S03.E06: Red Dirt

[raven]

Loyalty wavers at the Ranch; news of incoming danger spreads in the community; Madison struggles to keep everyone together; Nick grapples with a hard truth.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

Dayton is brutally honest, he's there for the paycheck.

Looks like we'll get some action next week.

 

 

:Prayer circle around Daniel and Strand:

[JackONeill]

I'll ask: Where's Opelia?

[MrsRafaelBarba]

17 minutes ago, JackONeill said:

I'll ask: Where's Opelia?

 

 

I spotted her in next week's promo.

Appears she is with Walker and his people.

[SimoneS]

41 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

I spotted her in next week's promo.

Appears she is with Walker and his people.

Seriously, I hope that Ophelia is having sex with Walker because he is too hot and sexy to pass up.  

Edited July 3, 2017 by SimoneS

[Starchild]

I find that Madison's ruthlessness makes her a little unlikable as a protagonist.

[For Cereals]

Troy is going to backfire.  Psychopaths don't know how to control it.  

Is Chris getting desperate for guests?  Last week Snookie, this week Sinbad?  I know Chris likes to fan out, but you don't have to be friends with EVERYBODY.

[william0102]

2 minutes ago, Starchild said:

I find that Madison's ruthlessness makes her a little unlikable as a protagonist.

Her ruthlessness is the only thing that makes her watchable for me. She's not the best mom, her plans have never been great. Seriously, I liked when she understood Daniel torturing that soldier Ofelia was sleeping with, and when she took over the hotel- literally everything else she's done is unlikable for me. Emotions are literally this woman's weakness in every sense of the word.

I was underwhelmed by this episode. Same old sh*t with Otto. Nick is kinda whatever, although I like that he brought up that he wasn't pleased with Madison not telling him. I love that Alicia basically admitted to wh*ring herself out and Madison was just like: *shrug* get a better plan than pulling out. I swear Alicia has to be adopted- why else does Madison just disregard her so much. I appreciated that Jake at least tried to do something, but yeah, he's on his way to the crazytrain. And same old stuff with Crazypants Troy *snore*. Hopefully next week will be more interesting.

[Starchild]

1 hour ago, Denim Dreams said:

Is Chris getting desperate for guests?  Last week Snookie, this week Sinbad?  I know Chris likes to fan out, but you don't have to be friends with EVERYBODY.

Sinbad was more interesting than Dayton. Now that was a disappointment.

[Muffyn]

One of the greatest suspension of disbelief things for me is all of the people who decide to open up to Madison.  I know she was a school counselor so  she should have skills to help people.  But this is Madison.  We've seen her fine emotional skills.  We also see her decide to trust Troy to control himself.  She's never seen him control himself.  In fact, she's seen the exact opposite.  But ooh, she gave him a stern taking to.  That'll fix his psycho killer tendencies.  Troy will be A-Okay (for about 30 seconds). 

And junkie Nick is suddenly the voice of reason.

And these folks must be able to manufacture bullets the way they go through them.  Or they're just dumbasses that are going to run through their ammunition.

And they're able to keep shooting off guns without any dead hearing and strolling their way.

Why do I torture myself with this show?

Edited July 3, 2017 by Muffyn

[thuganomics85]

Wait, so Troy did in fact murder that family?  Did no one notice him suddenly taking off after they just left?  And how did he get the drop on all of them, unless they are all really that lame and just stood there and let him shoot each and every one of them?  Whatever, it happened and yet Madison is still convinced he could be who they need to lead the Ranch.  Because nothing bad ever happens with backing the unpredictable psychopath!

Basically, the feud seems to be because this Native American person they met last week believe the land really belongs to them (considering how shifty Otto is, I believe him), and wants everyone out.  But now that Madison and Otto are putting the family's death on them, this is likely going to be war.  Well, Jake is going to try and negotiate (and I suspect Alicia will try and follow him), but I don't see what working.

I see Fear is now getting into the "horse becomes Walker chow" that the O.G. one loves to do.

Aww, don't worry, Nick.  Even if Madison doesn't always let you in on her plans, you're still her favorite!  If Alicia does go after Jake, I can totally see Madison not realizing she is missing until several days after.

No Strand or Daniel this go around.  And Ophelia is still missing in action.

Can't believe that next week is already the midseason finale.

[Nashville]

7 minutes ago, thuganomics85 said:

Basically, the feud seems to be because this Native American person they met last week believe the land really belongs to them (considering how shifty Otto is, I believe him), and wants everyone out.

There's actually a good bit of real-world precedence for disputes such as this, especially in the southern border states - and the grounds for the dispute might not necessarily have anything to do with Jeremiah Otto directly, but might go back generations before them.  I have friends in New Mexico whose grandparents' home was burned in 1964 over a land dispute which went back to pre-statehood land grants issued in the mid-1800s.

[LocimusPrime]

Maddison is trying to adopt a southwest/ Texas accent. She's trying to have more a drawl y'all 

[Nashville]

3 minutes ago, LocimusPrime said:

Maddison is trying to adopt a southwest/ Texas accent. She's trying to have more a drawl y'all 

Tell her to keep trying; to me she sounds like a Midwestern weatherperson with adenoid issues.

[LocimusPrime]

These are the most unprepared and scared preppers in the entire world. I'm from Texas, and we have lots of preppers here...I'm not talking about country folk, even the urbanites are preppers. 

 

Most preppers kinda want the apocalypse to happen. Lol 

[Nashville]

9 minutes ago, LocimusPrime said:

Maddison is trying to adopt a southwest/ Texas accent. She's trying to have more a drawl y'all 

 

5 minutes ago, Nashville said:

Tell her to keep trying; to me she sounds like a Midwestern weatherperson with adenoid issues.

Actually... upon reflection, a Texas accent is sorta fucked up.  You know, considering Madison is from Alabama and all....

[LocimusPrime]

• Why does Jacobs room and the old couples house look so unfinished. No sheet rock, looks shabbily constructed. 
• Why are people sleeping tents still. No other accommodations available. Couldn't they get some abandonded rvs, mobile homes, or build some more bunkhouses 
• this prepper community did a good job with supplies and weapons, but poorly with accommodations and community defenses - better walls, watch towers ect 

[Nashville]

14 hours ago, LocimusPrime said:

• Why does Jacobs room and the old couples house look so unfinished. No sheet rock, looks shabbily constructed. 

Can't speak to Jake's room - but the "old couple's house" is the house which burned down last episode - the wood portions, at least; the adobe walls were unaffected by the fire.  Nick was rebuilding it post-fire to be a dwelling for himself and Luciana, but she apparently wasn't ready to commit to a long-term lease with Nick.  ;>

 

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• Why are people sleeping tents still. No other accommodations available. Couldn't they get some abandonded rvs, mobile homes, or build some more bunkhouses 
• this prepper community did a good job with supplies and weapons, but poorly with accommodations and community defenses - better walls, watch towers ect 

Have to keep in mind although we've been watching this shi- er, show for three years now, storyline-wise FTWD is only about six weeks into the global outbreak. 

Prior to the outbreak, I believe the only full-time compound occupants were the "founders" plus a few other families; the rest were Jeremiah's "subscribers" who came pretty shortly after the shit hit the fan - in response to the outbreak news reports, but early enough to have avoided any significant contact with the infected.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Nashville
Three years, not four.

[MostlyContent]

21 minutes ago, LocimusPrime said:

Why are people sleeping tents still. No other accommodations available. Couldn't they get some abandonded rvs, mobile homes, or build some more bunkhouses 

There are a lot of very fancy RVs there.  Too bad because walkers love RVs.  

I assume that the tent people arrived since everything went to hell.  5-6 weeks ago?  

[Gobi]

4 hours ago, LocimusPrime said:

These are the most unprepared and scared preppers in the entire world. I'm from Texas, and we have lots of preppers here...I'm not talking about country folk, even the urbanites are preppers. 

 

Most preppers kinda want the apocalypse to happen. Lol 

Maybe we've got it wrong. They're not preppers, they're preppies. That would explain a lot.

[JackONeill]

I realize morals are not as simple as right and wrong. But I think what they did with Troy was screw up a semi-good thing. They had this guy who was borderline psycho. But he had moments when he seemed to show that he knew what he was doing, and his men seemed to respect him (true, maybe that's only with a little "r" and not a capital "R").

But now he killed that family -- a family he had known all his life. To me, that signals that Madison's plan, whatever it is, is going to fail horribly (and not just because she's Madison).

I also suspect that after next episode -- the two-hour mid season finale -- we won't be seeing the ranch and Otto anymore. (Maybe, we'll take up with Walker for the last half of the season.)

This show, unlike the mother ship, doesn't dilly-dally. The boat was over and done In 5-6 episodes, and same with the hotel. I've had squirrels in my attic who have stayed longer. But, I'm not complaining. With these actors, I think it's best to keep changing the backdrop.

Edited July 3, 2017 by JackONeill

[notcreative enough]

I should have asked this last week but will we ever find out what happened at the hotel.

The name Walker keeps screwing with my head. When they were talking about Walker's people all I could think is the dead don't know how to be organized. 

Oh Madison you can't control crazy whatever the plan with Troy is won't work. He killed people he knew his whole life your weird mommy vibes aren't going to save you. If she plans on puppet mastering Troy it's not going to work a war is coming. At least Rick and co tried to teach his people to fight. A bunch of mediocre preppers does not make an army.

Alicia and Nick need to leave their bat shit crazy mother. The ranch isn't save anymore and Madison is turning it into a death trap. 

[JackONeill]

1 hour ago, notcreative enough said:

The name Walker keeps screwing with my head. When they were talking about Walker's people all I could think is the dead don't know how to be organized. 

 

I keep thinking of walkers, as in zombies (sssh, we're not supposed to say that.) I understand that the people on this show-- being enlightened Californians -- don't use the word walkers. But now, the people on this show are using the word Walker.

And then: I keep waiting for Chuck Norris, or Walker, to come jumping off a helicopter, as only a true Texas Ranger can. (Apparently, Travis wasn't a Texas Ranger. Otherwise, he could have held on to the skids...even after being shot. It takes more than one bullet to kill one Ranger...yet with some walkers that's all it takes. Man, this is confusing.)

And then what happens if this show moves to a nursing home and someone yells, "Get the walkers!"  What will happen then? If we take the tennis balls off the bottom of the walkers (the actual walking contraptions), will that mean that the walkers (zombies, but shhhh) won't be able to go anywhere? They'll be stuck in place? Beth should have tried that in the hospital. It would have changed everything. (oops. other show. sshhh.)

Edited July 3, 2017 by JackONeill

[MrsRafaelBarba]

9 hours ago, Starchild said:

Sinbad was more interesting than Dayton. Now that was a disappointment.

Dayton clearly gives no phucks, only there for the check.

Didn't bother with pretense of caring.

[JackONeill]

2 minutes ago, MrsRafaelBarba said:

Dayton clearly gives no phucks, only there for the check.

Didn't bother with pretense of caring.

My thoughts exactly. In a way it was sad, because he kept using "Madison's" name when referring to the actor, but he'd catch and correct himself. So much for them being the best of buds.

[nodorothyparker]

I'm kind of disappointed to learn that the strong prepper compound we were introduced to is apparently made up mostly of johnny come latelys who want to bolt at the first sign of any real pushback to their presence there.  Then what's the point at all except finding yet another way for the franchise to set up people who shouldn't be alive even this far into the apocalypse and can easily be taken over by our primary characters?  Madison clearly thinks she's being clever trying to Lady Macbeth an obvious headcase so she can eventually rule through him if it comes to that, but she's ignoring the cardinal rule that psychopaths gotta psychopath and that that will almost assuredly eventually bite her in the ass.  I will give the show credit for not dragging the who killed the RV family out or letting us as the audience believe it was the boogeyman outside the fences, as well as letting us see that both Nick and Madison immediately saw it too.   I just wish they hadn't named their adversary Walker in a franchise that's riddled them even if they never say it on this show.

The show also gets points for including birth control on the pantry master shopping list, no matter how implausible I might actually find it with this bunch.  The mothership crew could take a lesson.

[walnutqueen]

3 hours ago, icemiser69 said:

One of the things I hate most about this show and the mothership, the killing off of animals even if it isn't real.

Ditto.  Those are the only scenes I ff through (even on other shows - an animal's suffering is unbearable to me).  :-(

[nodorothyparker]

Maybe it's because they go to such great pains on the followup show to demonstrate both how they did it and that no real animals were hurt that I find myself largely indifferent.  I don't know.  At this point if anything in this genre shows us an animal, any animal, I automatically assume we'll be sitting through its death scene usually within a matter of minutes.

[Nashville]

4 hours ago, JackONeill said:

I realize morals are not as simple as right and wrong. But I think what they did with Troy was screw up a semi-good thing. They had this guy who was borderline psycho. But he had moments when he seemed to show that he knew what he was doing, and his men seemed to respect him (true, maybe that's only with a little "r" and not a capital "R").

But now he killed that family -- a family he had known all his life. To me, that signals that Madison's plan, whatever it is, is going to fail horribly (and not just because she's Madison).

That depends on what exactly Madison's plan is - assuming she has an actual plan formulated in her head, of course, and isn't simply pushing wood in the hope her moves somehow magically assemble themselves into an actual strategy.

Madison's intent with Troy, however, is transparent as hell.  Madison views Troy as a weapon - one which has been ill-used and poorly maintained over the years and might blow up in her face when she attempts to use it - but Madison appears to think she can manipulate this weapon to function as an extension of her will.  

I'm not totally clear on what Madison thinks her long game is, but several issues seem clear:

• Madison doesn't favorably view the compound's current chances for survival under the leadership of the Ottos; in fact, I think she sees a developing schism as imminent.
• Madison foresees an impending power struggle between her family and other forces - Jeremiah Otto (and maybe Jake as well), Walker and his tribe, etc.
• Madison sees Troy (and possibly whatever militia might follow him) as instrumental to resolving such conflicts in her favor.
• Insofar as the primary conflict over camp control would be between the Clarks and the Ottos, Madison is attempting to remodel Troy and direct him to subvert his own family dynamic in deference to perceived loyalty to/from Madison.

Yes, Jeremiah and Troy have demonstrated a less-than-ideal father/son dynamic - but that's a lifetime-long blood relationship which runs SO deep.  Can Madison truly shift Troy's paternal-maternal allegiance from Jeremiah to herself with just a few significantly weighted bits of conversation here and there?  

I'll tell you right now - if Madison pulls this off, it will make me paranoid as hell of every high school guidance counselor I've ever known.

 

 

2 hours ago, JackONeill said:

I keep thinking of walkers, as in zombies (sssh, we're not supposed to say that.) I understand that the people on this show-- being enlightened Californians -- don't use the word walkers. But now, the people on this show are using the word Walker.

And then: I keep waiting for Chuck Norris, or Walker, to come jumping off a helicopter, as only a true Texas Ranger can. (Apparently, Travis wasn't a Texas Ranger. Otherwise, he could have held on to the skids...even after being shot. It takes more than one bullet to kill one Ranger...yet with some walkers that's all it takes. Man, this is confusing.)

And then what happens if this show moves to a nursing home and someone yells, "Get the walkers!"  What will happen then? If we take the tennis balls off the bottom of the walkers (the actual walking contraptions), will that mean that the walkers (zombies, but shhhh) won't be able to go anywhere? They'll be stuck in place? Beth should have tried that in the hospital. It would have changed everything. (oops. other show. sshhh.)

So - will Walker and Walker team up to go after walkers?  Or since Walker stoke the militia's vehicles and shoes and made them hoof it back to camp, would they now be considered Walkers as well?  In which case Walker and Walker could be faced with dealing with both the walkers AND the Walkers...?

:D

[maystone]

19 minutes ago, Nashville said:

That depends on what exactly Madison's plan is - assuming she has an actual plan formulated in her head, of course, and isn't simply pushing wood in the hope her moves somehow magically assemble themselves into an actual strategy.

Madison's intent with Troy, however, is transparent as hell.  Madison views Troy as a weapon - one which has been ill-used and poorly maintained over the years and might blow up in her face when she attempts to use it - but Madison appears to think she can manipulate this weapon to function as an extension of her will.  

I'm not totally clear on what Madison thinks her long game is, but several issues seem clear:

• Madison doesn't favorably view the compound's current chances for survival under the leadership of the Ottos; in fact, I think she sees a developing schism as imminent.
• Madison foresees an impending power struggle between her family and other forces - Jeremiah Otto (and maybe Jake as well), Walker and his tribe, etc.
• Madison sees Troy (and possibly whatever militia might follow him) as instrumental to resolving such conflicts in her favor.
• Insofar as the primary conflict over camp control would be between the Clarks and the Ottos, Madison is attempting to remodel Troy and direct him to subvert his own family dynamic in deference to perceived loyalty to/from Madison.

Yes, Jeremiah and Troy have demonstrated a less-than-ideal father/son dynamic - but that's a lifetime-long blood relationship which runs SO deep.  Can Madison truly shift Troy's paternal-maternal allegiance from Jeremiah to herself with just a few significantly weighted bits of conversation here and there?  

I'll tell you right now - if Madison pulls this off, it will make me paranoid as hell of every high school guidance counselor I've ever known.

I was thinking along those lines, too. I don't think that Madison has had the time to formulate a long-term plan; she's going on what little she's been able to garner through watching and listening to what's going on in the group. She's been pretty perceptive about power dynamics right from the start, especially compared to the late Mr. Madison. It was a smart move to volunteer for the mission to find the outpost crew.

I don't know that she has long-term plans for Troy. She definitely needs him and his militia in the now and the immediate future, but I think that after they successfully hold off the Walkers (assuming that happens), she'd be looking for a way to make the militia trust in her more than Troy. It wouldn't be hard to show Troy in a bad light, especially since he seems to be barely able to control himself now.

His bond to his dad is a blood bond, for sure, but it looks like the blood part is more than metaphor between them. It's canon that Troy was abused by both of his parents, and we saw Jeremiah draw blood in this episode. You know that's not the first time that's happened. I think the most difficult thing for Madison is going to be driving a wedge between Troy and Jake. That's the bond that's strongest for Troy, and since Jake has been his protector and his ally for all of his life, he is going to be the biggest obstruction to Madison gaining control.

[MrsRafaelBarba]

4 hours ago, notcreative enough said:

I should have asked this last week but will we ever find out what happened at the hotel.

 

 

 

When Travis and the others fled, things were starting to crumble then.

 

By the time Strand was exiled, it appeared to be getting worse.

 

My guess..

 

 

The place got overrun, from within or a herd breached the gate.

 

Pretty sure some folks did escape, we didn't see any known characters as walkers.

[Gobi]

Whether or not Madison has a strategy, the template for this show is clear. The main characters find a seemingly safe locale, which then goes all to hell. I don't expect the ranch to survive the mid-season finale. I predict (and I am almost 100% inaccurate in my predictions on this website) there will be a battle between the Cowboys and the Indians, the noise of which will attract walkers (not Walker, he's already there; nor Walker, Texas Ranger, either, because if a Chuck Norris character existed in the FTWD universe, the ZA would already be over), who proceed to overrun the place. Madison, Nick, and Alicia will escape, and the last shot will be of Madison looking back with an inscrutable expression (which is to say, the same one she always has).

[Ohwell]

What I find interesting is Madison/Troy vs. Alicia/Jake because both of the women are pushing their men to take the lead.

[Nashville]

45 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

What I find interesting is Madison/Troy vs. Alicia/Jake because both of the women are pushing their men to take the lead.

What *I* find interesting is whether it's playing find-my-pistol with Nick or here's-your-napkin with Troy, Madison seems unable to avoid infusing maternal actions with sexual overtones.  Which is to say - Ew.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Nashville

[nodorothyparker]

Oh god, I forgot about that.  There was another one of those weird moments with Troy this episode too that I can't remember now.  Is it bad acting or a deliberate choice for Madison to be coming across as vaguely sexual with grown young men she's supposed to be mothering, whether surrogate or actual blood child?  Because yeah, double ew.  

[JackONeill]

1 minute ago, Nashville said:

What *I* find interesting is whether it's playing find-my-pistol with Nick or here's-your-napkin with Troy, Madison seems unable to avoid infusing maternal actions with sexual overtones.  Which is to say - Ew.

I was thinking about this earlier. Without a male lead (and let's be serious, we don't have one)(and as Gale Anne Hurd said on TWD "Madison/Kim is #1 on the call sheet!"), I hope TPTB come up with better ways for Madison, Alicia and Ofelia (if she ever shows) to handle problems rather through a sexual domination way. Although, in a somewhat primitive and base way, it works. Still, I'm surprised more feminists haven't latched onto this in a negative way. Unless, it isn't negative. And in today's world, with Trump and everything, who knows??!!??  I also realize: It's just a TV show!

[Ohwell]

12 minutes ago, Nashville said:

What *I* find interesting is whether it's playing find-my-pistol with Nick or here's-your-napkin with Troy, Madison seems unable to avoid infusing maternal actions with sexual overtones.  Which is to say - Ew.

Yes, "infusing maternal actions with sexual overtones" is an appropriate description of Madison's actions.  Which is why I'm hoping Troy will snap and kill her.  Of course, Nick (and, of course, Alicia) will be sad, but at least he'll be "free."  

I even got an "ew" vibe when Nick and Alicia were cleaning her feet because I'm pretty sure she would have been fine with Alicia leaving it to Nick to do. 

[Nashville]

35 minutes ago, Ohwell said:

Yes, "infusing maternal actions with sexual overtones" is an appropriate description of Madison's actions.  Which is why I'm hoping Troy will snap and kill her.  Of course, Nick (and, of course, Alicia) will be sad, but at least he'll be "free."  

I even got an "ew" vibe when Nick and Alicia were cleaning her feet because I'm pretty sure she would have been fine with Alicia leaving it to Nick to do. 

When Troy was on top of Madison with a knife to her throat, I was sensing some MAJOR mixed signals.  Was he going to kill her?  Rape her?  Both?  If so, in which order?  

Make that a triple Ew, with extra cheese, to go.

Edited July 3, 2017 by Nashville

[nodorothyparker]

Okay, that's it.  I'm drawing my official line in the sand here and now.  If Madison and Troy end up having sex while he calls her Mommy, I'm really and truly out.

[Ohwell]

Not to drag this out, but I do get a vibe from Madison that she suspects that Troy is disturbed--that he has maternal/sexual feelings for her, and she's using his weakness to her advantage.  At least for now.  Please snap, Troy.   

[Iguessnot]

Having Madison present during the private meeting of the Ottos to the exclusion of any long term resident of the ranch was so jarringly bad. Forget about that pep talk. There ain't no fire in this woman.

[JackONeill]

I'm tired of murdered animals and I'm tired when our supposed heroes say "We've been out there. You won't make it." Madison's team of Alicia and pansy-ass Nick are hardly the Avengers.

[william0102]

1 hour ago, JackONeill said:

I was thinking about this earlier. Without a male lead (and let's be serious, we don't have one)(and as Gale Anne Hurd said on TWD "Madison/Kim is #1 on the call sheet!"), I hope TPTB come up with better ways for Madison, Alicia and Ofelia (if she ever shows) to handle problems rather through a sexual domination way. Although, in a somewhat primitive and base way, it works. Still, I'm surprised more feminists haven't latched onto this in a negative way. Unless, it isn't negative. And in today's world, with Trump and everything, who knows??!!??  I also realize: It's just a TV show!

I have a problem with the way they have the women characters play up sex. I just know there's no sense in posting about it 99% of the time. People say it's the ZA, of course they want comfort, or I'd have sex a lot because of adrenaline/life affirmation, or similar stuff. I had a problem when Ofelia screwed the soldier, I don't like Alicia and Jake, the only reason I haven't said anything about Madison playing Troy is because I don't think the show would write their lead as sleeping with someone so soon after Travis dying. (please don't have her screw the psycho)

And as nomads and having no supplies of their own, there's nothing else the ranch could want them for- none of them expected Madison to volunteer, and they don't really want Nick around. Troy was beyond obvious that he is attracted to Madison and the only reason why he was nice to the rest of the family. I felt the same about twd as well. Am I happy about the way the show portrays women's "power"? No. Of course this is the same show that actually used the line that there's birth control in the pantry, when it takes two weeks for the pill to become effective, so *shrug*.

Edited July 3, 2017 by william0102

[ottoDbusdriver]

I 'm just surprised that everyone's feet healed so quickly -- both Madison and Troy seemed to walk it off (to borrow phrase) and showed no signs of injury by the next day.

I'd be flinching in pain for days even while wearing shoes after something like that.

[JackONeill]

1 minute ago, ottoDbusdriver said:

I 'm just surprised that everyone's feet healed so quickly -- both Madison and Troy seemed to walk it off (to borrow phrase) and showed no signs of injury by the next day.

I'd be flinching in pain for days even while wearing shoes after something like that.

Everything heals faster in the ZA. I keep expecting Travis to come walking up to the gate.

[nodorothyparker]

Addendum to my earlier declaration:  If Travis shows up at the gate after having been bitten and then fallen out of a helicopter saying "Tis but a scratch. ... It's just a flesh wound," I will proclaim it the greatest show ever.

[Canada]

Wow, even for this show, that was a boring episode.  Nothing happened, then it was over.

[JackONeill]

30 minutes ago, Canada said:

Wow, even for this show, that was a boring episode.  Nothing happened, then it was over.

I approach this show with a great deal of existentialism (and vodka). I judge this show solely on the speed of its nothingness.

[Canada]

Just now, JackONeill said:

I approach this show with a great deal of existentialism (and vodka). I judge this show solely on the speed of its nothingness.

I already drift off while watching this show.  If there was vodka involved, I might as well not even bother watching.

[MDKNIGHT]

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Of course this is the same show that actually used the line that there's birth control in the pantry, when it takes two weeks for the pill to become effective, so *shrug*.

If she said birth control (which I think she did) instead of specifically the pill , then she may have meant there were condoms there.  I think what they call the pantry is more of a storage area for valuable stuff so I don't see why they couldn't have put condoms there especially if they put contraceptive pills there.  Also makes more sense than the pill since you can use a condom without planning to need it weeks into the future and these people can't be sure there is a future.

 

Have mixed feelings about what Madison did regarding lying about who killed that family.  On the one hand I understand doing something to keep the "safe" haven together, since she and her kids are living there now and self preservation is a powerful motivator. OTOH I am appalled by the blaming of a minority for your own ends.  Reminds me of white women in the not too distant pass who lied about black men doing something sexual (in one case that he just whistled at her) to get a black man lynched.  The fact is that Madison's lie will keep the group together but at the cost of Natives getting killed (and some of their own but I guess she feels fewer of them than would die if they wonder off by themselves.)  Funny since she is probably more liberal politically than the Survivalists.  I choose to think she'd do the exact same things if the opposing group were white so she is an amoral manipulator, but not a racist.  (BTW I never saw the first few eps....Travis was Maori but what ethnicity was her kids' father.  Did they ever say? Nick doesn't look fully Caucasian to me.)

 

It strikes me that the show seems to be lurching toward biblical themes.  Jake and Troy seem to be heading toward Caine and Able territory.  Additionally the two brothers wanting to take over for the father reminds me about the story of Jacob and Esau with Jake being Jacob.  Esau/Troy the hunter is violent and not smart.  Jacob is the brainy one.  In that case the mother schemes to put the brainy son in charge through trickery, when the brawny one was going to inherit.  In this case the maternal figure is pushing the dumb one but Alison is pushing the brainy one. The thing was that the smart one in the bible was the one best equipped to lead the Jews in that time and place.  The show may be setting up the question -in the apocalypse which type of leader is the right one to lead THIS group.  It may be that the brainy one gets himself killed and the thug survives. However I'm with whoever said upthread that given what we've seen so far of this show it is more likely neither of these guys makes it.

Anybody thinks the headaches of Jeremiah are cinema short hand for brain tumor is going to kill him any minute so Esau and Jacob can fight over the estate sooner? 

Edited July 4, 2017 by MDKNIGHT
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