S09.E10: Black Out and Get Out

[sasha206]

1 minute ago, BBHN said:

I'm not sure how much of a difference money can make if you have a shitty childhood. You might be able to temporarily feel better because you have material things and access to them, but that won't help you out in the long run.

I also think with most people, we all think "If I was only wealthy I'd be happy."  What happens when you achieve the status of wealth and find out that still doesn't make you happy?  I sometimes think that is where Beth is.  She achieved all of her dreams but is still empty.

[BBHN]

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I also think with most people, we all think "If I was only wealthy I'd be happy."

All money does is, it pays bills and buys you nicer products and services. And a certain relief of not having to live pay check to pay check with each month.

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She achieved all of her dreams but is still empty.

Well, I wouldn't say completely empty...

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[sasha206]

Just now, BBHN said:

All money does is, it pays bills and buys you nicer products.

Well, I wouldn't say completely empty...

Empty might not be the right world.  Unhappy may be better. 

[BBHN]

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Unhappy may be better. 

I think she is happy with certain aspects of her life, and unhappy or unsatisfied with other aspects. 

[mostlylurking]

53 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I'm not sure how much of a difference money can make if you have a shitty childhood. You might be able to temporarily feel better because you have material things and access to them, but that won't help you out in the long run.

I think money can make a world of difference, and money does make a world of difference.  It can not buy happiness, but it can buy the tools necessary to attain happiness.  And I am not talking about material things either.  I am talking therapists, doctors, lawyers, etc.  You just have more OPTIONS being wealthy.  You may not take advantage of these options for a myriad of reasons, or you may feel you can't utilize these options and I can understand that.  But regardless, the options and privileges are there and you have access to the them.  Why is it so wrong to acknowledge the fact that life is just easier with money??  My humble opinion:)

48 minutes ago, BBHN said:

All money does is, it pays bills and buys you nicer products and services. And a certain relief of not having to live pay check to pay check with each month.

That's ALL money does??  That's a lot!

Edited June 12, 2017 by mostlylurking

[sasha206]

8 minutes ago, BBHN said:

I think she is happy with certain aspects of her life, and unhappy or unsatisfied with other aspects. 

Okay, if you must deconstruct my generalism, yes, it's entirely possible to be happy with some aspects of your life but be generally unhappy as well.  I believe at the core, Beth is an unhappy person.  And having money only magnifies that instead of the lack of being the reason why one is unhappy.

[BBHN]

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I think money can make a world of difference, and money does make a world of difference.  It can not but happiness, but it can buy the tools necessary to attain happiness.  And I am not talking about material things either.  I am talking therapists, doctors, lawyers, etc.  You just have more OPTIONS being wealthy.  

Except you are a child, how would you have access to them if your parents don't provide them? Plus, easier doesn't mean happier.

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That's ALL money does??  That's a lot!

But that doesn't guarantee personal happiness or a happy childhood. Again, it solves material issues...but not others.

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Okay, if you must deconstruct my generalism, yes, it's entirely possible to be happy with some aspects of your life but be generally unhappy as well.  I believe at the core, Beth is an unhappy person.  And having money only magnifies that instead of the lack of being the reason why one is unhappy.

Well, besides the messy divorce, she seems to be doing ok. Based on her social media and other sources, she seems to have fun, enjoys her business, and has a good relationship with her daughter.

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[zoeysmom]

7 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

Okay, if you must deconstruct my generalism, yes, it's entirely possible to be happy with some aspects of your life but be generally unhappy as well.  I believe at the core, Beth is an unhappy person.  And having money only magnifies that instead of the lack of being the reason why one is unhappy.

Well she certainly tells us every week how unhappy she is, and how rich she is.  It is almost as if someone needs to give her permission to be happy.  She can't change the past with her parents.  Her father died and she felt he was indifferent, her mother is alive and she is more interested in doing battle and reliving past slights and divides.  Her co-worker/friends disappoint her by either being too inner directed at their interests or happiness.  At one time she was the lady on The Today Show, claiming she was living a fairytale with a child, husband and of course being rich.  Best idea look within to see how that changed.  Maybe she picks situations and friends/lovers who are never going to live up to her expectations.  She really loved Dennis because he saw something in her over the years, but he could not pull the trigger on getting a divorce.  Practical Bethenny would say-stay clear of anyone getting out of along term relationship/marriage.  Unhappy Bethenny chose to see it as a challenge and a way to berate others for her fairly obvious poor choice- a choice she would crucify another for making .

I don't even know if having Bryn full time would make her happy.  It would certainly diminish her self-imposed no business when with Bryn. 

[mostlylurking]

23 minutes ago, BBHN said:

But that doesn't guarantee personal happiness or a happy childhood.

Neither does being poor.  Nothing can guarantee that and I never said anything could.

 

27 minutes ago, BBHN said:

it solves material issues...but not others.

From my post: "It can not buy happiness, but it can buy the tools necessary to attain happiness.  And I am not talking about material things either."  Maybe not as a child but growing up with privilege you have access to certain things as an adult.  Agree to disagree.

[BBHN]

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Neither does being poor.  Nothing can guarantee that and I never said anything could.

Which is also what I was saying.

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Maybe not as a child but growing up with privilege you have access to certain things as an adult

Assuming you still have that privilege when as an adult (not always guaranteed)...and see a need for it.

But yes, agree to disagree.

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[lunastartron]

51 minutes ago, mostlylurking said:

I think money can make a world of difference, and money does make a world of difference.  It can not buy happiness, but it can buy the tools necessary to attain happiness.  And I am not talking about material things either.  I am talking therapists, doctors, lawyers, etc.  You just have more OPTIONS being wealthy.  You may not take advantage of these options for a myriad of reasons, or you may feel you can't utilize these options and I can understand that.  But regardless, the options and privileges are there and you have access to the them.  Why is it so wrong to acknowledge the fact that life is just easier with money??  My humble opinion:)

That's ALL money does??  That's a lot!

Are you suggesting that money could, for example, buy an abused child, oh, I don't know, tuition to boarding school* (and thus a respite from the physical proximity of their abusers)? You don't say! And are you implying that money and affluence might make a difference in determining whether a child is even aware that boarding school might be a viable option for themselves? My mind is blown!

 

* Which has somehow operated for Bethenny as both something for which she asked and yet further evidence of her victimization/neglect by adults depending on when she has relayed the story. 

[mostlylurking]

I stand by everything I said.  All other things being equal, I would choose to be rich any day of the week.  Wasn't it Mae West who said "I've been rich and I've been poor--rich is better."  It doesn't buy happiness?  Let me find out for myself.  Stop being so self conscious rich people;)  It's like when rich white men try to tell us that they too have problems....yes you have problems but generally speaking you have less problems than every other group of people on the planet (sorrynotsorry).

 

I've spent way too long on this topic so I must address something else---What the EFF did Ramona do to Dorinda's guest room???  I was in the minority who thought Ramona really hadn't been acting much crazier than usual lately.  But than that....what?!?!  Dorinda should absolutely sue, you could see she was personally hurt.  Also seeing Ramona in flashbacks really makes me sad for whatever she's done to her face.  It's just....not nice.  Same goes for Jill.

 

Sonja looked great in Dorinda's pj's but who the hell goes around trying on other people's pj's??  Here's another thing money can't buy you - class!  Thank you Countess;)

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[KungFuBunny]

1 hour ago, Martinigirl said:

....and she has the voice of an angel

She dances like Ramona...that is a rare talent

I think this move helped her shift the wedgie.

Love the Electric guitar that requires no electricity...nor sound

[sasha206]

30 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

She dances like Ramona...that is a rare talent

I think this move helped her shift the wedgie.

Love the Electric guitar that requires no electricity...nor sound

In this gif, LuAnn does indeed look like, as Beth and Carole have called her,  LuMan.

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, sasha206 said:

In this gif, LuAnn does indeed look like, as Beth and Carole have called her,  LuMan.

I think I may have caught a glimpse of her nads............eeeeeeeek!

[KungFuBunny]

1 minute ago, sasha206 said:

In this gif, LuAnn does indeed look like, as Beth and Carole have called her,  LuMan.

It's definitely the outfit. If she stood straight and still in this - she could be mistaken for a 2 by 4

[Martinigirl]

2 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

It's definitely the outfit. If she stood straight and still in this - she could be mistaken for a 2 by 4

Did Lu go to the Ramona School of Dance?

[BBHN]

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I would choose to be rich any day of the week

Well, I'm sure most people would, even if it won't solve all of a person's problems and/or guarantee happiness, it would lessen the load somewhat...of course, maybe we should all be like Alexis Carrington...

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Love the Electric guitar that requires no electricity...nor sound

Much like Luann's voice...

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[SCS]

1 hour ago, KungFuBunny said:

She dances like Ramona...that is a rare talent

I think this move helped her shift the wedgie.

Love the Electric guitar that requires no electricity...nor sound

 

Back in the TWoP days, there was a meme on that site's 90210 forum* known as "The Electric Slide to Cure Racism" from some episode that taught us music and dance will let us all get along. Or something. This is the HWs version.

*Alas, I could not find it on YT or would have posted the link -- from what I recall, Tori Spelling's dress is more revealing than Lu's above.

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because I made a boo-boo

[BBHN]

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*Alas, I could not find it on YT or would have posted the link -- from what I recall, Tori Spelling's dress is more revealing that Lu's above.

@steelcitysister You're welcome.

FYI, I literally typed "90210 electric slide to cure racism" on YT and that was the first hit that showed up lol

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[SCS]

1 hour ago, BBHN said:

@steelcitysister You're welcome.

 

 

Thanks, BB, that's the one. I didn't put "90210" in my search query --just "electric slide to cure racism" and got all kinds of other stuff.  Lu could rerelease this with herself in the David role, Victoria as Donna and Moaner as Andrea -- they move the same gazelle-like grace. ;-D

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another typo. sigh.

[BBHN]

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Moaner as Andrea -- they move the same gazelle-like grace

We need to see more scenes this season of Ramona trying to dance.

[BBHN]

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I think this move helped her shift the wedgie.

From the Classy Countess Classics, Chapter 6, Section 3: How to Shift a Wedgie Without the Use of Your Hands.

[Martinigirl]

Just now, BBHN said:

From the Classy Countess Classics, Chapter 6, Section 3: How to Shift a Wedgie Without the Use of Your Hands.

Bahahahahahahaha!!!!!!!!!

[ghoulina]

16 hours ago, sasha206 said:

I get that Beth would be bothered by anyone suggesting that her success wasn't self-made.  But what I don't get is why some drunk, nutty as fuck woman saying these things would make Beth up and leave.  For someone whose motto is "zero fucks" she certainly does seem to give many fucks when the slightest criticism is directed her way.

I can't speak for all instances, but in this case I don't think it was necessarily a matter of WHAT was said. I think she was just exhausted by Ramona, plain and simple. A few weeks back, the broad had used B's daughter as a way to throw B's past out there. Then when B was aloof with her after that, she got all crazed about it and confronted her about how she is with her friends. Then at Dorinda's she claims she wants to apologize, but proceeds to attack Bethenny's character. You know if B didn't leave, Ramona would be in her room 5 minutes later, breathlessly apologizing, then starting another fight when she didn't get the reaction she wanted. She'd start in again at breakfast. She'd follow her to the car. Ramona is relentless and manic and I think Bethenny just didn't want one more minute of being confined in that house with her. 

[ElDosEquis]

1 hour ago, mostlylurking said:

I stand by everything I said.  All other things being equal, I would choose to be rich any day of the week.  Wasn't it Mae West who said "I've been rich and I've been poor--rich is better."  It doesn't buy happiness?  Let me find out for myself.  Stop being so self conscious rich people;)  It's like when rich white men try to tell us that they too have problems....yes you have problems but generally speaking you have less problems than every other group of people on the planet (sorrynotsorry).

 

I've spent way too long on this topic so I must address something else---What the EFF did Ramona do to Dorinda's guest room???  I was in the minority who thought Ramona really hadn't been acting much crazier than usual lately.  But than that....what?!?!  Dorinda should absolutely sue, you could see she was personally hurt.  Also seeing Ramona in flashbacks really makes me sad for whatever she's done to her face.  It's just....not nice.  Same goes for Jill.

 

Sonja looked great in Dorinda's pj's but who the hell goes around trying on other people's pj's??  Here's another thing money can't buy you - class!  Thank you Countess;)

It's ONLY rich white dudes?

I tend to see it as all the "green assholes" who steer the topic - green as in money - sex, faith and color - be damned.

 

I seem to remember some woman posting a photo of her posing in her daughter's pajamas on the twatter.

That was fun to watch.

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I ken spel guud sumetimes,

[ghoulina]

2 hours ago, BBHN said:

think she is happy with certain aspects of her life, and unhappy or unsatisfied with other aspects. 

I agree. Many people think she's totally miserable and I don't. I think she loves her career, her daughter, her friends. But the stuff with Jason is, unfortunately, still very much front and center. And sometimes a big problem like that can seem to eclipse everything else. But I don't see her as 100% unhappy. 

[BBHN]

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You know if B didn't leave, Ramona would be in her room 5 minutes later, breathlessly apologizing, then starting another fight when she didn't get the reaction she wanted. She'd start in again at breakfast. She'd follow her to the car.

Probably follow her into the shower too lol

[KungFuBunny]

30 minutes ago, BBHN said:

We need to see more scenes this season of Ramona trying to dance.

I miss the old duo - Ramonya - their antics reminded me of Romy - Michelle

[BBHN]

If only Simon were here, the three of them could get down...

[zoeysmom]

18 minutes ago, ghoulina said:

I can't speak for all instances, but in this case I don't think it was necessarily a matter of WHAT was said. I think she was just exhausted by Ramona, plain and simple. A few weeks back, the broad had used B's daughter as a way to throw B's past out there. Then when B was aloof with her after that, she got all crazed about it and confronted her about how she is with her friends. Then at Dorinda's she claims she wants to apologize, but proceeds to attack Bethenny's character. You know if B didn't leave, Ramona would be in her room 5 minutes later, breathlessly apologizing, then starting another fight when she didn't get the reaction she wanted. She'd start in again at breakfast. She'd follow her to the car. Ramona is relentless and manic and I think Bethenny just didn't want one more minute of being confined in that house with her. 

Didn't Bethenny tell us a few weeks ago she was done with Ramona?  She would remain cordial but it was the end of the line.  Had Bethenny had even a passing interest in rekindling with Ramona she would have (a) told Ramona they would talk the next morning after breakfast since Ramona was drunk as a skunk and (b) not led with the not a good friend stuff.  Bethenny had more than enough prior to the conversation to not continue with Ramona as a friend, this was just icing on the cake and more screen time.

[KungFuBunny]

3 minutes ago, BBHN said:

If only Simon were here, the three of them could get down...

Maybe the editors at Bravo can create a special hologram

 

Bethenny will be fine with that if we add some SKG signage

[BBHN]

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Didn't Bethenny tell us a few weeks ago she was done with Ramona?  She would remain cordial but it was the end of the line.  Had Bethenny had even a passing interest in rekindling with Ramona she would have (a) told Ramona they would talk the next morning after breakfast since Ramona was drunk as a skunk and (b) not led with the not a good friend stuff.  Bethenny had more than enough prior to the conversation to not continue with Ramona as a friend, this was just icing on the cake and more screen time.

I think Bethenny saw she had 3 options with Ramona, considering how there were all stuck at Dorinda's. Avoid/ignore her, confront her about it and hope it would end there, or leave. Option one didn't work. Option two didn't work. Option three...well, that was the only choice left.

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Maybe the editors at Bravo can create a special hologram

Bethenny will be fine with that if we add some SKG signage

Ooh, dare we dream?

Hell Bethenny will have SKG printed on the back of the hologram...

[ElDosEquis]

The fuck you say!

The BEST lulu performance was on the KTLA morning show.

The absolute best were the cuts to the morons dancing to the tune and the way they ran the credits over her, as they ended the show.

Pure comedy gold.

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Come on now......I didn't deserve that.

[Lemons]

2 hours ago, sasha206 said:

Empty might not be the right world.  Unhappy may be better. 

That's just her personality.  Some people appear to be happy no matter what, others seem miserable no matter what.  

[ElDosEquis]

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Neither does being poor.  Nothing can guarantee that and I never said anything could.

 

From my post: "It can not buy happiness, but it can buy the tools necessary to attain happiness.  And I am not talking about material things either."  Maybe not as a child but growing up with privilege you have access to certain things as an adult.  Agree to disagree.

True. Money cannot buy anyone happiness.

But, you sure can rent an ass-load of it!

[film noire]

3 hours ago, BBHN said:

I'm not sure how much of a difference money can make if you have a shitty childhood. You might be able to temporarily feel better because you have material things and access to them, but that won't help you out in the long run.

A huge difference when it comes to having access to resources  -- boarding school for Bethenny vs foster care for a kid stuck in abuse and poverty. Graduating from a top shelf school (NYU)  vs aging out of the system. Having plenty of disposable cash/or health care coverage to allow you to go into therapy vs. not. Connections gained from having a middle class (and above) childhood, as well as the social legacy of that kind of background (less tangible benefits like social grooming and expectations about college, career, etc) vs rarely having that kind of benefit from years spent as a child thrown into (and all too often, away by) the system.  She could be an advocate for abused kids who didn't get all that.  Instead, Bethenny -- closing in on 50  - is still raging (mostly at others) as if she were a powerless child.

I don't want the mods coming down on me for belaboring the point, so I'll end this where I started: she's lucky she had so many resources to cope with the abuse she lived through. 

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* Which has somehow operated for Bethenny as both something for which she asked and yet further evidence of her victimization/neglect by adults depending on when she has relayed the story. 

Yes. Bethenny was both "shipped away" and "asked to go". Exact opposites. (Then again, that's how I feel -- ship me off! let me go! -- every time she starts one of her rage rants ; )

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[Trooper York]

2 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

 It's like when rich white men try to tell us that they too have problems....yes you have problems but generally speaking you have less problems than every other group of people on the planet (sorrynotsorry).

Really? RIch white men? 

[BBHN]

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boarding school for Bethenny vs foster care for a kid stuck in abuse and poverty. Graduating from a top shelf school (NYU)  vs aging out of the system. Having plenty of disposable cash/or health care coverage to allow you to go into therapy vs. not. Connections gained from having a middle class (and above) childhood, as well as the social legacy of that kind of background (less tangible benefits like social grooming and expectations about college, career, etc) vs rarely having that kind of benefit from years spent as a child thrown into (and all too often, away by) the system.  

None of which erases what happened in that childhood, or how you were treated by family. At best, it's like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound.

[lunastartron]

8 minutes ago, BBHN said:

None of which erases what happened in that childhood, or how you were treated by family. At best, it's like putting a bandaid on a bullet wound.

I haven't read anyone assert that those things "erase what happened in childhood" but having a respite from one's family via the physical remove of one of the best educational pedigrees money can buy; a degree and social network gleaned from one of the most expensive schools in the United States (as well as the healthcare available at said manner of institution); and supplemental financial support at periods in adulthood from one's family (which makes other income disposable and applicable to things like therapy) most certainly arguably "helps you out in the long run."

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[BBHN]

You said it, it's a "respite", nothing more. Even "in the long run".

[ElDosEquis]

The Long Run - Eagles.

I used to hurry a lot I used to worry a lot
I used to stay out till the break of day
Oh, that didn't get it
It was high time I quit it
I just couldn't carry on that way

Oh, I did some damage, I know it's true
Didn't know I was so lonely, till I found you

You can go the distance
We'll find out in the long run (in the long run)
We can handle some resistance
If our love is a strong one (is a strong one)

People talkin' about us
They got nothin' else to do
When it all comes down we will
Still come through

In the long run
Ooh, I want to tell you, it's a long run

You know I don't understand why you don't treat yourself better
Do the crazy things that you do
'Cause all the debutantes in Houston, baby,
Couldn't hold a candle to you

Did you do it for love?
Did you do it for money?
Did you do it for spite?
Did you think you had to, honey?

Who is gonna make it?
We'll find out in the long run (in the long run)
I know we can take it
If our love is a strong one (is a strong one)

Well, we're scared, but we ain't shakin'
Kinda bent, but we ain't breakin' in the long run
Ooh, I want to tell you, it's a long run in the long run
In the long run
In the long run

[Martinigirl]

56 minutes ago, KungFuBunny said:

Maybe the editors at Bravo can create a special hologram

 

Bethenny will be fine with that if we add some SKG signage

LOL!!! Even Simon is looking at her like WTF???? 

1 hour ago, BBHN said:

Well, I'm sure most people would, even if it won't solve all of a person's problems and/or guarantee happiness, it would lessen the load somewhat...of course, maybe we should all be like Alexis Carrington...

Much like Luann's voice...

LMAO!!! @ much like Luann's voice. hahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!

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[zoeysmom]

On ‎6‎/‎10‎/‎2017 at 7:03 PM, hoodooznoodooz said:

Do we know if Ramona really sold that many cases of her wine?

I remember Ramona speaking to having sold 5,000 cases, so that sounds about right-5,000 for sale and 5,000 for personal consumption. 

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

9 minutes ago, BBHN said:

You said it, it's a "respite", nothing more. Even "in the long run".

It is more than a respite. The education alone, does not go away ever. And also when  you can get the perspective and counseling for resources to help you recognize and overcome the challenges you have left behind. She has all of that now and gosh I hope she is pursuing it. But no, she wears it like a hat on RHONY that she "doesn't have parents' woe is me, poor girl, etc.

Bethenny  was largely estranged from her father. Yet, she still benefited even coasts apart then she runs her mouth to diss him and claim she did it alone. This is what drives me crazy. Doesn't have parents. HA Anytime her last name and heritage is known, I know that the starfuckers come out of the woodwork trying to get closer the game the connections, the money and the wins. I wonder if she even realizes it.  Robert Frankel was one of the most well respected and talented horse trainers that has ever walked the earth and this is undisputed. He went into the racing hall of fame the first year he was eligible,  he holds many records on wins, etc and he had  (long term) many of the wealthiest owners in the business including probably 20 30 years working for (among other rich rich rich people) Prince Khalid Bin Abdullah's Juddmonte Farms whose operation of almost 1000 horses is only a hobby.  Now remember, that her dad is a rock star in his industry- and with any industry with fame and top of the game are the clingers and groupies that follow. He's not a movie producer in Hollywood with followers,  this is LEGAL GAMBLING. Money.  In the horse business the entourage idolizes those at the top of the game and they are everywhere.  The money in racing is dependent on the whims of sensitive, delicate animals who undergo subjective conditioning, health and jockeying.  The trainer and his/her access of knowledge is priceless. Horses can't talk and racing forms can't tell you squat about a horse that is running after a night of thunderstorms who was up all night pacing, or a horse who is running without his earplugs in. Those on the backstretch can. So. Many. People. want to get closer to the trainers and Bethenny doesn't have a clue how many times her last name made people's ears perk up-especially in New York having a tremendously wealthy TB racing $$ program-- and suck up to her and help her on the chances of getting closer to that world- to get the lead on the next big horse, the pulse of the track. House of Cards with unpredictable flighty animals as the commodity. 

She benefited a lot from her association to these "awful" people who never helped her as she did it "solo".   One of my biggest gripes with her is that she brags she did it on her own and she doesn't have parents, when I assure you her name alone got her more opportunity than she realized and will ever admit to.  Larry King interviewed her and you should see his face change when he found out she was Bobby Frankel's daughter! 

Get yourself some great EMDR therapy Bethenny, give your parents credit for doing the best of their ability and teaching you to have tenacity and drive.  Embrace your fucked up childhood now adn shrug it off now that the victim years  on TV worked for you so well, or you'll lose all you've gained from that storyline you pitched us. The jig is up. She needs a good therapist to cut to the chase and explain to her that her dad is passed away. She can't prove anything to him anymore or earn his love by being the ball buster he was and top of your game, like he was at his. I am sure he was very proud of Bethenny when he went and  PS Bethenny you were enough for him all along. It was HIS stuff all along, not yours........................  To me her hustle is all to prove to her parents that she is lovable. Her dad's gone, and her Mom is still alive. As much as I run down Bethenny and I know that I do a lot, I feel that she and her mother can reconnect and coexist. If she can do that she can with Jason too and that benefits #1, Brynn.  She's gotta get out of her own way and see the forest thru the trees. 

[BBHN]

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The education alone, does not go away ever

Nor do the feelings, emotions, or trauma from childhood.

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One of my biggest gripes with her is that she brags she did it on her own and she doesn't have parents, when I assure you her name alone got her more opportunity than she realized and will ever admit to.  Larry King interviewed her and you should see his face change when he found out she was Bobby Frankel's daughter! 

Having to explain who her dad is isn't the same as having name recognition. It's possible 1) nobody recognized her last name enough to ask her and/or 2) she didn't go around name dropping who her dad was every chance she got.

Also, if you're into horses or horse racing, who would give a shot who her dad was. I mean, it isn't like she's George Clooney's daughter or something...

[Trooper York]

Alonzo that has to be the most perceptive comment I have ever seen about Bethenny Frankel and her family. Bravo. I salute you.

Who knew that dweeby guy from "Little House on the Prairie" was so smart!
 

[film noire]

3 hours ago, mostlylurking said:

Wasn't it Mae West who said "I've been rich and I've been poor--rich is better."

Agree with everything you've written, Mostly -- and I love Mae! -  a West primer for the NYC Housewives:

Sonja: "I've been in more laps than a napkin!"

Dorinda: "Marriage is a great institution...but I'm not ready for an institution."

Carole: "I never worry about diets. The only carrots that interest me are the number you get in a diamond."

Luann: "I've always had a weakness for foreign affairs."

Ramona: "She's the kind of girl who climbed the ladder of success wrong by wrong."

Bethenny: "I never loved another person the way I loved myself."

Edited June 12, 2017 by film noire

[Alonzo Mosely FBI]

35 minutes ago, BBHN said:

Nor do the feelings, emotions, or trauma from childhood.

Having to explain who her dad is isn't the same as having name recognition. It's possible 1) nobody recognized her last name enough to ask her and/or 2) she didn't go around name dropping who her dad was every chance she got.

Also, if you're into horses or horse racing, who would give a shot who her dad was. I mean, it isn't like she's George Clooney's daughter or something...

I completely disagree, feelings and trauma can heal. You can't take am education away from anyone who has worked hard at it. It's yours.

Ok. So she didn't name drop or explain who he was, for MANY people she doesn't  have to. That's my point. All those rail birds sitting with her at the track on RHONY were not sitting with her because of her. It's because of him.  To horse racing people he is huge. His influence, ability and racing program was very grand. 

35 minutes ago, Trooper York said:

Alonzo that has to be the most perceptive comment I have ever seen about Bethenny Frankel and her family. Bravo. I salute you.

Who knew that dweeby guy from "Little House on the Prairie" was so smart!
 

Haha NO I salute YOU! We can be BFBFFs. We are twinsies in this topic!

[mostlylurking]

6 minutes ago, film noire said:

West primer for the NYC Housewives:

Stop it I am in love with this post!!