Spoiler Discussion Thread: The Sequel

[JJ928]

God that look is so ugly on him lol. He needs to shave asap.

[Mellowyellow]

They will NEVER put waitress Felicity next to him but can you imagine! She'll look like a hot teen mum next to a creepy old dude!

[apinknightmare]

I've never seen hair responsible for so much good AND so much bad on a person's head. 

[Chaser]

Not only am I not looking to Oliver in prison, I’m not looking forward to Oliver out of prison. I can just see Oliver struggling to overcome the trauma and adjust life again. It sounds so depressing. 

10 minutes ago, JJ928 said:

God that look is so ugly on him lol. He needs to shave asap.

It’s the worst. It looks like bugs could grow in it.

[Guest]

Um...I hate to say it but he actually looks so unattractive. I know he's not supposed to look attractive in prison so it's appropriate but yikes. That's awful. Please shave and then grow out the hair a little when he gets out. It hurts my eyes. Felicity doesn't deserve this either! LMAO.

[Sunshine]

Maybe AMA stays around for a while and  they let Lyla suit up as her alter-ego, Harbinger.  She used that code name in the SS episode.

[JJ928]

He looks like he could be Felicity's dad lol. I can't wait for him to shave, SA looks best with that 5 o'clock shadow. That beard looks like it stinks, and has crumbs from last Tuesdays dinner hidden in it.

[Guest]

It looks like pubic hair on his face. I SAID WHAT I SAID. I'M SORRY. 

[apinknightmare]

10 minutes ago, JJ928 said:

That beard looks like it stinks, and has crumbs from last Tuesdays dinner hidden in it.

Prison snacks!

[Guest]

Do we have any idea if EBR is filming in that nightclub or was she elsewhere?

[Chaser]

I want a pic of EBR on set to see if Felicity still has pink hair. 

[JJ928]

We don't know. Hopefully she will be, but unless someone catches her on set I doubt we'll find out. However, none of the NTA actors have posted from set, and they seem to like letting everyone know when they're working, so fingers crossed. If not NTA or Emily maybe it'll be David.

[Trisha]

This makes sense based on what SA has said before, but I have no clue who from the Batverse it could be...

[KenyaJ]

49 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

Um...I hate to say it but he actually looks so unattractive. I know he's not supposed to look attractive in prison so it's appropriate but yikes. That's awful. Please shave and then grow out the hair a little when he gets out. It hurts my eyes. Felicity doesn't deserve this either! LMAO.

Lolz. I saw this tweet earlier and wondered if Felicity could exchange him for a refund. At least his body is banging right now. But it pains me that Oliver Queen is a butterface.

Edited August 15, 2018 by KenyaJ

[insomniadreams88]

Felicity upon seeing Oliver: “I can forgive you for your very idiotic move of going to jail without telling me until the very last minute. I will not forgive you if you don’t shave immediately.”

Dear Arrow, I expect lots of shirtlessness and Olicity scenes once they’re reunited if we have to sit through that ... thing on his face. 

[Mary0360]

I'm already dredging if they do play the angle of Felicity being angry at Oliver how that'll translate after multiple episodes of Oliver prison torture porn. I'm worried she's going to come off a little bit like Laurel in season 1.  It's going to rest on Emily's acting abilities to play that nuance  because I don't trust that the writing will be there.

[statsgirl]

She could play like Meryl Streep and next year for Least Favority Person. it's going to be "Felicity because she was angry at Oliver and he suffered so much for her".

[Mary0360]

21 minutes ago, statsgirl said:

She could play like Meryl Streep and next year for Least Favority Person. it's going to be "Felicity because she was angry at Oliver and he suffered so much for her".

I get that Oliver did a shitty thing in not telling Felicity what he planned to do prior to doing it. I also get that Reddit and Laurel fans will hate Felicity no matter what because water is wet.

 

Im just concerned that if they have Felicity be all "what about me and my feelings-how could you" while Oliver sits there with his beat up broken face and his PTSD that -rational or not- I as viewer might start thinking "Felicitys being a little bit of a bitch".  Saying that might make me a bad Felicity fan but I'm just being honest that's how I may react if handled wrong. A I don't want to react like that. 

 

Im hoping they play it either a very minor storyline- like a one and done adult conversation where Felicity can be honest and Oliver listens and accepts what's she's saying but then they go straight into working on their relationship. Or they have Felicitys anger play under the surface to come out later when there's more distance  from the prison storyline, so you still get Felicity showing empathy and concern for Olivers trauma initially.

 

But I fear knowing the writers past mo it'll be full anger right away Laurel style "I wish you'd rot in hell". Which is why I'm counting on Emily to be able to balance that in how she plays what's written cause even with Beth in charge I don't trust that the writers will write it in a balanced way. 

 

I guess Ill have to wait and see.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Mary0360

[statsgirl]

2 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

Or they have Felicitys anger play under the surface to come out later when there's more distance  from the prison storyline, so you still get Felicity showing empathy and concern for Olivers trauma initially.

Beth said that the strain in the relationship is going to be a plot point although who knows how long it's going to last.

I share your fear about how this is going to play out.  Even if they wait a while for Felicity to show her anger, people are going to say she should have let it go when she first got Oliver back.

[way2interested]

1 hour ago, Trisha said:

This makes sense based on what SA has said before, but I have no clue who from the Batverse it could be..

If they were getting their costume at the same time as him, that costume is coming much sooner than the crossover, so I think that's two separate people.

I still maintain that the character he's excited to interact with is Bruce Wayne, not Batman (MP said that Bruce Wayne exists in the universe but they aren't going to use Batman in the Arrowverse at TCAs pushed it more for me). The other costumed character is someone who will appear in either 706-707.

7 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

Im hoping they play it either a very minor storyline- like a one and done adult conversation where Felicity can be honest and Oliver listens and accepts what's she's saying but then they go straight into working on their relationship. Or they have Felicitys anger play under the surface to come out later when there's more distance  from the prison storyline, so you still get Felicity showing empathy and concern for Olivers trauma initially.

The fact that Oliver and Felicity each seem to be doing something during these episodes makes me think this is actually what will happen. Plus, since Oliver's prison plot is supposed to be an arc and not necessarily filler, I think it'll have to end on some sort of upswing to push Oliver back towards the ultimate show (and season) theme of redemption. I'm thinking it will be big reunion and then come up in the obligatory Olicity episode, which could even be 707 if he ends up getting out by 706. Then bam feelings are out and done all ready to be on the relative normal plane to establish 7b and the crossover.

And tbh, although I get the concern, I actually ultimately don't care because Beth could throw the idea of Felicity being mad out of the window and just have it be a one-liner joke from Felicity about being left out and some people will still be mad and say that she doesn't care about him. Have to focus on what is happening rather than be concerned with what people who hate Felicity care about. 

[Mary0360]

3 minutes ago, way2interested said:

If they were getting their costume at the same time as him, that costume is coming much sooner than the crossover, so I think that's two separate people.

I still maintain that the character he's excited to interact with is Bruce Wayne, not Batman (MP said that Bruce Wayne exists in the universe but they aren't going to use Batman in the Arrowverse at TCAs pushed it more for me). The other costumed character is someone who will appear in either 706-707.

 

And tbh, although I get the concern, I actually ultimately don't care because Beth could throw the idea of Felicity being mad out of the window and just have it be a one-liner joke from Felicity about being left out and some people will still be mad and say that she doesn't care about him. Have to focus on what is happening rather than be concerned with what people who hate Felicity care about. 

That's just it. I'm not concerned about what other people think. As I said I'm concerned that if they write Felicity as prioritising herself and her feelings over what Oliver went through- which they have done with Laurel with Thea with NTA with Lance, even to an extent Moira- that I myself will struggle to rationalise that and will find it hard to swallow as a viewer and still find Felicity rootworthy. I don't foresee myself joining Reddit but looking at if I was in Felicitys shoes and my husband came out of jail looking like that going through good knows what my first impulse wouldn't be to hash out all my hurt feelings before making sure that he's okay and getting him to a healthy place. 

 

But these writers DO like having the other characters play the "how could Oliver do this to me" as a priority over Olivers position because they are under the bizarre assumption that it makes him a better hero while not realising that it makes the other characters look selfish and unfeeling. For instance NTAs arch last season. They went from tolerable characters to people wishing horrible deaths on them, including in part myself. I just don't want to see Felicity one of the few characters I still like suffer the same fate. Which again is why my hope is solely resting on Emily's acting abilities then the writers writing abilities. 

[Guest]

The trouble is Felicity has every right to be mad at Oliver and they do need to have discussions about what he did. She was basically proven right about what she said in s4 - that there will come a time when Oliver will lie again. And he did, basically. So she does have a right to be angry about that. 

However, I agree they need to tread very carefully here. We're gonna see Oliver get beaten to shit for episode after episode and I can't imagine the audience will take kindly to Felicity being mad at him when we've seen him suffering so much. So I hope they're careful in the way they handle it but I don't trust them so I'm lowkey dreading it tbh.

Edited August 15, 2018 by Guest

[statsgirl]

Part of the reason I'm concerned is that the Olicity relationship has been a model for real-life relationship because it's been so well-written and healthy. When Oliver does something wrong, Felicity has always called him out on it.

If they skim over her feelings for fear of alienating of comic book stans, it will do a disservice to the past 6 years of their relationship.

[Mary0360]

Just now, statsgirl said:

 

If they skim over her feelings for fear of alienating of comic book stans, it will do a disservice to the past 6 years of their relationship.

I'm not saying ignore her feelings about what Oliver did but they need to be nuanced and balanced in how they write it, which these writers are typically not

[way2interested]

I don't think they've ever written Felicity as viciously mad or angry at Oliver or prioritizing her own feelings over his, though (barring like really small things that last like one scene). They've always been written as very open (bmd aside), with Felicity just calling out his behavior but really just being disappointed in him and pushing those feelings away to move forward. That's likely what's going to happen here, culminating to one episode where they do address it. They'll probably have Felicity shown to be continuing on with her life with some conflicting feelings of being hurt at being left alone mixed with worrying about him, big reunion moment, moving on as their married selves until the feelings come out in a future episode.

Edited August 15, 2018 by way2interested

[Trisha]

51 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

I'm already dredging if they do play the angle of Felicity being angry at Oliver how that'll translate after multiple episodes of Oliver prison torture porn. I'm worried she's going to come off a little bit like Laurel in season 1.  It's going to rest on Emily's acting abilities to play that nuance  because I don't trust that the writing will be there.

I love love love Emily but sometimes I do feel like acting-wise she sometimes leans into the snipe-y bits when Felicity and Oliver are having disagreements. Like when she snapped at him to answer his phone at the table in 622, or the whole “I told you so, I told you so, I told you so” bit at the start of 520.  I think it’s mostly the writing rather than the acting (how do you say “I told you so” 11 times and not come off as a bit petulant?) - plus it doesn’t help that in the scenes where I’ve really noticed it, Oliver is usually depicted as the calm one and/or he’s placating her. And I adore that character, so I can’t imagine how it’ll go over for those looking for a reason to hate her. She has every right to be upset post-prison but I hope it’s a balanced conversation that doesn’t drag on multiple episodes. 

[apinknightmare]

I’d like it if Felicity and William are relieved and welcoming because they love him and are glad he’s out of jail and know he’s suffered too, but with a lingering distance because they’re both so angry at him for what he did. I’m hoping that anger is expressed with Oliver being the one to open the door, like, “I know you’re angry with me. I deserve that anger, let’s talk about it, and I’ll try to make it right,” which leads to an airing of the grievances. At this point I think it’d be more powerful if it’s a quiet kind of hurt that they have to address rather than a knock-down drag-out. Not because I don’t think Felicity deserves to have a breakdown over it, but mostly because I think a more subtle approach would be an interesting change of pace, more suited to Emily’s strengths, and more impactful because no one’s running away, no one’s shutting anyone out, but they’re all trying to do the best they can. 

I don’t have particularly high hopes, but I’m also not really sure what to expect given the BTS change. 

[KenyaJ]

15 minutes ago, Angel12d said:

The trouble is Felicity has every right to be mad at Oliver and they do need to have discussions about what he did. She was basically proven right about what she said in s4 - that there will come a time when Oliver will lie again. And he did, basically. So she does have a right to be angry about that. 

Yeah, I don't need Felicity to be mad at him for an extended length of time, but this is absolutely something they have to discuss and work through. Felicity and William have every right to fear the next time that Oliver will pull the rug out from under them with no warning and Oliver needs to regain their trust. Emily's comment at SDCC that Felicity's experiencing a lot of confusing feelings gives me hope that she's going to feel all the relief, happiness and frustration that she should feel when Oliver gets home. 

ETA: Or basically everything @apinknightmare said while I was typing.

Edited August 15, 2018 by KenyaJ

[Chaser]

7 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I’d like it if Felicity and William are relieved and welcoming because they love him and are glad he’s out of jail and know he’s suffered too, but with a lingering distance because they’re both so angry at him for what he did. I’m hoping that anger is expressed with Oliver being the one to open the door, like, “I know you’re angry with me. I deserve that anger, let’s talk about it, and I’ll try to make it right,” which leads to an airing of the grievances. At this point I think it’d be more powerful if it’s a quiet kind of hurt that they have to address rather than a knock-down drag-out. Not because I don’t think Felicity deserves to have a breakdown over it, but mostly because I think a more subtle approach would be an interesting change of pace, more suited to Emily’s strengths, and more impactful because no one’s running away, no one’s shutting anyone out, but they’re all trying to do the best they can. 

I don’t have particularly high hopes, but I’m also not really sure what to expect given the BTS change. 

I just typed up a similar post but deleted it cause this sums up my ideal perfectly. Her first reaction should be love. 

Also, I’d like Oliver to realize he made her biggest fear again. It’s a pattern for him he doesn’t recognize till Felicity calls him on it. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Chaser

[apinknightmare]

1 minute ago, Chaser said:

Also, I’d like Oliver to realize he made her biggest fear again. It’s a pattern for him he doesn’t recognize till Felicity calls him on it. 

Yeah, he’s had nothing but time to think and he was pretty introspective before he got carted off into custody, so I’m hoping he’s like, “Here’s what I figured out about myself, and here’s how I’m going to earn your trust again.” 

 

Or something close to that. 

[Guest]

Yeah, @apinknightmare explains my wishes perfectly. I'd like a reunion where they're happy that he's back and then the anger is discussed. And I really don't want it dragged out. 

Edited August 15, 2018 by Guest

[statsgirl]

30 minutes ago, way2interested said:

 They'll probably have Felicity shown to be continuing on with her life with some conflicting feelings of being hurt at being left alone mixed with worrying about him, big reunion moment, moving on as their married selves until the feelings come out in a future episode.

This is what I'm afraid of.  For Felicity to continue to suppress her very justified anger at him doing the same thing over and over again would be bad for their future relationship IRL.  Having the feelings come out later in anger is just going to make people hate her more.

24 minutes ago, apinknightmare said:

I’d like it if Felicity and William are relieved and welcoming because they love him and are glad he’s out of jail and know he’s suffered too, but with a lingering distance because they’re both so angry at him for what he did. I’m hoping that anger is expressed with Oliver being the one to open the door, like, “I know you’re angry with me. I deserve that anger, let’s talk about it, and I’ll try to make it right,” which leads to an airing of the grievances. At this point I think it’d be more powerful if it’s a quiet kind of hurt that they have to address rather than a knock-down drag-out. Not because I don’t think Felicity deserves to have a breakdown over it, but mostly because I think a more subtle approach would be an interesting change of pace, more suited to Emily’s strengths, and more impactful because no one’s running away, no one’s shutting anyone out, but they’re all trying to do the best they can.

I would love it if that happened.

The repeated episodes of Oliver getting beaten up in supermax worry me though because it feels like the theme will be Poor Oliver rather than The Guy Keeps Hurting His Wife (and His Son and BFF Dggle) Over and Over Again The Same Way.

[tennisgurl]

Sometimes, I swear, its like the writers are just sadists who hate Oliver and want him to keep making the same terrible life choices, and keep suffering, over and over again. Its just depressing at this point. 

Ideally, Felicity would be dealing with conflicting emotions when while Oliver is in jail. She is understandably angry at his boneheaded decision, but is also afraid for him and wants him back as soon as possible, because she still loves him and would never want him to suffer. Unfortunately, its going to be hard for them to write that kind of nuance (these are the people who thought that NTA VS OTA was a complex, understandable conflict) and will probably either involved Felicity being pissed at an already miserable Oliver, which will look like kicking a guy while he is already down, or Felicity wont be allowed to express any frustration over his latest bad life choice, and the whole thing will be brushed aside. 

[thegirlsleuth]

I think an interesting dynamic might be if Felicity and William have become this cohesive unit in Oliver's absence, leading to a bumpy re-entry for Oliver. Not that they would be street fighters, but I could see William and Felicity being able to defend themselves and each other--William can load a weapon in 7 seconds and Felicity has created code words that only the two of them know for when things go FUBAR and they have to make quick escapes from the Argus hideouts (and now it sounds like a Terminator AU).  All of that is in addition to William becoming an excellent cook and Felicity reprogramming the roomba so they never have to vacuum. When Oliver comes back he is horrified when he realizes his son is a firearms expert and hurt when Felicity and William tell him to throw the meatloaf in the fridge because Tuesday is taco night. There would be no malice on either side, but there would be a disconnect, and could lead to necessary conflict.

Do I think I will get this?  No I do not. The writers go for big drama, and they value blood connections to an absurd degree, and the idea that William might be more connected to Felicity than Oliver will not occur to them.

[Mellowyellow]

The only thing that gives me hope @thegirlsleuth is that after they killed dumbass Samantha they seemed to have given William more Felicity traits than traits of his biological parents (who are morons).

Last season he seemed more like a kid Felicity raised than the other idiot. 

[thegirlsleuth]

30 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

The only thing that gives me hope @thegirlsleuth is that after they killed dumbass Samantha they seemed to have given William more Felicity traits than traits of his biological parents (who are morons).

Last season he seemed more like a kid Felicity raised than the other idiot. 

I agree.  I felt like William turned into Felicity's parenting story rather than Oliver's.  I enjoyed it, but it seemed like such a strange choice after going through such contortions to get William and Oliver together.

[Guest]

I wonder if they realized that they get more out of the kid actor with EBR than they do when he's with SA? He's still pretty terrible but there have been some nice Felicity/William moments where it doesn't bother me as much.

[bijoux]

I have suspicions along those lines. He unclenches more when he’s around EBR.

[KenyaJ]

6 hours ago, thegirlsleuth said:

I think an interesting dynamic might be if Felicity and William have become this cohesive unit in Oliver's absence, leading to a bumpy re-entry for Oliver. Not that they would be street fighters, but I could see William and Felicity being able to defend themselves and each other--William can load a weapon in 7 seconds and Felicity has created code words that only the two of them know for when things go FUBAR and they have to make quick escapes from the Argus hideouts (and now it sounds like a Terminator AU).  All of that is in addition to William becoming an excellent cook and Felicity reprogramming the roomba so they never have to vacuum. When Oliver comes back he is horrified when he realizes his son is a firearms expert and hurt when Felicity and William tell him to throw the meatloaf in the fridge because Tuesday is taco night. There would be no malice on either side, but there would be a disconnect, and could lead to necessary conflict.

Do I think I will get this?  No I do not. The writers go for big drama, and they value blood connections to an absurd degree, and the idea that William might be more connected to Felicity than Oliver will not occur to them.

You're probably right, but if this is the case, they are complete hacks. One of the few things they did right last season was the way they wrote William and Felicity's scenes. We got to see them bond and it's clear that Felicity loves William like he was her own and he adores her. William spent last season terrified that he would lose Oliver like he lost his mom and he ended up being right. I think he's going to end up being incredibly angry at Oliver, far angrier than Felicity will be. It's one thing to lose your dad because he gets killed protecting a city; it's another thing entirely to lose your dad because he makes a choice to go to prison. William can probably understand the heroism and sacrifice in Oliver's choice, but he's at an age where the world revolves around his feelings. And the bottom line is that — good reason, bad reason, or no reason — his dad left him.

In the wake of that, I would expect him to cling to Felicity like she's his only lifeline. The two of them basically have to create a new life for themselves and a new "normal" that Oliver isn't a part of. Like you said in the first part of your post, they totally should be a cohesive unit at this point and when Oliver gets back, I'd like to see him struggle with the reality that he's not a part of that. Like you, I don't think there'd be any malice in that from Felicity and I think she would try to make Oliver feel included in their lives again. But I actually hope there is some malice from William. We know Felicity's going to do everything she can to protect him, but I would expect him to become incredibly protective of her too. He's in a better position than anyone to know how hard things have been for Felicity and I think he's far more likely to "punish" Oliver for it than she is. Stephen and Beth have both alluded to the fact that William is going to have a really tough time this season and I wouldn't be surprised if one of the ways he acts out is by trying to make Oliver feel as excluded as possible from his tight bond with Felicity. I'd love to see Felicity trying to put her family back together, knowing how hard Oliver is trying to reconnect with William and encouraging that but also understanding William's parental abandonment issues and giving him the space and time he needs to work through those feelings.

Hmm, I just realized that I want is a spinoff family drama about the Queens dealing with the emotional aftermath of Oliver's return. It's really the only potential storyline I care about right now.

[tennisgurl]

2 hours ago, KenyaJ said:

Hmm, I just realized that I want is a spinoff family drama about the Queens dealing with the emotional aftermath of Oliver's return. It's really the only potential storyline I care about right now.

Honestly, that sounds a million times better than watching the Dragon mumble his evil plans and NTA act like hot shit after causing just about every problem that they will have to deal with in this season. I think watching Oliver try to readjust to being with his family, and his family readjust to him being around, and dealing with the issues they will all clearly have after this whole ordeal, sounds like an awesome season. Maybe have Oliver beat up a few gun runners or something for an action scene, but mostly, be about the Queen family. 

[calliope1975]

I think it's about time Ivy Town got their vigilante back. Who knows how many lawn ornaments have been stolen in his absence? I bet someone has even passed off a store bought pie as a homemade one at the neighborhood bake sale. This type of evil cannot go unpunished.

[tennisgurl]

You have failed this bake sale. 

[Trini]

16 hours ago, tennisgurl said:

Sometimes, I swear, its like the writers are just sadists who hate Oliver and want him to keep making the same terrible life choices, and keep suffering, over and over again. Its just depressing at this point. 

I don't think they hate Oliver, but isn't this the showrunners' basic approach to the show? I know I've seen at least a couple of quotes where they say they try to disrupt his life as much as possible (so he can rise above eventually, I guess).

[statsgirl]

There's a difference though between disrupting his life (having both the FBI and Diaz attacking him at the same time) and making the same mistakes over and over again (deciding to go it alone without running it by Diggle and Felicity), and having to re-learn the same lesson every season..

[apinknightmare]

Oliver makes the same mistakes over and over again because Marc and Wendy are hacks without the imagination required to create drama without assassinating the character of the person who is the source of the drama/having said character just flat-out being stupid. They didn't just do this to Oliver, although as the main character, they frequently fell back on the same storylines with him. Here's hoping that Beth has a different way of operating, and that her bosses didn't rub off on her even a little bit.

[BkWurm1]

1 hour ago, apinknightmare said:

Oliver makes the same mistakes over and over again because Marc and Wendy are hacks without the imagination required to create drama without assassinating the character of the person who is the source of the drama/having said character just flat-out being stupid. They didn't just do this to Oliver, although as the main character, they frequently fell back on the same storylines with him. Here's hoping that Beth has a different way of operating and that her bosses didn't rub off on her even a little bit.

 

 

Given how long she worked with them, I'd say out odds on that are pretty low but I expect she's an improvement at least.    

Edited August 16, 2018 by BkWurm1

[apinknightmare]

7 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Given how long she worked with them, I'd say out odds on that are pretty low but I expect she's an improvement at least.    

I'm hoping that she watched them in the shadowsthinking, these idiots, all the while gracefully maneuvering herself to take their jobs once they were shitcanned. 

 

 

Shhh, let me have it until my dreams are shattered on October whatever day the premiere is.

[Mary0360]

7 minutes ago, BkWurm1 said:

Given how long she worked with them, I'd say out odds on that are pretty low but I expect she's an improvement at least.    

I mean some of the other writers were defending NTA harder then Marc and Wendy last season so I'm not convinced that the choices in writing or the belief in the storyline were solely unilaterally on Marc and Wendy's shoulders last season.  

 

But I'll give Beth some benefit of the doubt. Although her describing the season as darker and more depressing at SDCC doesn't give me a huge amount of hope.

[Mellowyellow]

7 minutes ago, Mary0360 said:

 

But I'll give Beth some benefit of the doubt. Although her describing the season as darker and more depressing at SDCC doesn't give me a huge amount of hope.

This pretty much KILLED any faith I had in her and the season!

I'm hanging on because I love Felicity and I kinda need to watch the characters to keep up my writing but that's about it! 

[Mary0360]

5 minutes ago, Mellowyellow said:

This pretty much KILLED any faith I had in her and the season!

I'm hanging on because I love Felicity and I kinda need to watch the characters to keep up my writing but that's about it! 

Right now the theory/promise of Felicity teaming up with Watson and being her own hero is the only thing keeping me some what optimistic.