ChicagoCita August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 9 hours ago, fishsanwitt said: Meh! needs her mic turned off. This is my fantasy. When she starts taking over the table, and screeching, and demanding that she alone be allowed to talk... they cut her mic. It would be awesome if the rest of the panel just ignored her and kept on talking, and no one could hear little Meghan except the poor studio audience. 18 Link to comment
Popular Post blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 7 hours ago, ChicagoCita said: This is my fantasy. When she starts taking over the table, and screeching, and demanding that she alone be allowed to talk... they cut her mic. It would be awesome if the rest of the panel just ignored her and kept on talking, and no one could hear little Meghan except the poor studio audience. Or better yet there is a trap door under her chair. Someone pushes a button and the floor opens up and bye Meghan. 27 Link to comment
WarnerCL45 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 10 hours ago, TheGreenKnight said: I agree with all of this. I already plan to jump ship if McCain 2.0 (Abby Huntsman) joins the show. I've generally watched the series every day since high school because I liked Joy. The only times I haven't watched were the Joyless Jenny McCarthy season and the second half of the Rosie's season after O'Donnell left and Mean Girls Nicolle & Whoops took over the table. They improved the table quite a lot 2 years ago when they added Sara, Paula, and Sunny. Now the panel's a trainwreck again with the calm and well-spoken adults leaving and the screaming child remaining. Maybe they should put somebody on the show they've actually tested--and who has received a positive reception--like Ana or Tara. As far as what the ladies said re:silent treatment today, I agree with Sunny that it's something that happens only when your spouse has done something truly horrible. That said, it's not something I've ever done consciously; it's more an unconscious emotional response than anything for me, like Amy Adams described. Sunny said she was silent to her husband for 3 weeks once, lmao. The longest I've gone silent with someone I still want to have contact with is a week and a half at the most. I would cut somebody out of my life altogether if I get to the point I can't bear to speak to them anymore. Speaking of Sunny, loved that she made sure to call the story of the gay couple being bumped off their flight for the sake of a straight couple what it is: discrimination. I hope they sue. I know they could do worse than McCain, too. That won't stop me from celebrating whenever the brat is sent packing, just like Jedidiah. I'd rank both of them (+ Raven Symone) below Elisabeth Hasselbeck. I’d rate Hasselbeck on a par with MM! 9 Link to comment
Popular Post GoldenGirl90 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 (edited) The war on Christmas is fake news, like Sunny said. There is no war on Christmas. The fact that Meghan said she used to work on Fox so she "knows" this is a real thing for some people should tell us all we need to know. And why is Trump talking about this in freakin' July?! So stupid. Edited August 1, 2018 by Alexis2291 33 Link to comment
Popular Post rickhurst3186 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 Ok, here we go. Wednesday morning, 10am cst. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I can get through the next hour without Megs getting under my skin. Damn, 10:06 am and shes already mentioned her tenure at FOX News and literally just said "I'm not an intolerant person" and told Joy "Don't look at me like that Joy". Ugh, i can't do it. Maybe tomorrow. 28 Link to comment
Bronzedog August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Joy says, "Let Sara speak", Sara says, "Thank you", Whoopie interrupts and Sara never gets to speak. Meghan- Just shut the f up!!! Seriously, shut up! 16 Link to comment
Popular Post Apprentice79 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 Megan is insufferable. There has never been a war on Christmas. Once again she is allowed to spew FoxNews rhetoric. Whoopie has had enough of her and is pushing back. She is ridiculous and offensive on so many levels. 31 Link to comment
GoldenGirl90 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said: Whoopie has had enough of her and is pushing back. She is ridiculous and offensive on so many levels. I love how when Meghan, after explaining this so-called "war" on Christmas, asks Whoopi if she thinks there's some cultural war or whatever against Christmas, Whoopi still said no, lol. Edited August 1, 2018 by Alexis2291 20 Link to comment
Popular Post Haleth August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 Ok, Meghan, explain the culture wars to us because we are too stupid to see an overblown "war on Christmas." And she comes equipped with blue cards to list the Dems who called for Franken to quit. Here's the thing (tm Whoopi), Meghan, why haven't the Republicans done likewise with their sexual preditors? 27 Link to comment
Vanderboom August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 16 minutes ago, rickhurst3186 said: Ok, here we go. Wednesday morning, 10am cst. I can do it. I can do it. I can do it. I can get through the next hour without Megs getting under my skin. Damn, 10:06 am and shes already mentioned her tenure at FOX News and literally just said "I'm not an intolerant person" and told Joy "Don't look at me like that Joy". Ugh, i can't do it. Maybe tomorrow. Meghan also mentioned "a friend of hers." Let's hope she gets enough bitchiness out of her system so that she doesn't ruin Sara's send-off tomorrow. Also "siren song" =/= "dog-whistle". Edited August 1, 2018 by Vanderboom 12 Link to comment
Ladyrain August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 9 hours ago, ChicagoCita said: This is my fantasy. When she starts taking over the table, and screeching, and demanding that she alone be allowed to talk... they cut her mic. It would be awesome if the rest of the panel just ignored her and kept on talking, and no one could hear little Meghan except the poor studio audience. Here's my fantasy: Megs says or does something so egregious - either on air or off - that even her lapdogs in the corner offices at The View can't ignore it. Sponsors leave in droves and she is fired. - Considering that she is an uneducated, disrespectful, bitchy motormouth, this hopefully falls within the realm of possibility. 23 Link to comment
Bronzedog August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) Apparently the stick up Meghan's ass is especially tight today. Edited August 1, 2018 by Bronzedog 24 Link to comment
rickhurst3186 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 A side note: Almost every day Megs says this person and that person is a "very close, good friend of mine ". Can anyone here name one person who has publicly said that Meghan is a friend of theirs???? 15 Link to comment
Popular Post GoldenGirl90 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 (edited) That clip of Jim Acosta at the Trump rally, talking about how the crowd boo'd CNN and told them to go home, literally makes me sick to my stomach about the damage Trump has done to this country. Meghan "BOTH SIDES" McCain points out ONE tweet from a reporter with Political who tweeted something negative about Trump supporters but that's just ONE example, as Joy pointed out. I’m glad that Whoopi, to counter what Meghan said about “both sides” needing to do better, read off a tweet from Don Jr. about laughing at CNN getting heckled at the rally. The fish rots from the head down, and Trump is stinking up the whole country with his hate-filled, nonstop rhetoric towards the media. Edited August 1, 2018 by Alexis2291 41 Link to comment
rickhurst3186 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, Ladyrain said: Here's my fantasy: Megs says or does something so egregious - either on air or off - that even her lapdogs in the corner offices at The View can't ignore it. Sponsors leave in droves and she is fired. - Considering that she is an uneducated, disrespectful, bitchy motormouth, this hopefully falls within the realm of possibility. I hate to say this but im guessing that ABC is keeping Megs close so they can get the exclusive interviews of the McCain family if/when John McCain loses his battle. Its business. Please don't misinterpret what i mean. Im in NO WAY wishing ill will to Mr. McCain. 15 Link to comment
Vanderboom August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Omari Hardwick (insert Red-Robin Yummmmm! here) was better at including Sara in the conversation than her actual co-hosts. What did they mute, though? 10 Link to comment
rickhurst3186 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Oops! Sorry, that was me. I muted the TV because i thought Megs was about to interrupt with more on "the War on Christmas "!??? 7 minutes ago, Vanderboom said: Omari Hardwick (insert Red-Robin Yummmmm! here) was better at including Sara in the conversation than her actual co-hosts. What did they mute, though? Oops! Sorry, that was me. I muted the TV because i thought Megs was about to interrupt with more on "the War on Christmas "!??? 5 Link to comment
Popular Post blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 47 minutes ago, Apprentice79 said: Megan is insufferable. There has never been a war on Christmas. Once again she is allowed to spew FoxNews rhetoric. Whoopie has had enough of her and is pushing back. She is ridiculous and offensive on so many levels. 44 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said: I love how when Meghan, after explaining this so-called "war" on Christmas, asks Whoopi if she thinks there's some cultural war or whatever against Christmas, Whoopi still said no, lol. The war on Christmas is just red meat for the right. Nobody is saying Christmas can't be celebrated. It's just non Christmas celebrations need to be respected as well. It's not about excluding things but including things. Such a simple concept that apparently some people can't understand. 27 Link to comment
rickhurst3186 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 51 minutes ago, Alexis2291 said: I love how when Meghan, after explaining this so-called "war" on Christmas, asks Whoopi if she thinks there's some cultural war or whatever against Christmas, Whoopi still said no, lol. I think its called "Megsplaining"!? 5 Link to comment
Apprentice79 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 8 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said: The war on Christmas is just red meat for the right. Nobody is saying Christmas can't be celebrated. It's just non Christmas celebrations need to be respected as well. It's not about excluding things but including things. Such a simple concept that apparently some people can't understand. Exactly. Christians are not persecuted in this country. These people have no idea about true oppression of Christians around the world. I remember seeing a picture of a Catholic Church in Iraq that was re-opened for the first time, after ISIS was defeated in that town, by American troops. It was so heartwarming to see these Iraqi Catholics being able to celebrate mass without any fear of reprisals. It made me tear up and so grateful that I am in a country where I can practice my faith, freely. Why can't these people understand that there is no war on Christmas and Christianity in the United States. Edited August 1, 2018 by Apprentice79 11 Link to comment
Haleth August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Because of they extended Not Hot Topic of the make believe war on Christmas the panel was not able to talk about one of the announced topics-- the 3D printer gun plans on the internet. I was really looking forward to hearing Meghan justify this. 13 Link to comment
Popular Post Wings August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, rickhurst3186 said: A side note: Almost every day Megs says this person and that person is a "very close, good friend of mine ". Can anyone here name one person who has publicly said that Meghan is a friend of theirs???? No. She said Ana was an old good friend; they worked together on her fathers campaign. Two weeks later she questioned if she really was a republican. The woman is an ignorant menace. It isn’t even on here yet and my BP is up! War on Christmas, Jesus. This country is predominantly Christian. I am an atheist with strong spiritual underpinnings and those who share my position are not at war over this holiday! We have trees, exchange gifts and play Jingle Bell rock instead of religious songs. We don’t care what anyone else does on Dec 25th. What is the matter with her?! With everything that is going on these days who gives a fuck about this? Jews don’t care either. Edited August 1, 2018 by Wings 31 Link to comment
TheGreenKnight August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 For people who haven't seen the show, my recommendation is not to bother. Another one of those days Meh-gun made the show entirely unwatchable by making everything about herself, screaming over the rest, and putting words in everyone's mouths to make her deranged comments sound less insane than they are. Anyway, when they were showing the retrospective of the past year, I imagine the only thing Her Majesty McCain was thinking was how upset she was not to have been there when Hillary Clinton was interviewed. 17 Link to comment
blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 7 minutes ago, Wings said: I am an atheist with strong spiritual underpinnings and those who share my position are not at war over this holiday! We have trees, exchange gifts and play Jingle Bell rock instead of religious songs. We don’t care what anyone else does on Dec 25th. This is me as well. Meghan and people like her want everyone to believe what they believe. For some reason anything that is different scares them and makes them feel like their beliefs are being threatened. 16 Link to comment
Apprentice79 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 3 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said: This is me as well. Meghan and people like her want everyone to believe what they believe. For some reason anything that is different scares them and makes them feel like their beliefs are being threatened. They also want to use their religion to treat people who are different from them like less than human without any blowback from society. As soon as you do that, they turn it around on you and accuse you of being intolerant of their religion. Edited August 1, 2018 by Apprentice79 19 Link to comment
Wings August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 War on Christmas sure smacks of another diversion. Why bring it up in July let alone at all. 14 Link to comment
WarnerCL45 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 That "war on Christmas" was started (recently, anyway) by right wing radio. It is BS because non-Christians could not give two hoots if you celebrate or not. 11 Link to comment
Popular Post RHJunkie August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 (edited) The whole Christmas war segment made me want to bang my head against a wall. Whoopi's argument was fair and not that hard to understand yet somehow Meghan completely misinterpreted it. Why? Because she always thinks its about her. Inference is a big reason for her stupidity. Just because an individual may feel more comfortable saying 'Happy Holidays' because it's inclusive and broad (and avoids the risk of assumption), doesn't mean that their personal choice is an attack on your own choice in saying 'Merry Christmas'. Meghan tried to make an argument when her own experiences are pretty much on par with the majority of people who say 'Merry Christmas' - in that not many people care or take offense regardless of whether they celebrate Christmas. There were so many good points to make and none of them made it which just angered me. For one, the term Happy Holidays has been used for so damn long. The term 'holiday' referred to the season of Advent. Feeling threatened by the term now is mainly due to an influx of non-Christian immigration and so the lack of 'Christmas' in your greeting is seen as an attempt to eradicate Christianity from the standard speech of Americans (but that's a reflection of the rights' own insecurities). But besides that, a big reason for the uptake in Happy Holidays in large part has to do with large corporate retail marketing. You think rich retailers who spend money to advertise 'holiday' deals in winter are thinking about how they're inclusiveness is going to give non-Christian people the warm fuzzies? Nah. They see an opportunity to expand their return customer business and increase profits. I'm willing to bet that a number of retailers that spend a ton of money on their inclusive marketing brand strategy are probably owned by Christian people. AND another thing to note, if there's such a war on Christmas, why do I see Christmas trees and Christmas decorations in every mall, government building and corporate office that I go into during that time of year? Why do I hear Christmas carols on loop from November up until December 26th? Why do I see a portion of my local mall space being dedicated to a decorated North Pole and a Santa Claus impersonator? Your eyes are assaulted with images of Christmas everywhere and yet people want to claim a war on Christmas because people use the term 'holiday' and companies put snowflakes on their coffee cups instead of a Santa Clause? Get out of here with your insecure, fear mongering tactics. That is simply what it is. And what Meghan doesn't understand (add it to the long list of things) about this 'culture war' topic is that the women aren't denying that there is a segment of people who feel like their Christianity is being attacked because of the Happy Holidays issue, it's that they don't believe that there is true merit to these concerns. Edited August 1, 2018 by RHJunkie 29 Link to comment
Popular Post RedheadZombie August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 Ok. If I'm forced to endure this ignorant bitch for another year, she needs to be instructed to cease telling Joy to "stop". If not, I encourage every other member of that table to start giving Meghan orders: Stop rolling your eyes Stop huffing and puffing Stop interrupting Stop sipping manically at your mug Stop screeching over everyone Stop lying 29 Link to comment
blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 16 minutes ago, RHJunkie said: And what Meghan doesn't understand (add it to the long list of things) about this 'culture war' topic is that the women aren't denying that there is a segment of people who feel like their Christianity is being attacked because of the Happy Holidays issue, it's that they don't believe that there is no true merit to these concerns. Yes. Just because something is happening doesn't mean her fellow cohosts have to agree with it. Meghan really is a spoiled child. 9 Link to comment
Popular Post GiveMeSpace August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 When Meghan "explained" to Whoopi that until she came to the table, none of them understood the culture war, I lost my mind. I had to turn it off. I detest her. She makes Ann Coulter look like a fuzzy kitten. 26 Link to comment
Cindyluwho August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) The whole "war on "Christmas notion drives me crazy! I celebrate Christmas, but none of my friends and acquaintances who do not are insulted or enraged when I wish them a Merry Christmas. Just like I am not insulted when someone wishes me a Happy Hanukkah. I take it in the spirit in which it is being offered. It is an expression of good will and best wishes. Like Whoopi, if I am greeting a stranger, I am more likely to say Happy Holidays, in case they are offended. Edited to add.....just watched the flashback of the year...Wow! Meghan has gained a lot of weight this past year! Either that or her wardrobe was much more flattering last fall. Edited August 1, 2018 by Cindyluwho 13 Link to comment
Former Nun August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) Guess that war started in the early 50s? Edited August 1, 2018 by Former Nun 18 Link to comment
PradaKitty August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 As much as I really, really hate “ Her Megistry, I will give her a pass on the weight gain- she is dealing with the impending death of her father, is adjusting to being newly married, and apparently believes that everyone at the table hates her. She’s eating ( and drinking) her feelings. Say bye bye to size 14 and hello to size 18-20! 5 Link to comment
Wings August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) Originally, Happy Holidays refered to New Years and Christmas, a general salutation to cover both, thus the plural noun. Edited August 1, 2018 by Wings 21 Link to comment
Popular Post RHJunkie August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 8 minutes ago, blondiec0332 said: Yes. Just because something is happening doesn't mean her fellow cohosts have to agree with it. Meghan really is a spoiled child. She's a poor debater because she has zero ability to assess the nuances of a discussion. Honestly, I don't find her very smart and a big reason for that is because she tries to be something that she isn't. Aside from discussions that have a legal aspect to which Sunny can in fact be a legal expert on the panel, all of the other women understand their chosen lane as one where they're sharing their opinions and they sparingly use facts and statistics to support their positions. Meghan comes hard and strong about everything when her bread and butter is not opinion or expertise, it's regurgitation. You need no more proof than counting the ways she references the people she's talked to, the people she knows, all of her friends, her husband, and being around politicians as a way to substantiate her input in a manner that is intended to come across as more factual and meaningful than the other women. And she's a complete simpleton in the way she uses facts and polling information. Meghan has chosen the lane of 'insider knowledge and expertise' but her sources are anecdotal, not facts and again, she's too much of a simpleton to understand the difference. What better example of privilege do you need than someone who is wholly convinced that the reality they are able to 'choose' for themselves is a representation of truth. 26 Link to comment
Popular Post blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Popular Post Share August 1, 2018 Meghan said the war on Christmas is a siren song to those on the right. She meant dog whistle. 25 Link to comment
blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Meghan said nobody she has said Merry Christmas to has been offended. No they aren't offended. It's the people who want Merry Christmas to be a mandatory saying are the ones who are offended by hearing Happy Holidays. Once again it's the my intolerance isn't be tolerated defense. 20 Link to comment
blondiec0332 August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 38 minutes ago, GiveMeSpace said: When Meghan "explained" to Whoopi that until she came to the table, none of them understood the culture war, I don't know how the rest of the table didn't just slap her. Her condescending attitude is truly obnoxious. 19 Link to comment
Ladyrain August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 2 hours ago, rickhurst3186 said: I hate to say this but im guessing that ABC is keeping Megs close so they can get the exclusive interviews of the McCain family if/when John McCain loses his battle. Its business. Please don't misinterpret what i mean. Im in NO WAY wishing ill will to Mr. McCain. Yikes, that never entered my mind. It does make sense, in some macabre way. And no, I did not take your comment as wishing ill to the Senator. 6 Link to comment
Ladyrain August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 51 minutes ago, Former Nun said: Guess that war started in the early 50s? Ah, the fifties. The repubs favorite decade. Well, the men anyway. I'm sure they would especially appreciate that picture: The little woman (literally) teetering in her housedress and heels to hang the mistletoe to kiss him under. -- I need an Alka Seltzer. ? Meghan refuses to entertain the concept of dissenting view points. How ironic that she's on a show called The View. Edited August 1, 2018 by Ladyrain 18 Link to comment
Wings August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 29 minutes ago, PradaKitty said: As much as I really, really hate “ Her Megistry, I will give her a pass on the weight gain- she is dealing with the impending death of her father, is adjusting to being newly married, and apparently believes that everyone at the table hates her. She’s eating ( and drinking) her feelings. Say bye bye to size 14 and hello to size 18-20! No no. You are a curvy goddess, Meghann is a fat bitch, porker. She lived with. Ben for 10 years before they married, fyi. 6 Link to comment
Gemma Violet August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 37 minutes ago, Wings said: Originally, Happy Holidays refers to New Years and Christmas, a general salutation to cover both, thus the plural noun. That's why I usually use it--so I don't have to say "Merry-Christmas-and-Happy-New-Year." It's just shorter and easier. I agree that Meghan's gotten heavier. I can understand why she once said she didn't like sitting on the end of the table. Not the best position to hide one's waistline. Maybe for the second season, she'll petition to get moved further in, and the new person will be on the end. I think that whole War on Christmas thing specifically started with Bill O'Reilly. I remember him and Jon Stewart arguing back and forth about it. Edited August 1, 2018 by Gemma Violet 4 Link to comment
GiveMeSpace August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 12 minutes ago, Wings said: She lived with. Ben for 10 years before they married, fyi. I did not know this! Interesting. 3 Link to comment
Ladyrain August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Wings said: I am an atheist with strong spiritual underpinnings 1 hour ago, blondiec0332 said: This is me as well. Meghan and people like her want everyone to believe what they believe. For some reason anything that is different scares them and makes them feel like their beliefs are being threatened. Me three. As to the Merry Christmas vs. Happy Holidays, when I was working (with the public) I'd say the former if I knew that's what they celebrated, and would say the latter if I wasn't sure. Meggie should go back to Faux "News" since this freaking 'war on xmas' (I typed that intentionally) is a mainstay of theirs come December. MM is lucky we don't have feel-a-vision since I wanted to reach through the screen and throttle her. Or rip the mic off her. Or stuff a sock in her mouth. Anything anything! to stop the ear-splitting shrieks. 12 Link to comment
Wings August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 2 minutes ago, GiveMeSpace said: I did not know this! Interesting. It seemed the decision to marry was to have her dad be part of it. 5 Link to comment
athousandclowns August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 Why didn't I listen to the warnings? I admire anyone who can sit at that table with her and not loose their minds because it's a toxic atmosphere. Good thing it's just an hour for them and they are well paid. There is no give and take for her just steam rolling over everyone's voices. I know it's OT but I went to her Twitter and I guess it's national girlfriends day and she's lunching with Abby Huntsman that makes me nervous . 7 Link to comment
Former Nun August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, PradaKitty said: Say bye bye to size 14 As if.... Edited August 1, 2018 by Former Nun 6 Link to comment
Haleth August 1, 2018 Share August 1, 2018 1 hour ago, Wings said: s Originally, Happy Holidays refered to New Years and Christmas, a general salutation to cover both, thus the plural noun. That is my take too. It not only includes all people, it includes all holidays. Everyone celebrates NYE, right? 31 minutes ago, Gemma Violet said: I think that whole War on Christmas thing specifically started with Bill O'Reilly. I believe you are correct. Sara also pissed me off with her notion that you should only stick to the current holiday, so she wishes non Christians merry Christmas in Dec and Happy Fast Day (or whatever the hell she said) to Jewish people at the appropriate holiday. I guess she was saying you can only celebrate one holiday (or wish greetings for one holiday) at a time? That makes no sense. Well, Trump got his desired distraction by bringing this issue up since that's all we're talking about today. 10 Link to comment
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