shelley1234 December 30, 2016 Share December 30, 2016 Just now, poopchute said: I would agree that it's hard for her if we had seen her make even the smallest effort but she hasn't even made one small change in her lifestyle or eating habits. So I don't really think she can say it's hard before she's even tried. Is it really hard to push a stroller for 30 minutes? Honestly I don't see how it is. When you are as fat at Catelyn the weight will fall off fast at the beginning. She's lost weight two or three times to some extent since the show has been on...and faltered off and then gained it back. I remember when she was posting per progress pics on twitter and instagram a while back. Many people who are obese still struggle to lose weight. I am glad you can't even imagine that. I can relate to Cate on that level quite a bit. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864077
Chris Knight December 30, 2016 Share December 30, 2016 1 hour ago, poopchute said: It's really not that hard to lose weight though. If she simply walked for 30 minutes a day she would start to lose weight. If she took a chicken breast, placed it on a pan, put it in the oven, and then ate it, she would start to lose weight. Esp at her age. She's what, 25 ? Her metabolism is at the best it will ever be. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864118
EmeraldGirl December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) Fat people know what to do. It's not that easy. There are some lazy people, sure. But many many deal with psychological issues that cause the overeating. Oprah was nobody's idea of lazy, but weight has been an issue for her forever. Cate knew damn well that that quesadilla wasn't part of her plan, but she thought she'd throw it out there anyway in hopes of not getting called out on it. Even TYLER wasn't so stupid as to buy it. Edited December 31, 2016 by EmeraldGirl 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864153
GreatKazu December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) 1 hour ago, mamadrama said: We make references here to Roseanne and other shows on a regular basis and are constantly comparing characters to Jackie, Rosie, etc. I can quote as least a dozen people over the course of the past month who have made similar comments. The Negan reference, as explained by others, was a reference to Ryan's bug eyes. Some got it, some didn't. I don't always get the references to other shows that other posts put on here but I roll with it. I had no idea what was being referenced at first. I double checked the posts and then realized the reference to a tv show. lol I don't watch TWD. I just rolled with it. :-) 2 hours ago, poopchute said: It's really not that hard to lose weight though. If she simply walked for 30 minutes a day she would start to lose weight. If she took a chicken breast, placed it on a pan, put it in the oven, and then ate it, she would start to lose weight. Word. Cate put more effort into buying a waist-trainer to give the illusion she was losing weight and posing a certain way for her social media pages. If she dropped the salt, the soda consumption, eating at home instead of eating out, cut out the sour cream, the bad carbs, cut out the marijuana smoking which only enhances her munchies and food eating, cut out alcohol, and do something other than lying around, she would likely see some weight loss. Cate was pretty thin about five years ago. Having been in her shoes, it helps to put some effort since weight-loss doesn't happen on its own. She also needs to cut out saying it is baby weight. That ship sailed long ago Cate. Edited December 31, 2016 by GreatKazu 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864186
CofCinci December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 It's not PPD because she was depressed/anxious before children. 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864213
Maharincess December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 hour ago, mamadrama said: We make references here to Roseanne and other shows on a regular basis and are constantly comparing characters to Jackie, Rosie, etc. I can quote as least a dozen people over the course of the past month who have made similar comments. The Negan reference, as explained by others, was a reference to Ryan's bug eyes. Some got it, some didn't. I don't always get the references to other shows that other posts put on here but I roll with it. But what is a naegan? That's my question. Everybody knows Roseanne and Jackie. What's a naegan? Who said I'm not "rolling with it?'. I just wondered what it was. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864221
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, Maharincess said: But what is a naegan? That's my question. Everybody knows Roseanne and Jackie. What's a naegan? Who said I'm not "rolling with it?'. I just wondered what it was. Negan is a character on The Walking Dead played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864241
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 hour ago, shelley1005 said: She's lost weight two or three times to some extent since the show has been on...and faltered off and then gained it back. I remember when she was posting per progress pics on twitter and instagram a while back. Many people who are obese still struggle to lose weight. I am glad you can't even imagine that. I can relate to Cate on that level quite a bit. I don't see where I said I can't imagine that many obese people struggle to lose weight. I did say I don't see how it's hard to push a stroller for 30 minutes. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864260
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, poopchute said: I don't see where I said I can't imagine that many obese people struggle to lose weight. I did say I don't see how it's hard to push a stroller for 30 minutes. You said someone as fat as her should be having the weight fall off. I am saying for many with chronic weight issues, it is more complicated than that. It was for me for a long, long time. Hopefully Cate will make some lasting changes, but I doubt it is as simple as just pushing a stroller for 30 minutes. Anyhoo. Off this hamster wheel. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864267
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, shelley1005 said: You said someone as fat as her should be having the weight fall off. I am saying for many with chronic weight issues, it is more complicated than that. It was for me for a long, long time. Hopefully Cate will make some lasting changes, but I doubt it is as simple as just pushing a stroller for 30 minutes. Anyhoo. Off this hamster wheel. I said "when you are as fat as Catelyn the weight will fall off fast at the beginning." Which is true. When you have a lot of weight to lose, a small change will start working right away. I'm not sure how that translates to me being unable to imagine that many obese people struggle to lose weight. I'm not talking about every fat person. I'm just talking about Catelyn, who is fat, and does literally nothing to change it. I gained 52 pounds while pregnant and lost it by pushing a stroller for 30 minutes a day so yes it can be that simple! And even if it takes more than just the stroller pushing, the stroller pushing is certainly a good start! It surely can't hurt and in addition to helping her lose weight, it's great to spend time with her daughter, get fresh air for herself and her daughter, explore new places, enjoy nature, etc. There are many benefits to pushing a stroller for 30 minutes. I think Catelyn, who has no job, can find 30 minutes a day to do it. I really think she could! 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864288
Maharincess December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) 32 minutes ago, shelley1005 said: Negan is a character on The Walking Dead played by Jeffrey Dean Morgan. Thank you!! That's all I wanted to know. I thought it was something that related to the show and I asked a question. Thanks again for answering me. Edited December 31, 2016 by Maharincess 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864294
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 And while that may be a good suggestion.....I will continue to say it's likely more complicated than that. Take care. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864295
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 5 minutes ago, shelley1005 said: And while that may be a good suggestion.....I will continue to say it's likely more complicated than that. Take care. Well sure she can make it more complicated if she wants to but it really just comes down to calories in vs calories out so she can make it super, super simple and just get the stroller and walk behind it for 30 minutes. It's so easy! She could cut out one Netflix show and replace it with 30 minutes of stroller pushing and I bet she could lose a pound a week just doing that. Then if she wants to make it more complicated than that she certainly can. But to start it's really the easiest thing on earth: go outside with your child! Easy and fun. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864312
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, poopchute said: Well sure she can make it more complicated if she wants to but it really just comes down to calories in vs calories out so she can make it super, super simple and just get the stroller and walk behind it for 30 minutes. It's so easy! She could cut out one Netflix show and replace it with 30 minutes of stroller pushing and I bet she could lose a pound a week just doing that. Then if she wants to make it more complicated than that she certainly can. But to start it's really the easiest thing on earth: go outside with your child! Easy and fun. I am sure she WANTS to make it more complicated. For those who are obese there are usually a variety of issues at play that take more attention than what you are saying. I am glad the stroller thing worked for you. For others, they may need more of an intervention or even some therapeutic interventions. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864320
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 2 minutes ago, shelley1005 said: I am sure she WANTS to make it more complicated. For those who are obese there are usually a variety of issues at play that take more attention than what you are saying. I am glad the stroller thing worked for you. For others, they may need more of an intervention or even some therapeutic interventions. But she hasn't even tried the stroller. Or the chicken breasts. She hasn't tried anything. Again I'm not taking about the Obese in general. I am talking about Catelyn who is Obese. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864331
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, poopchute said: But she hasn't even tried the stroller. Or the chicken breasts. She hasn't tried anything. Again I'm not taking about the Obese in general. I am talking about Catelyn who is Obese. Agree to disagree. I think it's more complicated than the stroller trick. You don't. Moving on. Take care. 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864338
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 9 minutes ago, shelley1005 said: Agree to disagree. I think it's more complicated than the stroller trick. You don't. Moving on. Take care. Oh yeah that's cool I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything I just took issue with you saying I "can't even imagine that many obese people struggle to lose weight" because I definitely didn't. I just wanted to clarify that I'm not talking about all obese people just big fat obese Catelyn. 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864363
GreatKazu December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 hour ago, CofCinci said: It's not PPD because she was depressed/anxious before children. It's not PPD anymore, you are right. She did endure the effects of Butch and April and that whole toxic environment prior to ever giving birth to Carly and the abuse from those two afterwards. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864384
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) . Edited December 31, 2016 by shelley1005 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864388
iheartla December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) Annnnd we have another nude Snapchat of Nova in the bath. This time, Cate held the camera in a way that it doesn't show anything private. I'm still not comfortable with that being public, especially with over a million viewers. Bath pics can be cute and I take them every now and then, but they are something I only show to family and very close friends.. and kiddo's bits are hidden. Edited December 31, 2016 by iheartla Typographical errors 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864479
CofCinci December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 Ew. Why does Cate keep doing that?! Why do they need to film the kid taking a bath? 8 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864546
ginger90 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 1 minute ago, CofCinci said: Ew. Why does Cate keep doing that?! Why do they need to film the kid taking a bath? To let us know they bathe her? 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864550
GreatKazu December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) Apparently someone *cough Cate cough* is upset to read that some people find NonCarly looks disheveled and unclean. She has to make a point someone takes a bath in that house. 2 hours ago, poopchute said: Oh yeah that's cool I'm not trying to convince anyone of anything I just took issue with you saying I "can't even imagine that many obese people struggle to lose weight" because I definitely didn't. I just wanted to clarify that I'm not talking about all obese people just big fat obese Catelyn. We know you meant Cate. :-) No need to clarify. Edited December 31, 2016 by GreatKazu 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864609
iheartla December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) Oh for fucks sake.. Either she's pregnant again, or they're both being pranksters. Edited December 31, 2016 by iheartla 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864820
GreatKazu December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) They are both fucking around. This is like that stupid post Cate once posted about having bought a horse. She did it to get attention and to see how people would react. Edited December 31, 2016 by GreatKazu 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864823
Elizabeth9 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) 9 hours ago, poopchute said: I would agree that it's hard for her if we had seen her make even the smallest effort but she hasn't even made one small change in her lifestyle or eating habits. So I don't really think she can say it's hard before she's even tried. Is it really hard to push a stroller for 30 minutes? Honestly I don't see how it is. When you are as fat at Catelyn the weight will fall off fast at the beginning. It's cold out though. She'd have to dress the kid... Edited December 31, 2016 by Elizabeth9 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2864897
ChristmasJones December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 "My Tootie" ??? When I first read that I thought Tyler was talking about one his farts. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865542
shelley1234 December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 They've been calling her by the nickname of Tootie since basically birth. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865591
poopchute December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 (edited) Does Catelyn have friends? We never hear about them, see them on the show, or see them on her social media. It's always just her clinging to Tyler like a barnacle. If it wasn't Tootie's birthday, would she be in a club? She was so hysterical about Tyler going to a club and it takes a decent amount of energy to get dressed and dance and party all night. Much more difficult than 30 minutes of stroller pushing. Also do most parents wake their children up to celebrate at midnight on their birthdays? My son is only 7 months but I wasn't planning on waking him up at midnight to celebrate his first birthday. Am I doing it wrong? Please advise. Edited December 31, 2016 by poopchute 7 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865780
mamadrama December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 43 minutes ago, poopchute said: Also do most parents wake their children up to celebrate at midnight on their birthdays? My son is only 7 months but I wasn't planning on waking him up at midnight to celebrate his first birthday. Am I doing it wrong? Please advise. If their birthday lands on a weekend or holiday, we wake ours up to celebrate, but didn't until they were at least 5. And not "celebrate" so much as to say "Happy Birthday." If we woke them up when we they were younger, they'd never go back to sleep. Of course, at this point in time they'd still be awake at midnight. My family operates on third shift-none of us go to sleep until at least 3 or 4 am. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865841
GreatKazu December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 3 hours ago, ChristmasJones said: "My Tootie" ??? When I first read that I thought Tyler was talking about one his farts. I am sure that was Tyler's nickname given to him by his "acting coach" in New Orleans. He decided to pass the name on to NonCarly. FYI I showed my gay adult child one of Taylor's close up photos and their response was, "She has pretty eyes." 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865870
CofCinci December 31, 2016 Share December 31, 2016 In my parts, "Tootie" is crystal meth. http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tootie&defid=249696 Can you get Tootie in Boogietown? 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2865900
evilmindatwork January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 (edited) Never mind, already addressed Edited January 1, 2017 by evilmindatwork Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866395
DNR January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 Happy New Year PTVer's - you guys make me laugh and really enjoy my reality TV that much more ! Cheers ? 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866527
DNR January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 9 hours ago, poopchute said: Also do most parents wake their children up to celebrate at midnight on their birthdays? My son is only 7 months but I wasn't planning on waking him up at midnight to celebrate his first birthday. Am I doing it wrong? Please advise. Edited December 31, 2016 by poopchute. Only a maniac wakes a sleeping child ? I never woke my kids up at midnite on their birthdays but when they were old enough I did let them stay up to ring in the New Year with pots n pans at midnite ( anyone else do the pots n pans thing?). Lulz @ " please advise" 10 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866531
AmyFarrahFowler January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 42 minutes ago, DNR said: Only a maniac wakes a sleeping child ? I never woke my kids up at midnite on their birthdays but when they were old enough I did let them stay up to ring in the New Year with pots n pans at midnite ( anyone else do the pots n pans thing?). Lulz @ " please advise" Actually we just did 3 minutes ago! We usually go outside and watch the fireworks set off by a nearby casino but we are visiting my family in California and there is nothing like that allowed. We did the pots and pans thing. It was fun. Happy New Year 2017 to my favorite snarkers. May the New Year bring us pregnancies, jail terms, divorces and more. I mean that to happen on our shows! 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866557
ginger90 January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 My grandson slept at my house the night of his birthday. It was a school night. I let him stay up until the clock hit 9:17pm because that's what time he was born. He was thrilled, he's 8, lol. 14 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866613
GreatKazu January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 9 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said: Actually we just did 3 minutes ago! We usually go outside and watch the fireworks set off by a nearby casino but we are visiting my family in California and there is nothing like that allowed. We did the pots and pans thing. It was fun. OMG I haven't done the pots and pans thing in years! You just brought back memories for me. Good times. lol Quote Happy New Year 2017 to my favorite snarkers. May the New Year bring us pregnancies, jail terms, divorces and more. I mean that to happen on our shows! lol...hilarious. Happy New Year to you and may the force be with you all. RIP Carrie Fisher. Let's party like it's 1999. RIP Prince. Good morning to you! RIP Debbie Reynolds. And we are left with the clusterfuck known as the Teen Moms. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866936
Katt January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 5 hours ago, ginger90 said: My grandson slept at my house the night of his birthday. It was a school night. I let him stay up until the clock hit 9:17pm because that's what time he was born. He was thrilled, he's 8, lol. Does that mean, tomorrow, I can chuck my then 17 year old daughter in bed at 6.06 pm? Awesome, thanks. :) 12 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2866988
leighroda January 1, 2017 Share January 1, 2017 I was born at 9 am, I'm usually already awake... now I feel deprived 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2867457
Katt January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 I have no idea what time I was born, so I best just stay up the full 24 hours. 5 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2867743
Chris Knight January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 It has never occurred to me to wake my child at midnight on their birthday. My oldest was born 8/17 at 8:17 am ? 6 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2867790
leighroda January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 I just realized that me being born at 9am, Catelynn would have to make a special effort to be awake if I had to celebrate the hour I was born and she was my mom. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2867832
iheartla January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 Not a chance I would wake my kid up at midnight to say happy birthday. That's what the day is for. Maybe Cate wakes Nova at midnight because she sleeps until 11 am, has a quesadilla, and goes back to sleep for the day until Tyler puts Nova to bed. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868472
shelley1234 January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 I never assumed that Instagram meant she was waking Nova up at midnight. I assumed it meant Nova's bday being on New Year's meant she would be home and in bed on NYE instead of out and partying. 4 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868556
poopchute January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, shelley1005 said: I never assumed that Instagram meant she was waking Nova up at midnight. I assumed it meant Nova's bday being on New Year's meant she would be home and in bed on NYE instead of out and partying. Oh okay. Again I don't know because my baby is only 7 months but why would you need to be at home the night before your child's birthday? 1 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868629
CofCinci January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 Drug addicts and alcoholics wake their kids up while they're sleeping to "celebrate" their birthday. 9 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868649
shelley1234 January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 1 hour ago, poopchute said: Oh okay. Again I don't know because my baby is only 7 months but why would you need to be at home the night before your child's birthday? It's a common meme that people post about how they aren't going out on NYE. And she connected it to not going out because the next day is all about Nova. 1 hour ago, CofCinci said: Drug addicts and alcoholics wake their kids up while they're sleeping to "celebrate" their birthday. You know different drug addicts and alcoholics than I do then. 2 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868783
poopchute January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 I guess it's odd that she would say that Tootie's birthday is at midnight if she wasn't waking her up at midnight. Why not just say "Tootie's birthday is tomorrow!!"? Oh well Catelyn is just a silly sausage. 3 Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868826
shelley1234 January 2, 2017 Share January 2, 2017 I don't think it's odd at all. Link to comment https://forums.primetimer.com/topic/7346-catelynn-and-tyler/page/59/#findComment-2868829
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