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On ‎6‎/‎3‎/‎2018 at 6:19 PM, WendyCR72 said:

No way is this going to 8:00 p.m. if just because ABC is now looking into spinoffs with both Sara Gilbert's Darlene from Roseanne and/or a spinoff of the recently-ended The Middle with Eden Sher's Sue character. Those seem to be in contention, at least from what I read.

Agree, it won't happen, but it should.   "Darlene" will die a fast death.  Sue Heck is great as an ensemble actress, if I had to watch her carry the show I couldn't change the channel fast enough.  ABC has next to nothing right now.  I'd roll the dice, put him at 8 and put other series behind him.   As shown with the Upfronts, their stars were Rosanne and Nathan.  Down to one.  I would never bury him at 10:00 on Tuesday night.

There is a reason they are last in the ratings.  They are dumb with scheduling and don't take chances.

[BlakesMomma]

12 hours ago, break21 said:

Agree, it won't happen, but it should.   "Darlene" will die a fast death.  Sue Heck is great as an ensemble actress, if I had to watch her carry the show I couldn't change the channel fast enough.  ABC has next to nothing right now.  I'd roll the dice, put him at 8 and put other series behind him.   As shown with the Upfronts, their stars were Rosanne and Nathan.  Down to one.  I would never bury him at 10:00 on Tuesday night.

There is a reason they are last in the ratings.  They are dumb with scheduling and don't take chances.

I think The Rookie stories can't be served well at 8pm.  It requires a later time slot due to the nature of the series, some of the darker issues cops deal with all the time.

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ABC pushed "The Rookie" again during the basketball game.

 

Nobody agrees, but I wouldn't bury him at 10 on Tuesday. He's the face of ABC.  

 

I suspect it will be all Nathan all the time- they need this to work.  Just give him a decent timeslot..   No way I'd put him at 10 on Tuesday night.  It is ridiculous.

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1 hour ago, break21 said:

ABC pushed "The Rookie" again during the basketball game.

 

Nobody agrees, but I wouldn't bury him at 10 on Tuesday. He's the face of ABC.  

 

I suspect it will be all Nathan all the time- they need this to work.  Just give him a decent timeslot..   No way I'd put him at 10 on Tuesday night.  It is ridiculous.

But it's chicken and egg. While Tuesday has been problematic now, once upon a time, NYPD Blue held that slot. And the neurotic thirtysomething in the mid-'80s. So the network will try and put a well-reviewed show in such a slot to break the dead-slot cycle. The slot worked before, so ABC is hoping it can work again, I guess.

If not, it remains dead. And something has to be put there. So why now a show that is getting buzz? It's about chance.

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4 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

But it's chicken and egg. While Tuesday has been problematic now, once upon a time, NYPD Blue held that slot. And the neurotic thirtysomething in the mid-'80s. So the network will try and put a well-reviewed show in such a slot to break the dead-slot cycle. The slot worked before, so ABC is hoping it can work again, I guess.

If not, it remains dead. And something has to be put there. So why now a show that is getting buzz? It's about chance.

We'll see.  They paid a fortune for him and they are already spending a fortune promoting it.

I just don't understand why you take your biggest star and throw him on Tuesday at 10.   People like Nathan Fillion.   I suspect his Q rating is off the charts.  I'd have him open a night - no way I would stick him at 10 on Tuesday.  This is a mistake, IMO.   

[WendyCR72]

10 hours ago, break21 said:

We'll see.  They paid a fortune for him and they are already spending a fortune promoting it.

I just don't understand why you take your biggest star and throw him on Tuesday at 10.   People like Nathan Fillion.   I suspect his Q rating is off the charts.  I'd have him open a night - no way I would stick him at 10 on Tuesday.  This is a mistake, IMO.   

But I agree with whomever said this is not an 8:00 p.m. show. At least, not based on the trailer. So it's a matter of balancing the new shows with established that may already have the later slots on another night. If people do like Nathan Fillion as ABC thinks, people will watch, no matter what. As you said, though, we'll see!

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We will see.  I just don't get it.  He has to be the highest paid actor on ABC.  They are dying in the ratings  - and they stick him at 10:00 p.m. on Tuesday night..  I just don't understand - why pay him a fortune and stick him in the death slot.  Oh well, we will see.

[BlakesMomma]

3 hours ago, break21 said:

We will see.  I just don't get it.  He has to be the highest paid actor on ABC.  They are dying in the ratings  - and they stick him at 10:00 p.m. on Tuesday night..  I just don't understand - why pay him a fortune and stick him in the death slot.  Oh well, we will see.

I think you forgot about Ellen Pompeo.

They put him in that spot for a reason, to end the supposed "death slot". That means they have a lot of faith in Nathan and the show. That's not a bad thing.  Now, if they had stuck him on Friday or Saturday you would have a reason to be concerned. 

[BlakesMomma]

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On 6/8/2018 at 6:17 AM, BlakesMomma said:

I think you forgot about Ellen Pompeo.

They put him in that spot for a reason, to end the supposed "death slot". That means they have a lot of faith in Nathan and the show. That's not a bad thing.  Now, if they had stuck him on Friday or Saturday you would have a reason to be concerned. 

Some of the Modern Family cast (e.g. Vergara) may be ahead of him too.

And I'm with you.  I think they're trying to strengthen Tuesday night.  Roseanne was supposed to do that too, but you know.

Edited June 9, 2018 by TWP

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TV Line actually agrees with me - put the Rookie at 8 on Tuesday!!

http://tvline.com/2018/06/11/roseanne-cancelled-should-nathan-fillion-rookie-replace-it/

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But as many pointed out in the comments, that would put it head to head with NCIS. And although that's old, it's still popular. So I think that could hurt The Rookie by doing such a move.

Yes, there is DVR. But it is still very hard to break people from established shows and routines.

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10 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

But as many pointed out in the comments, that would put it head to head with NCIS. And although that's old, it's still popular. So I think that could hurt The Rookie by doing such a move.

Yes, there is DVR. But it is still very hard to break people from established shows and routines.

Possibly, but without a strong lead-in, the entire night could tank.  "Darlene" is a non-starter - there is already talk of boycotts.  "The Middle" was pulling 1.2's with the Roseanne lead-in and Patricia Heaton.  The Sue character is just too polarizing to carry a show.  "Splitting Up Together" was just about hanging on, and there's a new comedy they are trying to launch without a good lead-in.    So, the entire night potentially tanks until 10:00, and then you are counting on people to change the channel to watch "The Rookie".  I'd put him at 8:00, take a chance, and let him kick-off the night.   IMO,  when you are in 3rd place, you need to take chances.

 

Also, NCIS lost Pauley Perrette amid a feud with Mark Harmon.

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7 hours ago, break21 said:

Also, NCIS lost Pauley Perrette amid a feud with Mark Harmon.

Based on reaction, it doesn't seem like many mourn the loss much!  :-)  But I could be wrong.

[BlakesMomma]

13 hours ago, break21 said:

Possibly, but without a strong lead-in, the entire night could tank.  "Darlene" is a non-starter - there is already talk of boycotts.  "The Middle" was pulling 1.2's with the Roseanne lead-in and Patricia Heaton.  The Sue character is just too polarizing to carry a show.  "Splitting Up Together" was just about hanging on, and there's a new comedy they are trying to launch without a good lead-in.    So, the entire night potentially tanks until 10:00, and then you are counting on people to change the channel to watch "The Rookie".  I'd put him at 8:00, take a chance, and let him kick-off the night.   IMO,  when you are in 3rd place, you need to take chances.

 

Also, NCIS lost Pauley Perrette amid a feud with Mark Harmon.

Sorry but I just don't believe people sit on one channel all night just because they can't be bothered pushing a button the remote. I know I sure don't.  I believe if ABC promotes it well, people will tune in.

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13 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Based on reaction, it doesn't seem like many mourn the loss much!  :-)  But I could be wrong.

I think, like just about every fandom, when the leads start fighting the fans take sides.  Harmon has taken some hits in the tabloids, but so has Perrette.  I don't watch it so I don't really know though.  Oh well, I guess we'll see what happens.  

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Looks like The Rookie will still have Roseanne as a lead in, so to speak. ABC has greenlit a spinoff, tentatively titled The Conners, which will air at Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m. ET, the same slot Roseanne had. This has a 10-episode order.

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3 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

Looks like The Rookie will still have Roseanne as a lead in, so to speak. ABC has greenlit a spinoff, tentatively titled The Conners, which will air at Tuesdays at 8:00 p.m. ET, the same slot Roseanne had. This has a 10-episode order.

Not surprising.  Prediction - comedies will flop on Tuesday and may take Nathan down with them.  ABC = home of third place.  If you don't take chances, nothing will change.  Same old, same old from ABC.  Blah.

[BlakesMomma]

12 hours ago, break21 said:

Not surprising.  Prediction - comedies will flop on Tuesday and may take Nathan down with them.  ABC = home of third place.  If you don't take chances, nothing will change.  Same old, same old from ABC.  Blah.

Actually in scripted, non-sports ratings, ABC finished the season just a hair above the rest.

Not sure why you're so convinced the Tuesday comedies will tank because Blackish and Splitting Up Together held their own well in this past season, both above ABC's average of all their shows. Roseann will likely lose some viewers but they may also gain some now that she's gone. And the new ABC comedy The Kids Are Alright was mentioned as the only worthwhile new comedy from any of the networks for the fall season by one of the TV critics.

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53 minutes ago, BlakesMomma said:

Actually in scripted, non-sports ratings, ABC finished the season just a hair above the rest.

Not sure why you're so convinced the Tuesday comedies will tank because Blackish and Splitting Up Together held their own well in this past season, both above ABC's average of all their shows. Roseann will likely lose some viewers but they may also gain some now that she's gone. And the new ABC comedy The Kids Are Alright was mentioned as the only worthwhile new comedy from any of the networks for the fall season by one of the TV critics.

Disaster in the making.  Roseanne will flop without Roseanne.   New comedy has no lead-in.     Blackish is on Wed,  Splitting Up Together sneaked through with Roseanne (no Roseanne now).

We will see - let's agree to disagree - I think we both want "The Rookie" to be a hit.  

Should have started it at 8 and kicked off the night.  It's another ABC disaster.  

If I am wrong, feel free to take a victory lap - IMO - it's a mess.

[BlakesMomma]

37 minutes ago, break21 said:

Disaster in the making.  Roseanne will flop without Roseanne.   New comedy has no lead-in.     Blackish is on Wed,  Splitting Up Together sneaked through with Roseanne (no Roseanne now).

We will see - let's agree to disagree - I think we both want "The Rookie" to be a hit.  

Should have started it at 8 and kicked off the night.  It's another ABC disaster.  

If I am wrong, feel free to take a victory lap - IMO - it's a mess.

I will be happy to agree to disagree. :-) I definitely want it to be a hit!

Did you mean Blackish WAS on Wednesday night? Because it's listed on Tuesdays now according to Deadline's ABC fall schedule.

TUESDAY
8 PM — TBA (Now the new Roseann)
8:30 PM — THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT
9 PM — black-ish
9:30 PM — Splitting Up Together
10 PM — THE ROOKIE

My fingers are crossed for taking that victory lap.  

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1 hour ago, BlakesMomma said:

I will be happy to agree to disagree. :-) I definitely want it to be a hit!

Did you mean Blackish WAS on Wednesday night? Because it's listed on Tuesdays now according to Deadline's ABC fall schedule.

TUESDAY
8 PM — TBA (Now the new Roseann)
8:30 PM — THE KIDS ARE ALRIGHT
9 PM — black-ish
9:30 PM — Splitting Up Together
10 PM — THE ROOKIE

My fingers are crossed for taking that victory lap.  

We're good - I love NF and I hope you get that victory lap.  I didn't know Blackish was on Tues. schedule.

Let's see what happens.

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They ran a promo during whatever ABC's "Dateline" equivalent is.  I've been complaining about the lack of humor - they changed it up -  the first line was funny - about his cholesterol level.  It wasn't Bumbling Castle  - it was smart and funny.  If they can do those kind of lines with the drama and ensemble - it'll work.  Fingers crossed.

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2 hours ago, break21 said:

They ran a promo during whatever ABC's "Dateline" equivalent is.  I've been complaining about the lack of humor - they changed it up -  the first line was funny - about his cholesterol level.  It wasn't Bumbling Castle  - it was smart and funny.  If they can do those kind of lines with the drama and ensemble - it'll work.  Fingers crossed.

I saw that last night on 20/20. I've been hoping they'd change it up so they didn't keep running the same one over and over because they run it fairly often. It seems they are running The Rookie promo a lot more than any other of their fall shows. They only ones I've seen besides The Rookie are for their current summer shows.

I really hope we get a lot of interaction between Nathan and Mercedes Mason because I really like their chemistry, the little I've seen. 

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France picked it up.    ABC needs this to work.  It is international, it has high-hopes in U.S  I suspect NF will be basically everywhere the months ahead,   ABC has a lot riding on this show.  Reviews say it is good.  I don't like the scheduling but we will see.

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NF's "Uncharted" video went viral.

ABC has a huge poster (probably a better word) of him outside Comic Con.  ABC is double-ing down on him.  Still hate the time-slot.

[WendyCR72]

Apparently, the premiere date has been set for October 16th at 10:00 p.m. ET.

[femmefan1946]

Sorry but I just don't believe people sit on one channel all night just because they can't be bothered pushing a button the remote.

Gosh. I don't even watch one show for a whole hour

I switch channels during the commercials (especially that Trivago guy) and switch back when the thumbnail picture at the bottom of the screen shows my first show is back. Meantime I'm on HGTV with Bryan Baumer, Scott McGillvray and that very enthusiastic tiny blonde rehabber from Detroit.

 

BTW-- Why only 8pm or 10pm?  Is there nothing on ABC but a blank screen at 9PM?

Edited July 31, 2018 by femmefan1946

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On ‎7‎/‎24‎/‎2018 at 5:43 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Apparently, the premiere date has been set for October 16th at 10:00 p.m. ET.

Smart move, in my opinion.  Let the other shows' premiere chips fall where they may and then give people a new show to try.

Edited August 6, 2018 by TWP

[WendyCR72]

Nathan Fillion still honors his soap roots. He recently attended a One Life To Live fan reunion event, and another one of the many to play the character, Joey Buchanan (Chris McKenna), posted this photo from the event on his Twitter page.

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More casting news.  I wonder when they cast a part after they have been filming if the character was always planned and they couldn't find the right actor/actress or as they developed scripts they found a need for a new character to fill a void.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/the-rookie-danny-nucci-recur-abcs-crime-drama-series-1202441039/

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7 hours ago, break21 said:

More casting news.  I wonder when they cast a part after they have been filming if the character was always planned and they couldn't find the right actor/actress or as they developed scripts they found a need for a new character to fill a void.

https://deadline.com/2018/08/the-rookie-danny-nucci-recur-abcs-crime-drama-series-1202441039/

It seems they only announce the casting right around the time the actor starts filming. In other words, this character may have been planned all along but they didn't start looking for and find the right actor until much closer to filming. And then the announcement was made.

I've seen other times when a guest actor casting isn't even announced until long after they've filmed the role, when the episode is close to airing. An example of this is Jewel Staite guest starring on Take Two. Jewel posted about filming the unnamed "secret" project long before her guest spot was announced, and it was only announced shortly before her episode aired. The same has been true of several of Nathan's roles. They were announced in the media long after he filmed them.

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"Take Two" had a Rookie billboard in the background of a scene last night.  They also put a Rookie ad on buses in L.A.  Can't say ABC isn't promoting it.

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Nathan and the Rookie cast were at Paley yesterday.  They ran an old Castle episode on my local ABC channel.  It's amazing how much weight he's lost and how much younger he looks now.  I think by the end of Castle he was completely stressed-out.    Rookie is getting great reviews - I hope it hits for him.

[WendyCR72]

Nathan Fillion talks about some of what's coming up on The Rookie on Tube Talk with Michael Ausiello.

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On ‎10‎/‎4‎/‎2018 at 12:42 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Nathan Fillion talks about some of what's coming up on The Rookie on Tube Talk with Michael Ausiello.

Well that was cute.  Nathan, though, is one of those people who you're afraid to ask a question because he'll answer, and answer, and answer, ha-ha!  But I really appreciate all the promotion The Rookie is getting, and I hope it does really, really well.  The weak competition helps.  New Amsterdam=big meh.  I will forever root for Nathan's shows.  He is too much fun to watch.

[BlakesMomma]

10 hours ago, TWP said:

Well that was cute.  Nathan, though, is one of those people who you're afraid to ask a question because he'll answer, and answer, and answer, ha-ha!  But I really appreciate all the promotion The Rookie is getting, and I hope it does really, really well.  The weak competition helps.  New Amsterdam=big meh.  I will forever root for Nathan's shows.  He is too much fun to watch.

I gave New Amsterdam two episodes. Fell asleep during the second one. And the lead guy annoys me. Double big meh!

ABC's only two new fall dramas are The Rookie and A Million Little Things, which is sinking fast. Even The Good Doctor is down significantly from last season. I'm optimistic about The Rookie. Hope I'm correct. 

[WendyCR72]

Another sneak peek.

[madmaverick]

Quite a funny promo video posted on Nathan's IG courtesy of one Nathan Fillion.  ABC Promotion Department can give him a job if his day job doesn't work out.  Hope the show can utilize his charm and use it well, but at the same time, not letting it be a crutch for poor writing. 

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5 hours ago, madmaverick said:

Quite a funny promo video posted on Nathan's IG courtesy of one Nathan Fillion.  ABC Promotion Department can give him a job if his day job doesn't work out.  Hope the show can utilize his charm and use it well, but at the same time, not letting it be a crutch for poor writing. 

Did you see that Mercedes Mason calls Nathan 'Sparkles'?   

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One night away.  I don't know what to think.  It's gotten great reviews but USA Today wasn't thrilled.  

ABC needs this to hit - Channing Dungey's job probably depends on it,

They have promoted it endlessly, Nathan has promoted it endlessly.

We'll see.  Fingers crossed it hits.

NBC has "This Is Us" as their lead-in.

Rookie has Roseanne minus Roseanne.

They are depending on NF's fan-base to switch the channel and watch.  I just don't know.

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2 hours ago, break21 said:

One night away.  I don't know what to think.  It's gotten great reviews but USA Today wasn't thrilled.  

ABC needs this to hit - Channing Dungey's job probably depends on it,

They have promoted it endlessly, Nathan has promoted it endlessly.

We'll see.  Fingers crossed it hits.

NBC has "This Is Us" as their lead-in.

Rookie has Roseanne minus Roseanne.

They are depending on NF's fan-base to switch the channel and watch.  I just don't know.

New Amsterdam isn't keeping a super sizeable chunk of the This Is Us audience.

I don't know if Dungey's job depends on The Rookie, but I think ABC has a great deal of confidence in the show to promote it so heavily.  

Roseanne minus Roseanne is going to garner a great deal of curiosity, making it a good lead-in this week at least.  And the reviews of The Connors say that it's a funny show, so we'll see.  The show on AFTER the Connors is supposed to be a great show too, if only my tired brain could remember its name.

Anything can happen.  The most prominent sign for me is how many promotional dollars ABC is putting into this.  They want TR to succeed.

Edited October 15, 2018 by TWP

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1 hour ago, TWP said:

New Amsterdam isn't keeping a super sizeable chunk of the This Is Us audience.

I don't know if Dungey's job depends on The Rookie, but I think ABC has a great deal of confidence in the show to promote it so heavily.  

Roseanne minus Roseanne is going to garner a great deal of curiosity, making it a good lead-in this week at least.  And the reviews of The Connors say that it's a funny show, so we'll see.  The show on AFTER the Connors is supposed to be a great show too, if only my tired brain could remember its name.

Anything can happen.  The most prominent sign for me is how many promotional dollars ABC is putting into this.  They want TR to succeed.

ABC is dying this year.  They NEED this to work.  I just don't know  They've thrown everything they've got into it. I'm surprised Nathan isn't booked on Kimmel.

New Amsterdam is doing okay in the ratings.  It might have been a mistake to premiere The Rookie late.

I love Nathan and hope it succeeds    I'm not sure it will.  ABC has bet a lot on this show.

[shapeshifter]

9 minutes ago, break21 said:

New Amsterdam is doing okay in the ratings.  It might have been a mistake to premiere The Rookie late.

Do we know why they started it late?

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1 hour ago, shapeshifter said:

Do we know why they started it late?

No, but I think it was stupid.  They let Amsterdam get an audience before the Rookie ever premiered.  No clue what the thinking was behind that one.

[TWP]

2 hours ago, shapeshifter said:

Do we know why they started it late?

Probably because The Connors had to catch up and needed some extra time to prepare episodes.  But  I don't think it was necessarily a bad idea.  The delay gave New Amsterdam time to premiere, time to sink and now people might be ready to try something new.  Had TR started in sync with the rest of the freshman shows, they'd be just another player in the field. It's an experiment, it could fail, but it's worth a try.

Yes, the ratings for NA are good enough for renewal, since it's been renewed, but they aren't blockbuster (a 40% loss from This is Us) and it doesn't mean they won't sink once The Rookie airs.   Or TR could pull eyes from cable and streaming, because I think many of Nathan's fans are non-broadcast viewers. But will those viewers watch in L+SD (or C+3) so that advertisers care?  Who knows. 

We shall see

Edited October 16, 2018 by TWP

[WendyCR72]

Deadline has reviewed the show. It's not exactly glowing with praise, though does discuss what the should could be versus what is.

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1 hour ago, WendyCR72 said:

Deadline has reviewed the show. It's not exactly glowing with praise, though does discuss what the should could be versus what is.

Or maybe what it WILL be after the pilot.  For myself, I don't want to be constantly reminded of how old and thus incompetent Nolan is, when I am OLDER than he is!  So if it's true (from what I've read) that The Rookie PTB are trying to attract the older end of the demo, they won't meet their goal by dissing we oldsters.  Hopefully the purpose of the oldie shtick was to create good clips for the pilot ads, and they'll quickly move past the ageism.

[ketose]

On 11/13/2017 at 6:07 PM, WendyCR72 said:

Nothing new to report in terms of other cast, etc., yet, but I came across this EW article when this show was announced, and this mentions it being based on a true story. Huh! Who knew?

I keep wondering what the real story is. Was there actually a 40 y.o. rookie in the LAPD? Did it work out? 

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1 hour ago, ketose said:

I keep wondering what the real story is. Was there actually a 40 y.o. rookie in the LAPD? Did it work out? 

The LAPD had an age limit of 34, however it was dropped in 1992 due to federal anti-discrimination laws.  In 1994, 59-year-old Edward Olivares graduated from the LAPD academy, becoming the oldest rookie in LAPD history - earlier that same year, a 45-year-old female officer, four weeks out of the academy, was shot and killed while responding to a call.

http://articles.baltimoresun.com/1994-11-29/news/1994333009_1_oldest-rookie-police-officer-olivares

Four moths after graduation, and while still in his probationary period, Olivares resigned from the force:

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-08/local/me-40213_1_training-officer

Olivares confirmed Tuesday that he had resigned Saturday because his training officers had warned him he didn't meet LAPD standards.  Olivares said his training officer informed him he was lacking in officer safety skills, a category that includes officers' ability to protect themselves in dealing with suspects, including using their guns. Olivares said he resigned because he was worried that he would endanger his fellow officers or the public.

A week later, he asked to be reinstated and was turned down.  This article from the time said he was considering "all options" which included possibly suing to return to the force.  I didn't find any follow up after this:

http://articles.latimes.com/1995-03-16/local/me-43553_1_oldest-rookie