BkWurm1 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Nice to know Vandal Savage at least isn't racist. Neither was his wife. Unless Tuna Casserole is passive aggressive for get out of my neighborhood. Link to comment
looptab March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I liked the Sara/Stein scenes, but I don't know whether I love or hate the way Sara keeps bragging about all the ways she can kill someone. Kendra is growing on me. Jax not so much :/ Crump's teeth and the way he speaks in general are soo distracting. 1 Link to comment
FurryFury March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Nice to know Vandal Savage at least isn't racist. Neither was his wife. Unless Tuna Casserole is passive aggressive for get out of my neighborhood. Why should he be? He's technically from Ancient Egypt. He shouldn't even be white, and definitely shouldn't be racist. 5 Link to comment
tv echo March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Some spoilery tidbits about LoT, Flash, AoS and Gotham... Matt's Inside Line: Scoop on Blindspot, NCIS, Once, S.H.I.E.L.D., Bates, Murder, Walking Dead, Americans and MoreBy Matt Webb Mitovich / March 10 2016, 10:00 AM PSThttp://tvline.com/2016/03/10/walking-dead-season-6-daryl-carol-spoilers/ Link to comment
bijoux March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Did the introduce Sara's 50s love interest? Link to comment
tv echo March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) The Atom got a wall mural (courtesy of Ford) - this is what happens when The CW doesn't have to pay... BRANDON ROUTH ON "LEGENDS OF TOMORROW" EASTER EGGS IN AWESOME NEW ATOM MURALPosted: 12 hours agohttp://www.comicbookresources.com/article/brandon-routh-on-legends-of-tomorrow-easter-eggs-in-awesome-new-atom-mural Edited March 11, 2016 by tv echo 1 Link to comment
FurryFury March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Did the introduce Sara's 50s love interest? Yes, Lindsey something, a nurse. She was cute and relatable (despite being straight, I really feel for closeted characters in historical settings), but nothing special. She was pretty much there for Sara to start healing from her death PTSD. Link to comment
looptab March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Did the introduce Sara's 50s love interest? Yes. I suggest you watch those scenes if you don't want to watch the whole episode. It was a nice insight into Sara's character. Link to comment
bijoux March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Yes, Lindsey something, a nurse. She was cute and relatable (despite being straight, I really feel for closeted characters in historical settings), but nothing special. She was pretty much there for Sara to start healing from her death PTSD. Yes. I suggest you watch those scenes if you don't want to watch the whole episode. It was a nice insight into Sara's character. Thanks. I'll check whether they're on Youtube. Link to comment
jaytee1812 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I thought the scene with Stein, Sara and Jax with Stein reminiscing about what an idyllic time it was came over really badly. It was like Sara was trying to say she has it so much worse than Jax, being a bisexual woman. I couldn't work out whether she was ignorant or she has to have suffered more than everyone else. Link to comment
FurryFury March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) It was like Sara was trying to say she has it so much worse than Jax, being a bisexual woman I can't agree with that. She simply added a few more minorities after he argued that being black in the 50s was not that awesome. It made sense and fit her established character. Edited March 11, 2016 by FurryFury 4 Link to comment
Delphi March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I see what you're saying, but it's not as of being gay in the 50s was all that great. Easier, sure because you can hide your gay, but interracial marriage in some places was at least a concept (one that was frowned upon) but there is absolutely no way Sara and Nyssa could have played house the way Kendra and Ray were. Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 That's bad. Reaching Arrow lows now. Link to comment
jaytee1812 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I see what you're saying, but it's not as of being gay in the 50s was all that great. Easier, sure because you can hide your gay, but interracial marriage in some places was at least a concept (one that was frowned upon) but there is absolutely no way Sara and Nyssa could have played house the way Kendra and Ray were. Sara and Nyssa probably could, they would get away with being 'spinsters' who shared a house. Two men, not a chance. I think the interracial couple dynamic would've been more interesting if they'd chosen Jax and Sara, mostly because a white man may get some shit but he's still a white man. A black man with a white woman in the 50s, it may have been better in the north but I think they would've still had much more crap to deal with. Obviously though there's no larger story to tie into with Jax and Sara, like there is with Ray and Kendra. Link to comment
bijoux March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Did Sara have any scenes with the nurse after their drinks in the cafeteria? That's the last one I found and after seeing demonic vampire birds (???) I don't know that I want to watch the rest of the episode. Sara's hair when she arrived at the hospital was really off. I'm not saying nobody wore it like that in 1958, but that's not how you would walk in trying to blend in as a nurse in that town in that era. I will say that Jax has perfect skin. There isn't a pore to be seen. Link to comment
wonderwall March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 This is the problem with spinning off a show from 2 other shows. It limits total potential viewers to people who watch both shows. The Flash only succeeded because that hero is the more popular hero of the bunch and LoT doesn't have a character of that calibre to bring in new viewers. 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 This is the problem with spinning off a show from 2 other shows. It limits total potential viewers to people who watch both shows. The Flash only succeeded because that hero is the more popular hero of the bunch and LoT doesn't have a character of that calibre to bring in new viewers. I don't think you need to watch either of the other shows, but I don't think they've communicated that to the viewing public. 1 Link to comment
way2interested March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 This is the problem with spinning off a show from 2 other shows. It limits total potential viewers to people who watch both shows. The Flash only succeeded because that hero is the more popular hero of the bunch and LoT doesn't have a character of that calibre to bring in new viewers. That's exactly what I was thinking once they greeenlit this show. They are obviously putting a lot of effort into production and promotion, but I honestly wonder how successful it was going to be? It's a fine show, but did they think it was going to get Flash's ratings? It's still better ratings-wise than TVD for that night, but I kind of cringe at the idea that they may have been expecting more. Hopefully it levels back up to Arrow's ratings by the end of the season, but I'm now wondering if we're going to get a Barry sighting real quick for the season finale. 1 Link to comment
looptab March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Did Sara have any scenes with the nurse after their drinks in the cafeteria? That's the last one I found and after seeing demonic vampire birds (???) I don't know that I want to watch the rest of the episode. Sara's hair when she arrived at the hospital was really off. I'm not saying nobody wore it like that in 1958, but that's not how you would walk in trying to blend in as a nurse in that town in that era. I will say that Jax has perfect skin. There isn't a pore to be seen. Yes, there are. I say hang on, and ignore the demonic birds - it's what I did :) I'm thinking the way they introduced LoT by using the two mother shows also penalized it, because some people seem to be really resenting it. Link to comment
Morrigan2575 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) Edited because Velocity beat me...man i need new glasses :D I wonder if the CW is second guessing airing LoT episode while Arrow/Flash are on hiatus? Edited March 11, 2016 by Morrigan2575 Link to comment
quarks March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 That's bad. Reaching Arrow lows now. If that isn't adjusted this afternoon, that's dipped below Arrow's lowest number for total viewers. On the other hand, it's still better than how The Vampire Diaries was performing in that same time spot back in the fall, and even after a controversial episode, The 100 also still managed to outperform The Originals. And of course Thursday is Shonda Night. I know all of us on this board have been skeptical about the actual impact of Shonda Night on CW shows, but Reign's producers complained about the effect. Link to comment
FurryFury March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) That's so disappointing :( And of course Thursday is Shonda Night. I know all of us on this board have been skeptical about the actual impact of Shonda Night on CW shows, but Reign's producers complained about the effect. Shonda shows are really dropping this year (except for Grey's which is unsinkable or something). It's something like 1.6 and 1.4 now, not that big of a competition. And really, Reign is a soap, while LoT and The 100 are action/sci-fi. Two very different demos. Edited March 11, 2016 by FurryFury Link to comment
quarks March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 That's so disappointing :( Shonda shows are really dropping this year (except for Grey's which is unsinkable or something). It's something like 1.6 and 1.4 now, not that big of a competition. And really, Reign is a soap, while LoT and The 100 are action/sci-fi. Two very different demos. Reign is also not very good. Still, the argument was made last season, so it might be made again this season. Link to comment
bijoux March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Yes, there are. I say hang on, and ignore the demonic birds - it's what I did :) I'm just looking for Youtube clips, I'm not really interested in the full episode. But I read the recap here and can someone riddle me this: why did no one think of Sara and Kendra switching parts? Kendra would have raised less attention as a nurse than part of an interracial couple. The nurse could have been a repressed neighbor instead, and Kendra's big scene with Savage was in the hospital anyhow. Is it simple laziness due to the fact that Kendra and Ray are a couple now? Link to comment
tarotx March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I wondered what would happen with the ratings this week what with the advertising of 1950's monster movie and of course with Heatwave's potentially being killed off. Oh well I'm still really enjoying the show though something needs to be done with Savage. Link to comment
FurryFury March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 But I read the recap here and can someone riddle me this: why did no one think of Sara and Kendra switching parts? Kendra would have raised less attention as a nurse than part of an interracial couple. I had the same idea. They really should have incorporated Sara's science skills (mentioned on s2 of Arrow) to explain why they've decided for her to play the nurse. . Is it simple laziness due to the fact that Kendra and Ray are a couple now? Yeah, this is what I'm thinking. 1 Link to comment
bijoux March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I had the same idea. They really should have incorporated Sara's science skills (mentioned on s2 of Arrow) to explain why they've decided for her to play the nurse. Yeah, Sara's training with Ivo being helpful would have made sense, but from what I saw, she was there to pull files. Link to comment
strikera0 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) Reign is also not very good. Still, the argument was made last season, so it might be made again this season. IMO, LOT isn't very good either. I watch it because I am a Sara fan, but the show as a whole is very frustating. Edited March 11, 2016 by strikera0 2 Link to comment
NumberCruncher March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I seriously tried with LoT but I just couldn't do it. I was never a huge fan of any of the spinoff characters in the first place but the few episodes I tried to watch bored me to death. I'm not surprised the viewership is waning, TBH. 3 Link to comment
Chaser March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Does anyone know how their Live + 7 ratings stack up? Link to comment
Velocity23 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) all of these shows renewedđ https://twitter.com/JarettSays/status/708366902989422592 Edited March 11, 2016 by Velocity23 5 Link to comment
wingster55 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 This is the problem with spinning off a show from 2 other shows. It limits total potential viewers to people who watch both shows. The Flash only succeeded because that hero is the more popular hero of the bunch and LoT doesn't have a character of that calibre to bring in new viewers. Is that the only reason? All renewed, how about that. Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Is that the only reason? What's your theory for the success? Link to comment
Sakura12 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 There are more scenes of Sara and the nurse after the drinks. The other 2 are when they kiss. There is a nice one with Sara and Stein were Sara talks about what's like for her since coming back from the dead as well. I didn't mind Sara mentioning all the other things that make the 50's not so nice for anyone other than straight white men. She wasn't comparing herself to Jax or Kendra, she was listing off all the other people that would not find 50's so great. 2 Link to comment
wingster55 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 For the sustained success? Decent writing a good portion of the time, and fully embracing the comic book of it all. 1 Link to comment
jaytee1812 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I think The Flash has the strongest cast, the only weak link is Danielle Panabaker. Arrow and LoT really only have 2 or 3 strong actors. Arrow's weakest actor is the title character. I didn't mind Sara mentioning all the other things that make the 50's not so nice for anyone other than straight white men. She wasn't comparing herself to Jax or Kendra, she was listing off all the other people that would not find 50's so great. Then why just talk about herself, she pretty much ignored how tough it would be for Jax. I'd say Jax was lucky he was in a time that black men could be kidnapped and forced to do what white men want, but I guess on this show that time is 2016. Link to comment
wonderwall March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 For the sustained success? Decent writing a good portion of the time, and fully embracing the comic book of it all. I'm not really talking about sustained success, I'm talking about success on arrival. Flash's premier had how many viewers over 4.5m? And its ratings were probably the best the network has ever had for a premier? That success was because Flash was a better known hero, and one more people knew about. LoT had what... Half of that? Flash had a higher jumping off point. 2 Link to comment
lemotomato March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) Flash is broadly successful because it's a live action Saturday morning cartoon. And who doesn't like cartoons? (Besides me) Edited March 11, 2016 by lemotomato 6 Link to comment
Trini March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 What's your theory for the success? Telepathic Gorilla. Also daylight. Cisco? 4 Link to comment
apinknightmare March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Flash is broadly successful because it's a live action Saturday morning cartoon. And who doesn't like cartoons? (Besides me) Agreed. I don't care about a single one of the characters, Barry is a moron, and a lot of it is completely nonsensical/ridiculous, but it is fun to watch. 7 Link to comment
wingster55 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 It's more substantial and layered than most seem to think here. Link to comment
Velocity23 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 LOT is gonna get their budget cut massively. 1 Link to comment
Trini March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Telepathic Gorilla. Also daylight. Cisco? To expand on this: 1) it embraces the fantastical elements from its comic book origins; 2) it's lighter in tone - literally; 3) and it has more relatable characters, with Cisco in particular being an audience surrogate. Link to comment
dtissagirl March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 Also, there's that dude on Big Bang Theory wearing a Flash t-shirt one week, and a full Flash costume the next week, rinse repeat. It's an incredibly beloved character that's more ingrained into non-geek popular culture than every other character on the 3 shows put together. 11 Link to comment
SonofaBiscuit March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 I think that The Flash has the advantage that they are only in their second season. Arrow's first two seasons were pretty decent, if I remember correctly. Season 3 is where I recall everything turning to shit. Also, The Flash hasn't reached the point where they are focusing more on Barry in a relationship with whomever his endgame partner is going to be. I imagine that's coming next season. It's a happy, fun show now, but oh, once the relationship happens, something tells me that we'll all be hearing about how romance is absolutely ruining! The Flash. The show is no longer fun anymore, there's too much angst, Barry's girlfriend is awful, blah, blah, blah. 7 Link to comment
AyChihuahua March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 LOT is gonna get their budget cut massively. Ooh, maybe no Cane Toad/BR next season! Although he's not the only reason I'm not watching now...I find the Jax and Kendra actors to be terrible. Yes, I know some people are fine with them or think they're improving; I think they're terrible, and I will hate the Cane Toad until the day I die. 2 Link to comment
looptab March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) The Flash hasn't reached the point where they are focusing more on Barry in a relationship with whomever his endgame partner is going to be. I imagine that's coming next season. It's a happy, fun show now, but oh, once the relationship happens, something tells me that we'll all be hearing about how romance is absolutely ruining! The Flash. The show is no longer fun anymore, there's too much angst, Barry's girlfriend is awful, blah, blah, blah. Something tells me that that will be Arrow's fault, too. And Arrow's shippers'. Edited March 11, 2016 by looptab 2 Link to comment
Sakura12 March 11, 2016 Share March 11, 2016 (edited) Then why just talk about herself, she pretty much ignored how tough it would be for Jax. She wasn't talking just about herself. She was talking about LGBT community and women in general. Sara has always been about not wanting women to be controlled by men. How was she ignoring Jax? He pointed that out because Stein was reminiscing about how great the time was. They both talked about how it wasn't. No one was ignoring anyone's plight. Edited March 11, 2016 by Sakura12 4 Link to comment
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