Spoilers and Speculation: Clink Boom and Cheese Fondue

[WendyCR72]

As far as that picture goes, as Meat Loaf once sang, "Two out of three ain't bad." Brooklyn is growing up so fast!

[jsbt]

The idea of Griffin and Ava makes me feel like he should call an adult.

[sunnyface]

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I'll be very surprised if the Griff/Ava thing doesn't fall flat on it's face.

Griff is nice to look at and MW has enough range to make this more enjoyable to watch than whiny Morgan.  Bonus points for this couple not involving a mother stealing her daughter's beau and barely tangentially  involving the Corinthos.  Sure if the pathetic St. Duke card wasn't played, it would have been fun watching FH and Griff play out.  Anyways, with the amount of screen time that Sonny, Franco and Finn receive, Griff/Ava could even exceed expectations and be relatively great,  but FV would make sure that it will ultimately benefit one of his pets.

[Oracle42]

MW is one of his pets. She's the first - supposed to be short term - actress that they "fell in love with"

 They're trying Griffin because FV has lost most of the other GH males and he doesn't want to stick Ava with her spiritual twin, Sonny. At least Griffin might actually get some character development before this crashes and burns

If they hadn't stupidly killed off AJ and Nik, they'd be trying to cram her into the Q mansion or Spoon Island right now so I guess I'm grateful for small mercies

Edited April 21, 2017 by Oracle42

[TeeVee329]

Also, why does Ava need to be "set on the right path", by a man no less, while her spiritual twin Sonny - who's done everything she's done - is lauded as the town hero?

[dubbel zout]

10 hours ago, TeeVee329 said:

Ava switching Morgan's pills happened MONTHS ago, but NOW she feels overbearing guilty and regretful? 

She's been feeling overbearing guilt and regret for a while now, but the show just has her slink around town and look pained. Way to pick up that thread in a timely fashion!

Edited April 21, 2017 by dubbel zout

[Oracle42]

The thing is, I like MW and if she'd been brought on to, for instance, take over Crimson because Connie was a train wreck - with  Ava's same personality and an actual conflict with Carly, I'd be a fan. - a big one. But I'm not here for a character that was the lynchpin of RC's shitty decision to develop the Jerome family to the detriment of all of the GH story that could have come from reviving the Qs. This show needed another mobster family like it needed a hole in the head. And to add insult to injury, they (RC/Jelly/OLTL writers) are shit at writing for the mob so this was doubly wasteful

Edited April 21, 2017 by Oracle42

[jsbt]

4 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

MW is one of his pets.

Things change with Frank. I think she's in a considerably weaker position now. Maybe not at Denise levels, but bad.

Edited April 21, 2017 by jsbt

[peachmangosteen]

5 minutes ago, jsbt said:

Things change with Frank. 

Right! He will drop people fast as hell. Now if only he'd decide to drop RoHo!

I am vaguely curious about Griffin/Ava. I wanted to like Claudette/Griffin because I'm into bad boyorgirl/good girlorboy pairings (sue me!), but they didn't work because BW sucks at playing 'spicy bad girl.' And also I really hated how MC would play his anger towards Claudette because it was OTT. But anyway, still kinda interested to see Ava/Griffin. I'm pretty sure it'll suck though. And honestly I wish the rumor that the were doing Griffin/Nina would have been true because I feel like that would've been amazing UCG.

[dubbel zout]

2 minutes ago, peachmangosteen said:

And also I really hated how MC would play his anger towards Claudette because it was OTT.

They were no Thorn Birds, that's for sure. I really hated all of the blame Claudette got. Here's an idea, Griffin: Say no.

But I think the main problem is that we were told that Claudette was a spicy bad girl and then when we see her...pfft. She was neither spicy nor bad. Then we get the idiotic multiple-fathers-of-Charlotte stuff, and the story got bogged down in all of that.

[peachmangosteen]

Just now, dubbel zout said:

But I think the main problem is that we were told that Claudette was a spicy bad girl and then when we see her...pfft. She was neither spicy nor bad. Then we get the idiotic multiple-fathers-of-Charlotte stuff, and the story got bogged down in all of that.

The Nelle story has suffered for similar reasons. 

I miss soap bad girls. Why do the current soap writers not know how to write them properly? I mean it's such a classic character!

[Oracle42]

This show is weirdly bland in all aspects - from the gray sets to the lack of grounded drama or consequences or character development . We've bypassed OOC writing at this point - everybody (except Sonny!) is just one big ball of well-intentioned blah.

Edited April 21, 2017 by Oracle42

[TeeVee329]

Claudette was a complete waste of time.  It's clear they "came up with that story" when Frank bumped into Bree Williamson at Whole Foods.

[dubbel zout]

Claudette has served her purpose, however badly. Please, Frank, don't bring her back. And don't create a new character for Bree Williamson. No offense to BW, but there are too many characters the way it is that aren't being written for. 

[TeeVee329]

It just astonishes me that nothing came of Nathan having shot Griffin back in the day, there was no real shakeup between Nathan and Maxie, it was all just so pointless.

[WendyCR72]

Maybe a Writers' Strike would be for the best. It would get Passanante/Altman out, even briefly. If it ends up doing GH in... Well, in terms of the soap legacy, I'd hate to see another casualty in theory, but this show is so bad now that I'm not sure it can dig itself out any longer.

[LexieLily]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Claudette has served her purpose, however badly. Please, Frank, don't bring her back. And don't create a new character for Bree Williamson. No offense to BW, but there are too many characters the way it is that aren't being written for. 

I want it to come out that Valentin killed her, or threatened her into leaving town, (Valentin told that ranger cop to tell Nathan/Maxie Claudette committed suicide) but I agree with you that I don't want her to come back. Just have her sign a statement saying something to that effect and Lulu should have Charlotte and we can all be on our way.

[stlbf]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

Claudette has served her purpose, however badly. Please, Frank, don't bring her back. And don't create a new character for Bree Williamson. No offense to BW, but there are too many characters the way it is that aren't being written for. 

Too many characters?  Really? I think that there really isn't enough on TFGH. This show is becoming too closely related character wise. Everyone is related to the Corinthos, Qs, Spencers(Webbers, Cassadines and Jones included here) and Jeromes. 

Way too many characters are related either by blood or marriage for my taste. Claudette could've been alot better written. I like BW. But I don't understand wtf the writers were thinking. It was obvious that they had absolutely no idea what was going on with the character. None whatsoever. First she was there to cause trouble for Tree/Maxie. Then it was Griffin. Then back to Maxie/Tree. Then they added a secret child and dangerous mystery man. Then secret 9/10 year old girl with multiple daddies. Then Claudette disappears and is claimed to be dead. With Valentin behind it all. With the show then saying that Lulu was the secret girl's biological mother. Even though WE ALL KNOW THAT ISN'T POSSIBLE WITH THE TIMELINE. 

Nell has the same issues. Her backstory is stupid and illogical. Carly and Sonny have pissed off thousands of people with their crimes. And this is the best the show could come up? 

I don't believe that there are too many characters. I just believe that the writers either aren't allowed to give characters more time or else they are morons obsessed with 5/6 characters for whatever reasons. Or a mix of both.

[dubbel zout]

The problems are linked: There are too many characters, and they're interrelated.

[Oracle42]

There's too many characters, the writers don't have clear plans/stories for any of them and most of the characters are mob-related, which is a problem both because that particular well is pretty dry and because these writers are particularly bad at writing for those characters.

I will say that as repulsive as the mob fixation was under Guza there were still Cassadine, Spencer, hospital/Scorpio, and Q (to a lesser degree) stories and they all had a different tone and the characters were able to interact in interesting ways that usually referenced their history together.

Now, all of that was skewed towards Sonny and especially Jason and it was rife with a particular kind of super-gross misogyny but it was more coherent/structured. This is just a boring mess

Edited April 22, 2017 by Oracle42

[movingtargetgal]

I just saw a spoiler that all of Sonny's assets are in Carly's name.  I do recall that when Sonny went to jail for blowing up Morgan, he signed everything over to Carly.  Once she is made aware of this, I can see Carly selling everything down to the last macaroni in his restaurant and the last coffee bean in his warehouse and giving all the profits to charity.  Maybe Sonny would still have his offshore accounts but maybe he signed those over as well.  I would love watch Sonny slinking around Port Charles without (blood)money or power. 

[OnceSane]

Or a house.

[dubbel zout]

I genuinely like the idea of Carly vs. Sonny in a scorched-earth cage match, especially now that neither can use children against the other. (For the most part.) And if movingtargetgal's spoiler is true, it would be great to see Carly take all of Sonny's assets away from him, including his house. She could then deny him a room at the MetroCourt, and Sonny would have to bunk with Jason and Sam. Hee.

But this will never happen, for the usual reasons.

[Ambrosefolly]

1 hour ago, dubbel zout said:

I genuinely like the idea of Carly vs. Sonny in a scorched-earth cage match, especially now that neither can use children against the other. (For the most part.) And if movingtargetgal's spoiler is true, it would be great to see Carly take all of Sonny's assets away from him, including his house. She could then deny him a room at the MetroCourt, and Sonny would have to bunk with Jason and Sam. Hee.

But this will never happen, for the usual reasons.

 

Except that Carly would be the winner. Unless the twist is Monica ends up sueingCarly for her role in covering up AJ's murder and takes everything, I am not interested in Carly is the winner. 

[OnceSane]

2 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I genuinely like the idea of Carly vs. Sonny in a scorched-earth cage match, especially now that neither can use children against the other. (For the most part.) And if movingtargetgal's spoiler is true, it would be great to see Carly take all of Sonny's assets away from him, including his house. She could then deny him a room at the MetroCourt, and Sonny would have to bunk with Jason and Sam. Hee.

 

No.

Sonny can move in with Michael since Michael acts like Sonny's parent anyway.

[Melgaypet]

The less time Michael spends with Sonny the better. Let Sonny get a room at Kelly's and pay for it by scrubbing pots and mopping the floor while being haunted every night by Ruby's ghost.

[TeeVee329]

3 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

I genuinely like the idea of Carly vs. Sonny in a scorched-earth cage match, especially now that neither can use children against the other. (For the most part.) And if movingtargetgal's spoiler is true, it would be great to see Carly take all of Sonny's assets away from him, including his house. She could then deny him a room at the MetroCourt, and Sonny would have to bunk with Jason and Sam. Hee.

But this will never happen, for the usual reasons.

Yup.  Carly and Sonny have declared war on each other plenty of times before this (meanwhile Jelly seems to think this "War of the Roses" approach is novel and interesting with these two characters) and it never amounts to anything.  Also see Michael's feud with his parents.  I'm still bitter to this day he didn't buy their legitimate businesses out from under them.

Edited April 22, 2017 by TeeVee329

[movingtargetgal]

Doesn't Michael still live at the Quartermaine's?  I would love to see Monica throw Sonny out of the house because it is HER house .....Alan gave it to her.  Maybe Sonny would have to become the Quartermaine butler?  

[OnceSane]

18 hours ago, movingtargetgal said:

Doesn't Michael still live at the Quartermaine's?  I would love to see Monica throw Sonny out of the house because it is HER house .....Alan gave it to her.  Maybe Sonny would have to become the Quartermaine butler?  

I think he still has an apartment as well.  I'm not sure because his scenes are always at ELQ, Carly's, or Sonny's house.

[ulkis]

http://www.soapoperadigest.com/videos/exclusive-tracy-sneak-peak/

On one hand: fucking Sonny. Why is he judge? Cause she was mean to his friend Lois 20 years ago? But on the other hand, at least we get some flashbacks.

[dubbel zout]

Wow, OG Edward! I can't wait, even if the idea of Sonny as a judge is one of the most reprehensible things this show has done.

Ugh, JE leaves May 4. The show will be so much worse without her. But she's earned her retirement.

[TeeVee329]

Sonny passing hypocritical judgment on a Quartermaine is as fuckin' meta as this show has ever gotten.  And you know who isn't anywhere in that preview?  Any other Quartermaines - no Ned, no Dillon, no Monica.  But don't worry, they squeezed in Nathan as a court bailiff.

#rageembolism

[Oracle42]

I would sacrifice many goats and virgins to see JE replace FV

[dubbel zout]

I wish she'd at least consult. Whatever she worked on, even if it's one story, would be immeasurably better than what we have now.

[tvgoddess]

On 4/20/2017 at 1:05 PM, TheMediaHo said:

Okay, so does this make Hayden Barnes the first Jewish character on GH since Jake Meyer? If so, that's quite a timespan.

How long was I gone? Hayden's Jewish now?

[dubbel zout]

Her father (Raymond Berlin) is, I guess. Hayden talked about it with Finn, but it wasn't really clear if the family celebrated Jewish holidays on any regular basis. Naomi never mentioned any of it when she was on, and Judaism is passed through the maternal line.

[IWantCandy71]

Someone commented on another board when Naomi first showed up, about Naomi and Rachel being Old Testament Jewish names. But Passover is also celebrated by Christians.

[IWantCandy71]

I don't have a problem with Sonny as judge. I see the logic behind it not being a friend or family member.

Edited April 25, 2017 by IWantCandy71

[ulkis]

From twitter:

Anna makes the moves on Valentin #Vanna #GH

Tracy seeks advice from Edward #GH

Ava and Griffin form an unlikely friendship ? #GH

Carly lawyers up #GH 

Valentin continues to be drawn to Anna #GH

Curtis gives Nina some surprising evidence #GH

Ava tries to use Sonny's secrets to her advantage #GH

Jason makes a shocking discovery about his past #GH

Hayden tries to clear Finn's name #GH

Luke returns 5/4 #GH

Jason returns to CI #GH

Jason figures out the clue is a reference to Jake's birthday #GH

Franco finds another clue in Jake's timeline #GH

Edited April 25, 2017 by ulkis

[dubbel zout]

10 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Jason figures out the clue is a reference to Jake's birthday #GH

Franco finds another clue in Jake's timeline #GH

I DON'T CARE. Good grief, this story is stultifyingly boring. The pacing, as always, is terrible—sure, let's sit on things for a year or more—and the story involves Franco, who should be nowhere near it. Way to go, GH.

[TeeVee329]

55 minutes ago, ulkis said:

Carly lawyers up #GH 

Hmmm who will it be?  Alexis can't practice right now.  Diane is retained by Sonny.  Scotty and Carly aren't exactly BFF, plus he's been representing the Jeromes.

Edited April 25, 2017 by TeeVee329

[dubbel zout]

Scott's the only other lawyer already on the show, and it's not as if conflict of interest has ever mattered. 

Diane mentioned the licensing board to Alexis yesterday, so maybe Alexis will be reinstated by the time Carly needs a lawyer. Or maybe they'll bring back Nora?

Edited April 25, 2017 by dubbel zout

[TeeVee329]

I could see Scotty representing Carly as a way to stick it to Sonny.

Oh gawd, that would not be fun for Nora.

Edited April 25, 2017 by TeeVee329

[TheMediaHo]

2 hours ago, ulkis said:

Luke returns 5/4 #GH

Well, isn't that a coinkidink, considering that's JE's last day. #rageembolism (TM someone else)

[OnceSane]

1 hour ago, TeeVee329 said:

I could see Scotty representing Carly as a way to stick it to Sonny.

Oh gawd, that would not be fun for Nora.

That would not be fun for me. #OLTLisoverFrank!Deal.With.It

[TeeVee329]

Oh I assume we'll be seeing her again in "six months" when the custody stuff gets received.

[dubbel zout]

It was sort of WTF that Nora showed up as Valentin's attorney, but at least she stayed in that lane. No cutesy bump-ins with Finn or Franco.

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, ulkis said:

Luke returns 5/4 #GH
 

I'm currently hissing at my computer screen.

[TeeVee329]

There was some winkiness with Nora and Olivia J., but I'll allow it because Tonja.

[dubbel zout]

They were both in the same place legitimately. (Plus, Tonja). I'd be annoyed if Nora ran into Finn or Franco at Kelly's, for instance, as it would be way too obvious a setup.