S07.E03: TOO SHADY

[Jeanne222]

So in last nights episode Mac looked really angry and Ryan looked loopy to me!

He seemed a bit sketchy and his eyes has that 'using again' look!

Ryan's parents continue to dote on him.  What a couple of enablers they are!

Why is Farrah going to Europe for a month?

[gunderda]

On 12/7/2017 at 0:06 AM, Ashand11 said:

Why on earth does everyone think Maci is hung up on Ryan? Doesnt at all seem like that to me

I don't see it either. Or that Ryan is hung up on Maci.  I think they will obviously each care for each other in some sort of way because of Bentley but it's very obvious they have moved on. I really liked when they were getting along.  I think it's been said that Maci doesn't even talk to or about Ryan unless they're filming and vice versa. 

Chelsea had to do the same thing and I think she finally got tired of it and told MTV she wasn't going to talk about Adam anymore. 

On 12/10/2017 at 7:47 AM, Jeanne222 said:

Anybody notice Michael's humble abode?  Packed with Farrah's black bag's?

I thought Farrah was one rich bitch!  I thought Michael had money!

Evidently Farrah did not upgrade Michael's living conditions with her porn money!

Farrah seems to be fairly close to her dad now but I doubt so close that she would buy him a house.  She's not sharing that money with her parents! I think she's got too much resentment for that. 

[AirQuotes]

I thought Michael is Farrah's manager.  No?  If he is then he would naturally be sharing in Farrah's earnings.  Her success would also be his success.

[ginger90]

11 minutes ago, AirQuotes said:

I thought Michael is Farrah's manager.  No?  

 

d naturally be sharing in Farrah's earnings.  Her success would also be his success.

Just using google so.......the last manager I found for Farrah was 

Gina Rodriguez of GR Media. 

(2013)

[gunderda]

I'm pretty sure her parents are used as free labor. 

[Jeanne222]

On 12/11/2017 at 1:38 PM, ghoulina said:

Except Bentley doesn't look all sad and vacant, like Maryssa does. I'm really not trying to come off as a Maci defender here, but I just don't know that I think Bentley is slaving around over there. He probably does help out with the other kids to some degree. It may be more when filming is going on. He may really enjoy it. He seems to love those kids, and he also seems pretty happy and well adjusted most of the time. So I'm not quite sure he's being taken advantage of. 

OMG I so agree.  He seems very happy there with his Family.  Since we saw Ryan driving while stoned we have charged Maci through social media with being a good cartaker of Bentley.  We know Ryan is an Addict.  We know Jen is an enabler.  I personally hope Maci hangs tough and raises her son to be a fine man in spite of his paternal side.

[GreatKazu]

2 hours ago, Jeanne222 said:

OMG I so agree.  He seems very happy there with his Family.  Since we saw Ryan driving while stoned we have charged Maci through social media with being a good cartaker of Bentley.  We know Ryan is an Addict.  We know Jen is an enabler.  I personally hope Maci hangs tough and raises her son to be a fine man in spite of his paternal side.

And Maci is a lush. 

[CandysWrapRoom]

On 12/6/2017 at 2:45 PM, Isthisok said:

Farrah: First off, I don’t think the rubber butthole empire can bankroll a Beverly Hills home. There’s a reason you were looking at a cottage... no need to act like you’re suddenly into downsizing and living a shabby chic life in a 2-roomer with your horse and Mowgli. There’s no shame in living within your means, despite what every other loser on this show believes. Also, that realtor you just met offered to raise your child if you die. Why can’t you interact with anybody normal? It’s like she’s subscribed to an Angie’s List for vendors with mood disorders. 

I would watch a spin-off about Debz OG and her Jigsaw face morphing into a Toddlers & Tiaras contestant. Get that bitch a flipper too! 

How did the wedding of her dreams to this doctor go from Fiji to an aquarium? 

 

Maci: In a Sophie’s Choice between Maci and Mackenzie, I’d send them both to the gas line. Poor Bentley. And poor Jen, who seems sober and cognizant enough to know Ryan is a fuck-up. It has to be hard keeping the peace so you can see your grandchild, especially now that the addict son has married a shit-stirring golddigger. On some level, I even feel sorry for Ryan. I think he was drug-addled his entire relationship with Mackenzie and is probably having a lot of regrets. He just doesn’t seem to be someone that wants to operate within the parameters of a normal adult relationship. I think he Swiss-cheesed his brain and is permanently a 19-year-old loser. But I am living for the thought that loveable drunk Grandpa might spill some tea on St Maci of Budlight. Christmas coming early, y’all!

 

Amber: I was sexually aroused by the look on Matt’s face when he was thrown out. What’s the timeline here? Was he in Vegas during this “vacation” he returned from? Just trying to figure out when he moved to Vegas and shacked up with the Outback waitress. Was this before or after he had his drug relapse? He acted so offended by her weight loss comment, but this had to have been shortly after the relapse, so no need to be so indignant. I also noticed all the holes they punched in the walls of that rental they pretended to buy. How did the Mamber mobile end up back in Indiana for sale? I have a lot of questions about this white trash saga. 

 

Caitlin and Tyler: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING YOUR WHOLE SEGMENT WAS A CROCKPOT OF HOT ASS MESS QUIT HAVING KIDS QUIT BUYING ANIMALS YOU ARE BOTH SUICIDAL AND SELF-MEDICATING YOU HAVE NO JOBS AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOURSELVES ON THE INCOME OF TWO PAGES WORTH OF RAGGEDY ASS HOME-EC BABY CLOTHES JESUS GOD. 

I have had a crappy, crappy week and am here catching up and this post made me cackle with glee.  Thanks!

Ty doesn't even want to participate in the conception of his future child.  I'd take a hard pass on any man speaking to me like that about sharing the DISHES, much less the conception of a love child.  

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎7‎/‎2017 at 7:27 AM, Tatum said:

I have never seen any indication Ryan is hung up on Maci.

I think his indignation at her is not disguised passion but rather getting all up in arms about her faults lets him ignore his own. It's just like when TM2 Jenelle throws her shrieking fits about how she just wants to see her son that evil Barb has kept away from her- and then you find out Jenelle has skipped her last three visitations with her son and wanted to see him on an off time that was at her convenience, when Barb already had plans. Her self righteous temper tantrums are purely for the cameras. That's how I see Ryan.

 

As far as whether Maci still wants to be with Ryan, I think it's more complicated than her just being hung up on her ex. I think Maci is emotionally stunted, thanks to this show, and she's not so much in love with him as she is fiercely competitive with every SO Ryan has had because Ryan has somehow become the barometer of her own self worth. When Ryan gives her attention, Maci feels good about herself. When Ryan acts indifferent to her, it annoys her. It's not about Ryan at all- Ryan is a vehicle for Maci's self esteem, in a way that the other guys in her life have not been. As to why him, and not anyone else (or herself, for that matter), I think Maci is very immature and as much as she tries to project a self confident woman, she is very insecure and always has been.

I see it as the exact opposite, actually.   I forget what year the Being Maci special was, but on that special Ryan was following her around like a little puppy dog.  I was embarrassed for him.  Maci was clearly enjoying the chase but it was obvious she wasn't serious about anything with him.  She definitely wasn't still in love with him.  I don't get why people keep insisting she's hung up on him, I don't see that AT ALL.   I think she's sad for him and frustrated by him but if he came crawling back to her she wouldn't give him the time of day.   Couldn't say the same if the roles were reversed, though.  I think that's part of the reason Mac hates her so much (Maci was actually quite complimentary of Mac and supportive of their relationship before Mac busted out that absurd letter.)  I was actually embarrassed for Larry when he was trying to say Maci was still in love with Ryan.  He wishes.  I think people just say Maci is hung up on him out of general dislike for her and perceived overprotectiveness of Bentley.  

[Tatum]

18 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I see it as the exact opposite, actually.   I forget what year the Being Maci special was, but on that special Ryan was following her around like a little puppy dog.  I was embarrassed for him.  Maci was clearly enjoying the chase but it was obvious she wasn't serious about anything with him.  She definitely wasn't still in love with him.  I don't get why people keep insisting she's hung up on him, I don't see that AT ALL.   I think she's sad for him and frustrated by him but if he came crawling back to her she wouldn't give him the time of day.   Couldn't say the same if the roles were reversed, though.  I think that's part of the reason Mac hates her so much (Maci was actually quite complimentary of Mac and supportive of their relationship before Mac busted out that absurd letter.)  I was actually embarrassed for Larry when he was trying to say Maci was still in love with Ryan.  He wishes.  I think people just say Maci is hung up on him out of general dislike for her and perceived overprotectiveness of Bentley.  

I saw that episode, and to me, my impression was Ryan was trying to get laid. Maci said as much when she told her friends that Ryan should call her and invite her out to dinner and not try and get her to come home with him when they've been drinking, and Ryan had a girlfriend. Maci did end up going to lunch with him during that episode and she kept saying things like, isn't it cool that Mom and Dad are hanging out again? to Bentley. But that was filmed years ago- before Taylor.  That was filmed in 2013, I think. After Ryan and Dalis broke up (shortly after the Being Maci special was filmed), Dalis did say Ryan had cheated on her with Maci numerous times. Maci kind of hinted at that during a reunion special filmed around that time.  

 

ETA: To your other point, about how she wouldn't give him the time of day now, I happen to agree with, but I think she would take IMMENSE satisfaction in rejecting him.

 

I do disagree with you though that Ryan would be interested in reconciling with Maci. I am sure Ryan would be down for a hookup here and there, but I don't think Ryan has it in him to be interested in a relationship with anyone.  His current relationship status is one of convenience, I am pretty sure, and if Mack does get knocked up, Ryan will be out of there. Ryan bails as soon as a girlfriend has any expectations or demands of him.

Edited December 14, 2017 by Tatum

[lezlers]

On ‎12‎/‎11‎/‎2017 at 11:38 AM, ghoulina said:

Except Bentley doesn't look all sad and vacant, like Maryssa does. I'm really not trying to come off as a Maci defender here, but I just don't know that I think Bentley is slaving around over there. He probably does help out with the other kids to some degree. It may be more when filming is going on. He may really enjoy it. He seems to love those kids, and he also seems pretty happy and well adjusted most of the time. So I'm not quite sure he's being taken advantage of. 

I totally agree.  I think people are taking one small scene and running with it.  They were filming and the producers wanted to talk to them about what went down at Ryan's.  That wasn't an appropriate conversation for the kids to be around so it made sense that Bentley would be told to take Jayde inside (although, as a parent of a child around her age I was kind of wondering how Bentley was going to take care of that.  Then I got jealous that I don't have a kid Bentley's age I could make take care of that stuff.  Someone call CPS!)  Also, I failed to see what the problem was with having a cocktail in a hot tub.  Isn't that what you DO in hot tubs?  Especially after getting into an emotional confrontation and your exes house?    Considering how shitty Ryan turned out, I wouldn't be taking any parenting complaints from the Edwards home seriously.

[Tatum]

7 minutes ago, lezlers said:

  Considering how shitty Ryan turned out, I wouldn't be taking any parenting complaints from the Edwards home seriously.

Well, I can't argue with that. Granted, Larry and Jen have frequently come under fire for being overly indulgent over the years, but they are really upping the ante by criticizing Maci as a parent this season, which never seemed to bother them in the previous years when Ryan wouldn't even come over for his own visitation weekend. Short memories, this bunch.

[lezlers]

25 minutes ago, Tatum said:

I saw that episode, and to me, my impression was Ryan was trying to get laid. Maci said as much when she told her friends that Ryan should call her and invite her out to dinner and not try and get her to come home with him when they've been drinking, and Ryan had a girlfriend. Maci did end up going to lunch with him during that episode and she kept saying things like, isn't it cool that Mom and Dad are hanging out again? to Bentley. But that was filmed years ago- before Taylor.  That was filmed in 2013, I think. After Ryan and Dalis broke up (shortly after the Being Maci special was filmed), Dalis did say Ryan had cheated on her with Maci numerous times. Maci kind of hinted at that during a reunion special filmed around that time.  

 

ETA: To your other point, about how she wouldn't give him the time of day now, I happen to agree with, but I think she would take IMMENSE satisfaction in rejecting him.

 

I do disagree with you though that Ryan would be interested in reconciling with Maci. I am sure Ryan would be down for a hookup here and there, but I don't think Ryan has it in him to be interested in a relationship with anyone.  His current relationship status is one of convenience, I am pretty sure, and if Mack does get knocked up, Ryan will be out of there. Ryan bails as soon as a girlfriend has any expectations or demands of him.

Oh, I agree with you that Ryan doesn't want to get back with Maci and I especially agree that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with ANYONE, including Mac.  Mac is a grifter and opportunist who took advantage of an addict who wasn't clear headed.   I really loathe her.   Ryan is nothing but a manchild with a suitcase full of baggage and some serious emotional problems that he's been trying to cover up with his addiction.  I've got a sneaking suspicion the lions share of those issues are from Larry.   I have a feeling that behind closed doors Larry is a real asshole. 

[Tatum]

20 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Oh, I agree with you that Ryan doesn't want to get back with Maci and I especially agree that he doesn't want to be in a relationship with ANYONE, including Mac.  Mac is a grifter and opportunist who took advantage of an addict who wasn't clear headed.   I really loathe her.   Ryan is nothing but a manchild with a suitcase full of baggage and some serious emotional problems that he's been trying to cover up with his addiction.  I've got a sneaking suspicion the lions share of those issues are from Larry.   I have a feeling that behind closed doors Larry is a real asshole. 

You know what's the worst part? Larry has never directly acknowledged the fact that his 20 year old son had unprotected sex with a 16 year old girl (not illegal in their state, but kind of squicky and certainly irresponsible), then left her holding the bag for much of the first year with the parenting until they split and Jen and Larry took over as co-parents in their son's complete absence and general disinterest, then never bothered to get an official court order for visitation, and who has repeatedly called Maci nasty names on TV and been a shit father to Bentley. Larry has never even given any indication he realizes just how badly Ryan hurt Maci and continues to hurt Bentley, and how much he's screwed both of them over. Yet, he has  denounced Ryan and said he wouldn't piss on him if Ryan was on fire. Why? Because Ryan stole his tool set and convinced Jen to give him money behind Larry's back.

 

So in short, Larry is capable of recognizing Ryan's faults- when it directly affects Larry. His grandson he claims to love? Not so much.

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

I totally agree.  I think people are taking one small scene and running with it.  They were filming and the producers wanted to talk to them about what went down at Ryan's.  That wasn't an appropriate conversation for the kids to be around so it made sense that Bentley would be told to take Jayde inside (although, as a parent of a child around her age I was kind of wondering how Bentley was going to take care of that.  Then I got jealous that I don't have a kid Bentley's age I could make take care of that stuff.  Someone call CPS!)  Also, I failed to see what the problem was with having a cocktail in a hot tub.  Isn't that what you DO in hot tubs?  Especially after getting into an emotional confrontation and your exes house?    Considering how shitty Ryan turned out, I wouldn't be taking any parenting complaints from the Edwards home seriously.

Except Maci lets Bentley watch the show. So, whether she booted Bentley away from the conversation or not doesn't mean squat because Bentley will be watching the scene eventually. We know Bentley watches the show because Maci said this on more than one occasion when airing her grievances about what Farrah is doing in her personal life away from the show. Forget that Bentley is also watching DV, child neglect, child abuse to some degree, verbal and emotional abuse, drug use and addiction, and the slew of other things that we find questionable. Maci has had countless scenes air where she discussed things about Ryan and the Edwards that Bentley shouldn't have viewed. 

No one questioned any adult having cocktails in the hot tub. It was mentioned Maci or Taylor could not bother to get the child out of her wet clothes, have the chlorine rinsed off and then get back in the hot tub. It isn't hard to tell the camera crew and producer to hold off for a minute to tend to a child and they can return to the scene to film. We have seen it happen many times how these people decide not to film a scene because they aren't "in the mood" only to have the producer say, "that's fine" and they try and pick it up later. 

[lezlers]

57 minutes ago, GreatKazu said:

Except Maci lets Bentley watch the show. So, whether she booted Bentley away from the conversation or not doesn't mean squat because Bentley will be watching the scene eventually. We know Bentley watches the show because Maci said this on more than one occasion when airing her grievances about what Farrah is doing in her personal life away from the show. Forget that Bentley is also watching DV, child neglect, child abuse to some degree, verbal and emotional abuse, drug use and addiction, and the slew of other things that we find questionable. Maci has had countless scenes air where she discussed things about Ryan and the Edwards that Bentley shouldn't have viewed. 

No one questioned any adult having cocktails in the hot tub. It was mentioned Maci or Taylor could not bother to get the child out of her wet clothes, have the chlorine rinsed off and then get back in the hot tub. It isn't hard to tell the camera crew and producer to hold off for a minute to tend to a child and they can return to the scene to film. We have seen it happen many times how these people decide not to film a scene because they aren't "in the mood" only to have the producer say, "that's fine" and they try and pick it up later. 

Whoah ,I had no idea Maci let Bentley watch the show, did she really say that?  That is some horrible parenting if that's the case.  I couldn't imagine anything less appropriate.  I would hope she at least edits what he sees.  Maci has her issues, but she's never crossed me as a bad mother so I would be very surprised if she actually let him watch the whole show and not just a few cherry picked scenes so he could see himself on tv. 

And yes, a few posters commented in the beginning of this thread on Maci drinking a cocktail in the hot tub.  I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.  I don't think I've ever been in a hot tub WITHOUT a cocktail, so it didn't cross me as being something scandalous at all. Drinking while pregnant?  Yes.  Drinking while in the hot tub?  I'd think you were weirder if you didn't.  ;)

[GreatKazu]

33 minutes ago, lezlers said:

Whoah ,I had no idea Maci let Bentley watch the show, did she really say that?  That is some horrible parenting if that's the case.  I couldn't imagine anything less appropriate.  I would hope she at least edits what he sees.  Maci has her issues, but she's never crossed me as a bad mother so I would be very surprised if she actually let him watch the whole show and not just a few cherry picked scenes so he could see himself on tv. 

And yes, a few posters commented in the beginning of this thread on Maci drinking a cocktail in the hot tub.  I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.  I don't think I've ever been in a hot tub WITHOUT a cocktail, so it didn't cross me as being something scandalous at all. Drinking while pregnant?  Yes.  Drinking while in the hot tub?  I'd think you were weirder if you didn't.  ;)

Yes, unfortunately, Maci lets Bentley watch the show. She went on and on about how Bentley's classmates (apparently, they also watch the show) don't need to confuse her with Farrah and her extra-curricular activities. She then mentioned somewhere, not sure if it was in an article or on the show, Bentley doesn't need to hear his father call her names on the show and in person. There was also another reference, I believe on the reunion show or one of the TM specials with Nessa, where Maci mentioned Bentley watching the show and referenced something that alluded to him watching entire episodes. 

[AmandaUnbidden]

On 12/11/2017 at 1:38 PM, ghoulina said:

Except Bentley doesn't look all sad and vacant, like Maryssa does. I'm really not trying to come off as a Maci defender here, but I just don't know that I think Bentley is slaving around over there. He probably does help out with the other kids to some degree. It may be more when filming is going on. He may really enjoy it. He seems to love those kids, and he also seems pretty happy and well adjusted most of the time. So I'm not quite sure he's being taken advantage of. 

That's what throws me. Maci's kids all do seem to be well taken care of and happy for the time we see them  at least. Hopefully, she isn't putting too much on Bentley. The hot tub scene just made me wonder. Also, I have to remind myself that you can never fully trust what Ryan says. 

[AmandaUnbidden]

13 hours ago, GreatKazu said:

Yes, unfortunately, Maci lets Bentley watch the show. She went on and on about how Bentley's classmates (apparently, they also watch the show) don't need to confuse her with Farrah and her extra-curricular activities. She then mentioned somewhere, not sure if it was in an article or on the show, Bentley doesn't need to hear his father call her names on the show and in person. There was also another reference, I believe on the reunion show or one of the TM specials with Nessa, where Maci mentioned Bentley watching the show and referenced something that alluded to him watching entire episodes. 

I think Maci was saying that she was afraid Bentley's friends at school might end up seeing the show or, more likely, their parents and start confusing Maci with Farrah. Also, she was ashamed for them to see her on a show with Farrah, yet she is fine with being associated with all the other things on this show. 

Anyway, I don't think she actually meant Bentley watched the show himself but I could be wrong of course. 

[ReadMeLattice]

On 12/12/2017 at 9:05 AM, ginger90 said:

Just using google so.......the last manager I found for Farrah was 

Gina Rodriguez of GR Media. 

(2013)

Yeah, I don't know if he's her official manager, but he's helped her with contracts before and made some of the $ off of it. Both of her parents have also started businesses with her. I get the sense they do make some money besides TM $ for working for/with her. 

[AirQuotes]

15 hours ago, lezlers said:

Whoah ,I had no idea Maci let Bentley watch the show, did she really say that?  That is some horrible parenting if that's the case.  I couldn't imagine anything less appropriate.  I would hope she at least edits what he sees.  Maci has her issues, but she's never crossed me as a bad mother so I would be very surprised if she actually let him watch the whole show and not just a few cherry picked scenes so he could see himself on tv. 

And yes, a few posters commented in the beginning of this thread on Maci drinking a cocktail in the hot tub.  I wouldn't have mentioned it otherwise.  I don't think I've ever been in a hot tub WITHOUT a cocktail, so it didn't cross me as being something scandalous at all. Drinking while pregnant?  Yes.  Drinking while in the hot tub?  I'd think you were weirder if you didn't.  ;)

I guess it doesn't really matter where St. Maci of Budlight is drinking because she *frequently* drinks.

[lezlers]

1 hour ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

I think Maci was saying that she was afraid Bentley's friends at school might end up seeing the show or, more likely, their parents and start confusing Maci with Farrah. Also, she was ashamed for them to see her on a show with Farrah, yet she is fine with being associated with all the other things on this show. 

Anyway, I don't think she actually meant Bentley watched the show himself but I could be wrong of course. 

This sounds more likely.  I mean, I know we all like to hate on Maci but she's never crossed me as a shitty parent and letting her young child watch this show in it's entirety doesn't seem like something she'd do.  I mean, I don't even think Jenelle would do THAT and she's pretty much on the ground with respect to the parenting bar.

Edited December 15, 2017 by lezlers

[ReadMeLattice]

17 hours ago, Tatum said:

You know what's the worst part? Larry has never directly acknowledged the fact that his 20 year old son had unprotected sex with a 16 year old girl (not illegal in their state, but kind of squicky and certainly irresponsible), then left her holding the bag for much of the first year with the parenting until they split and Jen and Larry took over as co-parents in their son's complete absence and general disinterest, then never bothered to get an official court order for visitation, and who has repeatedly called Maci nasty names on TV and been a shit father to Bentley. Larry has never even given any indication he realizes just how badly Ryan hurt Maci and continues to hurt Bentley, and how much he's screwed both of them over. Yet, he has  denounced Ryan and said he wouldn't piss on him if Ryan was on fire. Why? Because Ryan stole his tool set and convinced Jen to give him money behind Larry's back.

 

So in short, Larry is capable of recognizing Ryan's faults- when it directly affects Larry. His grandson he claims to love? Not so much.

You're so right! I get that Maci was participating willingly, but dropping the ball with your HIGH SCHOOL girlfriend at age 20 and then acting like she's the bitch because she's not mature in the way she deals with basically your abandonment? Pretty creepy and disgusting. 

I also know there is no way in hell my parents would have let me run around with a 20 year old when I was 16. Ryan's parents and Maci's should have done more to prevent it. I know that they might have not been able to, but I didn't get the sense that they thought anything about it was inappropriate. 

[lezlers]

4 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

You're so right! I get that Maci was participating willingly, but dropping the ball with your HIGH SCHOOL girlfriend at age 20 and then acting like she's the bitch because she's not mature in the way she deals with basically your abandonment? Pretty creepy and disgusting. 

I also know there is no way in hell my parents would have let me run around with a 20 year old when I was 16. Ryan's parents and Maci's should have done more to prevent it. I know that they might have not been able to, but I didn't get the sense that they thought anything about it was inappropriate. 

I have a feeling both Maci and Ryan's parents married very young themselves.   I remember Ryan's parents REALLY pushing for Maci and Ryan to get married, they seemed more concerned with that happening than if Maci and Ryan were actually doing well and were happy.  I'm probably really stereotyping here but according to my southern friends, appearances are of the utmost importance in the south so I think this explains a bit of what we see, especially with respect to the Edwards trying to cover up Ryan's obvious addiction.  Better he stay addicted to drugs for years than the public find out he actually has a problem.  I mean, that might reflect badly on THEM.

[Tatum]

24 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

You're so right! I get that Maci was participating willingly, but dropping the ball with your HIGH SCHOOL girlfriend at age 20 and then acting like she's the bitch because she's not mature in the way she deals with basically your abandonment? Pretty creepy and disgusting. 

I also know there is no way in hell my parents would have let me run around with a 20 year old when I was 16. Ryan's parents and Maci's should have done more to prevent it. I know that they might have not been able to, but I didn't get the sense that they thought anything about it was inappropriate. 

During Maci's 16 and Pregnant, Larry asked Maci at dinner time why her parents didn't put her on the pill if she was going to be having sex.

OK, let me finish sputtering first. OK- Hey, Larry- how about throwing a little shade towards your 20 year old son who was probably the more sexually experienced of the two?  Actually, Jen did mention during that same conversation that she tried to have a talk with Ryan over using condoms and he told her to stop. So she did.

 

Yes, it takes two to tango, but when someone is older and more experienced, I am going to hold them to a higher standard. It has also been heavily hinted that Maci conceived at the same instance she lost her virginity, and may have only had sex with Ryan that one time (I mean, before she found out she was pregnant and persuaded by both sets of parents to enter a shotgun engagement).

 

FWIW, Maci has said her parents were teen parents when they had her older brother. I think Jen was 22 when Ryan was born and Larry is a few years older than Jen. I am pretty sure Jen has said she was pregnant with Ryan when she married Larry.

[gunderda]

1 hour ago, Tatum said:

 

FWIW, Maci has said her parents were teen parents when they had her older brother. I think Jen was 22 when Ryan was born and Larry is a few years older than Jen. I am pretty sure Jen has said she was pregnant with Ryan when she married Larry.

I think during the special with his parents Jen and Larry shared how they met and got married and it was SUPER fast. I think her pregnancy was a really fast oops and they decided to get married right away.  I want to say it all happened within a few months? From what I recall they weren't even that serious.  Larry just demanded they would get married. 

[Birdee]

2 hours ago, lezlers said:

I have a feeling both Maci and Ryan's parents married very young themselves.   I remember Ryan's parents REALLY pushing for Maci and Ryan to get married, they seemed more concerned with that happening than if Maci and Ryan were actually doing well and were happy.  I'm probably really stereotyping here but according to my southern friends, appearances are of the utmost importance in the south so I think this explains a bit of what we see, especially with respect to the Edwards trying to cover up Ryan's obvious addiction.  Better he stay addicted to drugs for years than the public find out he actually has a problem.  I mean, that might reflect badly on THEM.

Spot on. I know quite a few couples who got married quickly after finding out about an impending birth (some of them were couples who were BOTH still in high school) because their parents were embarrassed. Hell, my own mother suggested that my sister get married before moving in with her then boyfriend (now husband) so I wouldn't think that was acceptable behavior because "you can always just get a divorce."

[ghoulina]

6 hours ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

I think Maci was saying that she was afraid Bentley's friends at school might end up seeing the show or, more likely, their parents and start confusing Maci with Farrah. Also, she was ashamed for them to see her on a show with Farrah, yet she is fine with being associated with all the other things on this show. 

Anyway, I don't think she actually meant Bentley watched the show himself but I could be wrong of course. 

That's what I've always thought as well. Maci has her flaws, but I don't see her letting Bentley watch the show. I thought she was more referencing the scuttle butt around town getting back to him. But I did think it was a stupid thing to make a stand about, considering Farrah has never done porn ON the show, and others have done horrendous things ON the show. 

[SPLAIN]

9 hours ago, AmandaUnbidden said:

I think Maci was saying that she was afraid Bentley's friends at school might end up seeing the show or, more likely, their parents and start confusing Maci with Farrah. Also, she was ashamed for them to see her on a show with Farrah, yet she is fine with being associated with all the other things on this show. 

Anyway, I don't think she actually meant Bentley watched the show himself but I could be wrong of course. 

Here are some quotes from Maci which came from one interview and the other was said on camera for the TM reunion special:

“I don’t find it appropriate for my six-year-old son — who has to wake up and go to kindergarten the day after the show airs — to be on a show where they are at strip clubs or talking about porn.”

“They’re six years old and in school, and kids are mean. So I’m not going to be able to stop them from asking if his mom is the one that did a sex tape, you know?”

“I don’t judge Farrah or dislike her, but Bentley’s in kindergarten. So kids already ask him about being on TV. And now it’s like ‘Oh, is your mom the one who did a sex tape? Is your mom the one who did a porn?’” Maci explained to costars

From Maci's FB fan page:

“Maci decided to not have her son [Bentley Edwards] filmed halfway through the upcoming season of MTV’s Teen Mom OG airing March 23rd, because Farrah Abrahams [sic] had been brought back on the show halfway through and she did not feel it appropriate to have her 6 year old son on the same show as her.”

Now, those are quotes I was able to find online. I do remember Maci saying long ago how Bentley watches the show and knows the other kids from watching their segments. I think she said it on a reunion show or one of those MTV videos from the TM site. I remember it clearly because this was before the whole porn issue. The other mothers had chimed in and said they let their kids watch the show, too. I was bothered at that time because before Farrah went into the adult business, there had been a lot of violence and drug use showcased on the show.

Just for shits and giggles here is Tyler's response:

“There’s no shame in porn,” Tyler added. “If you want to go do porn, do porn. But we’re attached to it. At what price are you going to sell your dignity, man? I tell ya, it’d better be a high one.”

Tyler, STFU.

[lezlers]

4 minutes ago, SPLAIN said:

Here are some quotes from Maci which came from one interview and the other was said on camera for the TM reunion special:

“I don’t find it appropriate for my six-year-old son — who has to wake up and go to kindergarten the day after the show airs — to be on a show where they are at strip clubs or talking about porn.”

“They’re six years old and in school, and kids are mean. So I’m not going to be able to stop them from asking if his mom is the one that did a sex tape, you know?”

“I don’t judge Farrah or dislike her, but Bentley’s in kindergarten. So kids already ask him about being on TV. And now it’s like ‘Oh, is your mom the one who did a sex tape? Is your mom the one who did a porn?’” Maci explained to costars

From Maci's FB fan page:

“Maci decided to not have her son [Bentley Edwards] filmed halfway through the upcoming season of MTV’s Teen Mom OG airing March 23rd, because Farrah Abrahams [sic] had been brought back on the show halfway through and she did not feel it appropriate to have her 6 year old son on the same show as her.”

Now, those are quotes I was able to find online. I do remember Maci saying long ago how Bentley watches the show and knows the other kids from watching their segments. I think she said it on a reunion show or one of those MTV videos from the TM site. I remember it clearly because this was before the whole porn issue. The other mothers had chimed in and said they let their kids watch the show, too. I was bothered at that time because before Farrah went into the adult business, there had been a lot of violence and drug use showcased on the show.

Just for shits and giggles here is Tyler's response:

“There’s no shame in porn,” Tyler added. “If you want to go do porn, do porn. But we’re attached to it. At what price are you going to sell your dignity, man? I tell ya, it’d better be a high one.”

Tyler, STFU.

None of those quotes lead me to believe she lets Bentley watch the show.  Like, not even a little bit.  I don't know where the posters thinking she does got that from, if those are the quotes they were looking at.  That's really a bit of a stretch.

[SPLAIN]

37 minutes ago, lezlers said:

None of those quotes lead me to believe she lets Bentley watch the show.  Like, not even a little bit.  I don't know where the posters thinking she does got that from, if those are the quotes they were looking at.  That's really a bit of a stretch.

That is why I posted the quotes so others can get a better idea of what Maci said at that time.

However, I as I posted, I do have a recollection of her mentioning Bentley watching the show, but as I pointed out, it was way before this Farrah porn matter ever happened. I wish I knew where I got that from, I just know it was a video I watched online. It may have been linked here on this board. I don't know if it was a behind-the-scenes thing or from one of the specials. There are so many videos out there that the girls do, I can't keep them all straight.

ETA: I think Maci was answering a question about how does Bentley like doing the show. She then responded he is used to the cameras and since they have been around since day one, he sometimes just ignores the crew. She then went into how Bentley reacts to seeing himself on screen when the show is airing.

Edited December 16, 2017 by SPLAIN

[AmyFarrahFowler]

10 hours ago, gunderda said:

I think during the special with his parents Jen and Larry shared how they met and got married and it was SUPER fast. I think her pregnancy was a really fast oops and they decided to get married right away.  I want to say it all happened within a few months? From what I recall they weren't even that serious.  Larry just demanded they would get married. 

During the Edwardses special Larry mentioned that he met Jenn through her sister (they were just friends) and their first date was bike riding. I thought Jenn said she was pregnant within 30 days. Does anyone else remember that?

[TimeToCancelTM]

On 12/6/2017 at 6:11 AM, Pepper Mostly said:

I think there's a difference between collecting memorabilia and what these fools are doing, though.They don't strike me as collectors or enthusiasts! 

I'll bet my entire life savings that cate, tyler, or amber cant name 1 movie with marylin....not even fucking 1.... poser ass lil bitches...

[GreatKazu]

1 hour ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

During the Edwardses special Larry mentioned that he met Jenn through her sister (they were just friends) and their first date was bike riding. I thought Jenn said she was pregnant within 30 days. Does anyone else remember that?

I went back to the topic and found my original comment regarding the episode. Yep, you are correct:

Quote

Jen and Larry dated for 30 days when Jen announced she was pregnant. Larry admits to telling her, "What are you gonna do about it?" she responded she was having the baby with or without him. 

 

I also posted that Ryan mentioned his place was being renovated. Is that the same place featured in this episode? 

It was also mentioned Jen was 22 years old when she became pregnant. 

[lezlers]

15 hours ago, AmyFarrahFowler said:

During the Edwardses special Larry mentioned that he met Jenn through her sister (they were just friends) and their first date was bike riding. I thought Jenn said she was pregnant within 30 days. Does anyone else remember that?

I wonder how many times Jen wished she had never gone on that cursed bike ride.

[Jeanne222]

I like Maci.  I think she's doing alright considering what she has to work with.

Bentley seems like a happy kid.  It's hard to explain to a kid their dad's an asshole and his parents enablers.

Maci wants more then that for her children.

 

I've seen no proof of Maci being more than a social drinker.  Just Innuendo's and side remarks.

[lezlers]

7 minutes ago, Jeanne222 said:

I like Maci.  I think she's doing alright considering what she has to work with.

Bentley seems like a happy kid.  It's hard to explain to a kid their dad's an asshole and his parents enablers.

Maci wants more then that for her children.

 

I've seen no proof of Maci being more than a social drinker.  Just Innuendo's and side remarks.

I agree with you, for what it's worth.  There's a LOT of Maci hate here, most of it stemming from the period of time where she claimed she didn't know she was pregnant, yet she was still drinking heavily.  Other than that, I haven't seen her behave in a way that even hints at her being a bad mother.  Immature and bitchy at times, sure, but that comes with age.  I'd definitely say that other than Chelsea, she's definitely the most well adjusted Teen Mom by a LONG shot.

[Jeanne222]

26 minutes ago, lezlers said:

I agree with you, for what it's worth.  There's a LOT of Maci hate here, most of it stemming from the period of time where she claimed she didn't know she was pregnant, yet she was still drinking heavily.  Other than that, I haven't seen her behave in a way that even hints at her being a bad mother.  Immature and bitchy at times, sure, but that comes with age.  I'd definitely say that other than Chelsea, she's definitely the most well adjusted Teen Mom by a LONG shot.

Agree and remembering too Chelsea was very lucky to have the support of good parents and a mostly absentee Adam!

[GreatKazu]

I won't even touch the whole Maci drinking while pregnant topic since there was clear proof (no pun intended) of her drinking knowing she was pregnant (there were a few pages with dates, links, and photos), not to mention that has been done to death. 

Someone can be disliked and it doesn't mean because they are a bad mother. 

I can make a list of why Maci gets a lot of shade, I just don't want to bother typing up a list a mile long. I will just point out the most recent action of hers that gets my blood pressure up. Maci driving while texting with her two children in the car. It is illegal and extremely, dangerous. Way to go, Maci. Fine job there of protecting your kids. They are not safe in your uterus or in your vehicle. If she did that on camera, how often is it happening when the cameras are not around. 

Edited December 16, 2017 by GreatKazu

[Tatum]

1 hour ago, lezlers said:

I agree with you, for what it's worth.  There's a LOT of Maci hate here, most of it stemming from the period of time where she claimed she didn't know she was pregnant, yet she was still drinking heavily.  Other than that, I haven't seen her behave in a way that even hints at her being a bad mother.  Immature and bitchy at times, sure, but that comes with age.  I'd definitely say that other than Chelsea, she's definitely the most well adjusted Teen Mom by a LONG shot.

Well, a lot of people are going to have a hard time with the qualifier, "except for that one time when she drank so many shots of hard alcohol that IVs had to be brought in the next day while she was 15 weeks pregnant, Maci is a good mom."

I mean, that's just a REALLY big exception. It's not like saying, "except for that phase Maci went through where she was interrogating Bentley every time he came back from Jen's house in order to gather intel on Ryan's dating life and make a point on camera of what a shit father Ryan, Maci has been a good mom," or, "except for that brief phase of dubious judgment where Maci was living in a frat house with Bentley and having beer pong parties with the college kids after putting him to bed, Maci is a good mom."  It's one I have difficulty saying, and I don't blink an eye at a woman who has a small glass of wine or beer while pregnant. But that's a lot different than what Maci did. So yes, it might stem from ONE issue, but it's a BIG issue. 

 

Other than that, I will say I find her annoying and sanctimonious. But if I could strike her drinking while pregnant from the record, I'd say she was a decent mom. 

[guilfoyleatpp]

3 hours ago, Tatum said:

Other than that, I will say I find her annoying and sanctimonious. But if I could strike her drinking while pregnant from the record, I'd say she was a decent mom. 

Sanctimonious is the perfect descriptor for why she is fucking annoying as fuck.

[bethster2000]

On 12/13/2017 at 4:35 PM, allienc said:

Caitlin and Tyler: ARE YOU FUCKING KIDDING YOUR WHOLE SEGMENT WAS A CROCKPOT OF HOT ASS MESS QUIT HAVING KIDS QUIT BUYING ANIMALS YOU ARE BOTH SUICIDAL AND SELF-MEDICATING YOU HAVE NO JOBS AND YOU ARE SUPPORTING YOURSELVES ON THE INCOME OF TWO PAGES WORTH OF RAGGEDY ASS HOME-EC BABY CLOTHES JESUS GOD. 

I'm having this tattooed on my hiney.  I love it; it's everything about these two that needs to be said.

[lezlers]

14 hours ago, Tatum said:

Well, a lot of people are going to have a hard time with the qualifier, "except for that one time when she drank so many shots of hard alcohol that IVs had to be brought in the next day while she was 15 weeks pregnant, Maci is a good mom."

I mean, that's just a REALLY big exception. It's not like saying, "except for that phase Maci went through where she was interrogating Bentley every time he came back from Jen's house in order to gather intel on Ryan's dating life and make a point on camera of what a shit father Ryan, Maci has been a good mom," or, "except for that brief phase of dubious judgment where Maci was living in a frat house with Bentley and having beer pong parties with the college kids after putting him to bed, Maci is a good mom."  It's one I have difficulty saying, and I don't blink an eye at a woman who has a small glass of wine or beer while pregnant. But that's a lot different than what Maci did. So yes, it might stem from ONE issue, but it's a BIG issue. 

 

Other than that, I will say I find her annoying and sanctimonious. But if I could strike her drinking while pregnant from the record, I'd say she was a decent mom. 

LOL.  I forgot about the frat house.  There definitely couldn't be a more inappropriate place to live with a (then) toddler.  Well, maybe a drug house.   Look, I'm not Maci's biggest fan, either (although I definitely like her a lot more now than I did a few years ago.)   I'll never forget that scene when Ryan and his then girlfriend went on a beach vacation with his family and Bentley and Maci showed up with like, 5 of her friends all strolling down the beach in their shades OBVIOUSLY just trying to intimidate Ryan's then girlfriend under the guise of "missing Bentley."  It was ridiculous and immature.   I think a lot of people tend to forget though that she was a teenager when she had Bentley and a lot of us are damn lucky we never had our lives filmed during our late teens/very early twenties.  

I think I tend to focus on the fact that she obviously loves Bentley and next to Jenelle and Amber and Kail, she does put her children first in that she's not inviting a new guy into her home and into the daddy role every year, she's not pawning her kids off on relatives for weeks at a time, ect.  Basically she's not doing anything that's going to cause long term emotional damage (not counting FAS.)  But yeah, you're right in that she's definitely not mother of the year by any stretch of the imagination.   My point being, I don't think there's any blame to be cast on her for Ryan's addiction and I don't think with respect to the ADDICTION, she's put Bentley in harm's way at all ,which has been argued here.   I think that particular argument tends to stem from general dislike of Maci more than any specific facts.   

[Tatum]

11 hours ago, guilfoyleatpp said:

Sanctimonious is the perfect descriptor for why she is fucking annoying as fuck.

Maci reminds me of the quintessential college freshman who comes from an affluent family and is largely sheltered, who, upon meeting new friends from different backgrounds and taking classes from professors with political, environmental, and social leanings away from where her parents lean, goes home at Thanksgiving and tries to school her parents on how the world really is. 

 

Not saying parents can't be wrong, but they likely have had 20+ years of working, paying bills, paying taxes, racking up life experiences and making plenty of sacrifices so they can pay for their know it all daughter's college education, who now thinks she knows everything because she's lived on her own for a few months (albeit in a dorm room paid for by her parents and eating food and reading textbooks and working on a laptop also funded by her parents). 

 

This phenomenon is not uncommon (that girl was ME 15 years ago) and not unforgivable because most kids grow out of it by 4th year of college and are eternally grateful for what their parents have given them and have a little more perspective on all that they don't know, that they never even knew they didn't know. Maci is 26 and yet to grow out of that phase. 

 

 

Eta: @lezlers- you're right, she was very young when the show started, and a lot of her behaviors could be excused for that reason. But I think Maci is not really growing up much and is still emotionally a 17 year old. I thought that was particularly driven home during the whole Farrah debacle, and I'm not just talking about her stomping off for 30 seconds and threatening to quit the show. I thought it was beyond shitty during a recent reunion when Amber stormed the stage threatening physical violence to Farrah and is hustled off the stage and Maci comes up and pats Amber on the back and is wholly sympathetic- to Amber. Amber was in the wrong! Yet because Maci dislikes Farrah, she was treating Amber like the victim. I just don't see a lot of integrity in Maci. 

Edited December 17, 2017 by Tatum

[GreatKazu]

Quote

I think I tend to focus on the fact that she obviously loves Bentley and next to Jenelle and Amber and Kail, she does put her children first in that she's not inviting a new guy into her home and into the daddy role every year, she's not pawning her kids off on relatives for weeks at a time, ect. 

No one has ever pointed out Maci doesn't love Bentley. I can safely say all of us know she loves that boy. 

What Maci did or didn't do when she was young and dumb (still is), and the laundry list of excusable behaviors can  can be overlooked as time passes.

Maci is an adult mother with three children who is still making choices that I find unbecoming of her. As @Tatum pointed out, the whole drama centering on the reunion shows where Maci pretty much gave her seal of approval for the violent behavior of Amber against another cast member. Maci may not being throwing blows, but she is not appalled nor does she try to distance herself from such criminal behavior. Her own behavior leaves many to question if that is what she will showcase on camera, what is happening when the cameras are not around? 

For the longest time I wasn't on the "Ryan is a druggie" train because I just wasn't sure. That doesn't mean others were wrong in their opinions. 

Edited December 17, 2017 by GreatKazu

[SPLAIN]

20 hours ago, Tatum said:

Well, a lot of people are going to have a hard time with the qualifier, "except for that one time when she drank so many shots of hard alcohol that IVs had to be brought in the next day while she was 15 weeks pregnant, Maci is a good mom."

I mean, that's just a REALLY big exception. It's not like saying, "except for that phase Maci went through where she was interrogating Bentley every time he came back from Jen's house in order to gather intel on Ryan's dating life and make a point on camera of what a shit father Ryan, Maci has been a good mom," or, "except for that brief phase of dubious judgment where Maci was living in a frat house with Bentley and having beer pong parties with the college kids after putting him to bed, Maci is a good mom."  It's one I have difficulty saying, and I don't blink an eye at a woman who has a small glass of wine or beer while pregnant. But that's a lot different than what Maci did. So yes, it might stem from ONE issue, but it's a BIG issue. 

 

Other than that, I will say I find her annoying and sanctimonious. But if I could strike her drinking while pregnant from the record, I'd say she was a decent mom. 

Well put, my dear. It is a huge issue.

[ReadMeLattice]

On 12/16/2017 at 3:40 PM, Tatum said:

Well, a lot of people are going to have a hard time with the qualifier, "except for that one time when she drank so many shots of hard alcohol that IVs had to be brought in the next day while she was 15 weeks pregnant, Maci is a good mom."

I mean, that's just a REALLY big exception. It's not like saying, "except for that phase Maci went through where she was interrogating Bentley every time he came back from Jen's house in order to gather intel on Ryan's dating life and make a point on camera of what a shit father Ryan, Maci has been a good mom," or, "except for that brief phase of dubious judgment where Maci was living in a frat house with Bentley and having beer pong parties with the college kids after putting him to bed, Maci is a good mom."  It's one I have difficulty saying, and I don't blink an eye at a woman who has a small glass of wine or beer while pregnant. But that's a lot different than what Maci did. So yes, it might stem from ONE issue, but it's a BIG issue. 

 

Other than that, I will say I find her annoying and sanctimonious. But if I could strike her drinking while pregnant from the record, I'd say she was a decent mom. 

Yeah. I mean, I do tend to be more liberal than a lot of others when it comes to what women ingest while pregnant. I've read all the studies and in many other countries, it's considered perfectly normal by ob/gyns for pregnant women to drink limited amounts of wine or beer. In the U.S. we tend to be very all or nothing about stuff. We're really obsessive and judgey about caffeine intake while pregnant, everything from lunch meats to exercise, while looking the other way when pregnant women eat fast food and candy. I didn't personally drink while I was pregnant because that was MY decision, but a lot of our dichotomies (extreme diets vs. extreme obesity, total abstinence vs. binge drinking) make me a little less judgmental of the wide spectrum in between. I say this to say that I'm the *least* judgmental person about what people do while pregnant. 

But Maci? Girl was not having one beer during a craving or a glass of red wine on a birthday. That was just ridiculous. She was bingeing her face off. Absolutely drowning herself in hard booze. And while she might have a problem, I really think she's just hardcore partying, which is even worse because I doubt she has a chemical dependency or something. She's just selfish and excessive and STILL considers herself superior. To everybody.

That's what I don't like about her. 

[mamadrama]

17 minutes ago, Lm2162 said:

Yeah. I mean, I do tend to be more liberal than a lot of others when it comes to what women ingest while pregnant. I've read all the studies and in many other countries, it's considered perfectly normal by ob/gyns for pregnant women to drink limited amounts of wine or beer. In the U.S. we tend to be very all or nothing about stuff. We're really obsessive and judgey about caffeine intake while pregnant, everything from lunch meats to exercise, while looking the other way when pregnant women eat fast food and candy. I didn't personally drink while I was pregnant because that was MY decision, but a lot of our dichotomies (extreme diets vs. extreme obesity, total abstinence vs. binge drinking) make me a little less judgmental of the wide spectrum in between. I say this to say that I'm the *least* judgmental person about what people do while pregnant. 

But Maci? Girl was not having one beer during a craving or a glass of red wine on a birthday. That was just ridiculous. She was bingeing her face off. Absolutely drowning herself in hard booze. And while she might have a problem, I really think she's just hardcore partying, which is even worse because I doubt she has a chemical dependency or something. She's just selfish and excessive and STILL considers herself superior. To everybody.

 

Yeah, I co-sign this. 

During my first pregnancy, I was pregnant in the UK and hospitalized quite a few times. During my first stay, I was shocked that they brought me Guiness, in my hospital bed, for the protein. For every study that shows alcohol is bad, they had one to say that limited alcohol was fine (even positive). On the other hand...At one point I was eating a peanut butter sandwich before an appointment and the midwife freaked out. What if the baby had a peanut allergy!? In the US, conversely, they give peanut butter to pregnant women through the WIC program...So yes, what is acceptable in different cultures varies. 

But Maci? Girl. She was photographed drinking while pregnant. I pull a lot of shenanigans but I try not to get photo proof of them because, you know, people will talk at the very least. If she couldn't do that shit in the privacy of her own home and had to partake in alcohol while she was out and doing stuff in public, that's an issue. 

[Calm81]

20 hours ago, Tatum said:

Maci reminds me of the quintessential college freshman who comes from an affluent family and is largely sheltered, who, upon meeting new friends from different backgrounds and taking classes from professors with political, environmental, and social leanings away from where her parents lean, goes home at Thanksgiving and tries to school her parents on how the world really is. 

 

Not saying parents can't be wrong, but they likely have had 20+ years of working, paying bills, paying taxes, racking up life experiences and making plenty of sacrifices so they can pay for their know it all daughter's college education, who now thinks she knows everything because she's lived on her own for a few months (albeit in a dorm room paid for by her parents and eating food and reading textbooks and working on a laptop also funded by her parents). 

 

This phenomenon is not uncommon (that girl was ME 15 years ago) and not unforgivable because most kids grow out of it by 4th year of college and are eternally grateful for what their parents have given them and have a little more perspective on all that they don't know, that they never even knew they didn't know. Maci is 26 and yet to grow out of that phase. 

 

 

Eta: @lezlers- you're right, she was very young when the show started, and a lot of her behaviors could be excused for that reason. But I think Maci is not really growing up much and is still emotionally a 17 year old. I thought that was particularly driven home during the whole Farrah debacle, and I'm not just talking about her stomping off for 30 seconds and threatening to quit the show. I thought it was beyond shitty during a recent reunion when Amber stormed the stage threatening physical violence to Farrah and is hustled off the stage and Maci comes up and pats Amber on the back and is wholly sympathetic- to Amber. Amber was in the wrong! Yet because Maci dislikes Farrah, she was treating Amber like the victim. I just don't see a lot of integrity in Maci. 

You’re turning into one of those PTV posters that I actively look forward to reading from. Along with @GreatKazu , @SPLAIN @ghoulina And @mamadrama. 

Keep up the good and insiteful work ?

I feel like I just gave nominations for a PTV award show for best posters. If I left out anyone, there’s always next season as I can’t remember everyone until coffee is finished.

[Tatum]

8 hours ago, Lm2162 said:

 

But Maci? Girl was not having one beer during a craving or a glass of red wine on a birthday. That was just ridiculous. She was bingeing her face off. Absolutely drowning herself in hard booze. And while she might have a problem, I really think she's just hardcore partying, which is even worse because I doubt she has a chemical dependency or something. She's just selfish and excessive and STILL considers herself superior. To everybody.

That's what I don't like about her. 

 

8 hours ago, mamadrama said:

But Maci? Girl. She was photographed drinking while pregnant. I pull a lot of shenanigans but I try not to get photo proof of them because, you know, people will talk at the very least. If she couldn't do that shit in the privacy of her own home and had to partake in alcohol while she was out and doing stuff in public, that's an issue. 

This is what is SO WEIRD to me about the whole thing. Maci self edits like no one's business while filming Teen Mom, yet she doesn't care about being seen taking SHOTS while pregnant? Like that wouldn't come out in a few months when she does announce her pregnancy? She couldn't have drank water at the Teen Mom party and ducked into the bathroom with a vodka shot? (Not endorsing this plan, just saying that's what I would think someone who shouldn't be drinking but had to drink would do).

 

Maci's explanation was that she was living like a non pregnant woman because she didn't know she was pregnant. Didn't recognize the signs despite already having been pregnant twice. Also, Maci (not pregnant) is a size 0 on a heavy day. She also is the type of woman who loses her pregnancy weight and body approximately 8 seconds after giving birth. Looking at pictures of her from Dec, she clearly had gained weight from when she was filmed at Cate's wedding a few months earlier, when she would have been 3 months post partum. You can't tell me Maci didn't notice she was gaining weight, all in the mid section.

 

Maci also admitted she was not on birth control. I don't care how out of whack your hormones are after being post partum, you get yourself on birth control, and if you don't, you either live your life like you're pregnant or you take a damn pregnancy test every week to make sure you're not pregnant. You don't have unprotected sex with regularity, refuse to take a pregnancy test, despite all signs pointing to a pregnancy, and then say you didn't know. Willfull ignorance is not a defense. And Taylor is equally guilty of this, so I am not mom shaming. He was drinking with her and I am sure he knew (or didn't bother to ask) that no birth control was involved.

 

So, she had to know. But why flaunt it? If it were not for the instance at the Teen Mom party, when IVs were brought in for all the girls, I would speculate that maybe, Maci intentionally posed with beer bottles while pregnant as a way to throw people off about her pregnancy. At the time, it was her 3rd oops, her second inside of a 12 month period, and her boyfriend was refusing to marry her despite her openly begging him to do so. With her obviously changing body, she may have thought that pregnancy speculation was coming, and she wanted to head it off for awhile. But I do not see how she faked drinking shots at a party and faked needing medical attention the next day. I mean, sure, maybe she paid the journalist $100 to plant the story to throw people off, but that seems a little far fetched. Plus, if the whole drinking while pregnant was an elaborate ruse to retain some privacy until she was ready to announce it, you'd think she'd say so. Weird.

Edited December 18, 2017 by Tatum