Bailey's plan multiple times; I didn't miss this side of Ben. Understandably, he was worried, but dude, you see these two trying to get you to stop yelling. Shut up, man. I did feel bad for Carina seeing the fake positive pregnancy test, knowing she's had to see multiple negative ones. 

Whatever is going on with Theo, I hope he figures it out because he definitely isn't acting like his usual self and I'm glad Vic has called him out. It does look like he's pushing her away, which isn't good for their relationship. But I'm super glad we're getting a Theo storyline just about him. He's acting like a dick, but I'm interesting in seeing how he turns it around.

No way Maya takes the bait. She's on a better path and she wants to win Carina back. This WOULD be the ultimate test for Carina to see if Maya's changed, so I think Maya will pass and she won't use the photos against Ross and Sullivan. I do believe she'll do the right thing to prove that she's not going to make the same choices pre-breakdown.

Speaking of Sullivan, he's so whiny. It's reminding me why I really don't like him. He's pissy that Ross didn't hand him the promotion and doesn't get that she's trying to not look biased in case their relationship comes out. It may suck for Sullivan, but he has to understand this is to protect both of them once their relationship is public (and it will have to become public eventually). 

[txhorns79]

11 hours ago, KaveDweller said:

But is it smart to sleep with your campaign manager? Even if you don't know he was sort of dating your friend/co-worker?

No, it is not smart.  Travis is his campaign manager's boss.  It leaves Travis vulnerable to sexual harassment charges if things goes south with the campaign manager.   

[Lady Calypso]

Oh, and yes, I forgot to talk about Travis/Eli, which was surprising to me but I also don't pay much attention to that stuff. But yeah, Travis sleeping with his campaign manager isn't exactly good for his chances at being Mayor, if that's actually what he wants to do and it comes out. 

And it also is awkward for him and Andy's friendship, as Andy thinks she has a chance with Eli when that's clearly not the case anymore. Eli flirting with Andy and sleeping with Travis does suck; not that I liked Eli anyway, but he's creating a mess with two people who are friends and that's not cool. 

[tennisgurl]

You snooze you lose Andy! Gold star to everyone who caught the vibe between Travis and his campaign manager, while the two of them have solid chemistry I do think that Travis banging his campaign manager is going to end up getting messy, especially if Dixon used it against him. It sure is lucky that Travis keeps finding ways to make being a fire fighter make him look like a good mayoral candidate. We have also been introduced to a third candidate who is competent and seemingly decent but boring, so now this guy can win so that Dixon loses and Travis can stay in the fire house. 

I hope that Maya really is committed to changing and doesn't fall back into her bad habits. I know that she and Carina are obviously end game, but otherwise I would definitely have second thoughts about her getting back with Maya yet. 

I guess the Miranda and Carina plot is a carry over from Greys? Ben needs to calm down, he was being a real dick. I felt really bad for Carina when she had to fake being pregnant after she has been trying for so long, of course that would be rough. 

I have mostly liked Theo but he was being a real asshole to Vic here. Not only did he take credit for what she did, but he got all mad when she rightfully called him out for it.