The GCEh?C: Canadian Episodes (Spoilers for Non-Canadians)

[miamama]

On 11/28/2017 at 8:39 AM, PatsyandEddie said:

 

Maybe I’m getting too old but didn’t Nikki hit her father over the head with an iron when he was attacking her? 

I'm sure they threw in the gun thing so we can believe that Nikki would have a gun, which is out of the blue to say the least. And she gave Tessa her safe combination? WTF? Did I misread this? She lets this vagrant live with her and then gives her a safe combo (a safe that has TWO LOADED GUNS IN IT). 

Shades of Pratt....

And Hilary's business is suffering because some really attractive photos of an attractive woman went online? This is revenge porn. She was victimized. And she has an online GOSSIP SHOW. She's not running a nunnery or a an NPR news magazine (though I think even that would not be hurt if she were the VICTIM). I would think her career would be launched into the stratosphere by the photos going online. 

[bannana]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

I'm sure they threw in the gun thing so we can believe that Nikki would have a gun, which is out of the blue to say the least. And she gave Tessa her safe combination? WTF? Did I misread this? She lets this vagrant live with her and then gives her a safe combo (a safe that has TWO LOADED GUNS IN IT). 

Shades of Pratt....

And Hilary's business is suffering because some really attractive photos of an attractive woman went online? This is revenge porn. She was victimized. And she has an online GOSSIP SHOW. She's not running a nunnery or a an NPR news magazine (though I think even that would not be hurt if she were the VICTIM). I would think her career would be launched into the stratosphere by the photos going online. 

@miamama, I skimmed over this in the recap.  IIRC, Tessa saw the safe combination on top of a file folder or pile of papers.  She memorized it just cause.  And then she went and opened it out of curiosity.  Right there, Drinki was violated and should be pissed, as she was.

[bannana]

Here we go, another new day in GC.  It feels like we are channel surfing the various storylines in hopes of getting actual story, but alas, so much happens on the commercial break or the day before and we didn’t get to see it.

Apparently in GC, if you are a woman, and you attain a position of power, you become a Royal Bitch.  Today it is Ashley’s turn.

Dina and Jack made me cry today.

• Everyone is fascinated about Hil’s nudie pics.  Because pretty much everyone hates Hilary.  Perhaps she wasn’t the best choice for this storyline.  Hil is doing damage control and looking at her tablet with her as the cover story.  The side story is:  Man marries his firearm. Also, Fish Man Stumps Science, Wears Alligator Shoes.  Har-dee-har-har.  Hil is on the phone with Glo, who is also looking at the photos on her phone.  She tells Hil that Jack is on a leave of absence.  Hil says she knows, but she needs to speak to him urgently.  She wants to book a lunch date.  Glo says she’ll work on it, and then tells her she saw her photos and she is one hot….and Hil hangs up.  Mariah arrives with bad news that tomorrow’s sponsor pulled out because of the photos, and Hil denies that was the reason.  Mariah says, should she assume that today’s guest cancelled cause she had to wash her hair? 
• At the Abbott mansion, Jack is surrounded by xmas decorations, as the tree arrives.  He tells Ash he wants it to be the greatest Abbott family xmas ever.  Dina enters and remarks on the giant tree.  She suggests Ash create a scent, Eau de Santa, when Jack says the tree is his favourite scent.  Jack says while Ash is working on that, he and Dina are going to decorate the tree, and he also found an egg nog recipe with Dina’s name on it. Dina says he is competing with Dickens, summoning the ghosts of xmas past.  He says the only spirits will be in the egg nog.  Jack wants to create a big Abbott family xmas, and Dina says she never had anything to do with that.  The help handled all that, she loved throwing parties, but the rest of it was for the birds.  Poor Jacky.  Dina goes to find breakfast in the kitchen.  Ash tells Jack not to get his hopes up, and says Dina can make Scrooge look like a saint.  Jack says, Bah Humbug is not part of his vocabulary.  Ash leaves for work.  Jack continues to try to get Dina engaged in the festive spirit.  He shows Dina the first ornament he ever made, and reminisces how she and Mamie were making jokes about the months it would take to get the glitter out of the carpet.  Dina looks at the ornament and says he spelled Jackie wrong, it should be with an “ie”, not a “y”.  He says it doesn’t matter, it just matters that they made something together.  Dina says Mamie is the one who did all of the preparations for xmas, she would have nothing to do with it.  He then shows her Ashley’s first ornament, and a bird ornament that was Dina’s favourite.  She says it was so many years ago, and if he had picked them up today, she wouldn’t know the difference.  He coaxes her to hang the bird ornament, and she seems initially nervous.  She hangs it, and says, there, now are we done?
• Chuckie is at CL and Lily arrives.  She says he has been avoiding her.  She says that Devon told her he was ogling Hil’s photos.  She explains that this is a violation of Hilary, and he asks why she is defending her, when she can’t stand her.  She explains that women in nude photos online are human beings, someone’s mom or daughter.  She asks how he would feel if it was Maddie. He would be furious, but Maddie wouldn’t let someone take advantage of her like that.  Lily then tells Chuckie her own story of falling for an older guy online, losing her virginity and getting an STD, when she was Chuckie’s age.  He cries: TMI, mom! She talks to him about learning to respect women.  Chuckie says he is sorry and should have walked away from looking at the photos.  Lily tells him he needs to apologize to Hil in person.
• Ashley is in Jack’s office and she is taking charge.  Glo says Jack will be back soon enough, and Ash tells her she can get a job elsewhere if she has a problem.  Ash gives Glo her marching orders re her scheduling, documents she needs, etc.  Glo suggests she call Jack to discuss all the changes she is making to dept. meetings and Ash tells her to back off.
• Jack is working on the tree and the lights, and it is not going so well, and Dina is unimpressed.  He gets frustrated because he is doing this for her, and she says: frankly, I could care less. And she stomps out. Upset, he bumps into the ornament box and shatters his first ornament.
• Ash is trying to find files on the computer, and she thinks his system is a mess, and he must be distracted by Dina and it is affecting his work.  Ravi shows up and explains that Jack asked him to set up his files on the Cloud.  He finds what she needs in two secs and she tells him he is AMAZING.  Glo defends Jack, saying he has never let his work slide.  She tells Ash there is more than one way to do things.
• Chuckie is telling Lily a funny story about biology lab and frogs running all over the place.  Lily tells Chuckie to ask his dad about his fave food in Australia, potted frog meat.  She says she is pleased that the twins are getting along with Cane now.  She says she saw them at the GCAC and didn’t join them because it would be awkward, what with the whole Baby Sam thing.  She asks about the baby, and Chuckie tells her to ask Cane.  Yup, they are practically back together.
• Phyllis arrives for the meeting with Ash, and Ravi stays, and Ash continues to heap praise on Ravi.  Glo arrives to take notes, as Jack insisted, and Ash says she can take her own notes and Jack needs to butt out.  Glo stays regardless.  Phyllis tells Ash about a deal that Jack was supposed to be working on to expand Jabot’s transport deal to include Fenmore’s.  Ash says this is the first she has heard of this, and says it is further proof that he has been distracted.  Why is she badmouthing her brother the CEO in front of his staff and Fenmore’s staff?   Ash is also annoyed that he hasn’t been consulting her.  Wow, she has been on the job 5 minutes, has judged Jack as incompetent, and has bad-mouthed him to anyone within earshot.  Glo makes another attempt to defend Jack, saying that Ash doesn’t have all the facts.
• Dina comes back to the living room and says it must run in the family, good at business and terrible at practical things.  Jack apologizes for going off on her and she says don’t apologize, she deserved it. She says: I was never a good mother when you were growing up and I am not much better now.  Then she asks if she could have some alcohol with her medication and he says, if you don’t tell, I won’t.  Hah!
• Hil is on the phone outside at GC Buzz and is upset that her commercial is being cancelled, when it was supposed to run another six months.  Apparently, it was for food that kids eat, and consumers have started a boycott.  She is upset and goes back inside, and Chuckie is there to apologize for looking at the photos.  She accepts his apology, and says she should have been smarter.  He asks why she did it, and she says it seemed like a fun idea at the time, and she trusted the guy who took the photos.  This cautionary tale PSA would be a whole lot more effective if it wasn’t about the woman who everyone not only loves to hate, but actually hates.
• Dina is remembering the year that John bought her a sable coat. She says it was extravagant, but Jack says she loved it because it was the only thing she took with her when she left, and awkwardness ensued.  He talks about John and she forgets who he is talking about.  Jack says his first marriage to Phyllis was in this room on xmas eve.  Dina says, ah yes, what a beautiful wedding, until she found out what kind of a woman she is.  Jack plays along and says it was a beautiful wedding, and then she talks about how xmas weddings were always her fave.  She realizes that she wasn’t there, and Jack nods.  Dina says she has it confused, there were so many wonderful parties in this setting.  She says she is sorry she missed them.  Jack says, did Mamie really do all the decorating, and why does he remember it that they all helped?  Dina says that is how he wants to remember it, and don’t let her stop him; she says the reality is quite different. He says it would explain why he is so inept at decorating.  Dina says he did his best.  He tells her to go upstairs and rest, he is still going to make this an amazing xmas.
• Back at Jabot, Ash is railing because Jack is keeping info from her, and has let her know he will handle certain things. She and Glo get into it, in front of Ravi and Phyllis.  Ravi intervenes and says she is the boss and he can help her find info she needs.  Phyllis says she can contact Jack directly and Ash goes off on her too. Ash sees Glo texting and grabs her phone and realizes that Glo has been texting Jack and giving him updates on everything that is happening.  Ash throws everyone out of her office and she leaves.  I am beginning to think that Ash’s over processed hair is affecting her equilibrium.
• Lily and Cane are at CL.  They talk about Chuckie.  She says she wanted to meet to find out about Sam.  Cane says he is still in the NICU and Esther is setting up the nursery.  Work at Chancellor is going great, he has autonomy.  Then he gets a call from the doctor, and it is serious, and he runs out.
• Glo is at her desk trying to access Phyllis’ phone, which she left in Jack’s office, and Phyllis grabs it back from her.  Glo badmouths Ash to Phyllis, and Ravi overhears and says Glo was being disrespectful.  She stomps off to get a coffee.  Phyllis and Ravi talk about Ash, and he talks about how she is reluctant to date someone from work, or maybe he scared her off somehow. He says he has been patient, but cannot wait for her to decide if she is interested.
• Dina comes into the living room and is overwhelmed by the beautiful decorations in the living room, the tree, the stockings and everything, and she even is pleased to see her little bird on the tree.  Meanwhile, Jack is in the dining room thanking Mrs. Martinez for bringing her family by to do the decorations, and asks her to keep it a secret.  Ash arrives, and is reluctantly impressed, but tells Jack that all he is going to get in his stocking is a lump of coal.  Ash rails at Jack at how frustrated she is that he is withholding info from her. He says, he didn’t resign, he took a leave of absence.  He says he sent her an email about the Fenmore’s thing.  She wants to know if he is just going to keep popping in.  He says he will stay away but he will check in with Glo from time to time.  They keep arguing, and Dina tells them to stop bickering, and to have an egg nog with her, it is xmas eve.  Jack suggests they each open a present, but she says they should wait for Traci.  Jack suggests they have more egg nog, and now they are laughing and having a good time.  Ash is annoyed and feels left out.  She goes to the dining room and texts Abby for dinner, but she has plans.  Ash texts Ravi to meet her in a room at the GCAC and to bring his toothbrush.
• Hil is talking to Barry, hoping that he can get some of his clients to come on her show.  She assures him she is still on the air and doing just fine, contrary to what he has heard.   She tells him she is taking the show in a different direction, no more salacious gossip, or gotcha interviews.  He’s not interested or doesn’t believe it and she yells at him and hangs up the phone.  She sees Mariah working on her computer, drinking a soda and eating a muffin.  Hil goes off on Mariah about the freebies for staff, and starts yelling that they need to cut down on wardrobe allowances and staffing.  Mariah says: the show is in trouble, isn’t it?  Mariah talks to Hil about the photos and that they have now made her the joke and the story, and wants to know if she should be looking for a job.  Hil says Mariah is wrong, and that she has feelers out, Jack Abbott for one.  He thinks highly of Hilary, and she has a lunch date scheduled with him.  She says Jabot would kill to sponsor her show.  She says the show is going to be about empowering women who want to be or already are successful.  She is going to turn it into a lean, mean fighting machine, and Mariah can be part of that or go work for her mom to get free drinks and snacks.  Mariah is on board and gets back to work.
• Dina is admiring the tree and she tells Jack she remembers that ornament now and that she did help him make it.  She says, she told him to spell Jacky with a “y” and he says that is his memory too.  Dina says:  you know, son, I am aware my memory will come and go.  Mostly go.  And when it does, Jack, when I become terribly difficult for you to handle, I just want you to know that I love you, now, and always. And she is emotional and they hug.  Sniff sniff.
• Ravi arrives at Ashley’s room.  She is dressed in a black negligee, she has a drink for him and she says, don’t say a word, just get undressed.  Ravi seems happy.
• Cane is at the hospital and Lily comes by to check on Sam.  Apparently, the heart meds that Sam was on for preemies is not working anymore and Cane should prepare for the worst. 

Previews:  At Newman:  Ash to Prick: After everything Abby’s been through, how dare you push her out of a job!  Sharon, at CL, to Nick: I am going to ask him to move in with me, and he says, with you and Faith? And Sharon says, I just want to get your thoughts.  A woman to Scott: We’ve got an opening for an on air reporter, this job would be based in NYC.

[valleycliffe]

thank you bannana.

i hope scott accepts the job offer and moves to nyc.

[DivaT]

13 hours ago, miamama said:

I'm sure they threw in the gun thing so we can believe that Nikki would have a gun, which is out of the blue to say the least. And she gave Tessa her safe combination? WTF? Did I misread this? She lets this vagrant live with her and then gives her a safe combo (a safe that has TWO LOADED GUNS IN IT). 

Shades of Pratt....

And Hilary's business is suffering because some really attractive photos of an attractive woman went online? This is revenge porn. She was victimized. And she has an online GOSSIP SHOW. She's not running a nunnery or a an NPR news magazine (though I think even that would not be hurt if she were the VICTIM). I would think her career would be launched into the stratosphere by the photos going online. 

So funny. I spit out water. 

 

Viewers have been calling for the nudes to come out and "put Hilary in her place". MY gave them what they wanted despite it not making a lick of sense. Devon, just last week, told Tessa that her album sales spiked cause of the sex trafficking link to her. But this week, Hilary's nudes have destroyed everything about her. 

11 hours ago, bannana said:

@miamama, I skimmed over this in the recap.  IIRC, Tessa saw the safe combination on top of a file folder or pile of papers.  She memorized it just cause.  And then she went and opened it out of curiosity.  Right there, Drinki was violated and should be pissed, as she was.

 

Wow. And Nikki didn't call Tessa a thief and throw her out?! 

Edited November 30, 2017 by DivaT

[MollyB]

13 hours ago, miamama said:

She lets this vagrant live with her and then gives her a safe combo (a safe that has TWO LOADED GUNS IN IT). 

the she-got-a-gun story would have worked if the writers/producer had taken the time to set it up with Tessa, knowing from other on camera conversations that Nikki has guns in the safe,  spying on Nikki as she opens the safe and learning the combination.  Or finding the combination taped on the bottom of a desk drawer.  Anything!  But I guess there wasn't any script time for that what with the SexayHangover storyline.

And then she went and opened it out of curiosity. /bannana  OK.  I'm only half mad. It's still a dumb set up.

Edited November 30, 2017 by MollyB
really gotta read ahead before I rant

[bannana]

13 hours ago, miamama said:

I'm sure they threw in the gun thing so we can believe that Nikki would have a gun, which is out of the blue to say the least. And she gave Tessa her safe combination? WTF? Did I misread this? She lets this vagrant live with her and then gives her a safe combo (a safe that has TWO LOADED GUNS IN IT). 

Shades of Pratt....

And Hilary's business is suffering because some really attractive photos of an attractive woman went online? This is revenge porn. She was victimized. And she has an online GOSSIP SHOW. She's not running a nunnery or a an NPR news magazine (though I think even that would not be hurt if she were the VICTIM). I would think her career would be launched into the stratosphere by the photos going online. 

Yes, I think they are really bungling this.  First, by making even empathic viewers feel that this some sort of karma for all her bad deeds towards others, thereby negating the point, that she is being violated and victimized.  Who really feels that way?  And they used Lily to say it to really drive the point home, but viewers are not going to forget the vitriol that has spilled out of Hil's mouth nor her very egregious acts towards just about everyone.

And second, as you says @miamama, these photos would actually help her career, not hurt it.

[miamama]

27 minutes ago, bannana said:

Yes, I think they are really bungling this.  First, by making even empathic viewers feel that this some sort of karma for all her bad deeds towards others, thereby negating the point, that she is being violated and victimized.  Who really feels that way?  And they used Lily to say it to really drive the point home, but viewers are not going to forget the vitriol that has spilled out of Hil's mouth nor her very egregious acts towards just about everyone.

And second, as you says @miamama, these photos would actually help her career, not hurt it.

Yeah, it's not working. Of course Hilary is more than a vixen who wants to RUN THIS TOWN (lmao remember that?). And so I think it's important to let the character have depth. But they ARE absolutely bungling it. They should have had Hilary be all "Whatever, I'm HOT. Enjoy the PICS BEEEEES" after the photos went online. Even have her seeing huge success with it in terms of views on her show etc. And then later in private have that scene where you see this woman express how violated she feels, even though she doesn't believe she has the right (because she trades in humiliating people). MM can play it as an actress and it would work. Then I'd have sympathy. 

If the arc is then that she is trying to change the tone of the show to one of serious journalism they have a nice obstacle-filled route. She now has big success as the HOT NAKED HOST but she wants to be taken seriously. What will she do? How will she get there? That would actually be a strong story about a woman in journalism today.

This is just clumsy let's get to Hevon for the stans dreck.

And anyways as we are seeing under Mal, strong, successsful women in business is this:

10 hours ago, bannana said:

Apparently in GC, if you are a woman, and you attain a position of power, you become a Royal Bitch.  Today it is Ashley’s turn.

So of course he can't do complex and nuanced for Hilary.

[bannana]

The crazy thing about Hilary is that she could have had a settlement from Devon and then played the philanthropist about town like Drinki does, and she would have had power and status.  For some reason she wanted this stupid little GC TV show, and now is destroyed because of what has happened.  She's nixing snacks for the employees, and is going to lay people off.  Really?  None of it makes sense, including going after Jordan because he went to her after Lily rejected him. 

[NinjaPenguins]

Apparently on Planet Mal, power goes straight to the wimmins heads. Pro tip for Mr. Young: Empowerment is not achieved by badmouthing the boss who is on a leave of absence to key staff members. That's not strength; that's just unprofessional. 

Even though it was completely ham handed, I am glad that there was some dialogue about respect for women. Just because Hillary isn't nice and took some nude shots doesn't mean she deserves to be treated like a harlot and an object to be giggled over. Acting like the muffin budget has to be cut is quite bizarre though. Has Mal Young lived among humans at any point in his life, because he seems deeply unaware of their most basic behaviors and feelings. And I just assume someone else writes the Jack/Dina stuff. 

[miamama]

6 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

Apparently on Planet Mal, power goes straight to the wimmins heads. Pro tip for Mr. Young: Empowerment is not achieved by badmouthing the boss who is on a leave of absence to key staff members. That's not strength; that's just unprofessional. 

 

The whole thing was bananas. Ashley was talking to Gloria and Phyllis. ABOUT JACK. And she's trashing him? huh? Ashley HATES both of these women and has demanded they be physically tossed out of the building at various (recent) points. 

It was truly stupid. I have no idea what the purpose was. So we are left to assume it is as above. Women and power are a bad combo -- it turns them into ice bitches and/or DA VIXEN. 

Again though easy scene to write. Ashley is trying to be in charge but Glo and Phyllis both keep saying (politely but repeatedly), Jack doesn't do it this way or Jack wouldn't like that or Jack and I agreed etc. And then Ashley gets pissed off and explodes that SHE IS IN CHARGE NOT JACK. That works.

11 minutes ago, NinjaPenguins said:

And I just assume someone else writes the Jack/Dina stuff. 

Isn't some Alzheimer's association involved as a consultant on Dina's story? I believe I read that. 

[PatsyandEddie]

I think it was in an interview that Marla Adams did a few weeks ago. It shows. I cried yesterday when she and Jack were together. By the end of their final scene, I was in tears, thinking of my mother. It’s painful to watch but I can’t stop. These two are wonderful together. They both deserve Emmys ??

[MollyB]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

f the arc is then that she is trying to change the tone of the show to one of serious journalism they have a nice obstacle-filled route. She now has big success as the HOT NAKED HOST but she wants to be taken seriously. What will she do? How will she get there? That would actually be a strong story about a woman in journalism today.

Well, I'm seeing an anvil in Yanni being approached to be an on-air reporter soooo....maybe he comes on board with Hil and turns the Buzz into a real and serious news show.  Oh, the humanity......

[DivaT]

3 hours ago, MollyB said:

the she-got-a-gun story would have worked if the writers/producer had taken the time to set it up with Tessa, knowing from other on camera conversations that Nikki has guns in the safe,  spying on Nikki as she opens the safe and learning the combination.  Or finding the combination taped on the bottom of a desk drawer.  Anything!  But I guess there wasn't any script time for that what with the SexayHangover storyline.

And then she went and opened it out of curiosity. /bannana  OK.  I'm only half mad. It's still a dumb set up.

That's Bell's Y&R. Not Mal's. No time for those kind of details that make a full story and builds suspense and payoff. 

[DivaT]

2 hours ago, miamama said:

Yeah, it's not working. Of course Hilary is more than a vixen who wants to RUN THIS TOWN (lmao remember that?). And so I think it's important to let the character have depth. But they ARE absolutely bungling it. They should have had Hilary be all "Whatever, I'm HOT. Enjoy the PICS BEEEEES" after the photos went online. Even have her seeing huge success with it in terms of views on her show etc. And then later in private have that scene where you see this woman express how violated she feels, even though she doesn't believe she has the right (because she trades in humiliating people). MM can play it as an actress and it would work. Then I'd have sympathy. 

If the arc is then that she is trying to change the tone of the show to one of serious journalism they have a nice obstacle-filled route. She now has big success as the HOT NAKED HOST but she wants to be taken seriously. What will she do? How will she get there? That would actually be a strong story about a woman in journalism today.

This is just clumsy let's get to Hevon for the stans dreck.

And anyways as we are seeing under Mal, strong, successsful women in business is this:

So of course he can't do complex and nuanced for Hilary.

 

This seems more about giving the Hilary Hating Pitchfork Carrying Mob what they've been screaming about for over a year moreso than getting back to Hevon. Said mob wanted Hilary put in her place and humiliated with these nude photos. They're getting that. 

 

What you described is essentially what has happened. Hillary had her private moment of breaking down after telling everyone she was fine and she wasn't ashamed. Then she had the dialogue relating what happened to her to what she's done. She "hated making others feel this way".  She's also currently trying to change/revamp the show to one of empowering women.  Her obstacle is now saving her career and show instead of what you suggested about being taken seriously. 

 

Mind you, the hectic pace and running past beats might be why it didn't resonate. 

Edited November 30, 2017 by DivaT

[DivaT]

37 minutes ago, MollyB said:

Well, I'm seeing an anvil in Yanni being approached to be an on-air reporter soooo....maybe he comes on board with Hil and turns the Buzz into a real and serious news show.  Oh, the humanity......

 

I always thought he would work at GC Buzz. The casting call came out right when Devon and Hilary were arguing about the direction of the show.  I also thought he'd be paired with Mariah. But they opted for Abby instead so he ended up at NE, which made no sense for a writer cum FBI agent. 

[bannana]

Just a reminder that yesterday was my last recap. I may be able to do a few during the holiday season, but other than that, I won't be able to do recaps.  That won't stop me from snarking, and I am just 10 minutes into Show, and it is two days later and Abby is just now telling her mother that she quit her job?  Nope, I don't buy that at all.

[PatsyandEddie]

When is Ravi going to get tired of being just a booty call for Ashley? What a waste! 

IA Diva. Some things really shouldn’t be rushed and Hilary’s wake-up call was one of them. 

[miamama]

2 hours ago, DivaT said:

Mind you, the hectic pace and running past beats might be why it didn't resonate. 

Also I read recaps so I missed the emotional pacing (har har). Yeah it's too rushed. It's impossible to care.

She could (should) have been "proud" of her online pics for weeks before we saw her lose it.

46 minutes ago, PatsyandEddie said:

When is Ravi going to get tired of being just a booty call for Ashley? What a waste! 

 

I also find it unsettling in this current climate of sex/power in the workplace scandals coming to light.

Really, show? Ravi's boss sends him a text to show up in a hotel room and then is waiting scantily clad and hands him a glass of booze?

I get she's a woman but I think show needs to rethink this direction fast. I have a feeling Mal just wanted to show off how hot ED is in lingerie -- the way Days seems to do.

Edited November 30, 2017 by miamama

[bannana]

10 minutes ago, miamama said:

Also I read recaps so I missed the emotional pacing (har har). Yeah it's too rushed. It's impossible to care.

She could (should) have been "proud" of her online pics for weeks before we saw her lose it.

I also find it unsettling in this current climate of sex/power in the workplace scandals coming to light.

Really, show? Ravi's boss sends him a text to show up in a hotel room and then is waiting scantily clad and hands him a glass of booze?

I get she's a woman but I think show needs to rethink this direction fast. I have a feeling Mal just wanted to show off how hot ED is in lingerie -- the way Days seems to do.

Totally agree with this, it was uncomfortable to watch because she is his BOSS!  What happens when he keeps getting bonuses and perques and promotions?  I think they are headed there with yesterday's ep where she was gushing over him in that meeting for basically doing what any IT guy can do.  You just need another employee, Glo say, to raise it as discrimination.  Although that would be funny based on the history.

[peacheslatour]

12 minutes ago, miamama said:

Also I read recaps so I missed the emotional pacing (har har). Yeah it's too rushed. It's impossible to care.

She could (should) have been "proud" of her online pics for weeks before we saw her lose it.

I also find it unsettling in this current climate of sex/power in the workplace scandals coming to light.

Really, show? Ravi's boss sends him a text to show up in a hotel room and then is waiting scantily clad and hands him a glass of booze?

I get she's a woman but I think show needs to rethink this direction fast. I have a feeling Mal just wanted to show off how hot ED is in lingerie -- the way Days seems to do.

Ravi has grounds for a lawsuit right there. I'm sure Jack would be thrilled to have Jabot's name dragged through the mud. Ashley is a fool, but this is all on MY. I'm sure they filmed this months ago before all the shit hit the fan but this should burn the hell out of CBS/Sony. I hope the are looking for a new EP/HW as we speak. I know I would.

[miamama]

A good, nimble, sensitive writer could make a hell of a good story out of this. Like have Ashley in her insecure-as-boss, stressed-about-mom-and-daughter state actually do that with Ravi. Have booty calls when she wants in hotel rooms and then give him perks at work. And then it does become a scandal. Via Gloria or Ravi himself (would give his character something to be and DO) or some third party who witnesses this (maybe they could hire another IT person).

It could be good. Like Ashley could be WTF, the men in my life have been doing this for years. Jack used to sleep with all the models as I recall. 

But no good, nimble writers are on staff. And so it'll continue to be insensitive, dated and offensive. I suspect it will be dropped soon enough, tbh.

[valleycliffe]

miamama, terrific idea for a storyline...

ED is masterful enough to pull off a s/l like that.

it would probably win her an emmy..

[DivaT]

Great story idea. 

 

Mal well screw it up. And I'm sure this is headed to some sexual harassment story. Why else would they make Ashley the CEO of Jabot? Every time she gets the position, it's to show her as inadequate to run it. 

Edited December 1, 2017 by DivaT

[basiltherat]

And make Ravi the bad guy?  Fie!

[Toomuchsoap]

The problem I have with that idea is simply that they've been involved with each other for a while, albeit in an on-and-off manner. She was the one that was initially skittish about it. Ashley has always been his boss from a technical standpoint, though I'm sure he's got an IT boss above his pay grade, but maybe not. Surely Ravi isn't the sole IT professional working there. Regardless of that, their thing existed before she took over the reins as COO in Jack's absence and virtually everyone in the company in addition to the town knew about them. This isn't new and they've been more or less discrete about it. This didn't start out by a person in power using an hierarchal imbalance to take advantage of a subordinate much younger and vulnerable. To upend this at this point would be a mistake IMO. This is NOT what exists in situations like the Weinsteins or the Pivens of the world.

I know that Ravi mouthed something to the effect that it was "time to move on" just moments before he got Ashley's text to meet up at the GCAC, but "moving on" was not something that Ravi wanted to do. It was in resignation that Ashley was just distancing herself from him, but she only did that at Thanksgiving because she felt awkward and protective of her mother's condition and trying to maintain their privacy. What she did was truly hamfisted (shame on you, Mal, 'cause Ashley has way more class than that). If he succumbs to her considerable charms, so to speak, it won't because he'll feel he's there under duress to, er.. perform or else. It'll be because he's smitten with her. Always has been and the imbalance and age difference have made that awkward for her earlier, but it's always existed. We'll have to see what will happen. Perhaps he'll tell her that he believes they need to stop because she's now in a position of power within the company that other employees could challenge with claims of improper partiality and compensatory rewards. I truly Mal doesn't trash both of these characters by having her suddenly turn barracuda and he become the aggrieved and psychologically and emotionally "scarred" enough to drag her and the company through another round of Juliet & The Harassment allegations.

[peacheslatour]

If she has the power to promote him or terminate him, what she's doing is harassment plain and simple.

[NeverLate]

23 hours ago, PatsyandEddie said:

I think it was in an interview that Marla Adams did a few weeks ago. It shows. I cried yesterday when she and Jack were together. By the end of their final scene, I was in tears, thinking of my mother. It’s painful to watch but I can’t stop. These two are wonderful together. They both deserve Emmys ??

I'm so sorry. I was also crying, and I haven't been as close to this as you. 

Seeing sexy Ravi, with Ashley the dull( no chemistry) I so want the old Phyllis back and have her rip his clothes off..lol! 

[miamama]

On 11/30/2017 at 0:50 PM, PatsyandEddie said:

I think it was in an interview that Marla Adams did a few weeks ago. It shows. I cried yesterday when she and Jack were together. By the end of their final scene, I was in tears, thinking of my mother. It’s painful to watch but I can’t stop. These two are wonderful together. They both deserve Emmys ??

Yes @PatsyandEddie! I wanted to comment on this as well. Her pre-emptive I love you.....:( :( 

The dialogue has been very good. And what I love about Peter and Marla is that while both have a classic acting style -- they are "big" performers from another era IMO, they do not ruin these powerful moments with overacting. They both have a quiet intensity in this story. And tbh I think a big part is not just that they are seasoned performers but that they are older people. There is a depth to their performances that is very different from anything else on the show.

I also like the dynamic. It's true to character. Dina was and is a cold and (literally and figuratively) distant mother. And Jack was and is the guy who puts his entire heart out there and tries so hard to please--in vain--the woman in his life so that she stays and loves him. And he's doing it again now knowing it will end with her leaving.:(

It's good stuff. IDGAF what Mal says doing all these interviews about WHY HE HAD to tell this Alzheimer's story. This was Sally's story. She set it up, she knew the history of each character, she slowly built the foundation for this beginning over a year ago. Mal has rushed the hell out of it (which frankly is its weakest point; Dina's SUDDEN downturn) but he seems at this point to not be completely wrecking it.

[pearlite]

1 hour ago, miamama said:

Yes @PatsyandEddie! I wanted to comment on this as well. Her pre-emptive I love you.....:( :( 

The dialogue has been very good. And what I love about Peter and Marla is that while both have a classic acting style -- they are "big" performers from another era IMO, they do not ruin these powerful moments with overacting. They both have a quiet intensity in this story. And tbh I think a big part is not just that they are seasoned performers but that they are older people. There is a depth to their performances that is very different from anything else on the show.

I also like the dynamic. It's true to character. Dina was and is a cold and (literally and figuratively) distant mother. And Jack was and is the guy who puts his entire heart out there and tries so hard to please--in vain--the woman in his life so that she stays and loves him. And he's doing it again now knowing it will end with her leaving.:(

It's good stuff. IDGAF what Mal says doing all these interviews about WHY HE HAD to tell this Alzheimer's story. This was Sally's story. She set it up, she knew the history of each character, she slowly built the foundation for this beginning over a year ago. Mal has rushed the hell out of it (which frankly is its weakest point; Dina's SUDDEN downturn) but he seems at this point to not be completely wrecking it.

Wonderful post!

There's the speed issue, which is causing all kinds of narrative problems, and too many dumb little exposition-fairy moments. Then there's this other thing: the whiplash, "what the hell was that?" problem where characters are doing something that defies their natures as we understand them.

Case in point: the Ashley Midnight Lace scenario.

Set up by first, the character-flip in the office, where Ashley has apparently caught the same virus afflicting Victoria--the virulent Joan Crawford strain of the virago flu. Where did this come from? This is not Ashley as we understand her--do you think Mal's going for a DOOL-style demonic possession thing here? Or is he just a short-sighted opportunistic hack? [Answer not required here] Then, after being told that poor Ravi has deep feelings for Ashley, do we see the normative, kind of pleasant "friends and equals" main throughline of their characters' development resume in some interchanges that could include her explanation for "Take your pie and go home"? [Again, answer not required]

Then the completely asinine shock-value Midnight Lace hotel-room scene, where out of nowhere, Ashley's equipped with everything shy of a bull whip. Huh? Where did the cold-eyed dominatrix emerge from? Ravi, so far as we know him, always pleasant and sensitive, will now perform on command in a scene so void of emotion that it clanked in every possible way.

And then, Malomal...our odd couple creep down the insalubrious stairs of that pit of untoward sexual shenanigans, the GCAC. Aaaaand nothing. No emotional weight, no sense of any connection between the two--could have been a pair of robots coming down those stairs.

Jeez, way to wipe out a diverting storyline and a couple of good characters.

[peacheslatour]

Maybe Victoria's brain damage is contagious.

[miamama]

1 hour ago, peacheslatour said:

Maybe Victoria's brain damage is contagious.

Could be. One of the symptoms is sexually aggressive behaviour. ;)

[Capricasix]

What is with those dog-awful one-sleeved dresses? They look dreadful.

[Thumper82003]

On 11/30/2017 at 4:11 PM, PatsyandEddie said:

When is Ravi going to get tired of being just a booty call for Ashley? What a waste! 

IA Diva. Some things really shouldn’t be rushed and Hilary’s wake-up call was one of them. 

In view of what’s going on in the news, I suspect we’ll  be in for a storyline with Ashley accused of sexual harassment. All the asshole behavior of the men on this show and they’ll use a woman...

Just read the rest of the posts. You all came to that conclusion long before I did.

Edited December 2, 2017 by Thumper82003

[crowsworks]

21 hours ago, Joimiaroxeu said:

A semi-legacy character on AMC was about to blow up a church when the OKC bombing happened. Within two days TPTB stopped that plot development out of respect to the real life victims even though the scenes had already been filmed. This new exposure of malevolent behavior by powerful men wrt the people whose professional fates they wielded significant control and influence over has been going on for a couple of months. I think it's been long enough for Y&R to have veered away from anything suggesting they were fine with continuing to play Ashley's behavior toward Ravi as silly romantic fun.

Oy, there's an old western movie on TV right now starring James Stewart and Richard Widmark as sorta good guy gunslingers. I was just watching an extended scene with Stewart and Widmark sitting on a riverbank shooting the breeze and having some bro time. Dang if Stewart wasn't manspreading something fierce while the camera was aimed pretty much at his crotch. I am amazed because I always saw Stewart as a Tom Hanks kind of actor who wouldn't stoop to such stuff. Wonder if that's where JT or Mal got a bright idea for those scenes spotlighting Billy's nether regions? Is there supposed to be any kind of positive message in camera angles like that? ?

3

Buffalo shot?

Ala MST3K

[pearlite]

I admit I wasn't particularly riveted by yesterday's CDN--about all I can say is no JT [we do not use the character's name, because he's not that character] and Phyllis hijinx.

But on the bumper, did my eyes deceive me? Was that Victoria enticing Ravi? Career-virago overload?

If so, Mal: parallel character-lines aren't a mark of storytelling genius. They should actually make sense.

[Diane M]

Will Ravi jump ship and go to work for NE?

[bannana]

I honestly do not know how yesterday's CDN could have been any more boring if they had tried.

[crowsworks]

If our brilliant friends in the Great White North try to have a life this holiday season, rather than supplying us with hilarious recaps that really make the show superfluous...well you can hit Youtube and type Y&R recap 12 4 17 or whatever. You get a dry recap in a robot voice (Not nearly as funny as our compadres) but it still might be better than watching this shit-show.

[NeverLate]

I'm just so bored, the tree lighting party, yay,..(rolls eyes)

It was nice of the kids to donate blood for the baby, other than that...zzzzz It sure like Vicki was flirting with Ravi!!! Good, Ashley is so boring...

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Was that Victoria enticing Ravi?

Edited December 4, 2017 by NeverLate

[miamama]

So just when I think maybe I can watch parts of this show to see Jack and Dina, Mal has to fuck it up. So basically Ashley is going to make a power play against Jack while he's looking after their ill mother. Really? This is entertaining for whom, exactly?

"He CHOSE to leave Billy." omg. This is so stupid. And Billy is asking to use the JABOT jet to take Phyllis to NYC? huh? He can't fly commercial? And Ashley asks him if he's going to marry Phyllis? While also talking about fucking Jack over?

OH HECK YEAH GO HAVE FUN WITH JACK'S WIFE LITTLE BRO. WHEN YOU GET BACK WE CAN BOTH STAB HIM IN THE BACK.

This fucking show.

Edited December 5, 2017 by miamama

[jewel21]

Hilary is such a vile person. I hate her even more than Victurd.

I'm kind of happy Ravi took Victoria's offer to work at Newman. Wonder how Ashley will see it?

I thought it was big of Nikki to go over to Jack's and apologize to Dina. Dina was so nasty. Sundowning I guess, like Jack said, although she was always salty when it came to Nikki.

Billy wanting to use the Jabot jet was ridiculous. Phyllis won't be happy flying coach. Oh, shut up. She's lucky I didn't put her in baggage. Pretending to be sick so Phyllis and Billy can fly off to NYC on the company jet is stupid and immature. You'd think these two were teenagers rather than middle aged losers.

And Paul arresting and harassing Tessa with no lawyer present? WTF? Has Tessa never watched TV before? Always ask to speak to a lawyer. Idiot. And if you can't afford one, one will be appointed to you. Sheesh.

[DivaT]

The writing for Hilary is terrible and caters to the the folks that hate her character. 

[UsernameFatigue]

This is a day late, but I was so disappointed in the tree lighting. I thought it was going to be some outdoor event where there were a bunch of trees decorated at the ranch. But nope, just an ordinary tree in the Newman living room. No wonder Reed couldn't wait to leave. I always thought the Newman ranch was a ways out of town, but apparently Reed was able to go into the kitchen at the ranch to get a spot out of his shirt, and make a trip to Crimson Lights to see Maddie with no one even knowing he was gone. Amazing. 

I was wondering how long it was going to take for Victor to start using Christian's paternity and the fact that Chelsea knows he is Adam's son, against her. I can't stand ChelsCon and Nick together, so the sooner they break up the better.

So Paul really thinks Victor is behind the sex ring. Because that is something Newman Enterprises would want under its umbrella of companies. Sheesh. Paul should know by now that Victor only breaks the law to control people he knows and supposedly loves. Heading a sex ring is beneath even TGVN. How does Paul manage to keep his job? Or Christine hers, for that matter. Grrrrr. 

[pearlite]

Well that was a bumpy ride, wasn't it?

And JT, the eternal horny adolescent: "Jeez, can I borrow the car, please?" Only it's a jet. That scene with Ashley didn't work, Mal. You're turning these characters into puppets. JT sounds even more like an idiot than I thought possible--gotta take my lady to NYC for some quality shopping--I'll get you a big present, Ashley... What? Then Ashley concedes, like a very weak parent--well, just this once, Billy, and it's the very last time... What?

None of that worked, Mal. This is all getting very mechanical--see "puppets" above. We can see the strings: "okay, so then Ashley shuts down Ravi...and Ravi just happens to meet Phyllis...and Ravi will get a mysterious text...and blah blah blah

And oddly, Hilary is getting really boring--same old bitchifying over and over.

[Capricasix]

Yeah, for all the heinous shit that Victor has actually done, they’re trying to pin the trafficking ring on him? As if they couldn’t get him on anything else like, oh I don’t know, fraud, kidnapping, rape, murder? GAAAHHHH

[MollyB]

12 hours ago, jewel21 said:

Billy wanting to use the Jabot jet was ridiculous. Phyllis won't be happy flying coach

Isn't it about time for a plane crash?

[basiltherat]

If there is to be a plane crash where, oh where, is the Briefcase of Justice?

[NinjaPenguins]

Oh no. This is going to be Philly's "story" isn't it? Wacky romantic fluff better suited to teenagers with a lot of awkward heat-free sex thrown in to "spice things up." Because I'm supposed to ignore the origins of this unholy union so that a deluded writer can use a venerable daytime drama to entertain himself with a repulsive fanfic. Let me guess; the pilot becomes incapacitated, forcing Buttbiscuit to heroically land the jet. After the applause dies down, Assdanish coyly implies (probably to Jack) that Phyllis was performing oral sex on him, fueling his courage. 

A sex trafficking ring is not beneath Victor Newman. The only thing beneath that suppurating cock sore is a hemorrhoid pillow and a little bit of grave dust. However, he'd do that sort of thing on the side, as a hobby. As usual, Tightpockets pays the price for wearing a denim groin garrote that cuts off the oxygen supply to the noggin. 

The Briefcase of Justice refuses to fly anymore.

[Toomuchsoap]

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Isn't it about time for a plane crash?

From your mouth to ... Wait. Never mind. Mal would probably have JT wrangling the stick out of the incapacitated pilot's hands and heroically crash landing the plane on a mountain top. Who needs St. Dylan?

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Wacky romantic fluff better suited to teenagers

Yes. They've got three cuties and they show more maturity than silly Philly.

ETA:  Sorry Ninja. I hadn't read your post when I said the same thing about Buttbiscuit performing a crash landing.

Edited December 5, 2017 by Toomuchsoap