GH History Lessons: Because History is Always Repeating Itself

[stlbf]

I think that Sam could have a change of heart thanks to the stupidity of this Morgan dying crap. Add in NewSuddenlyDaddy'sGirl, Krissy working on her sister on how wonderful Sonny is, I can see it work. The whole wide bad world is being mean to poor Sonny. All of these problems and they aren't Sonny's fault! Add Julian being the cause (in Sonny's limited brain) for everything bad, that could guilt Sam into a pro Sonny stance. That would be the twist on the plot. Let Jason be the new convert to the SonnyIsDangerous brigade. It would be even better if Jason and Michael had an actual relationship in the past year. Jason breaking contact with Sonny for the same reasons Michael did earlier and now Michael is bad as the good son. Maybe, just maybe, we can hear Monica voice her hatred over Sonny for all of the shit he has caused in her life. Stealing her grandson and murdering her son being standouts.

[Oracle42]

Sam would think the mob wasn't dangerous because Morgan died? Even if Morgan's death isn't directly Sonny's fault, it's still mob-related. Sam might feel sorry for Sonny but she's not choosing him over Jason and her children

Maybe if she and Julian has ever developed a real relationship, he hadn't tried to murder her mother (and they'd chosen VI instead of Boxer Briefs McGee) there could be conflict there - but this team is all about flattening out drama, not digging in to it

Edited January 10, 2017 by Oracle42

[dubbel zout]

I'd like to see one or both of them reject Sonny's lifestyle because it's a terrible way to live, and not just because of the inherent danger. That's an angle the show hasn't really explored. But as Oracle42 wrote: 

8 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

this team is all about flattening out drama, not digging in to it

[LegalParrot81]

For those who were fans of the Prometheus Disc story line, this is such a sad, sad story.  Prometheus is probably my second favorite GH story line and I thought  Melinda Cordell was fabulous as Natalie.

http://soapcentral.com/gh/news/2016/0815-cordell_tragic_death.php

[dubbel zout]

Oh. my. God.

[SlovakPrincess]

That is horrifying and sad.   

[Melgaypet]

How awful.

[OnceSane]

1 hour ago, LexieLily said:

Was there a Reese on ER? (Or GH, which probably makes more sense. Lol)

On GH.  She was the FBI agent assigned to the case when Faith & AJ kidnapped Michael, Morgan and Kristina.  So, of course, Sonny slept with her.  Later, Ric cheated on pregnant Alexis with her.  Then she died during the train crash and no one noticed. 

[WendyCR72]

1 hour ago, OnceSane said:

Was there a Reese on ER?

@OnceSane was right as above. But yeah, there was a Reese on ER, too. (I'm assuming this is in reference to the show?) He was Peter Benton's son.

[Francie]

On 1/10/2017 at 9:50 AM, LegalParrot81 said:

For those who were fans of the Prometheus Disc story line, this is such a sad, sad story.  Prometheus is probably my second favorite GH story line and I thought  Melinda Cordell was fabulous as Natalie.

http://soapcentral.com/gh/news/2016/0815-cordell_tragic_death.php

My God, how awful. Thank you for sharing that. I too thought she was fabulous as Natalie. I think she was the glue that held that story together. She gave it heft and substance, and kept it from being camp. The supporting characters in that storyline were perfectly cast(well, except for the stereotyped sheiks).

[Oracle42]

On 1/23/2017 at 0:20 AM, Darklazr said:

Here's the thing, without backstage agenda's there is no way in hell Jason Morgan would have ever taken Sam back after what she did to Jake.  Jason kicked Robin out of his life after she told AJ that Michael was his kid and I firmly believe that he would have NEVER taken Sam back.  JMO.

Eh. He forgave Robin a long time ago. And if the kiss he laid on her during the first broken brain s/l was any indication, he still had feelings for her years after that fight.

He's also forgiven Sonny and Carly for repeatedly endangering Michael...and each other. He forgave Sonny for dating and endangering his little sister. He'll eventually forgive Liz for the Jakeson fiasco.  Why wouldn't he forgive Sam?

Edited January 24, 2017 by Oracle42

[HeatLifer]

And...eh...Jason didn't kick Robin out of his life. SHE dumped him because she wasn't here for the bullshit anymore, SHE told AJ, then SHE left for Paris. She kicked herself out of his life. Jason was pissed/heated and didn't want to see her in that moment but in that same year was threatening Faison on her behalf, told Mac and Felicia he would always care about her, told Emily he wants her to be happy, and gave millions to the Nurses Ball because of her. Years later it was obvious it bothered him that she even WENT to Paris for so long.

I think the most unrealistic thing was they were never revisited, TBH. As a biased viewer, I'm happy they weren't because I didn't want Robin with him, but there was still story there if you looked at it without shipper goggles.

[Oracle42]

Sure, if Guza hadn't been so wedded to the idea of Jason as a hitman.

[HeatLifer]

14 minutes ago, Oracle42 said:

Sure, if Guza hadn't been so wedded to the idea of Jason as a hitman.

I mean, I don't think she would have ever ended up with him (as in married/kids) because she grew up too much and he didn't at all, but I do think there was story to be played with for at least a few years, even with him as a hitman.

Edited January 24, 2017 by HeatLifer

[Jazzy24]

3 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Eh. He forgave Robin a long time ago. And if the kiss he laid on her during the first broken brain s/l was any indication, he still had feelings for her years after that fight.

He's also forgiven Sonny and Carly for repeatedly endangering Michael...and each other. He forgave Sonny for dating and endangering his little sister. He'll eventually forgive Liz for the Jakeson fiasco.  Why wouldn't he forgive Sam?

I wish he hadn't taken Sam back. 

I was more than fine with Jason and Sam breaking up at that time and the SOS. But having Sam watch Jake get kidnapped so Jiz could look good and give Jason a reason to dump her, yeah I was ready for Jason and Sam to be done and never look back. 

[Cheyanne11]

3 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

And...eh...Jason didn't kick Robin out of his life. SHE dumped him because she wasn't here for the bullshit anymore, SHE told AJ, then SHE left for Paris. She kicked herself out of his life. Jason was pissed/heated and didn't want to see her in that moment but in that same year was threatening Faison on her behalf, told Mac and Felicia he would always care about her, told Emily he wants her to be happy, and gave millions to the Nurses Ball because of her. Years later it was obvious it bothered him that she even WENT to Paris for so long.

I think the most unrealistic thing was they were never revisited, TBH. As a biased viewer, I'm happy they weren't because I didn't want Robin with him, but there was still story there if you looked at it without shipper goggles.

Co-sign.  One fairly consistent thread in the last twenty years is that Jason's feelings for Robin run deep.  That doesn't necessarily mean she's the love of his life (though I could probably make that argument), but he has always been in her corner.

[Darklazr]

6 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

And...eh...Jason didn't kick Robin out of his life. SHE dumped him because she wasn't here for the bullshit anymore, SHE told AJ, then SHE left for Paris. She kicked herself out of his life. Jason was pissed/heated and didn't want to see her in that moment but in that same year was threatening Faison on her behalf, told Mac and Felicia he would always care about her, told Emily he wants her to be happy, and gave millions to the Nurses Ball because of her. Years later it was obvious it bothered him that she even WENT to Paris for so long.

I think the most unrealistic thing was they were never revisited, TBH. As a biased viewer, I'm happy they weren't because I didn't want Robin with him, but there was still story there if you looked at it without shipper goggles.

 

6 hours ago, Oracle42 said:

Eh. He forgave Robin a long time ago. And if the kiss he laid on her during the first broken brain s/l was any indication, he still had feelings for her years after that fight.

He's also forgiven Sonny and Carly for repeatedly endangering Michael...and each other. He forgave Sonny for dating and endangering his little sister. He'll eventually forgive Liz for the Jakeson fiasco.  Why wouldn't he forgive Sam?

I know Jason forgave Robin, but that did not happen overnight and they never reconciled as a couple.  Sam terrorized two small children and their mother, and Jason is/was all about children, so it never made any sense that he would ever take his ex back.

[LeftPhalange]

1 hour ago, Darklazr said:

I know Jason forgave Robin, but that did not happen overnight and they never reconciled as a couple.  Sam terrorized two small children and their mother, and Jason is/was all about children, so it never made any sense that he would ever take his ex back.

Liez kept Jason away from Danny and he forgave her in two hours. He also didn't get anry with her after she fucked with Danny's DNA tests. 

Edited January 24, 2017 by LeftPhalange

[HeatLifer]

6 hours ago, Darklazr said:

 

I know Jason forgave Robin, but that did not happen overnight and they never reconciled as a couple.  Sam terrorized two small children and their mother, and Jason is/was all about children, so it never made any sense that he would ever take his ex back.

The reason Jason and Robin never got back together was because she outgrew his stunted, killer ass. She had goals and dreams; she was an overachiever with something to prove. He wanted to kill for Sonny and be true to his mobster heart. Jason told Liz that Robin couldn't be happy with him. He even told Courtney that Robin "fell out of love with him first." I'll have to find that scene. My point is, AJ/Michael was an incident that happened, yes. But Jason didn't hold all the power in terms of deciding whether him and Robin would be together or not.

[Darklazr]

4 hours ago, HeatLifer said:

The reason Jason and Robin never got back together was because she outgrew his stunted, killer ass. She had goals and dreams; she was an overachiever with something to prove. He wanted to kill for Sonny and be true to his mobster heart. Jason told Liz that Robin couldn't be happy with him. He even told Courtney that Robin "fell out of love with him first." I'll have to find that scene. My point is, AJ/Michael was an incident that happened, yes. But Jason didn't hold all the power in terms of deciding whether him and Robin would be together or not.

We will agree to disagree.  I know KMc pushed back on JnR 2.0, because she did not want to be involved in the JaSam mess, which is why the show brought on Patrick.  Otherwise, JnR would have probably reunited instead of Liason.  Regardless, I was never a JnR fan.

[HeatLifer]

2 hours ago, Darklazr said:

We will agree to disagree.  I know KMc pushed back on JnR 2.0, because she did not want to be involved in the JaSam mess, which is why the show brought on Patrick.  Otherwise, JnR would have probably reunited instead of Liason.  Regardless, I was never a JnR fan.

But does it really matter what could have happened? What happened on our screens is what happened. And Jason wasn't the one who refused to take Robin back or the one who decided they would never get back together. There are two parties here who made decisions, not just him.

But, yes, we can agree to disagree. :P

[ulkis]

Did Edward actually marry Lila for her money?

[ulkis]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea03d5n08Hs

yeees, no one had this up before. And lmao at the title. Probably the best moment in a shit year. Top five, anyway.

Edited January 30, 2017 by ulkis

[Asp Burger]

When original Carly arrived in town in 1996, was she having mysterious phone conversations in which she updated someone on the "plan" ("It's working perfectly" type conversations)? And then that part of it was just dropped; she was Bobbie's long-lost daughter seeking revenge for her own reason, not working with anyone. Can anyone flesh this out? 

[dubbel zout]

On 1/30/2017 at 3:13 PM, ulkis said:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ea03d5n08Hs

"See, unfortunately in the real world, Morgan, you can't whine your way out of the consequences." Où est le Dante d'antan?

[SlovakPrincess]

I would have to agree that, in the long run, Jason would not have been enough for Robin.  Heck, I could never figure out how Jason didn't die of boredom after years of working for Sonny and dealing with Carly's idiocy.   Even with all the violence and "betrayals", Jason's life has sure bored the crap out of me!  

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When original Carly arrived in town in 1996, was she having mysterious phone conversations in which she updated someone on the "plan" ("It's working perfectly" type conversations)? And then that part of it was just dropped; she was Bobbie's long-lost daughter seeking revenge for her own reason, not working with anyone. Can anyone flesh this out? 

Not sure about this one, although I very vaguely remember Carly had a female sort of friend for a short while, who was also a student nurse, and was also terrible at being a student nurse, and may have been in on some of Carly's early plans to seduce Tony.  (I remember that character for the sole reason that the actress later played Anya on Buffy).  

Edited February 7, 2017 by SlovakPrincess

[LegalParrot81]

On 1/28/2017 at 1:07 PM, ulkis said:

Did Edward actually marry Lila for her money?

I believe Edward and Lila both came from old East coast money.  Husband #1, Crane Tolliver on the other hand, while loving Lila, maybe loved her family money even more.

Edited February 7, 2017 by LegalParrot81

[ulkis]

Thanks!

Other random history question, for any takers: did Julian call Olivia "Liv" in their original stints too?

I was watching the who shot Olivia story and :fans self: at scruffy Scorpio at the start of the story. Also I thought Julian was going to be a bit more intense but no he seemed like a goof then too, so consistency on that at least I guess.

[UYI]

On 2/2/2017 at 7:54 AM, Asp Burger said:

When original Carly arrived in town in 1996, was she having mysterious phone conversations in which she updated someone on the "plan" ("It's working perfectly" type conversations)? And then that part of it was just dropped; she was Bobbie's long-lost daughter seeking revenge for her own reason, not working with anyone. Can anyone flesh this out? 

This is just a guess, but Carly did say that it was a private investigator who tracked her down in Pensacola and told her Bobbie was her mother. Maybe it was him? 

Edited February 7, 2017 by UYI

[WendyCR72]

It just occurred to me that it was 10 years ago this month (!) that we had the whole MetroCourt Hostage Crisis. Remember when there was some actual action? Some stakes? (Even if I HATED Alan dying as he did.)

Just shows how far this show has fallen...

[HeatLifer]

That reminds me of Drunk!Robin! and the poor strippers who were just trying to make a living. 

[WendyCR72]

4 minutes ago, HeatLifer said:

That reminds me of Drunk!Robin! and the poor strippers who were just trying to make a living. 

That was awesome. I just wish we had actually seen Robin scissor kick the guy and not just have heard about it! And hey, Robin had FRIENDS in Lainey and Kelly. Foreign concept now on this iteration.

[dubbel zout]

7 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

It just occurred to me that it was 10 years ago this month (!) that we had the whole MetroCourt Hostage Crisis. Remember when there was some actual action? Some stakes? (Even if I HATED Alan dying as he did.)

It brought us Sebastian Roché as the un-Jerry Jacks, darling!

[Cheyanne11]

9 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

It just occurred to me that it was 10 years ago this month (!) that we had the whole MetroCourt Hostage Crisis. Remember when there was some actual action? Some stakes? (Even if I HATED Alan dying as he did.)

Just shows how far this show has fallen...

Oh, wow.  Now that was a good sweeps period.  Remember Maxie locked in the vault with that other tree she ended up being into for awhile (cannot remember his name)?  Robin getting shot and Carly having to do the surgery?  Man, that was a solid month of shows.  

[WendyCR72]

5 hours ago, Cheyanne11 said:

Remember Maxie locked in the vault with that other tree she ended up being into for awhile (cannot remember his name)?

Pretty Cooper Barrett (and I'm guessing he was supposed to be tied to Brenda, but it went nowhere!) played by Jason Gerhardt.

[dubbel zout]

11 minutes ago, WendyCR72 said:

I'm guessing he was supposed to be tied to Brenda

There was absolutely no mention of Brenda by anyone on the show when they heard his name. I remember the snarking about that. 

Edited February 9, 2017 by dubbel zout

[WendyCR72]

3 minutes ago, dubbel zout said:

There was absolutely no mention of Brenda by anyone on the show when they heard his name. I remember the snarking about that. 

Yeah, but the first season of GH: Night Shift (or Night Shit, as I had called that season!) sort of started to touch upon it with a burned Brenda lookalike. But then it went nowhere.

[stlbf]

*sigh* I miss Coop. Still wish he really did have clones/twin/triplet brothers. He really was the best thing ever for Maxie.

[Ambrosefolly]

19 hours ago, WendyCR72 said:

It just occurred to me that it was 10 years ago this month (!) that we had the whole MetroCourt Hostage Crisis. Remember when there was some actual action? Some stakes? (Even if I HATED Alan dying as he did.)

Just shows how far this show has fallen...

 

I love how things have gotten so bad, that the MetroCrisis/Annual killing of a Q is remembered fondly. But then again, we had the supporting writers there to make the show bearable, even if everything was geared towards the further deification of St. Jasus, the Holy Hitman. Jasus going in the rescue everybody, Jasus finding out from Liz that she was carrying his son, Jasus being sad because Alan died.

[coffee drinker]

13 hours ago, dubbel zout said:

It brought us Sebastian Roché as the un-Jerry Jacks, darling!

And was the catalyst for the close real-life friendship that developed between SR and IR.  "Brothers from different mothers."  

[ulkis]

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Wow, Ned hasn't been married since Katherine/Lois?  And then there was the failed engagement to Alexis, then Skye briefly (and grossly), and then...nothing 'til Olivia? 

Responding to @TeeVee329 here

I do think it was weird that they didn't let Ned and Alexis get married. They had been dating for a pretty long time and then they just ended the relationship so randomly and never returned to it. Does anyone remember when WK went off-contract? Maybe that had something to do with it.

[TeeVee329]

Oh no because, duh, who I forgot on my list in the other thread was Alexis' sister Kristina, THAT'S who Ned got with after him and Alexis went bust.

[Ambrosefolly]

On 2/9/2017 at 10:21 PM, coffee drinker said:

And was the catalyst for the close real-life friendship that developed between SR and IR.  "Brothers from different mothers."  

It never bother me that much that SR was a recast of Jerry Jack, because he and IR shared so much of the same coloring, but it always bothered me that they turned Mr.Craig into Jerry Jacks instead of pulling a Michael Easton with him. Fucking Guza.

Edited February 22, 2017 by Ambrosefolly

[stlbf]

I would've happily accepted SR as a 3rd Jacks brother. And because he had chosen a life of crime and violence, the Jacks had cut him off completely. Because there is just no fucking way that jokey nice Jerry Jacks turned into Mr. Craig. No fucking sense. What so ever.

[Oracle42]

That would have been a much better option

[dubbel zout]

Or Jerry could have turned into Mr. Craig that one time because he was being blackmailed or something, but turned back into the Jerry we knew after the hostage business. But as usual, the show chose the worst possible option.

[TheMediaHo]

Edward and Lila hailed from "a town known as Oyster Bay, Long Island" (Billy Joel, "The Ballad of Billy the Kid"), my hometown. I believe they took the Quartermaine yacht down there when Ned and Lois were getting married in Bensonhurst. I think Felicia went to Oyster Bay while researching Lila's "mem-wahs."

[Melgaypet]

On 2/22/2017 at 1:18 AM, stlbf said:

I would've happily accepted SR as a 3rd Jacks brother. And because he had chosen a life of crime and violence, the Jacks had cut him off completely. Because there is just no fucking way that jokey nice Jerry Jacks turned into Mr. Craig. No fucking sense. What so ever.

Headcanon accepted! Sebastian Roche's character is named Jarvis, and he stole his brother Jerry's identity and none of his family members call him on it because he is a psycho and they don't want to poke the bear. (Real Jerry is in hiding and wants nothing to do with any of this mess.)

I for reals don't find this scenario any more ridiculous than many that have actually occurred on this show.

[HeatLifer]

Robin's birthday party in 1992 was LIT. I miss live bands/groups/singers and large parties filled with a bunch of characters and extras.

[Asp Burger]

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I do think it was weird that they didn't let Ned and Alexis get married. They had been dating for a pretty long time and then they just ended the relationship so randomly and never returned to it. Does anyone remember when WK went off-contract? Maybe that had something to do with it.

I'm trying to remember the chronology.  They never really got back together after the Runaway Bride story in 2000, did they? They tried without success, and later they colluded on the fiction that Baby Kristina was Ned's, and Sonny thought they were back together, but they were not.

However, Ned was a prominent character for several years (2001-05) after Runaway Bride. He had the relationship with Big Kristina; he was one of what seems like about six guys Faith Roscoe hooked up with (sexually and otherwise) in her anti-Sonny vendetta; he was conspiring with Skye to take Sonny down; he was romantically involved with Skye; he was trying to take Baby Kristina from Alexis. 

The behind-the-scenes deal in the years around Runaway Bride was that Wally Kurth wanted the Nexis relationship/storyline, and Nancy Lee Grahn did not. She was all about Sexis. It was a pecking-order thing, I think. A relationship with MB's character was good for NLG (...yes, yes, but you know what I mean -- air time, story importance, leading lady). A relationship with NLG's character was good for WK, because what else was there for him at that time?   

NLG gave a notorious interview in early 2002 in which she said that the material with Sonny was the first she had had on GH that she had really been happy with. She said she loved Constance Towers and Stephen Nichols personally, but that all the Cassadine stuff was just a Dark Shadows retread that Alexis didn't fit into ("You can't do the Cassadines"), and that Ned had been this "boring guy." The Alexis/Sonny/Carly triangle, and the storyline of Alexis being attracted to Sonny but repelled by his way of life, was more to her liking.  

I will admit, I was relieved they never went back to Nexis. That period when they were always smugly talking about being their respective families' "gatekeepers" was not anything I enjoyed.  I tend not to like "peas in a pod" couples for dramatic purposes, where there's a lot of the same thing in one place, and those two could be awfully self-congratulatory. Then, there was also that Eddie's Angel business, which was a lot less funny than the show thought it was. NLG was/is lovely and all, but I just never believed teenage boys (1) would be fans of Ned and his music in the first place and (2) would find NLG in lingerie a great sex symbol and viral sensation.  

Edited February 27, 2017 by Asp Burger