S06.E10: Goodbye is Always Implied

[2727]

Nighthorse's problems at the casino escalate. Walt gets an unexpected visitor. An inevitable confrontation leads to lives changed.

[ali59]

Well, they went "there."

All in all I like the wrap up.  I'm not even totally upset about Vic & Longmire getting together.  I really loved the scenery at the end.  I might have loved that better than the show itself.

[snowwhyte]

I enjoyed the ending. It seemed to leave everyone in a good place and I will attempt to suppress my cynicism about how well things would have worked in the long run.

[sharifa70]

I rolled my eyes over yet another Henry-in-Jeopardy storyline. I also can’t believe this was the first season that I noticed how many damn times in every freaking episode that one of the men (and sometimes more than one in each episode) swanned in and told Cady and or Vic what she needed. The race being one of the more egregiously presumptuous things - “you don’t need grief counseling, you need to run a race a month after you almost died from a gunshot wound to your leg.” “Oh, Cady, you’re not a cop and you’ve never shown any interest in being one, but you should totally be the sheriff.”

I’m not sure how I feel about Henry taking over the casino, but at least we know he won’t cut corners. 

Edited November 18, 2017 by sharifa70

[NeenerNeener]

It was an ok ending, I guess, although I'll never believe Vic and Walt as a couple, probably because Walt was playing surrogate father to Vic and Branch and all their daddy issues. He really should have stayed with the psychiatrist, and she might have figured out why he kept hiring all those deputies with emotional problems.

[snowwhyte]

I think most people without emotional problems would run away from that job which was why I was a bit annoyed that Cady agreed to stay and run for Sheriff. I thought her tears were tears of frustration because she ended up trapped again when freedom was in sight.

I don't object to Walt and Vic as much because it felt like Vic matured a little this season but I did object to Cady as Sheriff. A young, attractive, educated woman with no law enforcement background is going to run for Sheriff in Wyoming and win just because her dad was sheriff? Maybe she would lose and head to the city to at least try the life she thought she wanted. If she decides to come back to Wyoming that's fine but at least she could go see what's out there for her.

[NeenerNeener]

4 hours ago, snowwhyte said:

A young, attractive, educated woman with no law enforcement background is going to run for Sheriff in Wyoming and win just because her dad was sheriff?

Yeah, that made no sense. And on top of that, if she wins she becomes her boyfriend's boss, or is that not a problem in Wyoming? The writers side-stepped any HR problems with Vic and Walt hooking up by having him quit immediately after. Poor Zach may be out of a job again if Cady wins.

Edited November 19, 2017 by NeenerNeener

[DianeG]

18 hours ago, ali59 said:

I really loved the scenery at the end.  I might have loved that better than the show itself.

I watched Longmire mostly for the cinematography.  It's the most beautiful show I've ever seen, and no surprise that there were a number of cinematographers who also worked on Southland, another beautifully-shot show.

I also watched it out of order, but managed to catch every episode through mid-season 4, and then didn't care enough anymore to keep up.  I've read summaries and watched enough pieces of the rest not to feel like I've missed enough to go back.  Even in this last season, I skipped episodes 3 and 4.

When it was good, it was very good, and the actors were almost always strong (great secondary characters - Beverly was my favorite this season), but there was a lot of meh.

I think I'll keep my alternate version, which starts when SPOILERS

[DianeG]

21 minutes ago, DianeG said:

I watched Longmire mostly for the cinematography.  It's the most beautiful show I've ever seen, and no surprise that there were a number of cinematographers who also worked on Southland, another beautifully-shot show.

I also watched it out of order, but managed to catch every episode through mid-season 4, and then didn't care enough anymore to keep up.  I've read summaries and watched enough pieces of the rest not to feel like I've missed enough to go back.  Even in this last season, I skipped episodes 3 and 4.

When it was good, it was very good, and the actors were almost always strong (great secondary characters - Beverly was my favorite this season), but there was a lot of meh.

I think I'll keep my alternate version, which starts when SPOILERS

Well, I don't know what I did to post before finishing...but my alternate version starts with Branch killing his father instead of vice versa, going even more crazy, but realizing that he needs to get out of this place to have any chance of happiness, doing so and becoming a better person with a good life.  Vic has her baby with Travis, but they do not become a couple, and neither do Walt and Vic (I had to turn away from the screen when that happened).  The lawsuit never happens (when the character assassination was going on, no one mentioned Barlow killed his own son?).  Walt continues as sheriff and becomes the good guy again rather than this paranoid, obsessed version.  Ferg continues to become a stronger person and better deputy (he still had a ways to go, in my opinion, so so whiny).  Cady stays lawyering (that becoming Sheriff was absurd), marries, has a couple of kids, and then gets divorced (I don't know why my brain went there), but is happy.  Ruby continues to be Ruby.  Lucien dies of old age a good dozen years later.  I did like Jacob Nighthorse finally getting his (I was hoping he would actually turn out to be the Big Bad), and Henry running the casino, apparently the only casino not giving their employees lung cancer from secondhand smoke (granted my experience with casinos is limited, but a non-smoking casino?  Since when).

[NeenerNeener]

DianeG, I like the way you think.

[HollyG]

4 hours ago, DianeG said:

Cady stays lawyering (that becoming Sheriff was absurd), marries, has a couple of kids, and then gets divorced (I don't know why my brain went there), but is happy. 

I've never been crazy with Vic & Walt ending up together, but the rest was ok except for.... Cady running for sheriff. My alternate ending for Cady would be that she goes off to find herself. If she discovers she is interested in law enforcement, she should join a police dept., gain experience and then come back if she wants to be sheriff. Running for sheriff with no law enforcement experience is ridiculous.

[babs1226]

I thought this season, like every other, was great.  I am sad that it was the last, but I think they did a good job of tying things up.  Very happy to see Malachi get what was coming to him.  I will miss this show.

[madam magpie]

I mostly enjoyed this season and really like Henry taking over the casino in the end, but damn. I felt so bad for Cady. Still stuck in Wyoming, and now what? She’s going to be the boss, so how’s she going to continue in a relationship with Zach? Ethically, she’d have to stop dating him or he’d have to quit. I really like them together. He’s so “no drama” and is one of the only men on the show who treats her like she has a right to make up her own mind and actually supports what she wants in life. I wish she’d left, even temporarily, and they’d tried to make a long-distance thing work. Now she’s just trapped again because her overbearing father can’t let her be who she wants to be, and she loves him too much to make a clean break.

Walt/Vic was ickier than I’d imagined and not romantic at all. Do they get together in the books?

The scenery sure is gorgeous, though. Wow.

6 hours ago, HollyG said:

I've never been crazy with Vic & Walt ending up together, but the rest was ok except for.... Cady running for sheriff. My alternate ending for Cady would be that she goes off to find herself. If she discovers she is interested in law enforcement, she should join a police dept., gain experience and then come back if she wants to be sheriff. Running for sheriff with no law enforcement experience is ridiculous.

That made no sense! She’s a lawyer. She’s never shown any interesting in being a cop, and she seemed to always like being a lawyer. But Walt needs a successor and Walt gets whatever he wants, so cop it is for Cady.

Edited November 20, 2017 by madam magpie

[Netfoot]

Well, I am a little disappointed at the Walt/Vic hookup.  I fast-forwarded through that scene because while I think Katee Sackhoff is attractive, I've come to really like Vic as a character, and didn't need to see flashes of her butt/boobs/whatever.  And while I know he is not universally loved, I also like Walt, warts and all.  I wouldn't have objected to their hooking up, if it had been worked in to the plot more believably.  In other words, from earlier, and more slowly.   This idea that after six seasons, they should suddenly start to get physical minutes before the grand finale?  No.  And besides, I was all set for the first show in the history of television to not go there!  Wouldn't that have been groundbreaking!

I'd say that it came off as a last minute gift to a fan-base clamouring for exactly that to happen.  (Like Shaw kissing Root in PoI, except they pulled it off far more believably.)  Thing is, I don't know of any such fan-clamouring.  Was there a large proportion of fans shipping Walt/Vic?

Again, Cady deciding to run for Sheriff on Walt's urging might have worked a bit better if she had had a little more exposure to law enforcement before now.  She did shoot that guy before, but a few more incidents where she helped the police and possibly was instrumental to some degree in foiling a few criminals (Cowboy Bill?) might have set her up with more of a basis for her bid for sheriff.  At least she should be able to call on Walt/Dad for advice/support until she gets on her feet.  Assuming she even wins the election!

Otherwise, I enjoyed the episode as I've enjoyed the entire show from S01E01.  I regret that there will be no more of the show, but I take solace in the pleasure it has given me.

Biggest surprise was Walt with his own cell-phone!  Didn't see that comin'!

[HollyG]

40 minutes ago, madam magpie said:

That made no sense! She’s a lawyer. She’s never shown any interesting in being a cop, and she seemed to always like being a lawyer. But Walt needs a successor and Walt gets whatever he wants, so cop it is for Cady.

I think she needs to go find herself, away from her dad. She seems adrift and swayed by other people's idea of who she is.

[madam magpie]

1 hour ago, HollyG said:

I think she needs to go find herself, away from her dad. She seems adrift and swayed by other people's idea of who she is.

I think it’s more that she’s very loyal and committed to her father and that she’s worried about what will happen if she’s not around to help him. I don’t think Cady’s so much adrift or confused about who she is, as she really needs Walt to give her the OK to leave him and go into the world (which he’d never do because he’s too scared and self-absorbed). Her commitment to her dad is admirable and one of her good qualities, but it’s also her Achilles heel. Walt zeroes in on that loyalty to get her to do what he thinks is best for her and them together, rather than what Cady actually wants for herself. She’s not selfish enough to just override him and do what she wants. Cady’s been pretty selfless throughout the show. She’s a bleeding heart who loves and wants to help people, often at a cost to herself. Zach and Henry (for the most part) didn’t take advantage of that. Walt always did. Jacob did sometimes. I feel like Branch was just an ass to her, but honestly I can’t remember. (I didn’t like him anyway.)

I find it hard to believe that Cady would like New York, honestly. And she didn’t need to go that far for something totally different. But I do think it’s sad that the show ended with her flat-out telling Zach what she wanted, his being totally supportive and encouraging, her making plans to do it, and then her dad pushing in and derailng her plans. I mean...Denver, Seattle, San Franciso, Chicago...you don’t have to go all the way to the extreme that is NY. But she made it clear that’s what she wanted to try, and I do wish the show had let her. Everyone else got exactly what they wanted.

Edited November 20, 2017 by madam magpie

[Paloma]

On 11/19/2017 at 10:20 AM, DianeG said:

Vic has her baby with Travis, but they do not become a couple, and neither do Walt and Vic (I had to turn away from the screen when that happened).

[#$@&%] I could see it coming for a long time but was still so angry when they went there with Walt and Vic that I had to literally walk out of the room. It wasn't believable and felt wrong in so many ways, and his quitting as sheriff did not change that.  There's still the age thing and the fact that he has always seemed  to treat her only as a colleague or somewhat paternally, until the writers decided to make it sexual. I was practically gagging at the horse-brushing scene with the suggestive touching and looks. 

To make it worse, the writers made Cady once again give up her dream (or at least her wish to leave Wyoming and see what was right for her). When she told Zach her plans to leave, I was happy to see a female character finally acting independently and not making her life revolve around what a man wants (whether father or romantic partner)--should have known it wouldn't last. I do like Zach's character and think they could make a good couple, but that could happen without her taking her father's place as sheriff! (And as has been said above, how can they be a couple if she is his boss?)

I loved the first 5 seasons but was sorely disappointed with this one, and not just for these reasons. Overall, it was too melodramatic, with unbelievable situations and too much talky exposition.

[snowwhyte]

So Walt retires from an important job that requires him to be contactable at all times and decides that the time is right to finally get a cell phone?

[Paloma]

11 minutes ago, snowwhyte said:

So Walt retires from an important job that requires him to be contactable at all times and decides that the time is right to finally get a cell phone?

LOL! Well, I guess Vic insisted on being able to contact him now that they are lovers!

[2727]

2 hours ago, Paloma said:

... now that they are lovers!

Gack! Trigger warning!

[notcreative enough]

The houses in this show are absolutely magnificent. Ew Walt and Vic. I knew it was going to happen but I really wish it didn't happen. 

I have a bunch of questions so here it goes 

1. What ever happened to the rapist from last year that was hiding at some guys house a county over?

2. Why did we never see the cult family after they killed Chance? Walt sure did make a huge deal about them being so dangerous but they never did anything to Vic or Walt.

3. The toy that was left at the trailer park that Walt shot was that from the family? I couldn't tell. He shot it to make sure it wouldn't blow up and it had a note in it. But he fixed it and gave to to Vic and acted like he was super thoughtful. So did he try and pass of a cult gift or did someone steal it from his house and put it in the box. 

4. So what exactly is Nighthorse in jail for? Taking drug money for the casino? I can't tell if he truly broke the law or it's just Walt's extreme hatred of Nighthorse. I spent half the season saying "fuck you Walt you blind bastard." Maybe my dislike of Walt blinded me.

5. It's not a question but I really wished the shady mayor got some type of comeuppance for trying to steal Walt's land. And I wish we got to see his face when the Barlow plan failed.

[Paloma]

1 hour ago, notcreative enough said:

The toy that was left at the trailer park that Walt shot was that from the family? I couldn't tell. He shot it to make sure it wouldn't blow up and it had a note in it. But he fixed it and gave to to Vic and acted like he was super thoughtful.

I am still confused about who sent this toy and what it was meant to signify. It seemed creepy but maybe it was actually a good-bye gift and note from Travis?

1 hour ago, notcreative enough said:

It's not a question but I really wished the shady mayor got some type of comeuppance for trying to steal Walt's land. And I wish we got to see his face when the Barlow plan failed.

That would have been good. He was probably relieved he didn't end up dead like the lawyer.

[madam magpie]

Oh, man...I just thought I’d looked away and missed who sent the farm toy, and then was too lazy to go back and look. Do we really not know??

[Melissa56789]

Quote

The toy that was left at the trailer park that Walt shot was that from the family? I couldn't tell. He shot it to make sure it wouldn't blow up and it had a note in it. But he fixed it and gave to to Vic and acted like he was super thoughtful.

 

Answer from reddit user:    If you pause and look at the paper Walt finds inside the barn, you'll see that it's a receipt from a (probably fictional) place called Bidtoys.com. Vic ordered it herself, and the note on the back was from the previous owner selling a no longer needed toy online and kindly wishing the new owner joy of it.

This is why Walt goes to so much trouble to fix the bullet hole, and why he brings it out later on to try to get Vic to admit that the baby was not something that she didn't feel was "real" after all...he knew she needed to admit the truth and have some catharsis...and boy, does she ever. Beautifully acted emotional meltdown scene by Katee Sackhoff.

[Paloma]

Thank you, Melissa56789! Not understanding where the toy was from and what it meant was driving me crazy!

[roughing it]

Quote

Henry running the casino, apparently the only casino not giving their employees lung cancer from secondhand smoke (granted my experience with casinos is limited, but a non-smoking casino?  Since when).

Casinos in Colorado are non-smoking.  And they are packed with people.

Off-topic:  when streaming Netflix, our feed stops several times an episode and has to rebuild with the endless spinning circle. Sometimes we have to exit Netflix and try again. Does anyone experience this? And how to fix it?

[luvmylabs]

22 hours ago, roughing it said:

Casinos in Colorado are non-smoking.  And they are packed with people.

Off-topic:  when streaming Netflix, our feed stops several times an episode and has to rebuild with the endless spinning circle. Sometimes we have to exit Netflix and try again. Does anyone experience this? And how to fix it?

What we do is pause the show while it is running and wait a few minutes.  Then we press play.  This usually works for us.  Don't know why!

[roughing it]

^^^ thanks for the tip. We'll try it next time.

[Pallida]

That sounds like a buffering issue where Netflix is trying to make sure you have at least decent quality video but is struggling with your internet speed/bandwidth. If you think your internet shouldn't be a problem, you may want to contact your isp.

Not every jurisdiction requires an elected sheriff to have law enforcement experience (I dislike that pretty strongly....), so now I'm curious about Wyoming. I did find that hired peace officers have to be attend a Peace Officer Basic training - but I don't know about elected sheriffs. I don't see Cady fairing well in an election though. She couldn't handle the push back from the reservation community, but politics are even more brutal. I guess this is a way to keep her nearby though.

I got more and more frustrated by Walt's treatment of Nighthorse - but maybe that was the point? Nighthorse unquestionably did shady things, but I never believed he'd be willing to bring heroin to his people. The fact that Walt didn't step back and think about that until the very end should have been a clue that he was at the bitter, burnout stage. 

[dubbel zout]

I hated Walt and Vic sleeping together, but at least the show waited until the latter part of the last episode. And it’s not a given they become a couple. I’m OK with that. The cell phone cracked me up. Way to join the modern world, Walt, when fewer people are trying to get a hold of you.

 The Henry thing was unlikely, but he seemed happy. Cady as sheriff is ridiculous.

[HavartiHead42]

On 11/19/2017 at 8:20 AM, DianeG said:

 Vic has her baby with Travis, but they do not become a couple, and neither do Walt and Vic (I had to turn away from the screen when that happened). 

Me too!  It was even worse than the blood and guts things I usually look away from, and it went on FORever.

Probably a minority opinion, but I would have preferred to see Vic and Travis be a thing. Having him leave made off screen with no explanation was so lazy. 

I think I have a girl crush on Cassidy Freeman. She looked exceptionally amazing in the last episode. 

[Daltrey]

On ‎2017‎-‎11‎-‎19 at 7:06 PM, Netfoot said:

Well, I am a little disappointed at the Walt/Vic hookup.  I fast-forwarded through that scene because while I think Katee Sackhoff is attractive, I've come to really like Vic as a character, and didn't need to see flashes of her butt/boobs/whatever.  And while I know he is not universally loved, I also like Walt, warts and all.  I wouldn't have objected to their hooking up, if it had been worked in to the plot more believably.  In other words, from earlier, and more slowly.   This idea that after six seasons, they should suddenly start to get physical minutes before the grand finale?  No.  And besides, I was all set for the first show in the history of television to not go there!  Wouldn't that have been groundbreaking!

I'd say that it came off as a last minute gift to a fan-base clamouring for exactly that to happen.  (Like Shaw kissing Root in PoI, except they pulled it off far more believably.)  Thing is, I don't know of any such fan-clamouring.  Was there a large proportion of fans shipping Walt/Vic?

Again, Cady deciding to run for Sheriff on Walt's urging might have worked a bit better if she had had a little more exposure to law enforcement before now.  She did shoot that guy before, but a few more incidents where she helped the police and possibly was instrumental to some degree in foiling a few criminals (Cowboy Bill?) might have set her up with more of a basis for her bid for sheriff.  At least she should be able to call on Walt/Dad for advice/support until she gets on her feet.  Assuming she even wins the election!

Otherwise, I enjoyed the episode as I've enjoyed the entire show from S01E01.  I regret that there will be no more of the show, but I take solace in the pleasure it has given me.

Biggest surprise was Walt with his own cell-phone!  Didn't see that comin'!

Yeah, pretty much this in it's entirety. I never bought Waltoria for a second and the minute they started making overtures in that direction I thought "oh come on, what is this BS?". Glad to see there are a number of us here that agree. If anything, I was hoping for a reveal of Travis as the father and them both maturing and bonding over the loss but nope, Travis' story ends with a broken heart, meltdown disappearance, c'est la vie.

Honestly, I found the idea of Cady running for sheriff a far more believable premise than that of Walt and Vic falling in love. Sure, she's not a cop, but being a lawyer she probably knows the law as well, if not better, than half of Walt's entire staff when they started. Vic was already a cop in Philly when she transferred/moved and he hired her. How much training did Ferg have when he was hired, was he ever a cop somewhere else? Zack said he loved being a cop, but the only time he ever was, happened to be when Walt hired him for five minutes. For that matter, how much law enforcement experience did Walt have himself when Lucian hired HIM all those years ago? Is that really how county sheriff offices operate? Contrary to what most seem to think, I would say Cady running for sheriff falls more on the realistic side for me than does Walt and Vic's relationship, though I could see her only doing it for an indeterminate amount of time before deciding once again to pursue bigger things. 

[Daltrey]

2 hours ago, HavartiHead42 said:

Probably a minority opinion, but I would have preferred to see Vic and Travis be a thing. Having him leave made off screen with no explanation was so lazy. 

I think I have a girl crush on Cassidy Freeman. She looked exceptionally amazing in the last episode.

I am also most likely in the minority on this; I felt at times that Vic was starting to come around to seeing Travis' potential, even if he wasn't always the smartest, most suave guy around.

 

As a guy who hasn't always found her to be the most attractive to me, personally, I have to concur; She was looking quite exceptionally fine!

[dubbel zout]

I don’t blame Travis for bailing. Everything he did made Vic mad, even if his heart was in the right place. I wouldn’t want to wait for her to come around either. She treated him pretty badly.

[Daltrey]

Oh, I don't blame him either, she treated him horribly most of the time. I just felt there were moments leading up to her bringing him breakfast only to learn he had left that showed her softening and warming up to him. It was just too little, too late.

[Clanstarling]

On 11/19/2017 at 6:32 PM, madam magpie said:

Walt/Vic was ickier than I’d imagined and not romantic at all. Do they get together in the books?

Yup, out on the range there's nothing so sexy as open wound sex. When her fingers started straying toward the wound, I was all "no, nope, don't do that!" At least put a fricking bandage on.

On 11/19/2017 at 7:06 PM, Netfoot said:

I'd say that it came off as a last minute gift to a fan-base clamouring for exactly that to happen.  (Like Shaw kissing Root in PoI, except they pulled it off far more believably.)  Thing is, I don't know of any such fan-clamouring.  Was there a large proportion of fans shipping Walt/Vic?

I don't think so. I haven't read the books, but I think I've heard that in the books they do get together. Maybe they wanted to give another nod to the source material.

On 11/19/2017 at 8:08 PM, madam magpie said:

I find it hard to believe that Cady would like New York, honestly. And she didn’t need to go that far for something totally different. But I do think it’s sad that the show ended with her flat-out telling Zach what she wanted, his being totally supportive and encouraging, her making plans to do it, and then her dad pushing in and derailng her plans. I mean...Denver, Seattle, San Franciso, Chicago...you don’t have to go all the way to the extreme that is NY. But she made it clear that’s what she wanted to try, and I do wish the show had let her. Everyone else got exactly what they wanted.

Me too. I thought, for a moment, that this was going to be a scene that paralleled Vic and her Dad - and she'd follow Zach's advice to just say she's leaving. But nope. 

On 11/26/2017 at 0:22 PM, Pallida said:

I don't see Cady fairing well in an election though. She couldn't handle the push back from the reservation community, but politics are even more brutal. I guess this is a way to keep her nearby though.

She's never seemed particularly astute, politically. The child kidnapping was a shining example of her not even coming close to understanding the public will. Politicians - and sheriffs are politicians - need to be able to understand their constituents, not to mention being able to work with City Hall - which just hit me, a county sheriff wouldn't typically be beholden to the mayor of a city - but the government of the county. Which are two separate entities. At least that's the way it is in our county and city (my city is the county seat, but the governments are separate). 

All that being said, I did like it for the most part. I did not care for Vic and Walt, and my eyes hurt from all the eye rolling I did with Vic's various speeches and her worry overdrive when they were doing their job.  

But I liked most of the wrap up. 

One minor, trivial note. I kind of liked how Mathias had to lean back to look up at Cady in the scene at Jacob's house. I'd never noticed their height difference before, and generally they try to minimize that onscreen. But being of short stature, I felt the pain of arching back to look up. LOL.

[gaucho91]

I was very underwhelmed with this final season.  I thought the writing took a dive in quality and some of the dialogue was cheesy.

I couldn’t believe that Vic never had a final conversation with Travis.  That seemed strange.    

And what about the mayor?  Are we supposed to believe that he was suddenly pro Walt after the court case was dropped?  There should have been one more scene between him and Walt whether they resolved their differences or not. 

As soon as I saw Wallace Langham in a 2 second scene in episode 9 I knew he would end up being the bad guy.  Anyone else notice him? 

 All casinos in Delaware are smoke free, as well as every other public building.

Edited November 28, 2017 by gaucho91

[Clanstarling]

9 hours ago, gaucho91 said:

As soon as I saw Wallace Langham in a 2 second scene in episode 9 I knew he would end up being the bad guy.  Anyone else notice him? 

I did indeed. 

[luvmylabs]

On 11/26/2017 at 3:22 PM, Pallida said:

That sounds like a buffering issue where Netflix is trying to make sure you have at least decent quality video but is struggling with your internet speed/bandwidth. If you think your internet shouldn't be a problem, you may want to contact your isp.

Not every jurisdiction requires an elected sheriff to have law enforcement experience (I dislike that pretty strongly....), so now I'm curious about Wyoming. I did find that hired peace officers have to be attend a Peace Officer Basic training - but I don't know about elected sheriffs. I don't see Cady fairing well in an election though. She couldn't handle the push back from the reservation community, but politics are even more brutal. I guess this is a way to keep her nearby though.

I got more and more frustrated by Walt's treatment of Nighthorse - but maybe that was the point? Nighthorse unquestionably did shady things, but I never believed he'd be willing to bring heroin to his people. The fact that Walt didn't step back and think about that until the very end should have been a clue that he was at the bitter, burnout stage. 

It is a buffering issue and if you can't get more speed, sometimes the pause thing works.

[LakeGal]

I wasn't crazy about all the time devoted to the Vic & Walt scenes in the final episode.  It seemed to go on and on.  I was checking to see how much time was left.  I was afraid the series was going to end with their scenes.

I was disappointed we never got to see the Mayor's reaction to Walt winning his case.  They really dropped the ball on that.

While watching the episode with Bob in the bar with Walt.  (Where Walt offered Bob a job and he hugged Walt.)  I told LakeGuy that I thought Bob was the bank robber.  LakeGuy laughed at me and said it is Cowboy Bill not Cowboy Bob.  But I thought he had the right body type and he needed money.  I was able to really enjoy the reveal that Bob was the bank robber.  

I think I am going to miss this series.  I have found myself thinking about the show a lot in the last few days since I finished it.

[Reishe]

On 11/19/2017 at 10:06 PM, Netfoot said:

I wouldn't have objected to their hooking up, if it had been worked in to the plot more believably.  In other words, from earlier, and more slowly.  

They've been laying this out for a long time. Vic's been carrying a torch since that episode (I forget which season, but I think it's when he first hooked up with the first blonde) when she spruced herself up and showed up at Walt's door all fake-casual with a six-pack of his favorite beer to suggest they "hang out," and her meltdown when she thought the crazy kidnapping family had killed Walt was also an indicator. I think that Walt's hyperprotectiveness re: Vic in later seasons was supposed to indicate he was starting to let himself have feelings for her as well. (Yes, it can also be read as fatherly, I'm just saying the writers probably intended it to signal he felt this way.) I'm not saying I wanted it to happen, watching the two of them together, I never wanted them to be a couple, but whatchagonna do. 

On 11/19/2017 at 10:06 PM, Netfoot said:

Biggest surprise was Walt with his own cell-phone!

I was so happy at this. 

Add my voice to the chorus of disappointed people over Cady's story line. But then again, I've hated Cady's plotline from the beginning. She's supposed to be bright, and we know she has a Longmire heart and wants to help people, but omg she's been so clueless the whole time. She finally admits that maybe her one-woman crusade to help the Cheyenne might have been premature b/c she hasn't learned about them. But if she wants to help them, and enjoyed helping them before--why not try to learn more about them? Go out in the community and meet the families?* Read a book about the culture, or ask people? And surely there must be some lawyers or law offices dealing with Indians in a similar capacity, so could she not work for them for a while and learn the ropes? Just b/c she fell on her face this first time, and Jacob pulled a lot of her funding, doesn't mean she couldn't do that kind of work, work that would seem to be well suited for her. 

Finally, mad props on the music choices, really throughout the series, but this season in particular. They were well chosen, and I found myself hitting the Shazam app on a regular basis to look up the songs. 

*ETA as I think about it more, well, she was pretty much persona non grata on the rez, so maybe that ship has sailed, but you know what I mean...

Edited December 3, 2017 by Reishe

[SimoneS]

I just finished watching the whole season. I am putting all my thoughts here because honestly, I cannot remember which episode was which other than the last couple.

Great final season with an excellent series finale. I enjoyed it a lot. The characters were solid and the acting from a strong cast was very good as usual. I will miss these characters. I think that show could have gone a couple more seasons, but as the show snarkily pointed out if you are outside that 18 to 49 demo, it is pretty much done when it comes to tv/media.

I was glad that Walt learned from seeing what Lucien did to himself. Finally giving into his feelings for Vic, retiring, going treasure hunting, and getting a cell phone will make him very happy. 

It was good to see Vic happy and smiling at the end. She had a good season. I was glad that they gave a lot of focus to her skills as a cop because she is good it. I wasn't thrilled her pregnancy story because I was annoyed that the baby wasn't Walt's. 

IMO, Walt and Vic have chemistry and I am glad that they finally got together. I think that they would have been a strong couple, but the show did that thing that annoys me, they stalled and then put them together in the final episode. It is so unrealistic that two people who are attracted to each other working so close together wouldn't have been gotten together long ago. If Vic had been pregnant by Walt and lost their baby the story would have been more compelling.

I agree that Cady's story was weak, but IMO, it didn't work because it was unbelievable. Cady grew up near the rez and Henry was her father's best friend. I can't believe that she wouldn't know a whole lot more about Cheyenne culture or have friends among the Cheyenne. However, she did get with hot Barry Sloane's character and will be the next the Sheriff. I have no problem believing that she will be elected overwhelmingly, after all she doesn't have an law office enforcement experience so the voters will probably flock to her.

While I liked Henry's story, I would have liked to see him have a romance. He is a good looking man. I don't find it believable that women aren't knocking on his door. However, it was great to see him running the casino. I think he will give more to the Cheyenne in that role than being Hector.

The writing for Jacob was nuanced and on point. A Martinez did a great job portraying man who cared about his people, but who had crossed too many lines to accumulate wealth. He totally redeemed himself when he did the recording to save Henry and then handed the casino over to him. I liked Walt coming around to see that Henry running the casino was best for the Cheyenne.

Usually I hate overly clever and long surviving villains, but Malachi is the exception. He has always brought the menacing evil in such a believable way (yes, I am snarking on you, TWD). Of course, it helps that Graham Greene is a talented actor.

I wish we had see a bit of Mathias' future in the final montage. I liked him more than Ferg.

Edited December 6, 2017 by SimoneS

[Gothish520]

Just finished the series and I'm happy as a clam. That was a satisfying finale. I've only skimmed the comments, but I will say that I don't think there's a need to feel sorry for Cady, and I don't really believe that she's trapped - she wants a purpose and wants to make a difference. No way she would be happy working at some law firm in New York City. Plus, hello, Zack? Get it girl! I really liked his character and I'm glad they brought him back.

I've always been on board with Walt and Vic getting together, so that was nice. And it wasn't a "happily-ever-after" hearts and flowers situation - there will be some bumps for sure. But it was so nice to see Walt happy. And answering his own cell phone as the final scene? I loved it.

Great writing, great performances, gorgeous scenery - this series was a very enjoyable ride. 

Edited December 8, 2017 by Gothish520

[ratSenoL]

Well, it's over.  There were a lot of good things in this episode and season, and a number of not so good ones.  

Many of you have hit on the things that were not so good, especially Cady's depiction in this season. Bottom line is she's not ready to be sheriff. I think there will come a day when she is ready, but the end of this episode is not that day.  She needs to figure out who SHE is, Cady Longmire, not Walt/Martha Longmire's daughter. When she has had time to do that (and lear a lot more about the Cheyenne!), she'll be ready. 

In many states, sheriffs are elected and do not necessarily need to be law enforcement to get elected.  (Though, FWIW, in the books, Walt came from a military police background, so that's where he got his experience. I just finished Another Man's Moccasins, where he his time as a Marine investigator in Vietnam was explored as part of a storyline. He was just as "Walt" there, LOL.)

Don't get me started about Walt usurping tribal traditions for his own ends, however noble his justifications for them, like Vic needing to finish the triathlon to help heal. It's still tone deaf at best.

I'm meh about Vic & Walt, but wasn't surprised.  I did enjoy the scene where he was teaching her to care for a horse.  But then Walt turned around and retired and went treasure hunting, giving Vic space to figure out here next moves (like run for sheriff, cough cough). In the books, they do get together (at Vic's instigation), so perhaps the show runners felt they had to go there.

One of the things I enjoyed about the series is watching the Indian and white characters dance--back and forth--toward greater understanding--and eventually respect--for each other. In particular, in the beginning Walt and Matthias were at odds over everything and avoided working together even when it would have served the cause. Now, they work side by side as a team.  I really like it when characters actually grow within a series, and they all did here to greater and lesser degrees. Even Walt. So, all in all, I'll have to give this series a B. I will miss the very strong acting performances, the not so typical mystery storylines, and the cinematography. 

(If you are having buffering issues with Netflix, it is most likely that your Internet speed is inconsistent, though it could also be too slow. The first thing you should do when experiencing buffering with any streaming service is to unplug your router/modem for at least 60 seconds to reboot it and force it to reconnect with the Internet pipeline. You may find that your buffering troubles go away after rebooting.  If they do not, then let your Internet provider know that you have having speed consistency and buffering issues.  You may need a new router/modem or there may be issues with the lines coming in to your house.  I speak from experience.)

See y'all.

[Paloma]

On 12/23/2017 at 10:29 AM, ratSenoL said:

In the books, they do get together (at Vic's instigation), so perhaps the show runners felt they had to go there.

Too bad, I had been thinking about reading the books but I really hate the Vic/Walt romance so knowing this makes it less likely I will read them--unless in the books they are closer in age and the relationship develops more organically, without the paternal vibe that I got from Walt in the series until close to the end. The way it happened in the series just seemed so forced, and I especially disliked the horse brushing scene because it just screamed "This is how we (the writers) are going to change Walt's feelings from paternal/platonic to sexual chemistry and romantic love."

Aside from that, I enjoyed this unique series and most of this season.

[AriesGirl64]

10 hours ago, Paloma said:

Too bad, I had been thinking about reading the books but I really hate the Vic/Walt romance so knowing this makes it less likely I will read them--unless in the books they are closer in age and the relationship develops more organically, without the paternal vibe that I got from Walt in the series until close to the end. The way it happened in the series just seemed so forced, and I especially disliked the horse brushing scene because it just screamed "This is how we (the writers) are going to change Walt's feelings from paternal/platonic to sexual chemistry and romantic love."

Aside from that, I enjoyed this unique series and most of this season.

Walt is older in the books as he’s a Vietnam vet. He’s about 15 years older than TV Walt. Book Vic is about the same age as the TV version, so more likely a 30+ year age difference. 

[Paloma]

7 hours ago, AriesGirl64 said:

Walt is older in the books as he’s a Vietnam vet. He’s about 15 years older than TV Walt. Book Vic is about the same age as the TV version, so more likely a 30+ year age difference. 

Oh, no, that is even worse!

[ratSenoL]

I'm only up to the fourth book, but I'd definitely say the relationship progresses much more slowly, and it's not a big part of the story by any means. I'd say Walt is pretty ambivalent about the relationship (Vic as girlfriend), as he discusses it with Henry, but he makes plans to ask Vic out on a real date.  Also, Vic is so different in the books than she is in the series, so it's a tad more logical. The Vic of the books is tougher and worldlier, yet still a bit of fish out of water after going from Philly to Wyoming.  I like the Vic in the books a lot; not so much the one in the series.  They really toned her down in the series. Also in the book, Walt is grooming her to become the next sheriff so that he can retire.  Cady is barely on the books until the third one, and she's in Philly there.

If you like the character of Walt, and you like a good mystery set in less typical settings, I would definitely give the books a shot.  They're way better than the series, as is usually the case.

[SimoneS]

I have read several of Longmire novels.  I don't find them engrossing, but they are an okay read. I much prefer Tony Hillerman's books which are in the same genre as well as the Longmire tv series. Based on most of the comments here, the people who dislike Vic aren't going to like the character in the books where she is even tougher. However, unlike the tv series, Walt and Vic's relationship isn't the focal point of the books which are worth the read.

 

On 12/25/2017 at 2:25 PM, Paloma said:

Too bad, I had been thinking about reading the books but I really hate the Vic/Walt romance so knowing this makes it less likely I will read them--unless in the books they are closer in age and the relationship develops more organically, without the paternal vibe that I got from Walt in the series until close to the end. The way it happened in the series just seemed so forced, and I especially disliked the horse brushing scene because it just screamed "This is how we (the writers) are going to change Walt's feelings from paternal/platonic to sexual chemistry and romantic love."

Aside from that, I enjoyed this unique series and most of this season.

I think that the show has always played Walt's attraction to Vic more subtle than her attraction to him, but it has always been there from the start. Like the scenes, where we see Walt's heightened awareness that Vic was in the room next door when they stayed at the motel. The show definitely pulled back in season 4, but I thought it was clear that Walt's attraction to Vic started to resurface in season 5 as the relationship with Donna went nowhere. However, I do blame the writing for playing games with the relationship.

Edited December 29, 2017 by SimoneS

[Magic]

On 11/19/2017 at 6:32 PM, madam magpie said:

Walt/Vic was ickier than I’d imagined and not romantic at all. 

 

I am among the Walt/Vic couldn't watch, eye rolling, ickier than I imagined, including the open would sex.  Agree with those who got the paternal vibe from Walt to Vic, which given how pushy/controlling her own father was, seemed something that might feed into Vic's "attraction" to Walt. Heck, Walt was more paternal to Vic than he was to Cady.  I am very thankful the series didn't quite end with their scenes.  

I could see Henry enjoying his new job.  He is a helper as much as Cady.  He was so much glue to help tie so many parts together although its true that he was always in one potential life ending jam after another, lol.

I came to not dislike Nighthorse.  He cut corners but not for all the things Walt thought he did.  And I think he had the right goals in mind even if he thought the ends justified the means at times.  But not really, as far as I could tell, in anything except finances, e.g. no murder, etc. And I really like the way Mathias developed into helping out while still keeping the edge and mistrust that kind of seems necessary.

I loved Cady/Zach.  Don't really see her giving up her future to run for sheriff, and why Walt would try to saddle her with a job which so obviously she is not emotionally or otherwise fit for, makes me wonder how much he really loves her after all.  He has always been kind of patronizing of what she wants, and even here saddles her with something he wants.  In the end, as through the series, Cady is one of the characters that never really progressed.  Always looked like a deer in the headlights because everything she started, ended up with a twist that was always too much for her to solve effectively.   At least she got Zach in the end, but she might even ruin that if she ends up winning the sheriff job.  And that is how all her choices seem to end for her.  

I'll miss the scenery too, and the music.  All in all, it was fun to watch and mostly enjoyable or interesting interactions among all the characters.  

ETA: I particularly loved the title for this, as the last episode in the series too.

Edited January 9, 2018 by Magic