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7 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

This is one of the comments on the link ~ "I have the horrible feeling that Farrah and Sophia will be doing mom+daughter porn as soon as Sophia is old enough. Farrah has admitted to letting Sophia watch her film and read her books, and now they apparently hang out naked together and take pictures. It’s seriously like Farrah has been grooming her for porn." ~ Nunya

At the risk of sounding like Roxanne, I caaannn'ttttt with this Farrah anymore...

Edited to add:  I haven't seen or heard Farrah say this stuff but it really does sound in line with Farrah.  I don't follow them that closely though.  Just what gets posted around here.  Can anyone confirm or verify that commenter's claims?

TMZ:

http://www.tmz.com/2018/02/23/farrah-abraham-talks-mtv-lawsuit-bullying-sex-tape/

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When Jeremy, Simon, and Courtland speak out through IG and Twitter against homophobic slurs being used on this show, that speaks volumes. 

Being a mother to two gay children, I will always acknowledge those who stood up for the LGBTQ community. 

https://okmagazine.com/photos/jenelle-evans-husband-david-eason-twitter-rant-cast-responds/ 

IMO, Kail, Jeremy AND Farrah can sit their racist asses down.  And Jeremy can have two seats with his faux homophobia outrage. 

Being a mother of a black AND gay son, you don't get a pass on one while being the other on my watch.

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10 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

I just re-read the article and Farrah mentions they have nude pics of each other on their respective phones. Sophia, a nine-year old, has nude photos on her phone. 

Call the authorities. 

My daughter will occasionally strip down and run through the house. She's going through her "naked phase." Kind of trying things out to see if she can shock us.  It's as cute as it could be. No way in hell would I take a picture of it, though. I am pretty open minded about a LOT of things but there are just too many wrong hands that could fall into, not to mention it's disrespectful to her and HER body. Considering how easy it is to hack into things or how other people can get a hold of your phone. Ugh, Farrah. WHY?!?

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Faux outrage? Jeremy is no actor. I also don't think Jeremy would lie about his friend being gay if that wasn't the case. I don't see him making such a claim knowing it can easily be disputed or there is a chance he will be called out on it.

It isn't as if Jeremy just jumped into the fray just for the hell of it. Jenelle put his name out there when she brought him up on her recent podcast interview. She then tries to reach out to him a few days ago by messaging him during his live Instagram video and sending him messages through social media asking him not to divulge anything.

I have a sibling who is gay. I have friends who are gay. I have co-workers who are gay. My neighbor is gay. I am surrounded by gays. I love my rainbow world. David's contempt and antipathy towards the gay community is unnerving to me. I can see him shooting someone for simply being gay and claiming some outrageous defense such as the person was touching his child inappropriately. Out of all these assholes on this show, right now David is the one that needed to be canned and removed. There is nothing MTV or anyone else can do to change his attitude. I am appreciative of people calling out David, even if it is Kail and Jeremy. At this point, I don't care who it is or what their agenda is. If their complaints to MTV cause Jenelle to lose her MTV gig, it is worth it. There is no reason whatsoever for someone like David to be given an audience or platform. That guy is dangerous to anyone around him.

Farrah is gone. It is for the best. She is off her rocker. I still don't like that MTV keeps referencing her porn career. It seems they may have other legit reasons for getting rid of her. My complaint is, the criminal conduct of the rest of the cast is being overlooked and has been for a very long time.   

I think MTV needs to stick with their new show that is starting soon and just cancel TMOG and TM2. Time to move on.

 

mamadrama I fully agree. Children need to be taught boundaries at an early age. There is a big difference between children being taught that they should not be ashamed of the human body versus exposing yourself to your child and having your child walk around naked while taking photos. Sophia is not being taught (I assume) she should protect her body from the eyes of others.

41 minutes ago, mamadrama said:

My daughter will occasionally strip down and run through the house. She's going through her "naked phase." Kind of trying things out to see if she can shock us.  It's as cute as it could be. No way in hell would I take a picture of it, though. I am pretty open minded about a LOT of things but there are just too many wrong hands that could fall into, not to mention it's disrespectful to her and HER body. Considering how easy it is to hack into things or how other people can get a hold of your phone. Ugh, Farrah. WHY?!?

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I try not to judge. If Farrah and her daughter like the free nude life, then so be it. But Farrah isn’t genuinely a free nude life type person, she’s had her boobs done multiple times, plus her butt and the rest... she’s not a let it all hang out and be liberated type. She withdrew Mowgli from school because they wouldn’t let her wear ... makeup!

This seems fucked up. 

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I don't mind the being nude part.  It's not my thing but whatever.  It doesn't involve me so to each their own.  

My issue is the pictures.  9 month old naked butts?  Cute!  9 year old naked butts?  No.  No pictures at all.  No 9 year old should think anyone taking nude photos of them is ok.  It's not.  Especially these days.  And for the love of earth, DO NOT post or speak of naked children in the media!  Ever.  It's just begging for trouble to come expolit your child.  It's completely unacceptable.

This burns my ass like almost nothing else can.  My oldest son was very good friends with a guy in school.  We would sit with his parents and enjoy their company at the academic events for our kids. I loved this kid.  He was in my home.  He was a great friend and seemed like an honorable young adult.  He was loving and supportive of his friends and an advocate for children.  Long story short, that all changed a few months ago when I accidently saw on FB he had been arrested the year before.  My son finally told me he went with the FBI to recover and account for all the county property in this guy's possession.  He said it was horrible.  A huge ring got busted that day-over 60 people worldwide and the money involved was astronomical.  His victim's included their friend's young children.  And many others.  I couldn't even wrap my head around it.  Shit like this can and does happen even when you think you know people.  Just imagine how easily strangers can be destructive with information like this.  Farrah really screwed up with this one and I'm fearful for Sophia now.  This is serious and dangerous territory.

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On 2/23/2018 at 7:26 PM, FairyDusted said:

I too am guilty of a word salad moment.Here is no exception as recently pointed out to me earlier.  In my case it was from a stroke. We had a fight for months because I could not figure out what spatula meant! LOL Only in my house can you fight over a spatula! 

Just yesterday I was trying to say something would "endear" someone to someone else....here on this very forum! But I could NOT get the right word. I kept wanting to put "endure". I knew that wasn't right, but I couldn't figure out the right word. I'm blaming "mommy brain". It's a real thing, y'all.

 

On 2/23/2018 at 8:31 PM, druzy said:

All that in front of Sophia. So not cool. And Michael's face in the front seat....he's just trying to find his zen place. I admire him for striving as hard as he does to keep his cool around her these past few years. I know it's made things better for Sophia, especially. But I hope he's not getting an ulcer from all he has to keep inside. 

When she flips out with her mom, I get it. I fully believe Deborah was abusive and put Farrah is precarious situations as a child. But Farrah is in her twenties now and needs to take some accountability for how she treats people. ALL people. Period. It's not okay. 

21 hours ago, AirQuotes said:

This is one of the comments on the link ~ "I have the horrible feeling that Farrah and Sophia will be doing mom+daughter porn as soon as Sophia is old enough. Farrah has admitted to letting Sophia watch her film and read her books, and now they apparently hang out naked together and take pictures. It’s seriously like Farrah has been grooming her for porn." ~ Nunya

This would not surprise me at all. I have often been concerned with ways in which I saw Farrah "aging" Sophia too quickly - the brow waxing, at what? Three? Then there was giving the girl her own Twitter or Snapchat and encouraging her to post pictures and messages to her fans! Any of which could be sex predators. It's just creepy. She has no sense of boundaries. 

From things Michael has said, I've formed the opinion that Farrah was molested by some guy Deb brought around when she was growing up. Victims of sexual abuse often have issues with boundaries such as we're seeing with Farrah. It can offer an explanation, but not an excuse. I was molested as a child, chronically, for four years. I've never once done any of these weird things like Farrah does. She needs help. She's likely not being honest with herself, nor is anyone else in her life. 

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Farrah Abraham’s Mom Debra Danielsen Responds to Farrah’s Statements About Having Questionable Photos of Daughter Sophia

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Debra Danielsen is speaking out and hoping to put some distance between herself and the controversial statements her daughter, Farrah Abraham, made on Thursday night.

As The Ashley previously told you, Farrah was stopped by TMZ while in Los Angeles and, while answering their questions, admitted that she and her nine-year-old daughter Sophia have naked photos of each other on their phones.

The former Teen Mom OG star’s statements did not go over well, and Farrah attempted to justify what she said by stating that it’s completely normal for her to have naked photos of her pre-teen daughter because “my mother has pictures of me, being a baby, running all over the yard naked,” Farrah said.

In an exclusive statement to The Ashley, Farrah’s mom says that’s not true at all!

“I have no photos of Farrah naked ever,” Deb told The Ashley, “especially outside in our yard! Our neighborhood would never be a place for that especially when she was small. The only place we were naked was in the bathroom– which is normal when you are having a shower or beauty treatments.”

Debra added that the location of the home Farrah grew up in was in a busy area, so she wouldn’t have let her daughter run around naked in the yard– even when she was little, as Farrah claimed.

“Our house is across the street from the fire station, public library and a Catholic church,” she said.

Debra also commented on another statement that Farrah made in her TMZ interview. Farrah, while talking about the pending lawsuit she has against Viacom and the producers of ‘Teen Mom OG,’ Farrah was confident that she would win.

“I’ve never lost any lawsuit I’ve ever been,” Farrah stated.

Deb said there’s a good reason for that.

“Farrah has never been in a lawsuit,” Deb told The Ashley.

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“I’ve never lost any lawsuit I’ve ever been,” Farrah stated.

Deb said there’s a good reason for that.

“Farrah has never been in a lawsuit,” Deb told The Ashley.

These last lines from that article made me cackle!  These people are unintentionally hilarious.  It's funny because it is true.  DebzOG, EMBA, never change.  Please!

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1 hour ago, ghoulina said:

This would not surprise me at all. I have often been concerned with ways in which I saw Farrah "aging" Sophia too quickly - the brow waxing, at what? Three? Then there was giving the girl her own Twitter or Snapchat and encouraging her to post pictures and messages to her fans! Any of which could be sex predators. It's just creepy. She has no sense of boundaries. 

From things Michael has said, I've formed the opinion that Farrah was molested by some guy Deb brought around when she was growing up. Victims of sexual abuse often have issues with boundaries such as we're seeing with Farrah. It can offer an explanation, but not an excuse. I was molested as a child, chronically, for four years. I've never once done any of these weird things like Farrah does. She needs help. She's likely not being honest with herself, nor is anyone else in her life. 

Also, I'm fairly certain one of the reasons she pulled Sophia from school was because the school wouldn't let her wear full make up!

While looking for some other dirt on Farrah I came across another article where it was mentioned Farrah gives Sophia "weight loss tea."  

One more tidbit ~ Farrah recently used Sophia's twitter to advertise one of her XXX videos.

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On 2/24/2018 at 11:49 AM, GreatKazu said:

I think Michael is trying to imply Farrah sold a certain amount of units of her book. To be a NYT best seller, one only needs to sell a certain amount. Someone posted the information on the Kail thread when I asked that question. I think Michael is trying to say  Farrah sold five times that amount. Just my guess. 

Being a loser I researched this. 

Who knew Farrah “authored” a bunch of “romance” novels outside her “memoir”? Read the Amazon reviews - they’re priceless. Unfortunately(?) none available on Kindle.

All the other TM “memoirs” (came up in same search) seem to be still on Kindle. Kail has actually the only claim to reality of being a  “NYT Bestseller” out of the bitches.

My Teenage Dream Ended hit the NYT E-Book Non-Fiction list at 11 in 2012. Never to have been heard from since. Kindle not even available anymore - I’ve checked now three times to make sure. 

But you can get on Kindle Debz OG something about being catfished. No - seriously.

Also unfortunately searching Amazon for Farrah Abraham - I got to see a mold of her vagina early on and multiple times. Part of me is you go girl....most of me is what are you thinking? 

I’ve come to the conclusion she’s inherited the delusion/crazy from Deb and Michael.

I’m seriously considering being more “understanding” to her in the future. But did they make her an insufferable bitch too? MTV editing is going to excoriate her (not to mention they probably have a whole lot more on film re lawsuit). I can only hope they do worse to UBT. 

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7 minutes ago, Jennifersdc said:

Being a loser I researched this. 

Who knew Farrah “authored” a bunch of “romance” novels outside her “memoir”? Read the Amazon reviews - they’re priceless. Unfortunately(?) none available on Kindle.

All the other TM “memoirs” (came up in same search) seem to be still on Kindle. Kail has actually the only claim to reality of being a  “NYT Bestseller” out of the bitches.

My Teenage Dream Ended hit the NYT E-Book Non-Fiction list at 11 in 2012. Never to have been heard from since. Kindle not even available anymore - I’ve checked now three times to make sure. 

But you can get on Kindle Debz OG something about being catfished. No - seriously.

Also unfortunately searching Amazon for Farrah Abraham - I got to see a mold of her vagina early on and multiple times. Part of me is you go girl....most of me is what are you thinking? 

I’ve come to the conclusion she’s inherited the delusion/crazy from Deb and Michael.

I’m seriously considering being more “understanding” to her in the future. But did they make her an insufferable bitch too? MTV editing is going to excoriate her (not to mention they probably have a whole lot more on film re lawsuit). I can only hope they do worse to UBT. 

You forgot the album she made with her book. :-) 

2 minutes ago, Snarky McSnarky said:

oops...sorry.

Thanks.

No problem. I misunderstood her comment as well. 

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On ‎2‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 9:05 PM, SnarkKitty said:

https://okmagazine.com/photos/jenelle-evans-husband-david-eason-twitter-rant-cast-responds/ 

IMO, Kail, Jeremy AND Farrah can sit their racist asses down.  And Jeremy can have two seats with his faux homophobia outrage. 

 

As I posted on another thread, Jeremy's one tweet does not even compare to David demanding that gays be killed and screaming through his social media that homosexuals are an abomination. In my view, it is not about giving him a pass as much as I am glad someone on the show came out and slammed those two. I don't appreciate what Jeremy tweeted, but at least he is not gunning to have black people killed the way David wants to kill gays. 

This coming from a mother whose daughter is engaged to a wonderful and loving black man. 

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1 hour ago, FairyDusted said:

@Jennifersdc  Oh man I'd hate to see your recommendations after buying that! Sooooo…..IS it free with Prime? Asking for a friend. 

Oh my Lord sweet baby Jesus it is.

I need to figure out how to download (not clever like that). Amazon wants me to go to their music app. Don’t have it and don’t want it.  

Can somebody’s friend (and everybody else far more clever than me) take one for team and figure out how to post one of her songs? I’m now dying of curiosity.

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3 minutes ago, Jennifersdc said:

Oh my Lord sweet baby Jesus it is.

I need to figure out how to download (not clever like that). Amazon wants me to go to their music app. Don’t have it and don’t want it.  

Can somebody’s friend (and everybody else far more clever than me) take one for team and figure out how to post one of her songs? I’m now dying of curiosity.

Maybe @druzy

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2 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

A music venture? Like she tries to sing? A book is one thing……I'll see what the deal is…Lemme grab my phone

OMG DEB has a book about cat fishing? Didn't you say that about Dr David @GreatKazu?

No, Deb was catfished about five years ago. That was why she asked Farrah for a loan so she could get work done on her face. 

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6 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

@Jennifersdc 3 times?! Are you punishing yourself? Don't do that Darlin. They won't let you post from Bellview!

It’s now four times. Likely once more before I head to bed. Can’t believe I’m giving up my Broadway show tunes/Public Enemy/Bobby Brown for this. Please judge away! See Bobby Brown.

Bitch though can’t even lip sync? I’m embarrassed for her. 

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41 minutes ago, Jennifersdc said:

It’s now four times. Likely once more before I head to bed. Can’t believe I’m giving up my Broadway show tunes/Public Enemy/Bobby Brown for this. Please judge away! See Bobby Brown.

Bitch though can’t even lip sync? I’m embarrassed for her. 

 

31 minutes ago, FairyDusted said:

I know! It looked like an old King Kong Movie! 

Good! Glad it's not just me! I thought my computer was out of synch. Turns out it's just Farrah. 

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4 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

No, Deb was catfished about five years ago. That was why she asked Farrah for a loan so she could get work done on her face. 

Thank you for that info. I always assumed Farrah just paid for the surgeries and hated her because of it. Interesting that it was a loan.

I wonder if Debra actually paid her back... 

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2 minutes ago, RealitytvLover said:

Thank you for that info. I always assumed Farrah just paid for the surgeries and hated her because of it. Interesting that it was a loan.

I wonder if Debra actually paid her back... 

You are welcome. Yes, there was an episode where Deb asked her for the money and Farrah insisted it had to be a loan. The way Farrah carried on in that scene, I believe that Deb did pay her back. 

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I don't feel super comfortable with nudity, but I know many families who have totally different feelings on it and hang around together naked. I wouldn't do it but it's their right. Our feelings on clothing and nudity (pro or con) are so shaped by our environments that I get that everybody will feel differently and what one person thinks is super weird will be another's normal. I

Still, I agree with whomever said that Farrah seems to have a lot of signs of prior sexual abuse. I in no way think she sexualizes her daughter or shows her porn--that's a serious allegation I'm not willing to make without some proof-- but she seems to have an odd relationship to sex, bodies, and others in general, consistent with abuse. 

16 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

Since the video has already been posted, allow me to offer this ~ a Shane Dawson review of the video.  It is like he hangs out here because he is hitting all the highlights that we snark on and I love it.  The best is when he snarks on her Farrah'ism speech patterns.

 

By far one of the funniest things I've ever read was a serious review of her album from a cultural critic. Omg, it was hilarious. 

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Y'all!  Look what I found!  Farrah posted this video on her youtube channel Feb 20, and I can't describe it.  Her pet gremlin is down in the right corner agreeing with ALL of Farrah's nonsense.  Listen to Farrah but watch Sophia.  The entire video has to be watched because she types things on screen and the Farrah speak is heavy.  I think part of her lawsuit is MTV "dealing candy" to Sophia.  ?????

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46 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

Y'all!  Look what I found!  Farrah posted this video on her youtube channel Feb 20, and I can't describe it.  Her pet gremlin is down in the right corner agreeing with ALL of Farrah's nonsense.  Listen to Farrah but watch Sophia.  The entire video has to be watched because she types things on screen and the Farrah speak is heavy.  I think part of her lawsuit is MTV "dealing candy" to Sophia.  ?????

I’m so confused by who is her audience and what is the actual message of this video?  At one point it sounds like she is trying to get the other mothers together to stop this cycle of abuse — but then she attempts to throw Chelsea under the bus by saying that Chelsea wants to be famous?  Compared to all the other famewhores featured on this series, Chelsea is pretty low key. 

Then, when discussing how the location scout turned producer faked the late scene — and the bottom of the screen she writes that Amber’s pregnancy is faked. In Farrah speak what is she trying to communicate?

She also shared that at the start of 16&P there were therapists that screened potential applicants. Gee, I wonder how many of them even passed. 

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40 minutes ago, CofCinci said:

I’m so confused by who is her audience and what is the actual message of this video?  At one point it sounds like she is trying to get the other mothers together to stop this cycle of abuse — but then she attempts to throw Chelsea under the bus by saying that Chelsea wants to be famous?  Compared to all the other famewhores featured on this series, Chelsea is pretty low key. 

Then, when discussing how the location scout turned producer faked the late scene — and the bottom of the screen she writes that Amber’s pregnancy is faked. In Farrah speak what is she trying to communicate?

She also shared that at the start of 16&P there were therapists that screened potential applicants. Gee, I wonder how many of them even passed. 

I'm confused too!  That's why it is pure Farrah gold! lol

I have a theory about the 16&P therapy screenings.  The ones picked *failed* the screenings.  Anyone who passed didn't make the cut.

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