S10.E08: Netflix & Pill

[bigskygirl]

5 minutes ago, love2lovebadtv said:

I see how Roseanne has more of a tendency toward depression. But I don't think it's because she married so young or had kids. They live in an economically troubled region, have bad luck and, on top of that, make bad decisions. 

I do remember Roseanne saying if she did not get married young or had kids her life would have been different aka becoming a writer. She did blame Dan for leaving Wellman and not getting the one office job at the meat packing plant.

[mythoughtis]

I had never heard the term Netflix and  Chill until someone explained it on this forum thread. Many people who are of similar age to Roseanne and John Goodman haven’t.  We aren’t all big Facebook, Twitter, or Netflix users. I also didnt see the point of the title but I usually pay little or no attention to episode titles. 

I also thought the stoned scene was awkward on Roseanne’s part. That’s not how she played being high when they found her old pot. Something about her laugh in the scene and in the opening title scene is different than in the original series. It doesn’t come off well and I found the scene unfunny. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by mythoughtis

[Not4Me]

On 5/17/2018 at 12:21 AM, AgentRXS said:

I can't stand the new writers for this reboot. I feel insulted by the lower middle class stereotypes. I feel like the heart and soul of this show is missing and nothing about it makes sense anymore.

 

Truth! I started watching the revival finally and I kept asking myself “Is this supposed to be Roseanne or Good Times?”. No one ever seems to catch a break (credit card gets denied at the hotel, really?) and it’s depressing to watch this compared to the original series.

I think the writing is terrible now and all over the place, largely influenced by Roseanne Barr’s nihilist views on life and reminiscent of the worst ham-fisted characteristics from Norman Lear’s shows.

[DXD526]

Dan being all giddy about the ham was hilarious! It was funny when Roseanne remarked that if he had a ham and a room, what did he need her for?

It was shocking that Dan and Roseanne had to pay not only for their own 45th anniversary dinner, but had to pay for their kids and grand kids, too. Ouch. The kids could have at the very least chipped in. 

DJ finally got a chance to say a few words at the dinner, and was immediately told to STFU. I couldn't believe everyone shut him down like that. Didn't he allude to his marriage maybe being not so solid? So DJ's relationship is on the rocks? Can anyone catch a break on this show?

[mythoughtis]

DJ said his was no picnic. I took that to mean the whole military deployments long distance relationship stuff. 

Edited May 20, 2018 by mythoughtis

[Chaos Theory]

On 5/19/2018 at 8:02 PM, DXD526 said:

 

It was shocking that Dan and Roseanne had to pay not only for their own 45th anniversary dinner, but had to pay for their kids and grand kids, too. Ouch. The kids could have at the very least chipped in. 

Not shocked at all.  There have been times especially early on in my siblings and my adulthood that my parents did pay for things like family dinners.  They still pay for me at times.  Especially when they go to places I simply can’t afford.  They don’t want me eating off the appetizer menus when my brother and sister are eating steak just because I don’t make as money.  It would either be that or going to much less expensive restaurants which would also make me feel bad.  It is just easier for them to pay.    In this case we know Darlene doesn’t have a job and DJ probably doesn’t have one either so it’s either eat at home where Roseanne world  probably end up cooking or out where Dan would probably end up paying.

[bigskygirl]

23 minutes ago, Rap541 said:

Not exactly. At the time, the job I had while getting my teaching certification paid 23000 a year (this was 19 years ago). Starting pay for teachers full time in my state would have been 25,000 a year. The problem was that while schools were whining that they desperately needed teachers, all the schools within reasonable driving distance had a policy of not hiring new teachers full time. So to start, for that first year, I would have dropped to 18-19k and lost my benefits. At the time, I just could not afford the pay cut to take the job that I thought I wanted. The irony is that thru annual raises and sales bonuses, my current wages are well above a tenured teacher's pay.

This is a case though where I have little sympathy for Darlene's hesitation at taking Crystal's good job. People look down on my job all the time (I'm a call center rep at a credit card company) and I just look back from my full bank account, paid for car, and healthy 401k. Did I mention how since I don't take my work home, I have plenty of time for my career as a blogger and novelist? Granted, I don't have children but children just make it more necessary to make compromises about work

You do have a tough job and good for you for doing it. Right now I am dealing with multiple health issues which makes it hard to find and keep a job due to a chronic thyroid condition. I did like the scene where Dan called out Darlene for not wanting to take the job because she felt it was beneath her. She should be thankful Crystal was willing to help her out. And to be honest about it if I had to choose between hiring Darlene or Becky for the job, I would have picked Becky. Darlene reminds me of a younger Roseanne, and I cannot stand Darlene at all.

[Rap541]

Truthfully, I'd choose Darlene over Becky if only because there's been some indicators that Becky is something of a shit show in the workplace - drinking all the time, sleeping with the staff....

I stopped having a snob attitude about jobs when I did the math and realized I made more money than most college professors and all I do is explain basic math TO college professors, doctors, teachers, and businesspeople.

But thats another example of a job Darlene or DJ or even Becky could easily be doing. DJ is a vet.... my employer LOVES to hire vets and has a therapy dog and a "chill room" for people with PTSD. If you're gay? Medical coverage allows pre-existing conditions (handy if you have HIV) and there's all sorts of pride events. There's a gym and a cafeteria and an urgent care ON site.

I don't need Darlene to fall on her knees and thank Crystal but I really wish we'd see her consider the reality of Crystal's job - Crystal raised kids on that job, has a house and is able to retire.

[bigskygirl]

I wonder if Darlene would have gotten the job without Crystal's help. She was fired from her job in Chicago, and she could not get hired at Build a Bear Workshop. I also could not picture her working at a credit card company as a call center rep. I think Becky and DJ would be better at the job than she would be. Becky may have her problems, but she seems to have a better attitude than Darlene has.

[TattleTeeny]

In Chicago, was she fired for a reason or was she downsized? As for mall places like Build-a-Bear, they're probably not looking for experienced 40-year-olds.

[bigskygirl]

8 minutes ago, TattleTeeny said:

In Chicago, was she fired for a reason or was she downsized? As for mall places like Build-a-Bear, they're probably not looking for experienced 40-year-olds.

Sorry I thought she was fired, but she said she lost her job, but she did not give a reason why she lost it. I have known people with college degrees in their 40's with experience in certain  fields who were hired for retail or office jobs until they could find a better paying full time job with benefits. They hired the spouse of the local television station weather person at a local major retail store, and he had a bachelor degree in journalism and/or business.

[TattleTeeny]

Oh, don't be sorry--I just didn't recall if that detail was given in so many words.

I didn't say it doesn't happen--I've seen it a lot lately. But there is also being overqualified and thus rejected, which I've also seen a lot of in recent years. Retail (and other) places often want someone who's just going to do the job, take whatever hours they're told, and be fine with the bare minimum salary and benefits, which often equals young kids, especially in a job that might have high employee turnover.  

[bigskygirl]

I have known places who almost hire anyone who comes in off the street because they are desperate for employees. I was surprise Darlene went to Build a Bear Workshop for a job, but she did not want to be a waitress where she gets better pay, full time hours and benefits compared to retail with low pay, no set hours and hardly any benefits.

[peacheslatour]

Probably because she never thought she would end up waiting tables like her mother. I'm glad she came around to her new reality.

Edited May 21, 2018 by peacheslatour

[qtpye]

4 hours ago, Rap541 said:

Not exactly. At the time, the job I had while getting my teaching certification paid 23000 a year (this was 19 years ago). Starting pay for teachers full time in my state would have been 25,000 a year. The problem was that while schools were whining that they desperately needed teachers, all the schools within reasonable driving distance had a policy of not hiring new teachers full time. So to start, for that first year, I would have dropped to 18-19k and lost my benefits. At the time, I just could not afford the pay cut to take the job that I thought I wanted. The irony is that thru annual raises and sales bonuses, my current wages are well above a tenured teacher's pay.

This is a case though where I have little sympathy for Darlene's hesitation at taking Crystal's good job. People look down on my job all the time (I'm a call center rep at a credit card company) and I just look back from my full bank account, paid for car, and healthy 401k. Did I mention how since I don't take my work home, I have plenty of time for my career as a blogger and novelist? Granted, I don't have children but children just make it more necessary to make compromises about work

Good for you for doing so well in life and understanding the bottom line. It is annoying because the reality is that Darlene is very lucky to have parents that allow her to move back in even with her bratty disrespectful daughter. She is lucky that Crystal was willing to hook her up with a decent job even though she does not have a great attitude for employment in the service industry. Finally, she is lucky that Becky, who has experience in the field, stepped aside because she cares about the well being of her niece and nephew (apparently more so than their biological father). I say all this and I like Darlene.

[TattleTeeny]

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What year is it in this season on Roseanne? I assumed it was the current year, and I could be wrong. If I'm not, who is underwater on their home? Housing prices throughout this country are at all time highs. And the Connors have lived in that house since long before the economic recession. Their equity should be more than fine. Unless, you know, they foolishly refinanced and spent it. Which would be their choice.

As for the rest, I agree, that's hard. But if your goal is economic prosperity for your family, you do what you have to do. I work at a company where we have employees who live in a cheaper state with their families, but who drive each week for hours (sometimes 4-5 hours) to  expensive places like California  where they work, and they pull campers and stay on property during the week. If you want it, you do it. If you don't do it, you can't complain about it. Is it ideal? Nope. Is it even desirable? Not to some. But they are saving big $$$ and they are looking ahead to an early retirement.

 

It's now as evidenced by who on the show is the current POtuS.

Personally, while I am not opposed to the "do what you gotta do" thing, I think that people have every right to complain if stuff like medical care is putting them in the poorhouse. 

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I have known places who almost hire anyone who comes in off the street because they are desperate for employees. I was surprise Darlene went to Build a Bear Workshop for a job, but she did not want to be a waitress where she gets better pay, full time hours and benefits compared to retail with low pay, no set hours and hardly any benefits.

So have I, but the employers where Darlene is are not desperate if people in the area are fighting for jobs. And she went to the bear interview well before she knew about the server job.

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I also think DJ is more of a success than Princess Darlene is because he served his country, and he is raising his daughter while his wife is serving in a dangerous country and may not come back. Becky may be fighting her own demons after Mark's death, but I think she will be fine. Darlene thought she was the big time success story, but in reality, she is not even before losing her job and David leaving her.

I don't follow this--someone can be a success and then have bad shit wreck that later. It's not wrong to feel accomplished if you've accomplished something. We haven't seen her in 20 years, so I don't know that she was strutting around looking down her nose at people because she had a decent job. Also, a bad spouse doesn't make a person a failure.

Edited May 22, 2018 by TattleTeeny

[GoldaVining]

I loved so much Becky's delivery of the lines where she says she didn't want to leave the Mexican restaurant anyway because they were going to be selling filled churros. So deadpan. The look in her eyes! Bwahahahaha! Killed me.

Edited May 22, 2018 by GoldaVining
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[Pallas]

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[Maharincess]

On 5/16/2018 at 6:45 AM, Keywestclubkid said:

so everyone is just overlooking that Roseanne stole medication from people (I mean she had their pill bottles with their names on it)? thats kinda way fucked up so not only now is she a Junkie but a thief I get this is a comedy but come on (and yes i know she stole from rodbells ie food and stuff )

I've only read the first page so please forgive me if this has already been discussed to death. 

I may have missed it but did they actually say that Roseanne stole the pills? You wouldn't believe the fake aches and pains people suddenly suffer from when they find out that I take pain medicine. All of a sudden they have a bad headache, back ache, migraine, whatever and they shyly ask if I have anything for pain. I say yes and give them a Tylenol, if they say they need something stronger, I give them ibuprofen.   Maybe she conned them from people or maybe they just gave them to her because they don't take them. I've also had my pain medicine stolen the day after I refilled both kinds, so they stole a lot of pills from me.  This episode hit home a lot for me. When I had my accident and found out that I would need pain medicine for pretty much the rest of my life, I was terrified of becoming addicted. I got myself a sponsor at NA and she helps keep me in the straight and narrow with them.   It's so easy to become addicted to them and the abusers have made it so damn hard for the people who actually need them to function and have some kind of life. 

I've liked them all but I think this episode is my favorite of the new ones so far.  Watching the Connors again is like pulling out my favorite warm blanket on the first cold day of the year.  The family is so familiar and so comforting to me. Every time my phone rings and I hear the theme song, I smile. It's been my ringtone since I got me first smart phone.  I'm such a dork over this show. 

[TattleTeeny]

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I may have missed it but did they actually say that Roseanne stole the pills? 

What I recall is that she knew people who had legitimately prescribed leftovers from some procedure or another, and she bought them. 

I'm thinking that Darlene might end up being pretty happy over this job, costume and all, once she starts going home with a pocketful of actual cash every day (that's what kept me serving food for a few years even though I vowed never to return at least three times a night!). Plus, if she's got shifts that start later in the day, she'll have time to hunt for writing jobs and/or write for herself. 

Edited May 22, 2018 by TattleTeeny

[joanne3482]

On 5/15/2018 at 8:40 PM, sab85 said:

One detail they really got right- in my mid-sized economically depressed hometown in Illinois, the casino is not a bad employer. They'll give most anybody without violent/theft history a shot and the wages are better than retail. When I was severely underemployed, I almost got a second job there.

 

True, but it bothered me because I worked HR at casino (not in Vegas, small town in WA state) and they typically have ridiculously high turnover. Becky should have been able to get in there at any point in all her years in Lanford. I sat in orientation and the employee relations guy actually said "Look around you, there are at least 10 other people who want to have your job" basically to scare us into behaving.  

 

Given how much of the time Dan and Roseann were working for themselves, they may not have paid into Medicare enough to qualify for Medicare part A. I know the law requires them to pay even as small business owners, but it wouldn't surprise me if, during the lean years, they didn't.  But I thought in a previous episode they did indicate they were on Medicare (maybe the episode where they were counting and splitting pills) and that does not have a $3,000 deductible. Even without a supplement or an advantage plan, the basic deductible on Medicare is only $183 and then 20% of the bill. So yes 20% of the bill would definitely be a problem.  Maybe the writers just opted to call it deductible because that's easier to understand than "coinsurance"? 

[bigskygirl]

3 minutes ago, joanne3482 said:

True, but it bothered me because I worked HR at casino (not in Vegas, small town in WA state) and they typically have ridiculously high turnover. Becky should have been able to get in there at any point in all her years in Lanford. I sat in orientation and the employee relations guy actually said "Look around you, there are at least 10 other people who want to have your job" basically to scare us into behaving.  

 

Given how much of the time Dan and Roseann were working for themselves, they may not have paid into Medicare enough to qualify for Medicare part A. I know the law requires them to pay even as small business owners, but it wouldn't surprise me if, during the lean years, they didn't.  But I thought in a previous episode they did indicate they were on Medicare (maybe the episode where they were counting and splitting pills) and that does not have a $3,000 deductible. Even without a supplement or an advantage plan, the basic deductible on Medicare is only $183 and then 20% of the bill. So yes 20% of the bill would definitely be a problem.  Maybe the writers just opted to call it deductible because that's easier to understand than "coinsurance"? 

I think Dan and Roseanne qualify for Medicare Part A. They would have to pay their premiums every three months in order to continue to get Medicare. Plus there are programs to help people pay their premiums or help cover medications, deductibles and other things Medicare does not cover. Medicare does not cover prescription meds unless you have a supplement or an advantage plan.

[CurlyATX]

My husband had nasal surgery a few years ago and received a GIANT bottle of Oxycotin in liquid form.  This was the bottle that the pharmacy gets and then puts in little bottles.  It was insane.  He hates medication and never used it.  We kept it, just in case, though we never used it and I think we finally found a way to dispose of it.  I can see folks doing that and giving them to Rosanne when she complains.  I think the fact that they are prescription makes people feel they are "safe".  

The credit card hold! That can really kill you.  Once while traveling for work, the hotel decided the hold amount would be the rack rate times the days we were staying.  All of us had maxed out company cards (we couldn't even pay for a coffee).  Even now, I ask how much they will hold.  The guy was a jerk and obviously didn't want the Connors to stay there.  He could have done a lot of things to let them stay.  Recently, I was at a hotel and my company card was maxed out.  I was calling our accounting staff and couldn't get someone during lunch.  The clerk told me he'd just run the amount for $50 and gave me a key.  I had the privilege of being an Elite Silver (eyeroll) status so they figured I wasn't going to skip out. 

Someone mentioned how these service workers act like they own the place and therefore are snooty.  I don't even understand why they do this? I sometimes get this (esp as a woman of color).  I always think to myself that they are PAID to work there- it's not like it's there's.  My points/money are as good as anyone else's.  

I'm not a germaphobe but something about putting the whipped cream INTO/near people's mouths really grosses me out.  YUK!

[BitterApple]

1 hour ago, CurlyATX said:

 

Someone mentioned how these service workers act like they own the place and therefore are snooty.  I don't even understand why they do this? I sometimes get this (esp as a woman of color).  I always think to myself that they are PAID to work there- it's not like it's there's.  My points/money are as good as anyone else's.  

 

My grandparents are pretty well-off and own a nice beach house in a private cul-de-sac. The place next to theirs sold a couple years ago and when I was down there last summer I struck up a conversation with the woman who I assumed was the new owner. The reason I assumed was because she had that uppity air you often see in old-money trust fund babies. Anyways, come to find out she was the freaking nanny! It's like hired help think they're rich by association or something. It's crazy, but I've seen way too many instances across the board to think it isn't some kind of pattern.

[peacheslatour]

My mother was from old money. She taught me to treat everyone exactly as I would wish to be treated. It's usually new money people that act like that.

[chocolatine]

3 hours ago, peacheslatour said:

My mother was from old money. She taught me to treat everyone exactly as I would wish to be treated. It's usually new money people that act like that.

In the case of snooty service workers, it's no money people. A lot of people who don't have any status of their own like to claim status by association.

[Mu Shu]

On 5/17/2018 at 10:37 AM, TattleTeeny said:

People with no money can't always just up and move.

Add to that the people in question are in their sixties .

Shit, I live in a large metro and it’s hard as hell finding work here.  And I’m pretty qualified in my profession.  

[Camera One]

I am catching up on the episodes and I found this one really depressing.  Hopefully, she was just hoarsding pills and aren't taking more than she's supposed to.  I liked the stuff with the sisters and thought it might be interesting to see Becky go to school part-time.  I did like the scene with the guy at the hotel reception.