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ottoDbusdriver

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Who's bright idea was it to conduct an amphibious assault in broad daylight ?  WTF ?

Wolf ups the level of bad-assery, taking on 5 guys while getting shot point-blank in the body armor, stabbed in the back and taking another shot to the shoulder.  So glad they didn't kill him off, because I would have been pissed.

Glad Tavo is dead.  He was so butthurt that Chandler didn't show up to kill him.
I just wish Conchita had somehow suffered some consequences.

Chandler tried to go out in a blaze of glory, but decided he wanted to live.  But he did manage to take out the Iowa-class battleship with the NJ, a battleship which I can only imagine was re-christened the El Gato in the Gran Columbian Navy since it seems to have had 9 lives.  I'm still curious how it up and disappeared like a fart in the wind in that Cuban harbor several episodes back.

Tex !!!  It was so awesome to see Tex again, even if it was a dream sequence.  Heck, we even got Granderson and President Michener, and the Doc.  And Miller's legs. And the cardboard Chandler.

Sasha looked fantastic all while she was running and gunning through Tavo's residence.

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Joimiaroxeu

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Probably not a coincidence that they saved extended big battles scenes for Veterans Day.

Geez how many times could Wolf get shot and stabbed? The guy was like one of the X-Men.

Chandler couldn't even successfully go down with ship. But it was good to see Tex again.

That was a nice way to honor the ones who had already died.

I'll miss this silly show.

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mxc90

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Was it ever explained how they kept missing the battleship in previous episodes?

Wolf! I will assume he lived. I'm sure the other dead characters are saying WTF? He gets to be stabbed and shot multiple times and lives but I get killed?

Sasha wasn't careful. That woman could have been hiding a gun and shot her.

So the Nathan James is damaged and sinking but still had enough for its final BSG ripoff: Pegasus ramming a basestar.

It was good to see Tex and the others return (unlike the Walking Dead where none of Rick's family wanted to see him in his dream).

On the helicopter, one scene appears to show bullets hitting the pilot and co-pilot in their backs then next we see them alive and well (magic bullet proof seats?). Do we know if they survived?

I'm glad the lady and her camera survived!

Did we really need to see a tank run over one of our own?

Was Chandler chasing Dr. Scott or Sasha?

This season was weird, I'll miss a few things but I'm happy it's over. 

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ChiliCrab

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Tex! Even as a ghost, he's still the best part of the show. Nice to see Frankie and Cruz and Mason and Garnett and Doc. And Danny's dog.

Goodbye Tavo. From a Disneyworld janitor to a failed dictator. The cards never told him that Chandler wasn't going to show up.

Wolfman must be the prototype for a super-soldier. 

Chandler went down with the ship but not really. Oh well.

Miller lost his legs but somehow he still ended up as a ghost.

I will miss the Nathan James most of all. That was such a ride even with all the stupidity sometimes.

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xaxat

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The first two seasons were pretty good TV. Then it became the Tom and Sasha Show. Not really disappointed that it's over.

Seeing Tex put a smile on my face.

Did I miss Meylan in the hallucination? 

Did Jeter have any lines?

Even though they telegraphed it from a mile away I still couldn't believe they had Chandler ram the battleship.

Too bad we never got to learn about the captain of the battleship who was probably the most formidable foe on the show. He was a freakin' tactical genius who continuously outsmarted the crew of the NJ. 

I was really disappointed that Sasha didn't get shot in the back by Tavo's SO. It was so out of character for her stone cold Machiavellian heart to go out all weepy.

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Raja

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2 hours ago, mxc90 said:

 

So the Nathan James is damaged and sinking but still had enough for its final BSG ripoff: Pegasus ramming a basestar.

 

On the helicopter, one scene appears to show bullets hitting the pilot and co-pilot in their backs then next we see them alive and well (magic bullet proof seats?). Do we know if they survived?

 

 

I was thinking of The Enemy Below, after Robert Mitchum got fooled by the U-boat Captain but had that last ramming ace down his sleeve,  After the perfect shooting the battleship does it follows up but letting Nathan James just slam into her side? Maybe the 80% death rate left just a crew for the main gun.  And the last episode was a replay of Valkyrie 

Well the Huey's pilot seats were actually armored during Vietnam. Not to withstand a .50 caliber but enough to stop AK-47 rounds.

 

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Who's bright idea was it to conduct an amphibious assault in broad daylight ?  WTF ?

It looks like the Marines decided to support the last episode. I have theorized that the US Navy withdrew its support when they did the mutiny story line with the Asian squadron. No more Seahawk helicopters after that story was sent to the real US Navy for review. Way back to Clint Eastwood's Heartbreak Ridge the Marine Corp seems to support productions where the other services withdraw their support because of content. And you can't see the marines show off as well at night.. Whose bright ideal was it to bring a recon team back to the ship only to have them ride back into the battle in an amtrack? I guess they just needed a star aboard to justify  the time on the beach.

 

I guess for other than Navy SEAL MilPorn you have Hunter Killer until Top Gun 2 comes out.

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Lonesome Rhodes

Lonesome Rhodes

Ahab Chandler got his white (grey) whale.  

Five or six score military personnel took down how many?  They had how many mortar shells to repel the invasion?  They used three, tops.  Each took out a serious number of beach invaders.  Then they all decided to stand up and shoot rifles and such.

I was rooting like crazy for Simon to hit Sasha right between her perfect eyebrows.  

OK.  ABANDON SHIP.  But first, (tm Julie Chen Moonves), let's turn off everything and burn stuff.   

Well, I guess I'll see y'all when I see y'all.  

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Dowel Jones

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4 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

Who's bright idea was it to conduct an amphibious assault in broad daylight ?  WTF ?

Not to mention holding back on the tanks until the assault force had actually captured the objective (after getting their asses handed to them on the beach).

I thought Gran Colombia had something like 40,000 troops, although scattered all the way from Panama to Mexico.  Would losing their top guy really derail the army's plan?

I would like to know what was in the bow of the Nathan James, or amidships in the battleship, that would cause such a fireball on impact.

At least they gave credit to the USN personnel who supported the series for five years.  Not that you could see a name without super slo-mo.

Troll, we hardly knew ye.  And cared even less.

Oh well, show, you were good at times.  An hour of excellent diversion.

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ottoDbusdriver

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3 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

At least they gave credit to the USN personnel who supported the series for five years.  Not that you could see a name without super slo-mo.

The landing looked a lot like left over B-roll footage from the ending of Jurassic Park 3.  Same amphibious vehicles.

They never did mention if the helo-gals were ever picked up, because the gunner looked like she took a lot of fire before they ditched in the ocean.
 

3 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I thought Gran Colombia had something like 40,000 troops, although scattered all the way from Panama to Mexico.  Would losing their top guy really derail the army's plan?

Well, Tavo did kill all a lot of his generals last episode, so there was definitely a lack of leadership in the Gran Columbian army.
 

3 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

I would like to know what was in the bow of the Nathan James, or amidships in the battleship, that would cause such a fireball on impact.

A couple of pallets of plot convenience, maybe -- mind you they did show that Chandler re-activated the VLS systems which was located right behind the 5-inch gun prior to ramming the battleship, so we'll just go with that.

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Raja

Raja

7 hours ago, Dowel Jones said:

Not to mention holding back on the tanks until the assault force had actually captured the objective (after getting their asses handed to them on the beach).

I thought Gran Colombia had something like 40,000 troops, although scattered all the way from Panama to Mexico.  Would losing their top guy really derail the army's plan?

I would like to know what was in the bow of the Nathan James, or amidships in the battleship, that would cause such a fireball on impact.

At least they gave credit to the USN personnel who supported the series for five years.  Not that you could see a name without super slo-mo.

Troll, we hardly knew ye.  And cared even less.

Oh well, show, you were good at times.  An hour of excellent diversion.

Well the LCAC needed to bring in the armor isn't exactly an assault transport. You don't ride that hovercraft into fire. On the other hand why did the assault transports just stop in the open and stay there after their Marines dismounted? Is that the actual doctrine? it is not a tank but with just a few machinegun positions I was waiting for them to charge and use the shock action of armor rather than of infantry.

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Mikita

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5 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

They never did mention if the helo-gals were ever picked up, because the gunner looked like she took a lot of fire before they ditched in the ocean.

After the beach was won, they showed boats coming ashore. The female commander/general was seen getting off of one. As they walk by you see the doctor examining the helo pilot and copilot. They had apparently been rescued by one of the boats that had been coming ashore once the beach was won.

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Ebau

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2 hours ago, Netfoot said:

Right at the very end, I was praying for a Bizarro ending -- just as the boat reaches him, a Great White comes along, and CHOMP!!

That would have been freaking awesome!!  General Patton said that the only way for a true soldier to die is from the last bullet in the last battle of the last war. For a hard-nosed Navy guy like Tom Chandler, he should've gone down with the Nathan James; however, since he pussed out and abandoned ship at the last minute, then it's only right that he ended his life as shark bait.

But at least Hot Aussie Guy was spared. Sort of. Now he and Az Kandie can go off and live The Dream; those two were made for each other.

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Netfoot

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8 minutes ago, Ebau said:

But at least Hot Aussie Guy was spared. Sort of. Now he and Az Kandie can go off and live The Dream; those two were made for each other.

Really?  There was someone named "Ass Candy?"

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theschnauzers

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In an interview with TVLine posted last night, the EP said that the DDay like sequence was the result of the USMC at Camp Pendleton wanted to get involved. So a film crew filmed an amphibious beach landing exercise that was scheduled anyway, and later returned with the cast and many off duty marines as extrasto film additional footage and scenes. Without using taxpayer money and apparently within the budget for the episode.

That really was a well done sequence.

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raven

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21 hours ago, mxc90 said:

Was Chandler chasing Dr. Scott or Sasha?

It was Dr. Scott - Chandler says "Rachel?" and we hear the echo of her voice "I'll see you when I see you".   The show didn't ask Rhona Mitra to do a cameo.  The TV line interview mentioned above is interesting.

We do see Sasha later in the dream sequence, along with Slattery and Jeter, trying to get Chandler to help them and not go towards the room where Tex and death were.

I admit that seeing the people from the Chandler's and the ship's past was a little moving, even if I didn't remember all their names.  Aw, Mr. President, Burk, and all other dead folk; they have the watch. 

Goodbye show, you were good for a while and then silly.

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mythoughtis

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I thought Tavo was crazy. I thought his wife was power hungry-and egged him on to his own detriment. This episode I decided his wife was mourning because her chance to be Imelda  Marcos the second was gone. 

This show went the way so many of the shows I like do. 2 or 3 good seasons, then it goes haywire.  They get new show runners, or writers, or they decide to showcase some one who the viewers don’t like (Sasha). Then they break up good couples (Danny and Cara). Or they have to make up storylines( the grain blight, Tavo). 

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mxc90

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7 minutes ago, raven said:

It was Dr. Scott - Chandler says "Rachel?" and we hear the echo of her voice "I'll see you when I see you".   The show didn't ask Rhona Mitra to do a cameo.  The TV line interview mentioned above is interesting.

We do see Sasha later in the dream sequence, along with Slattery and Jeter, trying to get Chandler to help them and not go towards the room where Tex and death were.

I admit that seeing the people from the Chandler's and the ship's past was a little moving, even if I didn't remember all their names.  Aw, Mr. President, Burk, and all other dead folk; they have the watch. 

Goodbye show, you were good for a while and then silly.

Thanks. Maybe it should have been his forgotten wife instead of Rachel walking the hallway (I don't think he got to see his wife before she died). Also, his father was important protecting his kids in season one. I don't think he was seen.

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Ok Here we go.

Launching amphibs off of a carrier. Totally surprise attack. Lots of tension on the boats. Wolf hanging tough with Green.
Reporter looking nervous. Ok this lady knows where to get good eyebrow waxing done on a boat in warzone. Flashback: Eyebrow lady “Chandler ur friggin mental” Chandler “yo you’re the one taking on the beach landing laters”

Slattery looking in command, firing some shells into the horizon. We blew up a shed I repeat We have blown up a shed! Only killed a couple of hombres. Plenty more guarding this random undefended beach we chose to invade wtf. Helo in the air. Not a Cobra or Blackhawk. I think it is newschopper 5 with a camo wrap. Hitting the beach stay close to me. More random shelling. Ok we got a couple of machine gun nests on the beach. And armored landing craft. Lets do this. Lets get out of the armored landing craft and lay on the beach. Randomly firing uphill into machine gun nests is surprisingly ineffective. Whoda thunk. THe US with all of its residual might couldn’t muster some kind of coordinate airstrike? Napalm? Something. I guess not. Powell Doctrine is not in effect.

OK the red shirt who was with the black chick who we found on a boat who was immune and led to the vaccine is now a delta force forward observer got killed RIP. Wolf leading the civil war charge. Hope your plot armor is as good as his! OK we moved 30 feet up the beach. Newscopter 5 in with the frontal attack. Flanking or hitting them from the back with air power isn’t sporting. Machine gunner on the copter kills at least a dozen. Copter is going down.
Lets stand up and run into machine gun fire. Probably OK tho cuz their machine guns are just laying down suppressing fire. Oh crap a guy got one in the eye. It’s always fun until someone loses an eye. The guy with the embedded reporter got mortared. With the reporter, but she is OK I think. Not much shrapnel in Panamanian mortars.. Now the APCs’e moving up. Friendly driving accident. Make up lady taking charge like a boss. Mortar them back from a 100 feet away, no aiming or calibration. We are that good. 21st century armament, LAWS rockets, stingers, bazookas but give me a good old fashioned mortar and I am good.

OK now we remember we have grenades, Toss one in a building you are standing next to. Lets just shoot everybody. Except these guys they seem cool. Hoverboats are cool. Bringing in the 8 wheeled vehicles. Tavo making a speech. Lets trace this. We have coordinates. Fuck tomahawks, this is persona. Tarot lady didn’t see this coming. Tavo wants to go mano a mano with Chandler. Battle stations! Get your RHIB out! Green has eyes on Tavo. Wolf is just going t walk it off. Launch torpedoes. Then missles. Helmets in combat are for wimps. . OK our torpedoes are useless. Just got a hit from … a battleship! Abandon ship! No one believed him but Chandler knew about the battleship. Told you so. Because arial reconnaisance is not a thing anymore, no one could have seen this coming. Except Chandler.

Destroy everything on the ship before it goes down. Here are the pananmanian allies! OH Shi where is chandler. Is he going down with the ship? Wolf is dying? Dead? Make up lady caught Tavo. Can we just shoot the guy? No he only wants to be shot by chandler. OK he gets shot, but only after he went for a weapon.
I think chandler is going to launch a missile or something. Slattery trying t talk him out of it. Flashback to him and eyebrows planning for the future. After the assault she almost looks flushed. Chandler rigging ropes to ram the battleship. Ramking speed. Not sure what the ropes were for. OMG did he get off the ship?? He did. All dressed up in Navy blues at home. With ghost Russians. And there is the doctor lady in a dress. He has got to be dead. Whatshis hump has legs? It’s like a gathering of peeps that have gotten killed on the show. Here is that mercenary guy, Tex I don’t remember the last time he was in the picture. OK this ending has a Harry Potter with Dumbledore in the Kings Cross Station limbo feeling. Navy whites with everyone dead piping in. Just floating in the sea, hearing your children as you watch an ATV sink. He’s not dead yet, swims to the surface. Here comes the RHIB.
And that is a wrap.

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TV Anonymous

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On 11/12/2018 at 1:21 AM, Raja said:

Way back to Clint Eastwood's Heartbreak Ridge the Marine Corp seems to support productions where the other services withdraw their support because of content.

OOT: What? What happened with Heartbreak Ridge? It was one of my favorite military movies growing up.

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"Are you new to the infantry, Major?"

"Yes, sir. Just came over from supply."

"Were you good at that?"

"Yes, sir!"

"Well then, stick to it because you're a walking cluster fuck as an infantry officer. My men are hard chargers, Major! Lieutenant Ring and Gunny Highway took a handful of young fire pissers, exercised some personal initiative and kicked ass!"

 

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xaxat

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2 hours ago, NoReally said:

Before the crew abandoned the NJ, didn't someone say they had lost propulsion? If so, how did Chandler get it moving to ram the battleship?

Sheer force of will.

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Dowel Jones

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1 hour ago, TV Anonymous said:

OOT: What? What happened with Heartbreak Ridge?

There's a pretty good article on the subject in Wikipedia.  Basically the other services looked at the script and said "This is crap."  Even the Marines eventually withdrew their support after the movie was finished.

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Raja

Raja

6 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

OOT: What? What happened with Heartbreak Ridge? It was one of my favorite military movies growing up.

We can start with officers fighting NCO's. There is a reason the Gunny left the Army and joined the Marines and the movie had them  do the Rangers rescue mission on Grenda. The US Army said hell no.

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Netfoot

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This show started as an interesting drama, and concluded as somewhat of a comedy.  

Anyway, it's over now, and there is no point flogging a dead horse.  So, I'm "Un-Following" and will see you all anon!

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1 hour ago, firehawk12 said:

Basically my first post here on the very last episode of the series and I guess my biggest surprise was that I didn't know people hated Sasha. 

I don’t know about other people- but, for me, Sasha took screen time away from characters that I had grown to love.  She was a totally unnecessary addition, done to give Chandler a love interest. She also was shown as a one woman ‘army’ whose makeup remained flawless through every scene regardless of the terrain, weather, etc. 

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ChiliCrab

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3 hours ago, mythoughtis said:

I don’t know about other people- but, for me, Sasha took screen time away from characters that I had grown to love.  She was a totally unnecessary addition, done to give Chandler a love interest. She also was shown as a one woman ‘army’ whose makeup remained flawless through every scene regardless of the terrain, weather, etc. 

I hate what the writers made her out to be. I'd probably be more accepting of her character had they actually made a plausible backstory for why she's suddenly an expert in everything. She's a diplomat, polyglot, super soldier, electronics experts, EOD specialist, expert diver, war tactician, print and runway model with no hair out of place and face full of makeup even after an amphibious landing. 

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firehawk12

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21 hours ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

They did show Wolf being hauled away on a stretcher very much alive.

Yeah, and the TV Line interview said that was their way of showing that he survived.

19 hours ago, ChiliCrab said:

I hate what the writers made her out to be. I'd probably be more accepting of her character had they actually made a plausible backstory for why she's suddenly an expert in everything. She's a diplomat, polyglot, super soldier, electronics experts, EOD specialist, expert diver, war tactician, print and runway model with no hair out of place and face full of makeup even after an amphibious landing. 

Oh yeah, I guess that's true.  I'm hesitant to use the "M" word because of what it means, but she was the go to person for everything and a lot of it was handwaved to being some kind of secret agent type person in the past.

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TV Anonymous

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On 11/14/2018 at 10:10 PM, firehawk12 said:

Yeah, and the TV Line interview said that was their way of showing that he survived.

Oh yeah, I guess that's true.  I'm hesitant to use the "M" word because of what it means, but she was the go to person for everything and a lot of it was handwaved to being some kind of secret agent type person in the past.

Sorry, what 'M' word?

As for the series finale, it was a good show for 1-1/2 seasons. Once it encountered the British sub it started going downhill, and it went to MFF since it went to Asia. Not wanting to repeat all the comments in all those threads, I regret that the show does not show us how the rag-tag Navy of Gran Colombia managed to steal, refit, fuel, arm, crew and operate an Iowa-class battleship. There are only four of them, all are museum ships. Meaning that their power plants are already dismantled,  and their control systems are probably gutted.

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Oh my dear, sweet, pretty Wolf how I will miss you and your hotness and you awesome kung fu!  Thank goodness he survived or I would’ve had to gut a fish or two. He took his bad ass ability to a whole nother level in his own personal hallway fight. Go dude who plays Wolf go! 

I straight up cried when they had everyone come back as the ghostly ones and be all noble and loyal and suchly things. I was also crying for the Nathan James who was a character all it’s own in the show. And Tex! It’s Tex. I missed me some Tex. 

Poor Tom Chandler. The weight of the world still on his shoulders and feeling guilty for his own survival. Yes I know Saint Tom was over the top but I liked him anyway. 

I would’ve donated to a military charity if they would have had Sasha look messy, dirty and not all make-up glowy for just one show. I never cared for her much, glowing aside, and wish she had had a drastically lesser role in the finale. I was so very glad Danny got to kill the narcissistic despot instead of her. 

As many flaws as this show has had, on the whole, I really enjoyed it. I loved the military porn and think some of fight/battle scenes were very well done. I will miss it. See you when I see you. 

ETA:  My one last sad goodbye to the lovely Wolf. *sniffle*

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Wolf wolfy wolfiness.
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ottoDbusdriver

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3 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

 I regret that the show does not show us how the rag-tag Navy of Gran Colombia managed to steal, refit, fuel, arm, crew and operate an Iowa-class battleship. There are only four of them, all are museum ships. Meaning that their power plants are already dismantled,  and their control systems are probably gutted.

That is probably the biggest WTF of Season 5.  The Gran Columbian military was incapable of holding a bridge into Panama, but yet somehow had the foresight to steal an Iowa-class battleship from Los Angeles or Hawaii (since those are the only 2 in museums on the Pacific side of the Panama Canal), somehow tow it to a port on the Pacific coast of Columbia, and spin up the manufacturing base to refit, re-arm and train a crew for a 70-year old battleship.  This would have taken years to complete in a world that wasn't devastated by a red flu with 80+% mortality rate, and a red plague that shriveled up food supplies.

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4 hours ago, TV Anonymous said:

I regret that the show does not show us how the rag-tag Navy of Gran Colombia managed to steal, refit, fuel, arm, crew and operate an Iowa-class battleship. There are only four of them, all are museum ships. Meaning that their power plants are already dismantled,  and their control systems are probably gutted.

When it comes to reality, a retired Air Force friend of mine said that all he would need is  the Nathan James crew as forward spotters, a squadron of B-52s from the boneyard (no emp) and they would have bombed the shit out of Gran Columbia by lunch tomorrow.

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