S10.E07: On an Island

[AnnA]

5 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

If that really pissed her off it is really stupid whether or not they are in a relationship at the time.  Is Carole acting as his manager or receptionist that keeps his schedule cause if not, she needs to find a hobby ;).  I would RATHER my boyfriend/husband be called directly than have that go through me.  I have better things to do.

Exactly!  

If it's work related it's none of Carole's business.  It's not like Bethenny asked Adam to escort her to a event. 

Edited May 23, 2018 by AnnA

[Fiero425]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

If that really pissed her off it is really stupid whether or not they are in a relationship at the time.  Is Carole acting as his manager or receptionist that keeps his schedule cause if not, she needs to find a hobby ;).  I would RATHER my boyfriend/husband be called directly than have that go through me.  I have better things to do.

I guess I must be from Carole's generation because I felt the same way! Bethenny definitely should have cleared it with Carole before going to Adam or ask her to relay the request! Now there's this uncomfortable tension between all of them because Bethenny figured this kid should volunteer his time and not to compensate him in any way to make rent! Not all of us have millions to fall back on! ;-)

[Natalie68]

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

Me too! ?

He's MINE!  ha!

[zoeysmom]

58 minutes ago, Ki-in said:

Re: Sonja/Carole/Russ, I think Sonja lied about Russ because Carole LIED about Sonja butt fucking the pirate. Sonja said it hurt her very deeply and Carole ended up apologizing (I think in a letter). 

Carole's comments were beneath contempt and some lame apology years later while still allowing the accusation to stand was unconscionable.  There are some jokes that just go too far. 

[Natalie68]

On 5/21/2018 at 8:39 AM, AnnA said:

I agree.  I also have to admit that as a native New Yorker, I'm blunt.  Perhaps that's why I enjoy Bethenny so much.  

There was a comment about Bethenny being critical of Carole's outfit.  IMHO that is a real nothing burger.   I'd bet that if some people overheard the conversations in my office, they would think we all hated each other but that's far from the truth.   

OK but that still doesn't mean she's "done with her."

I am not a New Yorker but I am also pretty blunt at times.  I think I am a bit softer in my delivery than B but I actually appreciate my blunt, no frills friends.  I have been reviewing how I am with a very good friend of mine (after all this C & B talk) who I am very blunt with at times.   I am going to ask her if I have stepped out of line.  Never my intention but I am not someone who will tell you what you want to hear and cosign things that don't make sense if I care for you.  

Maybe they need to bring on someone who is an equal to B in business and personality and see what happens.

[AnnA]

22 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

I guess I must be from Carole's generation because I felt the same way! Bethenny definitely should have cleared it with Carole before going to Adam or ask her to relay the request! Now there's this uncomfortable tension between all of them because Bethenny figured this kid should volunteer his time and not to compensate him in any way to make rent! Not all of us have millions to fall back on! ;-)

I  don't think Carole's generation had anything to do with it.  It was more like her insecurities and/or her desperate need for a storyline.   I'm older than Carole and think her reaction was childish.

[Natalie68]

On 5/21/2018 at 5:58 PM, AnnA said:

Thank you.    I thought it was something more concrete.    Knowing things are not as they once were is far from WWIII.  Sometimes the hype is misleading. 

 

ETA:   Their Twitter war is for ratings.   I don't follow either of them.  My Twitter use is strictly political.

It certainly is fun for that!

[AnnA]

9 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I am not a New Yorker but I am also pretty blunt at times.  I think I am a bit softer in my delivery than B but I actually appreciate my blunt, no frills friends.  I have been reviewing how I am with a very good friend of mine (after all this C & B talk) who I am very blunt with at times.   I am going to ask her if I have stepped out of line.  Never my intention but I am not someone who will tell you what you want to hear and cosign things that don't make sense if I care for you.  

Maybe they need to bring on someone who is an equal to B in business and personality and see what happens.

That's how I am with my friends and family too.  

Do you think Heather was a match for Bethenny?   I don't know because I didn't pay close attention to her.   She seemed phony to me. 

[Fiero425]

10 minutes ago, AnnA said:

I  don't think Carole's generation had anything to do with it.  It was more like her insecurities and/or her desperate need for a storyline.   I'm older than Carole and think her reaction was childish.

Well I hope it was worth it since their friendship seems to be at an end! The childish angle really should be pointed at Bethenny who thought everyone can be as magnanimous to do charity work without any compensation for as long as she deems it necessary to get the job done! She's all ticked off with Adam for saying "NO!" Screw her! ;-)

[Natalie68]

8 minutes ago, AnnA said:

That's how I am with my friends and family too.  

Do you think Heather was a match for Bethenny?   I don't know because I didn't pay close attention to her.   She seemed phony to me. 

I do think that Heather could have been but she may have been too nice.  I think someone with the same edge could be interesting!  

While complete honesty can be scary, I would rather my friends/family be honest than lie to me or try and sugarcoat things they need to tell me.  

[Fiero425]

3 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

I do think that Heather could have been but she may have been too nice.  I think someone with the same edge could be interesting!  

While complete honesty can be scary, I would rather my friends/family be honest than lie to me or try and sugarcoat things they need to tell me.  

Nice? The same woman who said out of the blue to Aviva "don't tell me nothing MF'r?" Heather is a bully, loud, obnoxious, can be vile, and thinks she has some kind of street cred due to her association with rappers! ;-)

Edited May 23, 2018 by Fiero425

[Natalie68]

8 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Well I hope it was worth it since their friendship seems to be at an end! The childish angle really should be pointed at Bethenny who thought everyone can be as magnanimous to do charity work without any compensation for as long as she deems it necessary to get the job done! She's all ticked off with Adam for saying "NO!" Screw her! ;-)

The way I look at it is B was asking Adam for his services as a professional not as a friend.  It seems sort of childish to ask a gf if you can hire their boyfriend (I know there was no compensation but he wasn't asked to stand there and be pretty).  Plus, if B was good enough to treat them to fabulous vacations on her and Dennis' dime she should be able to call him/text him/send smoke signals about a potential professional engagement.  

[AnnA]

17 minutes ago, Natalie68 said:

It certainly is fun for that!

Yes it is but I recommend regular cable news blackouts and Twitter breaks.   They help me hold on to whatever is left of my sanity.

[Natalie68]

1 minute ago, Fiero425 said:

Nice? The same woman who said out of the blue "don't tell me nothing MF'r?" Heather is a bully, loud, obnoxious, can be vile, and thinks she has some kind of street cred due to her association with rappers! ;-)

HA!  I forgot about that and its one of my favorite scenes! I think she has an edge for sure. I think her general go to personality was fairly easy going until it wasn't.  She isn't perfect but she seemed like she tried to go along and get along for the most part.

[Fiero425]

1 minute ago, Natalie68 said:

The way I look at it is B was asking Adam for his services as a professional not as a friend.  It seems sort of childish to ask a gf if you can hire their boyfriend (I know there was no compensation but he wasn't asked to stand there and be pretty).  Plus, if B was good enough to treat them to fabulous vacations on her and Dennis' dime she should be able to call him/text him/send smoke signals about a potential professional engagement.  

But we don't know his financial situation to be passing judgment on him being unable to oblige her! That's exactly what Bethenny's done to this poor guy; brought him to be victimized as some kind of bad guy for not flying down to PR with her without question! ;-(

[Natalie68]

Just now, Fiero425 said:

But we don't know his financial situation to be passing judgment on him being unable to oblige her! That's exactly what Bethenny's done to this poor guy; brought him to be victimized as some kind of bad guy for not flying down to PR with her without question! ;-(

No we don't.  He may have been able to afford it or not.  I am just talking about the WAY he was asked.  Not the fact he said yay or nay.  I haven't seen enough of what actually happened yet to form an opinion about his ability to do it (I know there was some talk about prior commitments).  We also don't know what would have happened if he said you know, I would love to but I just cannot afford it.  

[AnnA]

19 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

Well I hope it was worth it since their friendship seems to be at an end! The childish angle really should be pointed at Bethenny who thought everyone can be as magnanimous to do charity work without any compensation for as long as she deems it necessary to get the job done! She's all ticked off with Adam for saying "NO!" Screw her! ;-)

If their "friendship" is over because of this nonsense, it wasn't much of a friendship.   

It was a one day trip and tax deductible.

Some people love Bethenny and some people love to hate her.    It's a win-win for her and Bravo.

8 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

But we don't know his financial situation to be passing judgment on him being unable to oblige her! That's exactly what Bethenny's done to this poor guy; brought him to be victimized as some kind of bad guy for not flying down to PR with her without question! ;-(

It was a one day trip to Houston - not Puerto Rico

[Fiero425]

Just now, AnnA said:

If their "friendship" is over because of this nonsense, it wasn't much of a friendship.   

It was a one day trip and tax deductible.

Some people love Bethenny and some people love to hate her.    It's a win-win for her and Bravo.

I really haven't paid that much attention, but it appears Bethenny's the one who made a big deal out of it by ragging on Adam on social media! His name was invoked and Carole went to his defense! That's why it appears to me their friendship is over; it would be for me if I were in Carole's position! There's a reason I've held on and don't look my age! I don't put up with $#!t like that and I would distance myself from someone who did such a thing to me! That's unnecessary drama that didn't have to "go there!" ;-(

[zoeysmom]

5 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

I really haven't paid that much attention, but it appears Bethenny's the one who made a big deal out of it by ragging on Adam on social media! His name was invoked and Carole went to his defense! That's why it appears to me their friendship is over; it would be for me if I were in Carole's position! There's a reason I've held on and don't look my age! I don't put up with $#!t like that and I would distance myself from someone who did such a thing to me! That's unnecessary drama that didn't have to "go there!" ;-(

I think Bethenny has actually taken the high road.  She has explained her side without debasing anyone.  I think Bethenny addressed it surprising well when she said once the words were out of her mouth she wanted to stuff them back in.  Carole claimed they were all operators, so I am at a loss, as to why she is being such a pain.

[AnnA]

13 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

I really haven't paid that much attention, but it appears Bethenny's the one who made a big deal out of it by ragging on Adam on social media! His name was invoked and Carole went to his defense! That's why it appears to me their friendship is over; it would be for me if I were in Carole's position! There's a reason I've held on and don't look my age! I don't put up with $#!t like that and I would distance myself from someone who did such a thing to me! That's unnecessary drama that didn't have to "go there!" ;-(

Actually, I'm pretty sure Carole was the one who made a big deal of it on Twitter. 

[Gem 10]

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

Exactly!  

If it's work related it's none of Carole's business.  It's not like Bethenny asked Adam to escort her to a event. 

Wait just a minute.  Why would Bethenny have to go through Carole to ask Adam to go to Puerto Rico?  They are not married, engaged or what?  They sleep together and that's it and Carole can't even say what kind of relationship they have as she can't even put a label on it.  

[AnnA]

1 minute ago, Gem 10 said:

Wait just a minute.  Why would Bethenny have to go through Carole to ask Adam to go to Puerto Rico?  They are not married, engaged or what?  They sleep together and that's it and Carole can't even say what kind of relationship they have as she can't even put a label on it.  

Because Carole either has the maturity of a high school girl or she desperately needed a storyline.

[Gem 10]

4 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Because Carole either has the maturity of a high school girl or she desperately needed a storyline.

Yes, and you would think at this point in her life she would consider finding a suitable partner.  She can't be Carrie anymore.  I'm sure she has plenty of connections in the city and opportunity to meet someone.

[Fiero425]

4 minutes ago, Gem 10 said:

Yes, and you would think at this point in her life she would consider finding a suitable partner.  She can't be Carrie anymore.  I'm sure she has plenty of connections in the city and opportunity to meet someone.

...and so it continues! Women's empowerment being stepped on and they're supposed to fulfil roles in a timely fashion and stay in their lane! WOW! ;-)

Edited May 23, 2018 by Fiero425

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, Natalie68 said:

Hasn't she been in therapy forever?  I am going to assume Bethenny is a fine parent unless shown otherwise.  She seems to spend a lot of time with her daughter when she has her.   She does seem to have horrible taste in men though.

She was in "reality TV therapy" for years, not real deal with your demons/make a change for the better therapy. 

1 hour ago, AnnA said:

That's how I am with my friends and family too.  

Do you think Heather was a match for Bethenny?   I don't know because I didn't pay close attention to her.   She seemed phony to me. 

Well, Heather is very smart, launched a successful business before she came on the show, is in a stable marriage and has 2 kids and can hold her own. That said, although she can hold her own in a fight, I never got the feeling that she enjoyed it like Bethenny does, so No, Heather is warm blooded, while Bethenny has ice running through her veins.

27 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think Bethenny has actually taken the high road.  She has explained her side without debasing anyone.  I think Bethenny addressed it surprising well when she said once the words were out of her mouth she wanted to stuff them back in.  Carole claimed they were all operators, so I am at a loss, as to why she is being such a pain.

She made Adam sound like a selfish ass only interested in filling his own pockets, so, IMO, she is nowhere near the high road, let alone on it. LOL

[AnnA]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

 

She made Adam sound like a selfish ass only interested in filling his own pockets, so, IMO, she is nowhere near the high road, let alone on it. LOL

Exactly how did she do that?

40 minutes ago, zoeysmom said:

I think Bethenny has actually taken the high road.  She has explained her side without debasing anyone.  I think Bethenny addressed it surprising well when she said once the words were out of her mouth she wanted to stuff them back in.  Carole claimed they were all operators, so I am at a loss, as to why she is being such a pain.

That's what I thought too.

[WireWrap]

3 minutes ago, AnnA said:

Exactly how did she do that?

That's what I thought too.

It was her making sure we knew that he asked about compensation, there was no need to say that on camera, just say he turned her down. 

[SailorGirl]

I hope that when Adam saw the footage from the Puerto Rico trip (assuming he watched it), that he felt about two inches tall for refusing to go with them unless he got paid. What a wanker. 

[Fiero425]

5 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

It was her making sure we knew that he asked about compensation, there was no need to say that on camera, just say he turned her down. 

People are totally ignoring that thinking Bethenny has to be in the right! BS! She made this into a HUGE deal and it may have cost her a friendship! ;-(

[WireWrap]

1 minute ago, SailorGirl said:

I hope that when Adam saw the footage from the Puerto Rico trip (assuming he watched it), that he felt about two inches tall for refusing to go with them unless he got paid. What a wanker. 

Why, if he couldn't afford to lose his pay, then why should he like a "wanker"? Maybe Bethenny needs to realize that the sun does not revolve around her demands or even her timeline. 

[zoeysmom]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

It was her making sure we knew that he asked about compensation, there was no need to say that on camera, just say he turned her down. 

In describing what was causing the divide I do think it was necessary.  Since Bethenny obviously discussed it with Carole previously and Carole just said they were all operators, I am not sure why Carole thinks it is a big deal.  Dorinda Meddler was the one saying Adam's behavior was unacceptable.  It sounded to me as if Adam was given a date and responded that he wanted to go and then after hearing there was no compensation, he developed a work conflict.  It would have been better for Carole just to say he had a work conflict instead of saying how Adam needs to work.  Another cross over argument from Carole.  

[Gem 10]

Had Adam gone, it would have spoken volumes .. Better than getting paid.

[zoeysmom]

8 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

People are totally ignoring that thinking Bethenny has to be in the right! BS! She made this into a HUGE deal and it may have cost her a friendship! ;-(

To me, the issue is Carole has tired of Bethenny and needs a reason to break up.  It is okay Carole lots of us had to break up with Bethenny.  Carol doesn't have to mount a offensive against Bethenny just do what they all do and refuse to film or go to events-just like Bethenny did last year to Ramona.  

[biakbiak]

13 minutes ago, SailorGirl said:

I hope that when Adam saw the footage from the Puerto Rico trip (assuming he watched it), that he felt about two inches tall for refusing to go with them unless he got paid. What a wanker. 

She didn’t ask him to go to PR, she asked him to go to Houston to document the start of her #Thisisacrisis which was before Maria even hit PR.

[Fiero425]

17 minutes ago, biakbiak said:

She didn’t ask him to go to PR, she asked him to go to Houston to document the start of her #Thisisacrisis which was before Maria even hit PR.

It could have still been a hardship!! A trip back and forth from Texas was still an all day thing and maybe there was a scheduling conflict! We'll never know since this is so petty! ;-(

 

Update: It's replaying and Bethenny is talking to Dorinda! She actually said Adam couldn't afford it so that's why he said no! It rubbed her the wrong way with him being the only one asking for "comp!" She didn't need to do that! No wonder Carole's PO'd! ;-)

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fiero425

[BodhiGurl]

Adam could have had petty reasons not to go, and he could have had valid reasons. He could be financially comfortable, or not. I don't understand how he can handle multiple exotic trips, doing charity work in a third world country - for weeks - without pay, but he couldn't handle one day in Houston without "comp". The way Bethenny shared it I got the impression it wasn't like he couldn't afford it. It would seem his family has set him up to pursue his dreams, be they photography, being a chef, or both - as I don't think the average person could live in NYC - roommates or not - and travel frequently -  without some money. I don't get the impression he works a "9-5". I'm guessing part of the allure of Adam for Carole is that he can travel around easily.

 

ETA - watching last week's replay now, and Bethenny mentions "Adam's rich"... so... that does make it seem odd that he wouldn't do it without comp... not that B couldn't be leaving out details but... yeah... odd.

Edited May 24, 2018 by BodhiGurl
additional thought + typos

[oceanview]

On 5/22/2018 at 7:58 PM, zoeysmom said:

We saw the woman who "owned" the boat.  Apparently, she got Tom in the divorce.  The yacht was for sale and being rented.  IIRC it never left port.  

    She can have Tom if she wants him

[SailorGirl]

10 minutes ago, BodhiGurl said:

Adam could have had petty reasons not to go, and he could have had valid reasons. He could be financially comfortable, or not. I don't understand how he can handle multiple exotic trips, doing charity work in a third world country - for weeks - without pay, but he couldn't handle one day in Houston without "comp". The way Bethenny shared it I got the impression it wasn't like he couldn't afford it. It would seem his family has set him up to pursue his dreams, be they photography, being a chef, or both - as I don't think the average person could live in NYC - roommates or not - and travel frequently -  without some money. I don't get the impression he works a "9-5". I'm guessing part of the allure of Adam for Carole is that he can travel around easily.

That is my impression and why I posted what I did. I need to work every day but I still find time for charitable efforts, both through my time, product donations, and money when I can. He could have found a way if he really wanted to . . . if it matters to you, you make it happen. Everyday working people were using their vacation time to go volunteer in Texas. One day was such a hardship for Adam? Maybe he needs to rethink the boho hipster-chef/photographer lifestyle he's trying to cultivate, suck it up, and get a job that pays a steady wage, provides health insurance, benefits, and vacation time, like the majority of people do. 

I know this has been said many times but it bears repeating . . . 
Hate on Bethenny all you want, but she did a lot of hands-on, tangible good for people who were left with literally nothing. . . something no one else, including the agencies designed for that specific purpose, did.

Edited May 24, 2018 by SailorGirl

[AnnA]

Apparently Adam can afford to take off for weeks at a time when Bethenny is paying for not one, not two but three five star vacations.

I wonder who paid for his recent trip to Dubai?  And how could he afford to miss that much work again?

[WhoaWhoKnew]

Sonja looks really pretty at the end when they are reading their characters.

[Keywestclubkid]

Beathney talking head I said every other word to imply puppet but I didn’t say the actual word puppet that I think Carol is. Beathney to Ramona in the next scene at the party “I didn’t mean puppet I meant “wing man” ..... what the what?

Edited May 24, 2018 by Keywestclubkid

[Fiero425]

1 hour ago, Keywestclubkid said:

Bethenny's talking head, "I said every other word to imply puppet, but I didn’t say the actual word puppet that I think Carol is." Bethenny to Ramona in the next scene at the party “I didn’t mean puppet I meant “wing man"!” ..... what the what?

 

I used to be such a fan of B's, but she's showing herself to be so FOS! She plays these mind games with these less than smart women, but Carole was able to hold her off successfully! She's not used to people standing up to her I guess and sounded like an idiot trying that "Jedi" mind trick on her! ;-)

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fiero425

[WireWrap]

2 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

In describing what was causing the divide I do think it was necessary.  Since Bethenny obviously discussed it with Carole previously and Carole just said they were all operators, I am not sure why Carole thinks it is a big deal.  Dorinda Meddler was the one saying Adam's behavior was unacceptable.  It sounded to me as if Adam was given a date and responded that he wanted to go and then after hearing there was no compensation, he developed a work conflict.  It would have been better for Carole just to say he had a work conflict instead of saying how Adam needs to work.  Another cross over argument from Carole.  

In tonight's episode Carole says that she Bethenny never talked about it, Adam told her and she decided to let it go, that it wasn't worth getting upset about. So, No, Bethenny never called Carole about it at any time, she just talked about Adam/Carole behind Carole's back, which is what upset/hurt/confused Carole because it was all getting back to her. She was not upset at Bethenny for not telling her about calling Adam (even though Bethenny claimed she did), she was upset because she feels that Bethenny blamed her for Adam not going. Bethenny tried to play her word games but Carole called her out on it which shocked Bethenny into shuting up!

Edited May 24, 2018 by WireWrap

[Fiero425]

2 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

In tonight's episode Carole says that she Bethenny never talked about it, Adam told her and she decided to let it go, that it wasn't worth getting upset about. So, No, Bethenny never called Carole about it at any time, she just talked about Adam/Carole behind Carole's back, which is what upset/hurt/confused Carole because it was all getting back to her. She was not upset at Bethenny for not telling her about calling Adam (even though Bethenny claimed she did), she was upset because she feels that Bethenny blamed her for Adam not going.

I'm so disappointed in B's behavior! Has she lost her fk'n mind? "Don't call me honey!" What is wrong with her? ;-)

[WireWrap]

4 minutes ago, Fiero425 said:

I'm so disappointed in B's behavior! Has she lost her fk'n mind? "Don't call me honey!" What is wrong with her? ;-)

I'm not surprised or disappointed, this IS who/what Bethenny really is at heart. She can dish it out all day/night long but she can't take it even for a few minutes without getting nasty or playing word games. Like her telling Carole "I didn't say "puppet, I would never use "That" word". Ok, she may not have used that exact word but she what she said was had the exact same meaning. Or, tonight when she argued that "she" didn't call Adam, ok, she had an employee call him to do her bidding, the person made that call representing her, then the it wasn't Sunday. it was Saturday so that Carole couldn't finish saying why Adam couldn't go. Bethenny doesn't want us to know he had a legit reason to not go with her to Huston.

[Fiero425]

41 minutes ago, WireWrap said:

I'm not surprised or disappointed, this IS who/what Bethenny really is at heart. She can dish it out all day/night long but she can't take it even for a few minutes without getting nasty or playing word games. Like her telling Carole "I didn't say "puppet, I would never use "That" word". Ok, she may not have used that exact word but she what she said was had the exact same meaning. Or, tonight when she argued that "she" didn't call Adam, ok, she had an employee call him to do her bidding, the person made that call representing her, then the it wasn't Sunday. it was Saturday so that Carole couldn't finish saying why Adam couldn't go. Bethenny doesn't want us to know he had a legit reason to not go with her to Huston.

She's totally lost credibility concerning divorce from Jason! He had to deal with "that" on a regular basis! People forget how "sick" in the head she had become several years ago; not eating to emaciation and putting on a set of Brynn's PJ's! The Judge told her to stop posting those disgusting shots on social media! This is why it took years; it's Bethenny's insanity we're finally getting! ;-)

Edited May 24, 2018 by Fiero425

[film noire]

6 hours ago, SailorGirl said:

Hate on Bethenny all you want, but she did a lot of hands-on, tangible good for people who were left with literally nothing. . . something no one else, including the agencies designed for that specific purpose, did.

 

That's the impression Frankel loves to give, but it's not true.

Certainly, the government ignored what was happening in PR (and still is) but Frankel was not the only person getting aid in and out of PR.  Mark Cuban, JJ Barea, Pitbull,  celeb chef Ingrid Hoffman, all arranged flights right away (medicine, food, getting cancer patients out of PR)  as well as non celebs -- cardiologist Kiran Patel donated tons of stuff through Nova university in PR,  Eleazar David Meléndez & Kevin Diemar both loaded up planes to PR, and there were non-rich, non-famous poeple who pitched in as well:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/iyw-pilot-takes-his-own-plane-to-puerto-rico-trnd/index.html

I also don't like all the Puerto Ricans stateside who have helped PR being disappeared in Frankel's narrative. The guy at that link I posted above? No fame, no money, he threw up a go fund me to help pay for his plane flying in and out of PR to help his family and friends and community.  My neighbour downstairs has worked tirelessly for friends and family in PR --  they (and lots of people nobody knows about) are  every bit as special and worthy of applause as Bethenny Frankel.

Edited May 24, 2018 by film noire

[zoeysmom]

3 minutes ago, film noire said:

That's the impression Frankel loves to give, but it's not true.

Certainly, the government ignored what was happening in PR (and still is) but Frankel was not the only person getting aid in and out of PR.  Mark Cuban, JJ Barea, Pitbull,  celeb chef Ingrid Hoffman, all arranged flights right away (medicine, food, getting cancer patients out of PR)  as well as non celebs -- cardiologist Kiran Patel donated tons of stuff through Nova university in PR,  Eleazar David Meléndez & Kevin Diemar both loaded up planes to PR, and there were non-rich, non-famous poeple who pitched in as well:

https://www.cnn.com/2017/10/06/us/iyw-pilot-takes-his-own-plane-to-puerto-rico-trnd/index.html

I also don't like all the Puerto Ricans stateside who have helped PR being disappeared in her narrative. The guy at that link I posted above? No fame, no money, he threw up a go fund me to help pay for his plane flying in and out of PR to help his family and friends and community.  My neighbour downstairs has worked tireslessly for friends and family in PR --  they (and lots of people nobody knows about) are  every bit as special and  worthy of applause as Bethenny Frankel.

Bethenny's downfall was trying to take sole credit for all the individual relief efforts.  I am sure every single person she reached out to was appreciative.  I guess when you jump in the middle it seems as if you are the only one working.

[SailorGirl]

8 hours ago, zoeysmom said:

Bethenny's downfall was trying to take sole credit for all the individual relief efforts.  I am sure every single person she reached out to was appreciative.  I guess when you jump in the middle it seems as if you are the only one working.

The woman could cure cancer and people would hate on her. I like her -- always have. There are many other individuals who helped in many ways, but Bethenny put her name and resources behind what she did to make maximum impact.

I think the people who had no walls on their houses cared more about the fact that there was finally someone getting to them with tangible help than helping promote someone's personal agenda. 

Edited May 24, 2018 by SailorGirl

[Happy Camper]

5 hours ago, SailorGirl said:

 

 

 

5 hours ago, SailorGirl said:

The woman could cure cancer and people would hate on her. I like her -- always have. There are many other individuals who helped in many ways, but Bethenny put her name and resources behind what she did to make maximum impact.

I think the people who had no walls on their houses cared more about the fact that there was finally someone getting to them with tangible help than helping promote someone's personal agenda. 

 

Mighty small chance of her curing cancer so I don't get that.

She did a wonderful thing in PR and I am sure that the people who she helped are very appreciative.

She is still a bitch to other people. 

My ex husband would help all of his friends, extended family members and even strangers. To him he was a hero. He would help them out with chores, and even give them money without the expectation of payback. Wow! What a great guy!

As a husband, he was physically and emotionally abusive. He withheld money (I was a stay at home mom) that I needed  to feed our kids, so I had to ask my family for financial help. I did not have a driver's licence and depended on him to help with shopping and errands, and yet he would leave us stranded to help anyone else to pick up items in his pickup truck, move furniture etc. 

I could give many more examples but prefer not to.

Doing great deeds does not necessarily make a person exempt from being imperfect.

Even if my ex husband had cured cancer, I would have known his evil side. (and our kids would have as well)

Edited May 24, 2018 by Happy Camper