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[madmaverick]

19 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Deadline has reviewed the show. It's not exactly glowing with praise, though does discuss what the should could be versus what is.

Having watched the show, I didn't see what that reviewer saw.  (But when's the last time a network show got more than faint praise from critics, eh?)  I actually thought Nolan was presented as quite a competent rookie.  With his mistakes naturally, but they showcased his abilities too for sure.  I didn't feel at all like it was a one sided ragging on the old incompetent guy. 

[break21]

The ratings were disappointing.  1.0 in the demo - hope it adjusts up.   I hate to say this, I love NF but t might be a bomb.  Having said that, it has a lot of distribution world-wide.  I think ABC will be patient with it.  Be interesting to see what the streaming ratings bring in.  

I loved it, but after all the publicity it received, should have done better.

[break21]

It didn't adjust up - stayed the same.

That is disappointing.   It might be a flop.

[TWP]

23 minutes ago, break21 said:

It didn't adjust up - stayed the same.

That is disappointing.   It might be a flop.

But it's in line with ABC's average, meaning a few other shows are much more likely to be cancelled. ABC is going to re-air Episode 1 in the old Castle time slot next week.  That may help it next Tuesday.  I thought for sure it was going to be a blockbuster the way that they were promoting it and are even now still promoting it with an additional episode airing.  But I can see if falling under the radar screen and then finding its way to Nexflix like Designated Survivor did.

[break21]

1 minute ago, TWP said:

But it's in line with ABC's average, meaning a few other shows are much more likely to be cancelled. ABC is going to re-air Episode 1 in the old Castle time slot next week.  That may help it next Tuesday.  I thought for sure it was going to be a blockbuster the way that they were promoting it and are even now still promoting it with an additional episode airing.  But I can see if falling under the radar screen and then finding its way to Nexflix like Designated Survivor did.

Yeah, but Designated Survivor had a good year before it tanked.   '

The ratings were bad,  As much as I  liked the show and like Nathan, it wasn't the ratings anyone expected.

When you are talking about a show ending up on Netflix after the first viewing that's not good.

I really liked it, but people just didn't tune in. 

[ketose]

3 hours ago, madmaverick said:

Having watched the show, I didn't see what that reviewer saw.  (But when's the last time a network show got more than faint praise from critics, eh?)  I actually thought Nolan was presented as quite a competent rookie.  With his mistakes naturally, but they showcased his abilities too for sure.  I didn't feel at all like it was a one sided ragging on the old incompetent guy. 

I think that guy West was portrayed worse. He totally froze when the bullets started to fly.

I'll be okay with a one and done season. How long can he be a rookie, anyway? I just wish networks would plan for more limited run program rather than this Hunger Games schedule where producers try to retool mid-season to hang on for a renewal. 

[break21]

1 minute ago, ketose said:

I think that guy West was portrayed worse. He totally froze when the bullets started to fly.

I'll be okay with a one and done season. How long can he be a rookie, anyway? I just wish networks would plan for more limited run program rather than this Hunger Games schedule where producers try to retool mid-season to hang on for a renewal. 

I think ABC has invested so much into this show and have so many international deals - they want this to work.

But, so the ratings aren't good, the executives at ABC are going to have more of a say in how the show goes, versus the show-runner and Nathan, and it will become a  mess trying to please everyone.

It stunned me a little it premiered that low.

If this fails, Nathan won't get a lead on Network TV again. 

He has a chance at Streaming Services.

Those low ratings were unexpected..  IMO - it was a good Pilot.  I think it started too late and New Amsterdam had a built-in audience,   

And despite how much of a fan I am,, people didn't turn the channel to watch Nathan Fillion.

And, it will be interesting to see the streaming numbers..

[TWP]

3 hours ago, break21 said:

I think ABC has invested so much into this show and have so many international deals - they want this to work.

But, so the ratings aren't good, the executives at ABC are going to have more of a say in how the show goes, versus the show-runner and Nathan, and it will become a  mess trying to please everyone.

It stunned me a little it premiered that low.

If this fails, Nathan won't get a lead on Network TV again. 

He has a chance at Streaming Services.

Those low ratings were unexpected..  IMO - it was a good Pilot.  I think it started too late and New Amsterdam had a built-in audience,   

And despite how much of a fan I am,, people didn't turn the channel to watch Nathan Fillion.

And, it will be interesting to see the streaming numbers..

I never thought I'd meet someone more pessimistic than me.  It's been a lifelong journey, but I'm glad I've finally found you ;-).

You said that if TR fails, Nathan won't get a lead on Network TV again? In what universe?  You might have said that after Firefly, or Drive, or even Castle with the cloud that fell over the show.  But here he is.  (And BTW, nobody from Castle has had phenomenal success with their own projects, except maybe Huertas and he literally only plays a small role in that success.  Castle was a package deal that any one of the players would and will have difficulty recreating again.).   

The critics have been mediocre about TR, but the one place where they've agreed is that Nathan stands out for his charisma and likeability.  Do you really think networks would never give a charismatic guy like him a chance again if this fails?   I don't.

ABC has invested heavily in this show. I think more likely ABC will let this go a season or a half a season, and if things go further south, they'll bring TR back with a new showrunner.  Why they keep giving Hawley work is a complete mystery to me.  But heh, second chances, that's what TR is about, even for Hawley, heh.

And regarding the low ratings, they were totally expected.  Everyone was talking about how Tuesday at 10:00pm is well known as ABC's death slot and it'll be a miracle if TR overcomes that curse.   Think what the ratings would be if A Million Little Things had aired in the spot.  The Rookie did no worse than the 2017 show in the slot and given that Nathan has more popularity than the star of Kevin (Probably) Saves the World, it's quite possible he'll do better.  Right now, TR is in second place for all 10pm shows on ABC.  My gawl,  Grim Reaper is the one who pointed that out, and he'd definitely say if the ratings were terrible.    I think putting TR in the death slot was a sign that ABC had confidence in Nathan.  I think this needs to play out.  And regarding streaming, actors love streaming.  If TR lasts two years and then goes 10 episodes a year in streaming, Nathan would likely be thrilled. He has actually been wanting that.

Oh and I should mention also that Castle struggled to get off the ground.  It was touch and go for a couple of seasons.  Yes, Castle's raw numbers were better, but it was a different time for TV viewing.

The streaming/DVR numbers won't matter to renewal at all, but maybe they'll make you feel better.  The rebroadcast on Monday, followed by another episode on Tuesday will be interesting. 

Hang in there.

[break21]

I worked in Network TV for awhile.  A lot of money went into that show and promotion budget was crazy.  .  I love Nathan but it underperformed.  He won't get another chance like this again.

I like Nathan too - but this was a big hit on his ability to lead a show.  It won't happen again.

He'll be fine - he's rich - if he never worked another day in his life he'd lead the life most of us would dream of.

For so me reason, this was DOA.  Didn't see it coming.   A lot of people invested a lot of money into this show and it didn't pan out.  

I suspect next episode will go fractional.   

[shapeshifter]

13 hours ago, TWP said:

The critics have been mediocre about TR, but the one place where they've agreed is that Nathan stands out for his charisma and likeability.  Do you really think networks would never give a charismatic guy like him a chance again if this fails?   I don't

Even if NF doesn't do another scripted show on any platform, his personality would always make him a favorite guest on talk shows. But I also think a cable or streaming scripted show might better serve his talents.

I thought from the beginning that it was a mistake to cast someone a little older than the character in this role. I can see why they thought that made sense, but, no. That mistake is not going to change.

But it seems the bigger issue is the unpleasantness of the characters' interactions. I assume the bullying by the superiors will dissipate into a team bond of at least begrudging mutual respect by mid season à la The Closer, but, understandably, it seems that in today's climate of vicious social media bashing, few viewers have the patience for that, and, perhaps more importantly, few have any reason to anticipate that.

Even if NF's character saves his boss's kitten from a hurricane in the second episode and they all sing Kumbaya, it might be too late.

Edited October 18, 2018 by shapeshifter

[break21]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Even if NF doesn't do another scripted show on any platform, his personality would always make him a favorite guest on talk shows. But I also think a cable or streaming scripted show might better serve his talents.

I thought from the beginning that it was a mistake to cast someone a little older than the character in this role. I can see why they thought that made sense, but, no. That mistake is not going to change.

But it seems the bigger issue is the unpleasantness of the characters' interactions. I assume the bullying by the superiors will dissipate into a team bond of at least begrudging mutual respect by mid season à la The Closer, but, understandably, it seems that in today's climate of vicious social media bashing, few viewers have the patience for that, and, perhaps more importantly, few have any reason to anticipate that.

Even if NF's character saves his boss's kitten from a hurricane in the second episode and they all sing Kumbaya, it might be too late.

Agree - I think he'd do better on a cable or a streaming service.  I think they made a mistake in hooking his character up with a much younger woman.   I didn't like that - a site said it was "creepy".   They are depending on older women to watch and that didn't help.

I really liked the pilot but it had problems.   And Deadline trashing it at the last moment didn't help.   

It has huge international sales so that might help if it does better in countries other than the U.S,

But, it's expensive to produce.  They have most of their scenes on-site and costs a lot of money.   

[stonehaven]

I think that airing it an hour earlier on Tuesday would have been better. I do think it's a good show..and i think ABC, if it's smart, will bide it's time, till it can sell it for syndication in a year or two. I think holding i off 'till Midseason would have been better...Right now, football and baseball are all over the networks...and it has all the other new shows to compete with. 

I will say, right now, God Friended Me and The Rookie are the only newbies to impress me..and I just discovered 9-1-1 last week and am catching up on Hulu.

[madmaverick]

On 10/18/2018 at 10:10 PM, shapeshifter said:

I thought from the beginning that it was a mistake to cast someone a little older than the character in this role. I can see why they thought that made sense, but, no. That mistake is not going to change.

Honestly, I don't get that pov at all.  TV is full of men and women in their 40s whose characters' age might be a little younger.  I really think the older you get, the less the difference a handful of years matters.

On 10/18/2018 at 10:10 PM, shapeshifter said:

But it seems the bigger issue is the unpleasantness of the characters' interactions. I assume the bullying by the superiors will dissipate into a team bond of at least begrudging mutual respect by mid season à la The Closer, but, understandably, it seems that in today's climate of vicious social media bashing, few viewers have the patience for that, and, perhaps more importantly, few have any reason to anticipate that.

Even if NF's character saves his boss's kitten from a hurricane in the second episode and they all sing Kumbaya, it might be too late.

But TV drama is largely generated by conflict.  If everyone got along in episode 1, where would the show go?  I honestly did not find the characters' interactions to be any different than one would expect in the environment they are depicting.  And there was a range of interactions, not every relationship was antagonistic. 

On 10/19/2018 at 1:10 AM, break21 said:

Agree - I think he'd do better on a cable or a streaming service.  I think they made a mistake in hooking his character up with a much younger woman.   I didn't like that - a site said it was "creepy".   They are depending on older women to watch and that didn't help.

I really liked the pilot but it had problems.   And Deadline trashing it at the last moment didn't help.   

It has huge international sales so that might help if it does better in countries other than the U.S,

But, it's expensive to produce.  They have most of their scenes on-site and costs a lot of money.   

I think that's making a lot of assumptions of what older or younger male and female viewers like or don't like to watch.   Something like the GoT is full of unconventional relationships and ugly behaviour, and it's the biggest hit on the planet.   Who cares about one bad review (that was completely off base imo)?  Shrugs.  Cable/streaming shows come without the ratings pressure but nowadays the quality can be quite variable too.

[break21]

Ratings went fractional.   I'd move it.  A repeat just about beat a new episode of Bull on Monday.

I'd move it.   

It's not getting cancelled anytime soon - too many international sales, but I'd move it.

[break21]

And,, it amazes me Fillion didn't promote it on twitter last night,, but sent a political tweet.   Have no idea what he's thinking.  If I were him, every tweet would be promoting the show.  

[madmaverick]

1 hour ago, break21 said:

And,, it amazes me Fillion didn't promote it on twitter last night,, but sent a political tweet.   Have no idea what he's thinking.  If I were him, every tweet would be promoting the show.  

He doesn't hard sell.  Whether you agree or not, he trusts that those who follow him on social media already know about the show as he's done multiple tweets about it.

And it wasn't so much a political tweet as a tweet about getting referenced on Stephen Colbert. Hell yeah, I'd tweet about that too.

Fillion's been in the game long enough now to know that there are any number of reasons why a show grabs an audience or not.  I'd dare say perhaps the better written series of his career are the ones that were more short lived. 

[break21]

Yeah, I like him and have followed him for awhile.  It just seems odd he didn't tweet the second episode when its in trouble and he rarely sends out a political tweet.

He "liked" a few people who asked if the show is getting cancelled.

I have a feeling something went really wrong with this show, but it can be saved.

Something is off.

[madmaverick]

3 minutes ago, break21 said:

Yeah, I like him and have followed him for awhile.  It just seems odd he didn't tweet the second episode when its in trouble and he rarely sends out a political tweet.

He "liked" a few people who asked if the show is getting cancelled.

I have a feeling something went really wrong with this show, but it can be saved.

Something is off.

I haven't seen whatever you're referring to, but I'm going to bet it's meant in humour.  Again, his tweet was about getting mentioned on Stephen Colbert.  Which is a very cool thing. 

There's nothing to indicate that anything's wrong.  But we do live in a world where there are doomsayers galore right off the bat.  Makes it hard for anyone to put anything out there imo.

[break21]

5 minutes ago, madmaverick said:

I haven't seen whatever you're referring to, but I'm going to bet it's meant in humour.  Again, his tweet was about getting mentioned on Stephen Colbert.  Which is a very cool thing. 

There's nothing to indicate that anything's wrong.  But we do live in a world where there are doomsayers galore right off the bat.  Makes it hard for anyone to put anything out there imo.

Something is wrong.   He didn't' bother to promote the second episode and he's liking twitter followers are asking if it is cancelled.

Something is going on behind the scenes.   

[TWP]

1 hour ago, break21 said:

Something is wrong.   He didn't' bother to promote the second episode and he's liking twitter followers are asking if it is cancelled.

Something is going on behind the scenes.   

I looked at his likes and he hasn't "liked" Twitter followers asking if it's cancelled.  In fact, he hasn't "liked" anything since July.

I had one of my comments liked by an imposter Nathan.  Maybe an imposter is liking those tweets.

Edited October 24, 2018 by TWP

[break21]

19 minutes ago, TWP said:

I looked at his likes and he hasn't "liked" Twitter followers asking if it's cancelled.  In fact, he hasn't "liked" anything since July.

I had one of my comments liked by an imposter Nathan.  Maybe an imposter is liking those tweets.

Not dumb,, I know it for a fact he "liked" at least one of those tweets.

I love the guy, watched him for years.   Show is in turmoil.

He is a good actor, has a great following, but they let New Amsterdam get a head start.  I said it was a mistake.  Been in TV for awhile, that was a mistake.  Lots of money on the table with The Rookie.   It's in trouble but they will move it before they cancel it.  

[TWP]

3 minutes ago, break21 said:

Not dumb,, I know it for a fact he "liked" at least one of those tweets.

I love the guy, watched him for years.   Show is in turmoil.

He is a good actor, has a great following, but they let New Amsterdam get a head start.  I said it was a mistake.  Been in TV for awhile, that was a mistake.  Lots of money on the table with The Rookie.   It's in trouble but they will move it before they cancel it.  

Break21, it's NOT in his like list.  Maybe he liked it accidentally and then unliked it.  He's not going to send tea leaves to the fans about cancellation.  https://twitter.com/NathanFillion/likes 

I wasn't saying that you're dumb.  I was fooled for a second by the imposter who liked my comment.  Here's that imposter.  https://twitter.com/NathanFiIIionn  Feel free to go to their Twitter and report them.  These imposters are very good and it's easy to mistake them for Nathan.

I agree that The Rookie isn't doing well at all. 

[Barb1959]

I really like NF but I didn't like the show last night.  It was so convoluted that I couldn't keep up with what was going on.  Maybe it's just me....

[BooBear]

On 10/24/2018 at 12:05 PM, break21 said:

Ratings went fractional.   I'd move it.  A repeat just about beat a new episode of Bull on Monday.

I'd move it.   

It's not getting cancelled anytime soon - too many international sales, but I'd move it.

I don't love the show but I think Tuesdays at 10 is a bad slot. I keep falling asleep.

[TWP]

I'm not huge on the relationship, but I find this little gif swoon-worthy.  These were the kind of moments people wanted on Castle.  That legendary Nathan thumb though.  It's still there! Ha-ha.

Edited October 29, 2018 by TWP

[BlakesMomma]

1 hour ago, TWP said:

I'm not huge on the relationship, but I find this little gif swoon-worthy.  These were the kind of moments people wanted on Castle.  That legendary Nathan thumb though.  It's still there! Ha-ha.

 

Definitely agree! Can you wear out a gif? Asking for a friend. 

The thumb is just one of his little mannerisms. He isn’t even aware he does it I think. Been doing it for years. 

Edited October 30, 2018 by BlakesMomma

[TWP]

I figured out how to boost ratings.  They need to recruit a police dog!  or two.

I'm thinking one like this, for that SyFy crossover effect ;-).

Edited November 1, 2018 by TWP

[deirdra]

To boost ratings, don't write any more scenes that require Nolan to run after the bad guys.

[shapeshifter]

1 hour ago, TWP said:

I figured out how to boost ratings.  They need to recruit a police dog!  or two.

Can they have puppies?

[Driad]

1 hour ago, TWP said:

I figured out how to boost ratings.  They need to recruit a police dog!  or two.

Bear from "Person of Interest" may be available, if he is willing to move from NYC.

[TWP]

1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Can they have puppies?

Only with non-work-related dogs ;-).

 

47 minutes ago, Driad said:

Bear from "Person of Interest" may be available, if he is willing to move from NYC.

Hopefully he doesn't have a deal with CBS.

Edited November 1, 2018 by TWP

[Loandbehold]

15 hours ago, Driad said:

Bear from "Person of Interest" may be available, if he is willing to move from NYC.

Alas. Bear (Boker) passed away over the past summer.

[Driad]

2 hours ago, Loandbehold said:

17 hours ago, Driad said:

Bear from "Person of Interest" may be available, if he is willing to move from NYC.

Alas. Bear (Boker) passed away over the past summer.

Sadly true, but the death of an actor does not necessarily mean the death of the character.

[TWP]

If ABC doesn't take advantage of their golden opportunity to let Alec Baldwin go for punching a guy (and/or the 0.2-0.3 ratings on his talk show) then TR definitely has a good chance of sticking around for another season.

[TWP]

The Rookie has gotten a 7 episode back order, bringing the episode count to 20.  Given the late start, this is a true full season order.  https://deadline.com/2018/11/the-rookie-nathan-fillion-back-order-abc-1202496193/ 

[BlakesMomma]

3 hours ago, TWP said:

The Rookie has gotten a 7 episode back order, bringing the episode count to 20.  Given the late start, this is a true full season order.  https://deadline.com/2018/11/the-rookie-nathan-fillion-back-order-abc-1202496193/ 

Yay!! 

[Sake614]

Awww I didn’t know Bear passed away. How sad! He was just the cutest and made me look forward to the show long after I lost interest in it...

[WendyCR72]

Don't know what, if any, bearing on the show this will have, but after three years, Channing Dungey is out as ABC Entertainment President.

[break21]

45 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

Don't know what, if any, bearing on the show this will have, but after three years, Channing Dungey is out as ABC Entertainment President.

I don't think it will good for the show.  Dungey ordered the show, invested a lot of money in publicity and had a huge stake in it being successful.  She likely would have given it more time to try and gain an audience than a new President.  The new President might not want to have the headache of dealing with an expensive show with low ratings that she didn't green-light.  JMO.

[TWP]

I'm not sure a person from Freeform is really an improvement.  I don't know how much effect this change will have on the bubble shows like TR, because I don't think the entertainment president can cut everything, and ABC has too many middling shows.   I also think this change was about the merger, not as much a mandate on ABC programming.  If it was about programming, it would have happened before they started extending shows.  From what I hear, typically true firings happen right before summer so it would have happened last spring or next spring rather than now.  But who knows.

If the move was about programming, it would have been as much about cutting Last Man Standing (a relatively large hit, even if you hate the politics) and moving toward the terribly performing unscripted shows (Alec Baldwin and DWTS Junior).  But choosing a show like The Rookie without a script or a pilot and having it underperform may have hurt.  Of course, other decision-makers besides Dungey may have been involved in doing what it took to keep Mark Gordon (and maybe Fillion) around, with Shonda gone.   Oh, to be that fly on the wall in this decision-making process.

[break21]

In the ratings, "The Rookie is not a hit, not a disaster.

It's kind of getting by.

I've said  it before, Nathan hasn't exactly gone all-out on social media to promote it,

He's not Live-tweeting, he's not even reminding people to tune in.

I don't get it.  Something is up.

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, break21 said:

In the ratings, "The Rookie is not a hit, not a disaster.

It's kind of getting by.

I've said  it before, Nathan hasn't exactly gone all-out on social media to promote it,

He's not Live-tweeting, he's not even reminding people to tune in.

I don't get it.  Something is up.

I disagree as far as social media goes. Some shows aren't marquee. And, as such, they usually don't require the "big push", is all. They exist as comfort food, mediocrity to fill space, or a combo of each. Tastes basically determine which category this falls under.

But I have seen plenty of lesser shows to have, proportionately, lesser social media presence.

As for anything being up, there is really probably no way to know unless/until the new entertainment president pulls the trigger as far as the show's future is concerned.

[BlakesMomma]

2 hours ago, break21 said:

In the ratings, "The Rookie is not a hit, not a disaster.

It's kind of getting by.

I've said  it before, Nathan hasn't exactly gone all-out on social media to promote it,

He's not Live-tweeting, he's not even reminding people to tune in.

I don't get it.  Something is up.

I don't think anything is up. In fact I don't think Nathan is behaving any differently with The Rookie than he has with any of his other projects. He gave it a huge promotional push before it premiered, but he's not the guy who is on SM every week reminding you to watch. That's just not the way he operates. Other than live tweeting maybe once a season, he did the same with Castle. He never promoted himself much on ASOUE or Santa Clarita Diet either.

I think he's pretty much written off Twitter as the mostly nasty wasteland that it's become in favor of Instagram. And the cast only did one official live tweet for the premiere and Nathan was on a plane coming back from promoting the show in NYC and Toronto. He may or may not do a Rookie live tweet before the season ends.

I just don't see any difference with this project than any of his others as far as his SM promoting. And I really don't think it makes a difference in terms of ratings whether he does or not. He gave it a huge push before it started and anyone interested knows it's on. He's never been a heavy handed social media promoter.

[break21]

3 hours ago, BlakesMomma said:

I don't think anything is up. In fact I don't think Nathan is behaving any differently with The Rookie than he has with any of his other projects. He gave it a huge promotional push before it premiered, but he's not the guy who is on SM every week reminding you to watch. That's just not the way he operates. Other than live tweeting maybe once a season, he did the same with Castle. He never promoted himself much on ASOUE or Santa Clarita Diet either.

I think he's pretty much written off Twitter as the mostly nasty wasteland that it's become in favor of Instagram. And the cast only did one official live tweet for the premiere and Nathan was on a plane coming back from promoting the show in NYC and Toronto. He may or may not do a Rookie live tweet before the season ends.

I just don't see any difference with this project than any of his others as far as his SM promoting. And I really don't think it makes a difference in terms of ratings whether he does or not. He gave it a huge push before it started and anyone interested knows it's on. He's never been a heavy handed social media promoter.

I agree in the later years of Castle he definitely did a lot less social media than earlier years.  But at that point, it was an established show.  When it started and was in trouble, he was all over social media.  I remember the rest of the cast saying he encouraged them to get on twitter to promote it.   These days, he is definitely off twitter in favor of Instagram.

It just seems odd to me, with his show just kind of plodding along in the ratings, he doesn't really promote it much lately.  I'd at least send out a tweet to remind people to watch on Tuesday.  Would it make a difference, probably not.  But I'd do it anyway.  Maybe he's tired.  He's producing (actually producing) which he didn't do on Castle.  The show requires a lot of running around which he didn't have to do on Castle.  With the show being on the bubble, the network execs are probably on the phone every 5 minutes making suggestions/demands for script changes.  

Just some thoughts.

[madmaverick]

6 hours ago, BlakesMomma said:

I don't think anything is up. In fact I don't think Nathan is behaving any differently with The Rookie than he has with any of his other projects.

Exactly.  There is exactly zero to support the idea that anything is up.  I am just not a fan of baseless conspiracy theories, period. 

I bet actors miss the days when their onscreen performance was the only thing subject to scrutiny.  Nathan would probably say something like how he doesn't tell writers how to do their job, and so I wouldn't presume to tell actors how to act or how to do PR, and frankly, what I care about is whether I'm getting quality TV, the other stuff is not my concern. 

[break21]

3 hours ago, madmaverick said:

Exactly.  There is exactly zero to support the idea that anything is up.  I am just not a fan of baseless conspiracy theories, period. 

I bet actors miss the days when their onscreen performance was the only thing subject to scrutiny.  Nathan would probably say something like how he doesn't tell writers how to do their job, and so I wouldn't presume to tell actors how to act or how to do PR, and frankly, what I care about is whether I'm getting quality TV, the other stuff is not my concern. 

Not a conspiracy-theory.  I'm not looking to start up "Rookie-Gate" .   Just some observations from someone who has been a fan since Firefly.

[devilhalo]

On 11/29/2018 at 9:56 AM, break21 said:

In the ratings, "The Rookie is not a hit, not a disaster.

It's kind of getting by.

I've said  it before, Nathan hasn't exactly gone all-out on social media to promote it,

He's not Live-tweeting, he's not even reminding people to tune in.

I don't get it.  Something is up.

100% agree. It’s odd that he has stopped promoting the show esp when it’s not doing as well as anticipated. You would think he would try to drum up excitement for the show and build hype. But so far...nothing. 

He did do that for Firefly. Promoted it on Social Media a lot. That’s how I came to know about the show. And watched it. Because of the hype he generated on social media for the show.

If he did the same for The Rookie, maybe someone who is initially not intetested may become interested and watch the show and become a fan (like I did for Firefly).

Thats why his no social media promotion for The Rookie is odd for sure as he has surely done it for Firefly AND Con Man. 

[Raja]

6 hours ago, devilhalo said:

100% agree. It’s odd that he has stopped promoting the show esp when it’s not doing as well as anticipated. You would think he would try to drum up excitement for the show and build hype. But so far...nothing. 

He did do that for Firefly. Promoted it on Social Media a lot. That’s how I came to know about the show. And watched it. Because of the hype he generated on social media for the show.

If he did the same for The Rookie, maybe someone who is initially not intetested may become interested and watch the show and become a fan (like I did for Firefly).

Thats why his no social media promotion for The Rookie is odd for sure as he has surely done it for Firefly AND Con Man. 

What was social media like in 2002?

[devilhalo]

2 hours ago, Raja said:

What was social media like in 2002?

I meant that he used to promote Firefly a lot during the castle days. That’s how I lot of people including me discovered it. If he didn’t push the show so much, then many would not have watched it. He created hype for it which got people curious. Firefly was an excellent show but Nathan did push it heavily on social media during the castle time period. 

[TWP]

On 11/28/2018 at 11:13 PM, BlakesMomma said:

I don't think anything is up. In fact I don't think Nathan is behaving any differently with The Rookie than he has with any of his other projects. He gave it a huge promotional push before it premiered, but he's not the guy who is on SM every week reminding you to watch. That's just not the way he operates. Other than live tweeting maybe once a season, he did the same with Castle. He never promoted himself much on ASOUE or Santa Clarita Diet either.

I think he's pretty much written off Twitter as the mostly nasty wasteland that it's become in favor of Instagram. And the cast only did one official live tweet for the premiere and Nathan was on a plane coming back from promoting the show in NYC and Toronto. He may or may not do a Rookie live tweet before the season ends.

I just don't see any difference with this project than any of his others as far as his SM promoting. And I really don't think it makes a difference in terms of ratings whether he does or not. He gave it a huge push before it started and anyone interested knows it's on. He's never been a heavy handed social media promoter.

I agree with you.  Yes, and he's dumped Twitter pretty much altogether.  I don't blame him at all.  I see very little need to go there myself.  

BTW, he did live tweet the first episode of The Rookie, the 10PM PST airing on the West coast.  I assume it was after he arrived home from the show promos.

I remember when people complained that he didn't tweet about Castle enough.  It's just not his MO.  And as much as Twitter users like to think Twitter buzz matters, in reality it's hardly a blip on the radar of TV viewership. Most people don't have the time for it.